ALPHA LEGION PRIMARIS!? HOW THEY HAVE EVERYTHING THEY NEED!

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10 ай бұрын

Hey everyone Rho here! Today we're discussing the Alpha Legion and how they could well be ready to produce Primaris....
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@Autechltd 10 ай бұрын

There is also a pragmatic reason. If every loyalist marine is becoming Primaris, with firstborn being phased out, it becomes a necessity to have the access to their own Primaris if they want to keep the infiltration going.

@trajanfidelis1532 10 ай бұрын

I wouldnt be surprised. The Alpha Legion always made a priority of having the latest most advanced wargear they could get their hands on. Hydra Dominatus.

@justinokraski3796 10 ай бұрын

Are we sure the Blood Ravens aren’t Alpha Legion

@TheLastRaven 10 ай бұрын

Mmm brothers. The time has come. We need to liberate more relics from the alpha legion!

@PhaeronServinus 10 ай бұрын

Dark angels got better gear than your hydra heads 😈

@TheLastRaven 10 ай бұрын

@@PhaeronServinus We would like to know your location. To ste.. assist you in your endeavors.

@Alpharius87 10 ай бұрын

Yes brother we do! For the Emperor!

@davidk6269 10 ай бұрын

I have to say that the more I read/learn about the Alpha Legion, the more they rise up my chart of favorite traitor legions.

@makaisonn7030 10 ай бұрын

They are up there. They get shit done. By any means.

@BloodyArchangelus 10 ай бұрын

They are not traitors

@davidk6269 10 ай бұрын

@@BloodyArchangelus That is open to interpretation. I think that the minority of Alpha Legionnaires were loyalists pretending to be traitors, whilst many others were unaware of the secret loyalist intentions and were therefore actual traitors. Over time, I suspect that the percentage of true traitor Alpha Legionnaires has grown. Just my own interpretation of the state of affairs.

@tflwulf69 10 ай бұрын

@@BloodyArchangelus They are, but then they might not be, but then they might be, then they do something not traitor and then do something that is. The fun about them is we just don't know if they are or are not and that varies from warband to warband. By far one of the most intriguing legions ever....but their definitely traitor...maybe..I think, perhaps a little bit traitor maybe a lot LOL.. Kinda like the Fallen Dark Angels not all of them are traitor and not all are still loyal.

@tflwulf69 10 ай бұрын

@@makaisonn7030 An accurate description of the Death Guard pre-nurgle attention also.

@Duppyman695 10 ай бұрын

Like their raid on 'The Raptor Project' which was sabotage, I' am sure they could secure the knowledge of creating Primaris of their own, If they haven't already.

@RSBurgener 10 ай бұрын

That's what this made me think of too. It's very interesting.

@gabriel0santiago 10 ай бұрын

In the end they will just discover that the magos was just Belisarius cawl using a mustache

@CaptainComatose 10 ай бұрын

😄

@lukkaredwolf3534 10 ай бұрын

Alpha Legion NEED Primaris Marines to continue their ability of espionage. First borne will only be valid for a limited time from here-on, so Alpha Legion will realize that THEY need Primaris, even more than any traitor legion does.

@GaIvatr0n 10 ай бұрын

You forget that they are already the tallest space marines, much bigger than regular ones already.

@minhducnguyen9276 10 ай бұрын

@@GaIvatr0nAll space marines have a regular medical check. A simple scan would blow their cover too easily as they'd lack the additional implants. Unless they already hacked the scanner to make it show scan results of normal primaris.

@GaIvatr0n 10 ай бұрын

Ah I seee!@@minhducnguyen9276

@RMCbreezy 10 ай бұрын

@@GaIvatr0nive never heard the alpha legion were taller. Sauce or its head canon

@JKRavenBlood 10 ай бұрын

@@RMCbreezytheir Primarchs where near able to hide among them, also their twin-primarchs weren't the tallest of primarchs.

@MrKakemann1 10 ай бұрын

I think it's weird no one from Alpha legion has crossed the rubicon when they have been deep undercover in one of the numerous loyal chapters.

