AlphaZero's bishop pair proves too difficult for Stockfish

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6 жыл бұрын

When AlphaZero, playing black in this game, encounters the Ruy Lopez, it certainly seems to be in favor of the Berlin Defense. Stockfish injects a minor piece imbalance on move 5. How would AlphaZero play with the bishop pair? Stockfish, as early as move 13, opts for a sacrifice that not only nets two pawns, but also fractures AlphaZero's queenside structure. An important strategy to be mindful of when you have a material plus is that you can return it in exchange for some positional element.
PGN:
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. d3 Bc5 5. Bxc6 dxc6 6. 0-0 Nd7 7. Nbd2 0-0 8. Qe1 f6 9. Nc4 Rf7 10. a4 Bf8 11. Kh1 Nc5 12. a5 Ne6 13. Ncxe5 fxe5 14. Nxe5 Rf6 15. Ng4 Rf7 16. Ne5 Re7 17. a6 c5 18. f4 Qe8 19. axb7 Bxb7 20. Qa5 Nd4 21. Qc3 Re6 22. Be3 Rb6 23. Nc4 Rb4 24. b3 a5 25. Rxa5 Rxa5 26. Nxa5 Ba6 27. Bxd4 Rxd4 28. Nc4 Rd8 29. g3 h6 30. Qa5 Bc8 31. Qxc7 Bh3 32. Rg1 Rd7 33. Qe5 Qxe5 34. Nxe5 Ra7 35. Nc4 g5 36. Rc1 Bg7 37. Ne5 Ra8 38. Nf3 Bb2 39. Rb1 Bc3 40. Ng1 Bd7 41. Ne2 Bd2 42. Rd1 Be3 43. Kg2 Bg4 44. Re1 Bd2 45. Rf1 Ra2 46. h3 Bxe2 47. Rf2 Bxf4 48. Rxe2 Be5 49. Rf2 Kg7 50. g4 Bd4 51. Re2 Kf6 52. e5+ Bxe5 53. Kf3 Ra1 54. Rf2 Re1 55. Kg2+ Bf4 56. c3 Rc1 57. d4 Rxc3 58. dxc5 Rxc5 59. b4 Rc3 60. h4 Ke5 61. hxg5 hxg5 62. Re2+ Kf6 63. Kf2 Be5 64. Ra2 Rc4 65. Ra6+ Ke7 66. Ra5 Ke6 67. Ra6+ Bd6
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@runhomie1013
@runhomie1013 6 жыл бұрын
Stockfish disliked this video
@dolorconsumer9473
@dolorconsumer9473 6 жыл бұрын
Alpha Zero:" Again , too weak too slow . "
@kellyrants7673
@kellyrants7673 6 жыл бұрын
and he created 51 bots to do so.
@Lookoutpacks
@Lookoutpacks 6 жыл бұрын
I bet so
@smogblazer4509
@smogblazer4509 6 жыл бұрын
Kelly Rants stockfishes
@changbohu
@changbohu 4 жыл бұрын
xD
@fudorsprite7370
@fudorsprite7370 6 жыл бұрын
Jerry, I have been watching your videos for years now and I still feel that you are one of, if not THE best instructor in regards to taking complex seemingly-incomprehensible moves and positions, and explaining the logic behind them, making them understandable to amateurs. You're seriously like the 3Blue1Brown of Chess. I'm loving this series in particular and am always proud to sport my ChessNetwork shirt ☺️
@ChessNetwork
@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын
Ha! Thank you for that Fudor. That shirt must be fading by now. :)
@ayapotato7429
@ayapotato7429 6 жыл бұрын
Hey to a fellow 3Blue1Brown fan!
@economicsmadeeasy5266
@economicsmadeeasy5266 6 жыл бұрын
3 blue 1 brown is great as well
@bryanwan6169
@bryanwan6169 6 жыл бұрын
I really love these alphazero "commentaries" at the end of these videos.