@Mr._Galaxywide 10 ай бұрын

None have been announced, after all the war bands and sleeper cells act mostly independent so odds are there is at least 1 Primaris Apha legionnaire.

@henryviiifake8244 10 ай бұрын

None? Or none _that we know of?_ 😏 #HydraDominatus

@MrKakemann1 10 ай бұрын

@@henryviiifake8244 My thoughts exactly 😁

@sydisticsandman 9 ай бұрын

Laughs in HRYDRA DOMINATUS 😂

@Yutyrant95 10 ай бұрын

I've honestly been a fan of the Hydra ever since I read "Legion". I never knew them as traitors before I dove into the lore (starting with Horus Rising). So to me, the Hydra will always be double agents and my favorite Astartes faction

@arespaulson414 10 ай бұрын

They're loyal, if even they don't know it.

@Yutyrant95 10 ай бұрын

@@arespaulson414 100%

@FanimusMaximus 10 ай бұрын

Alpharius: “Finally some regular Marine armor I can actually fit decently in”

@dagdamor1 10 ай бұрын

I'd be genuinely surprised if they didn't have them already. Belisarius was already openly floating the idea of Traitor Legion lineage Primaris to Roboute, and ten millennia is a very long time for an Archmagos that important and that open-minded to NOT be reached out to by the Sons of Alpharius and Omegon...

@12gagebastis 10 ай бұрын

doesnt he have all the gene seed from the primarchs and subsequent chapters?

@sydisticsandman 9 ай бұрын

@@12gagebastisyes

@TK199999 10 ай бұрын

Rho we still have some fluff that suggests that Cawl didn't improve on anything. But that he took the final enhancements originally meant for the Astartes program. That were abandoned after the Black Carapace debacle almost ended the project before it started. That the EoM decided that the Astartes were good enough and ordered further work on the other enhancements stopped. So all Cawl's did was spend 10,000 years attempting to finishing Amar Astarte's final enchantments for the Astartes project. Meaning the main reason no one improved on the Space Marines is no one could match Amar Astarte's genius. Also we already have entire Indomius fleet full of Primaris fall to Chaos in the form of the Murder Curse. With all that said I do love the Iron Warriors first look at Primaris. They were in Imperial Fist yellow and they immediately went to attack them. The Black Legion and Alpha Legion marines with them said to wait and let them figure out what's going on with these new Imperials. The Iron Warriors were literally like, 'But, but Imperial Fists! We smash Imperial Fists! Its all we live for anymore.' But I do wonder why the Hydra has 3 heads when there were only two Primarchs of the Alpha Legion, what does the Third Head Symbolize?

@barrycabbageM34 10 ай бұрын

I always took the third head to symbolise the rest of the Legion, kill one of the two Primars and some regular blue boi will just step up calling himself Alpharius.

@Gm-ce5kg 8 ай бұрын

its been said the third is the legion itself, but its the alpha legion so it could be anything, the legion could have 0 primarchs, 3 heads could be innacurate, there could be 3 or more primarchs because cloning those is a thing and more options

@Irishman1861 10 ай бұрын

Not suprising at all to me at least i wouldnt be suprised if the Legion already had sleeper agents in Primaris chapters mainly due to the fact that they have remained for the most part across the legion relatively uncorrupted Hydra Dominatus

@Black_Blow_Fly 10 ай бұрын

Primaris geneseed cannot be corrupted. There’s another story the Iron Drakes take out a full Alpha Legion cell.

@Dasmaster1 10 ай бұрын

I am of the opinion that the traitors should not get primaris. But also that they should not be held as inferior still. It would be a decent way of balancing out the more experienced traitor as well as their mutations and gifts to an imperium that has a higher baseline. It pushes the traitors to reach for more desperate solutions and rely more heavily on their own power. The end result would be to further make the two factions different from each other in their own way that makes sense within the story.

@saltedllama2759 10 ай бұрын

In lore, GW's hired writers have been further separating the Traitor and Loyalist legions. I mean, 10,000 years have gone by. It doesn't make sense to still have it be regular marines vs. spikey marines. Most of the traitor legionnaires (from the OGG times) don't even remember who they were before, and have become so "gifted" that they have ascended to part demon champions, or descended into just spawn. Alpha Legion were among the first to encounter the Primaris and gave lengthy descriptions about it being heretical, but also...interesting. Fabius and the Emperor's Children, in their endless pursuit of decadent perfection, have obviously wanted to get their hands on the Primaris.

@SilenTHerO78614 10 ай бұрын

Wellll you forget, odds are eventually you are going to have primaris marines who will fall to chaos. As such its only a matter of time before a warband gets their hands on primaris Genesee although finding a traitor primaris apothecary might take longer for the 2 new organs. Not like this will affect the Thousand Sons or Death Guard much, but smaller bands like the Night Lord's are definitely slowly dying out.

@mistertaz94 10 ай бұрын

Except not all traitors are Chaos aligned. Alpha Legion for example more often than not hate Chaos pretty adamantly and are neither Imperial nor Chaos.

@guilliman1990 10 ай бұрын

it will happen 100%@@SilenTHerO78614

@Dasmaster1 10 ай бұрын

@@SilenTHerO78614 I got nothing against chaos getting a a certain amount of primaris but I think that converting most, if not all of them over to primaris like what is happening with the loyalists is a complete waste both in the game and lorewise.

@madmerlinsart 10 ай бұрын

I think out of all the traitor legions the Alpha Legion are the perfect ones to be the first to have Primaris Legionaires. It's in their nature to be inquisitive and learn everything they can about a given enemy. True Fabius might be the mad scientist of the traitor forces, but he's very much focused on his own thing, where as the Alpha Legion will gladly go the extra mile to get their results.

@Grimpo96 10 ай бұрын

Always love hearing anything about the Alpha Legion, Hydra Dominatus.

@scrotusmaximus3043 10 ай бұрын

The first Primaris were probably Apharious and Omegon

@mikesnyder3317 10 ай бұрын

Nah. They deff primarks.

@johnd2058 10 ай бұрын

...and if anyone can overcome the loyalty preprogramming, it's the XX.

@henri6265 10 ай бұрын

Would be amusing if he accidentally copied the loyalty to Cawl and Guilliman.

@gundamjack24 10 ай бұрын

That IS the plan. - alpha legion

@cody1570 10 ай бұрын

Easily the most badass chapter that nobody knows about. Even the darkangels dont know what they do and neither does their own legion

@BearCavalryWasTaken 10 ай бұрын

I’ll have to return to this video, just bought renegades harrowmaster and haven’t finished it yet

@Icspiders247 10 ай бұрын

They've already got the Raptors schematics so unless it was squirreled away they have equivalents.

@alecryan5962 10 ай бұрын

I think the main problem with the Alpha legion implementing the primaris would, ironically, be the difference in size. Alpha legionaries are all supposed to be identical to their brothers when armored, so the legion would likely need to stockpile resources and then make a mass-crossing of the rubicon primaris.

@shyysteebleedem 10 ай бұрын

You’re assuming they don’t already have sleeper agents in all legions already. And multiple. Even the Dark Angels got infiltrated, think about it. 10,000 years and not a single soldier from The Alpha legion noticed? I highly doubt it. If anything they were the first to get the upgrade.

@p_serdiuk 10 ай бұрын

They are not supposed to always be identical. Only when it is important.

@thatotherguy8138 10 ай бұрын

Would the Alpha Legion create their own Primaris first... or try it with another Traitor legion first? Tricking the World Eaters, or negotiating with the Iron Warriors, for instance? In any case, it's Interesting to think of the Alpha Legion being in control of the destiny of Primaris Marines in the Traitor Legions. Not good, not bad, just interesting.

@thehappynurgling3965 9 ай бұрын

I'd say that they will recruit them like they did with solomon or like they did in "the brightest and the best", Hypnoindocrtinate potential recruits for a loyal chapter so that you can aktivate them later and pick them up to serve the Legion

@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 10 ай бұрын

It took Cawl, the magic plot warp squirrel, 10 millennia to create the Primaris. Even if they have the advantage of studying some captured ones and warp spaghetti it would extremely lame if some DarK Mechanicus magos could that easily copy Cawl's work and create Chaos Primaris.