@MrDylanHole
@MrDylanHole 6 жыл бұрын
i really don't
@lukapodvrsnik9547
@lukapodvrsnik9547 6 жыл бұрын
i think it is stupid
@stephenyarrington5036
@stephenyarrington5036 6 жыл бұрын
wow you guys are quite the wet blanket
@SedoKai
@SedoKai 6 жыл бұрын
It presents a really clichéd, false characterization of AlphaZero and demonizes it in an 80's Skynet kind of way. He's making AZ out to say "haha, you fool! you play so foolishly!" But you have to remember that AlphaZero is the hero in the minds of lots of people, so it makes sense that we're irritated by it or find it distasteful. That aside, Jerry is the best chess youtuber by far, imo, and it's not a particularly intrusive element, so I can just stop the video before that part starts and continue to enjoy Jerry's content. :D
@denisdemonte15
@denisdemonte15 5 жыл бұрын
lol me too
@umchoyka
@umchoyka 6 жыл бұрын
I've been loving this series. I wish they released more of the games for analysts like yourself to present!
@ChessNetwork
@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын
I'm definitely interested in seeing the other 90 games.
@mrkhoi3
@mrkhoi3 6 жыл бұрын
ChessNetwork there also other 1200 games played with 12 differents opening, 100 each. Hope thay release it in the next few months after the reviewed paper come out.
@yvesm.8855
@yvesm.8855 6 жыл бұрын
ChessNetwork I'm really much more interested even in seeing A0 self-played games. They are gonna be a true revelation!
@Mikey-gs1dx
@Mikey-gs1dx 6 жыл бұрын
the preprint is just to get questions so they can be thorough and revise the paper if needed. I'm sure if there is enough pressure, they'll release the rest.
@Benzcrimsonitacilunarnebula
@Benzcrimsonitacilunarnebula 3 жыл бұрын
@@mrkhoi3 are they released yet.:p.
@eshneto
@eshneto 6 жыл бұрын
Best analysis of this game I've seen so far.
@Lasselucidora
@Lasselucidora 6 жыл бұрын
I saw Stockfish in the corner of a bar. Empty bottle of Jack Daniels in front of him. So I sold him some pills.
@johnadams2063
@johnadams2063 4 жыл бұрын
U got any pills left,?
@toilaconhaisam3037
@toilaconhaisam3037 4 жыл бұрын
*stuck fish
@DigitalHaze65536
@DigitalHaze65536 3 жыл бұрын
Stockfish 12 is the current champ, having have beaten AlphaZero's protégé, Leela Chess Zero very decisively. I think he owns the bar now : )
@xyon9090
@xyon9090 3 жыл бұрын
@@DigitalHaze65536 we need a rematch between Alpha and Stockfish
@JohnBr0
@JohnBr0 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for bringing these games to us in such an understandable, fun and well constructed format.
@ChessNetwork
@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you John.
@BeerdyBruceLeeCentral
@BeerdyBruceLeeCentral 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jerry for these DeepMind games. I insta-click every time I see AlphaZero playing.
@dominiktristian3139
@dominiktristian3139 3 жыл бұрын
i guess it is quite off topic but does anyone know a good website to stream newly released movies online?
@edwinzaid810
@edwinzaid810 3 жыл бұрын
@Dominik Tristian i would suggest flixzone. You can find it by googling :)
@judsonethan2648
@judsonethan2648 3 жыл бұрын
@Edwin Zaid yup, I have been using instaflixxer for years myself :D
@patricks.8506
@patricks.8506 6 жыл бұрын
What suprises me the most about AlphaZero is what I read about its learning approach from the published paper. As deterministic as chess may seem (each move cause an immediate change in position), AlphaZero is using moveprobabiltiies (!) and analyses the outcome through Monte-Carlo-Simulations. Those simulations evaluate a large number of "random experiments" (!) to find the true value (here the best move). In contrast to Stockfisch's alpha-beta-search ( basically a deterministic "if-then" search algorithm to find the best move under the assumption that both players to "play optimal"), AlphaZeros approach is suprisingly much more accurate by following the law of large numbers and demonstrating that a little bit of randomness in a game like chess leads to superior performance. Simply Stunning. Thank you Jerry, for sharing and analysing those games. The effort you put into the analysis and the passion for the game is clearly noticable in every video. Keep it up!