@Orannis01 10 ай бұрын

Once you have the geneseed its self-sustaining. You can grow geneseed into any organ for a Space Marine, so taking Primaris geneseed will allow you to make the missing organs for Chaos Space Marines.

@gundam116 10 ай бұрын

It took him 10000years to make space marines 1foot taller…

@somebody4399 10 ай бұрын

never underestimate magic Squirrels

@JABelms 10 ай бұрын

Who said that the Alpha Legion got it from the Dark Mechanicum? That would be the most un-alpharius thing to do.

@kelceydane5874 10 ай бұрын

Alpha legion might be the first to run new recruits as primaris, but some primaris have already fallen to chaos I believe, so other legions could have them.

@greatamazinga 10 ай бұрын

Knowing is half the battle. The other half is extreme violence!!

@pentacosttb2565 10 ай бұрын

Makes sense. Loyalists getting Primaris isn't exactly weird is it?

@DrYodarlz 10 ай бұрын

It would be such a shock if my Primaris only chapter the Dust Vipers, with a SOF oriented 8th company, “The Third Fang”, happened to have a unknown linage despite being Primaris…

@StevDoesBigJumps 10 ай бұрын

Something tells me the alpha legionnaires won't be willing to share the primaris tech with the chaos coalition.

@TalkingBeard 10 ай бұрын

Only started watching your content recently despite being subscribed for awhile now, and absolutely loving all the content you put out. Thank you for your work and looking forward to all your content in the future

@spicyicecream3781 10 ай бұрын

If only cawl focused on making Bolter rifles that a guardsman can use, mass produce them, its check mate.

@BlastastiC 10 ай бұрын

"What imperial technology do you have access to?" Alpha Legion: "Yes"

@crashingatom6755 10 ай бұрын

When Roboute is all alone and slides out of his Armor of Fate: he’s Omegon.

@PhynixDS 10 ай бұрын

The Alpha legion would be the new power players of the 41st millennium, Im sure that Huron would see this as opportunity to improve upon his own status and maybe rival Abbadon for supremacy as warmaster, just my take on it.

@tomtricity 10 ай бұрын

They have to... Its going to be really hard to infiltrate other loyalist legions as a first born with all of them moving to Primaris.

@ivanivanovic5586 10 ай бұрын

For once I have read the novel before viewing video. Regarding it, there's a few elements in it that I really liked - aside being a good alpha legion book, it also gives shoutout to both shroud of night and sons of the hydra (by mentioning both leaders and their warbands from them and reasons they didn't answer the call for legion gathering (redacted were "missing" while unsung told them to f off). Furthermore, there's this hilarious segment/rant about fabius bile(been called charlatan and incompetent) while examining a primaris' corpse brought by Solomon. And to top it all off, this Solomon is in a way Alpha Legion's answer to Decimus of the Night Lords(meaning they both seek to unite respective legion if able). As for the topic at hand, we shouldn't forget that they also got the raptor project data from raven guard as well (will any of it come to fruition, that's a whole different pair of shoes, so to speak). Edit to add: while I'll admit Mike Brooks knows his stuff and how to write it, I've heard that he might be sus (adb/cs goto levels of sus, or close to).

@zrrion6the6insect6 10 ай бұрын

from my loose (and speculative) understanding, the raptor project was an attempt to take the idea of quick augmentation that created the thunder warriors and apply that to the astarties blueprint so that they could be made faster. The way thunder warriors worked was you took a full grown dude and quickly augmenting them, which wasn't super stable. So the astarties take more time to make and are more stable as a result. Presumably the raptor project would be more selective than with the TWs and at least some of the slow groundwork would still be done so that you would be jumping from an aspirant who was already partway along their ascension anyway and would be more able to withstand such a big upgrade than a normal person. So the raptor project was an attempt to take an quick solution and adapt it's processes to the astarties without introducing the instability of the thunder warriors and the alpha legion's sabotage introduced more instability than the TWs and that's why the marines made this way were so messed up. All that goes to say that even if the alpha legion has the unmolested data from the raptor project, and assuming it would actually work, I think the best they could do with it is make their recruitment process faster. (even more speculation here than the above speculation) the rubicon primaris is just the idea of the raptor project but applied to firstborn, you take a transhuman who is resilient enough to survive the upgrade process and quickly bootstrap them into a primaris. Caul wasn't really doing a whole lot of new work here, just adapting existing methods and tech to work more stably, which he was able to do because unlike Corvus with the raptors or the emperor with the astarties he wasn't under any time limit. The primaris then would just be a mix of thunder warrior augmentation with the slower astarties method of augmentation applied to stabilize it, the sinew coils (which I feel like caul either reused from the false astarties upgrade process that gave folks like cor pharon and luther their astarties status even though they were too old or entirely invented himself as this one especially feels the most like something the mechanicus would do), and then refined the processes of the raptor project to allow for these new enhancements to be applied to existing marines. I don't really have any citable lore to back this speculation up, but it all seems reasonable enough and makes the task of improving on the emperor's work more of a team effort even if the end product has caul's name on it. For the alpha legion to get primaris out of the raptor project they'd need to do a lot more work to go from that to primaris and I don't think they have the information needed to actually get there. Maybe if they captured enough primaris to reverse engineer it, or infiltrated a chapter to see how the sausage was made they might be able to do it though.

@ivanivanovic5586 10 ай бұрын

@@zrrion6the6insect6 Now that was both interesting read and speculation, worth a video all onto itself. Some believe that raptor project was a prototype of primaris, and that 13th founding might have been cawl's doing too(to iron out the kinks), tho they are speculations at best too. Speaking of coils, iirc from Spear of the Emperor, when mc, amadeus, was undergoing rubicon, Ducarius(druid of emperor's spears, in his role as apothecary) had to thread the sinew coils into amadeus' muscles(no detail to what extent and for which muscles they had to be threaded into). Edit to add: they did infiltrate a chapter in the harrowmaster(think it was crimson consuls, that they wiped out save one, who enters an inquisitor's service, only to reveal himself as alpha legion when Solomon of all ppl utters the trigger word), so getting one of theirs primarisified is a possibility.

@przemysek2511 10 ай бұрын

Alpha legion moving up in the world, the more love they get the more hype i am then again their best part is the whole secret status.

@RSBurgener 10 ай бұрын

It makes me think of the Cold War and the Soviet KGB capturing western technology and learning to copy it. The AK47, the H-Bomb, and tons and tons of cameras came out of that. The Alpha Legion and the Primaris just makes sense, it's very clever.

@the36lessons11 10 ай бұрын

Creating Primaris? Possibly, but it would be much easier and up the Alpha Legion's alley to just capture and hypno-indoctrinate existing Primaris to be their eyes and ears or sleepers ready to be activated at their whim. I would think it would be a big risk of being detected for any existing Alpha Legion to infiltrate and cross the Rubicon within other extant Loyalist legions. This is just my two cents on the matter, I'm open to it either way.

@MandoSki464 10 ай бұрын

I hope we get more novels following the unsung and their journey at the end of shroud of night which is an absolute amazing novel.

@MrAbraxus666 10 ай бұрын

They might have the bodies showing them the new organs and upgrades. But they don't have the Sangprimus Portum, which is pretty much essential to make Primaris with the fact that the genetic material is more potent than what's available. (PS - I know they have the Raven Guard thing - I can't mind the name).

@yerauldda6955 10 ай бұрын

It would be interesting if we'd see any more of the pure primarch gene data that the alpha legion managed to retain by fooling horus tie in to their possible primaris marines being a thing in 40k

@robertkb64 10 ай бұрын

Can’t reinforce that everyone should read Shroud of Night enough. Highlights: 1) Emperor’s Children being gross 2) Alpharius putting them in their place 3) jokes about how their leader is named Alpharius 4) meta-jokes about the leader being named Alpharius (“Aren’t they all?”) 5) logistics of planetfall during a planetary siege 6) World Eaters being World Eaters 7) Mechanicus being Mechanicus (the stupid version, not the funny version) 8) a replacement Astronomicon 9) Celestine vs Kharn! 10) Celestine backing the Alpha Legion over the Imperium Drawbacks: A) No audiobook B) No sequel yet Apparently GW hired Erebus to write the sequel, and Kor Phaeron to perform the audiobook, because they’re filthy filthy traitors (GW or EC? But I repeat myself).

@salvatoreperagine1707 10 ай бұрын

Keeping all of what I have heard in mind - I must ask one burning question . Is there any chance in the near future that the Alpha Legion might change sides and seek redemption ? Also what of the rumor that Omegron is Cypher ?

@theophrastusbombastus1359 10 ай бұрын

I always thought it common knowledge that they were loyal to both sides? Alpharius & Omegon leading a side, each side fighting for either Imperium or Chaos

@Ronfost89 10 ай бұрын

The Omegon is Cypher thing is next to impossible at this point. Guilliman 100% would have noticed when they met since it has been shown that Primarchs can pretty much sense each other. Hell Russ and Dorn both sense Alpharius or Omegon which ever one was actually there at the time. I can't remember which book it is with Leman but it happens when the Alpha Legion attacks the Space Wolves and it happens with Dorn in Praetorian of Dorn.

@TheExostranger. 9 ай бұрын

Im currently working on deathwatch/alpha legion army so this is nice to know

@halfdanasatru9251 10 ай бұрын

Great Book 👌🏻 Just finished it . And yes , It would make , perfect Sense , If the Chaos Marines Go Primaris

@Joni_Tarvainen 10 ай бұрын

This could be way to make Alpha Legion a big player on the grand scheme of things. I'd love if they became a level of threat Black Legion is, but without a clear goal in mind. I'm still cautious when saying Alpha is a traitor Legion as we reeeally can't know Omegon's thinking process as he was pretty much just left to lead them after Alpharius died. Either way, Hydra Dominatus!

@manhunter433 10 ай бұрын

I would think even Roboute would've foreseen this. Regardless of gene seed the Adeptus Astartes can fall, it's just a matter of what pushes them over the edge. More surprised we haven't heard of any all Primaris Marine Chapters going rogue.

@ilyana1126 9 ай бұрын

I’m actually really excited about this

@mulletking 10 ай бұрын

Alpha's getting their hands on Primaris tech makes sense. Though I'm in the camp of Chaos not getting Primaris. Rather they get more chaos juiced

@mrbreck1 10 ай бұрын

My favorite primarch burn took place between the khan and fulgrim iirc. To paraphrase "I hear you do strange things to your ships" Khan replies "I hear you do strange things to your marines." They were speaking of the khans modifications to increase his vessels speed and agility and the creation of the noise marines by the emperors children. The astartes have a long history of being tinkered with as that conversation came about before the horus heresy officially kicked off.

@Wheres_the_money_lebowski 10 ай бұрын

I'm sure Fabulous Bill has had a chance to look at a few primaris by now, he could probably do something similar but different if he wanted to.

@huwtindall7096 10 ай бұрын

Great thing about the Alpha Legion is they are the only traitor legion who are more or less sane so you can have proper dialogue with them. Black Legion next but the further from the heresy and original marines they get they are essentially just mental chaos undivided.

@austinpalmer898 3 күн бұрын

Alpha legion my favorite so definitely hope they get first but honestly I could see them making primaris warband that doesn't mimic alpha legion but another legion so they can infiltrate more secretly like have a silver Templar looking warband that starts working for inquisition and they pull strings from there.

@prst99 9 ай бұрын

I like how alpha legion have secret languages and codes hidden within normal banter.

@darthbloodborn 10 ай бұрын

I read harrowmaster recently and it was really good😊

@RandomPlacebo 10 ай бұрын

I could see the alpha legion forgiving Fabius bile solely to get things up and running and gain the upper hand on the traitor legions

@de-landen885 10 ай бұрын

When I made an "Alpha Legion" Primaris army, I just said indoctrinated children were selected by an Loyalist chapter and slowly overtook the non indoctrinated members

@CaptainComatose 10 ай бұрын

Yeah, it even must not be a whole army, but I also thought that hypno-indoctrinated children that would be selected to become Astartes would be a way for the Alpha Legion

@krimzonstriker7534 9 ай бұрын

I mean it isn't surprising from the Alpha Legion at least, they're among the most practical Legions on both sides and they've always since the Great Crusade thought about how to gain an advantage or upper hand, especially in terms of technology and in open warfare operated very much like the Iron Hands. Precise, Coordinate Tactical strikes, with a focus on speed and overwhelming firepower with the latest weaponry.

@michaelhowell2326 10 ай бұрын

The most strangest part of the story is the Alpha Legion think that the guardsman meant to say Black instead of Silver. I mean, they're sorta opposites.

@ricci8497 10 ай бұрын

Well given the events in the Horus Heresy and what the Alpha Legion did when Corax ran to Terra and begged his father for help to re-build his legion they've had the knowledge for 10,000 years as I doubt the dark Mechaniums addition would have been left out as they knew what they did.

@JuanSanchez-rv9xy 10 ай бұрын

I just assumed the Alpha Legion kept the upgrades to themselves without spreading the knowledge.

@ricci8497 10 ай бұрын

@@JuanSanchez-rv9xy exactly given how they like secrets within secrets within secrets much like the Dark Angels

@rosskwolfe 10 ай бұрын

Im still waiting for the Dark Mechanicum to make abhuman astartes.

@browniechann88blackie55 10 ай бұрын

Im pretty positive fabius bile has isued capture at all cost so he can make his own

@ColCoal 10 ай бұрын

It is a trick. The alpha legion primaris are just two firstborns stacked together in power armor with a trench coat to finish the disguise.

@Myztek26 10 ай бұрын

It sounds like 40k is about to get real spicy again. It makes sense the alpha legion is the first to really try to make primaris.

@XHobbiesPrime 10 ай бұрын

This is the same writer of Alpharius: Head of the Hydra which was a magnificent novel.

@franciszekkowar3962 10 ай бұрын

If there are enough Chaos Players out there then i imagine there would not like to left out the loop to long , so of course the market will make that specific change come about. After all it is an incredible flexible universe.

@edwright6994 10 ай бұрын

Reminds me of how the alpha legion had stolen the proto type MKVI armour plans and developed their won version during the great crusade.

@kensheets9714 10 ай бұрын

OK! my thoughts are has anyone craw included ever gave the thought about primaris being captured or dead bodies being taken and added a fail safe into the primaris?

@bryanmahnke805 10 ай бұрын

Since the Arks of Omen, aren't there already primaris CSM? If there were important enough apothecaries in the group that got corrupted, they could be making more already

@grayrook8637 10 ай бұрын

Also lest we forget in the heresy, Corvus received basically the same data Kawl worked with to try and rebuild his legion. Until the alpha legion nicked it and then perhaps even Alpharius got a false copy so Omegon might still have that vital data. Plus Alpha Legion gene seed it stable enough to handle all this.

@MrFallenone 10 ай бұрын

Now I wonder if the Primaris marines could resist the flesh change of the thousand sons.

@robertbourlet4841 9 ай бұрын

I thought the emperors design of space marine was technically improved with the improved raven guard they attempted after istvan ?

@MJRSA9404 10 ай бұрын

Wolf Lord's vids are best watched at 1.25 speed

@Yutyrant95 10 ай бұрын

My Primaris army is already Alpha Legion, so this is just icing

@mickeysmemories581 10 ай бұрын

I done a alpha legion chapter for my 40k amry called the sons of the hydra

@LoydeReed 10 ай бұрын

My unironic hot take is that every primaris marine from Cawl's basement is an Alpha Legion operative, and Big Bobby G himself is Alpharius and/or Omegon. I'm just saying, he WAS the last one to see, one, both, or neither of them alive, and ordered the body burned and no one was allowed to see it.

@williamscottshelton945 10 ай бұрын

of course they can, after all they are a loyal/traitor legion who fought for the Emporer/horus! and since then keeping the imperium safe/destroying it!

@dww6 10 ай бұрын

Crawl is a member of the alpha legion. Even if he isn't (and they aren't) traitors I could see him copying himself so that he can play both sides for the sake of progress.

@mnk9073 8 ай бұрын

Given how most Primaris are Ultra Marines, and how most Ultra Marines recruits are former Tempestus Scions of the _55th Alphic Hydras_ regiment I'd say the _Alpha Legion_ already got all the Primaris they'd ever need...

@Fenndrakon 10 ай бұрын

I am Primarius

@Purifactor 10 ай бұрын

Alpha legion are already Primaris prototypes or something similar. Being bigger than other astartes and having their gene seed secrete implies they are unique. Also.. the name, Alpha, first.. prime, first. The legion meant to protect the empire no matter what.. the sword in the dark. Stands to reason they are different, like custodies or primaris and may be primaris entirely even

@Drew_Thompson 10 ай бұрын

Raptor Primaris incoming.

@hectormalverde9817 10 ай бұрын

What if cawl, always wanted the traitor legions to get the primaris, so he could use the old order 66. To win in the end

@MrFallenone 10 ай бұрын

Well of course. How else would they infiltrate the primaris chapters :) Hydra Dominatus.

@harambememorialpage 10 ай бұрын

I don’t think The Alpha Legion would share them. Not to mention the primaris are incorruptible, so the chaos gods would be disturbed by it.

@CGossRunnn 10 ай бұрын

The Alpha Legion stole the Emperor's information on the Astartes project from the Raven Guard during the Heresy and kept the unaltered data for themselves, so the Alpha Legion being the first to have Primaris marines should be expected

@blackknight2323 10 ай бұрын

I’m actually running a loyalist Alpha Legion that uses the Primaris Marines. I can’t wait to throw them down on the table.

@NelsonBoy2734 10 ай бұрын

New toys for the most enigmatic legion. Death to the false emperor!

@arespaulson414 10 ай бұрын

One thing. Alpha Legionnaires and their Primarch(s) are almost identically sized (hence, I am Alpharius) Primaris are larger then first bornes. If the Alpha Legion does field Primaris, they will likely be taller than their own Primarch.

@vashani 8 ай бұрын

But but but the Alpha Legion are loyalists!

@Arcangel61286 10 ай бұрын

What if them gaining primaris is the jumping off point to finally answer the question of who is a traitor in the legion. Like all the Alpha legion that cross the Rubicon are confirmed loyal while those that are chaos tainted can’t. Then you get a schism in the legion and maybe even the reappearance of the surviving primarch

@WeWillAlwaysHaveVALIS 10 ай бұрын

Just when you thought that modern 40K lore couldn't get any stupider...

@ethrsag735 10 ай бұрын

I called it from the beginning and I'll say it again; AL should have them or be the ones that provided Cawl with the tech yo make them because they still have the materials to from the Raptor Project to make Astartes even better than Primaris.

@cameochris 10 ай бұрын

If they get fabulous Bill to make them some as it won't be hard he cloned Primarchs they will be the biggest power players in Chaos

@richarddomzalski4232 10 ай бұрын

As always with the Alpha legion I get a headache. This thought came to me. What if this was the Emperors way of having Primaris marines infiltrate the legion. I would be surprised if Cawl didnt put some sort of genertic trap for when chaos got ahold of one of his creations. I could be overthinking this and probably am. Alpharious is loyalist so this would be an interesting way to get him some help. I love the Alpha Legion and wind up going down theory paths that wind up giving me headache's. God I love 40k.

@djchappell1726 10 ай бұрын

The Alpha, just as the Emperor's Dark Angels, will keep these secrets to themselves. The Primaris are a grand weapon for the Imperium, but also a grand entryway for the Hydra. I will assume for now that Cawl and Gulliman are not ensuring that EVERY Imperial foothold has a completed list of Primarius chapters to prevent such espionage. THAT will be one of jobs left to El Johnson.

@alphariusomegon6710 9 ай бұрын

Totally

@emperor002002 10 ай бұрын

They already had the information of the Raptor project that the Emperor gave Corax. Soo 🤷🏿‍♂️ Hydra Dominatus.

@alexbrowne9566 10 ай бұрын

Well if both sides get primaris we're back to stage 1 may aswell not have bothered lmao. Cawl should have coded for some kind of rapid degeneration upon death