@porovaara
@porovaara 6 жыл бұрын
this is true for the stock market as well.
@DiMono
@DiMono 6 жыл бұрын
It might be coincidence, but ever since I started watching your videos on AlphaZero my chess has apparently improved significantly. It's like you know what you're talking about or something.
@ChessNetwork
@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын
Think so? :)
@blugaledoh2669
@blugaledoh2669 6 жыл бұрын
TheDiMono Your subconscious are learning and analysing.
@Jarretman
@Jarretman 6 жыл бұрын
Jerry I'm loving the ending commentary from the robot in these videos! Keep it up man; great work!
@TWPO
@TWPO 6 жыл бұрын
Playing for a draw as white is almost as bad of a crime as not liking a Chess Network upload! You're tremendous, Jerry!
@drammar1991
@drammar1991 6 жыл бұрын
:D :D
@shadowslave4948
@shadowslave4948 6 жыл бұрын
Well he's analyzing historical games. Keyword analyzing. So the outcome has already been determined. We don't care whether that person won or lost mostly. Why did that person win or lose? That's something you look at when analyzing a game. It's not strictly an entertainment video. Even the description is categorized as Education.
@petergreen5337
@petergreen5337 Жыл бұрын
HAHAHA brilliant.
@andyisyoda
@andyisyoda 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent analysis. Thanks.
@josetedesco440
@josetedesco440 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome. I was like "It would be nice to watch a new video from Jerry before going to sleep" and here it is. I can't wait to see the fireworks.
@ChessNetwork
@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын
😎
@kgames7343
@kgames7343 6 жыл бұрын
Love theses videos man. You have a way of imparting your knowledge like no other chess channel. Your commentary delivery is spot on.
@derendohoda3891
@derendohoda3891 6 жыл бұрын
Nice to see commentators exhibit patience with stockfish to get to a depth that indicates why the bot played the move it did. You'd think this would end charges of fraud but... anyway, great video Jerry. This game was actually much more subtle than the other games where AlphaZero squeezed stockfish into little balls of useless chess pieces, which shows the power of what the bot learned in self-play more than just a zugzwang style (if there can be such a style). Probably my favorite I've seen analyzed so far.
@blugaledoh2669
@blugaledoh2669 6 жыл бұрын
Deren Dohoda If given the choice, will you versus A0
@blugaledoh2669
@blugaledoh2669 6 жыл бұрын
10 game?
@shmoe127
@shmoe127 6 жыл бұрын
These AlphaZero v Stockfish videos are amazing. Keep them coming Jerry!
@ChessNetwork
@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you Robert.
@petergreen5337
@petergreen5337 Жыл бұрын
Beautiful lesson and demonstration.Thank you very much.
@lucky45bullets
@lucky45bullets 6 жыл бұрын
AlphaZero for President!
@slightlokii3191
@slightlokii3191 6 жыл бұрын
Alphazero would Analyse all the shitty things previous presidents have done and learn from their mistakes. That’s better than any other president there’s been so far xD
@lucky45bullets
@lucky45bullets 6 жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@klieu90210
@klieu90210 6 жыл бұрын
If we had A0 as president, we would be winning so much our heads would spin. I can't take that much winning 😣
@SuperMitch1995
@SuperMitch1995 6 жыл бұрын
Even a human could self learn to be a president in 4 hours and be better than the current one
@Jay0neDE
@Jay0neDE 6 жыл бұрын
eh, they'd probably just program it to maximize profits in the economy instead of making life better for all humans.
@AroundWayOther
@AroundWayOther 6 жыл бұрын
I'm really loving these analysis videos so much. It feels like watching human logical moves (A0) outplaying the Machine, Stockfish. Thank you for the continuing uploading of these analysis videos Jerry! :]
@hiimjosh868
@hiimjosh868 6 жыл бұрын
your analysis is the best on youtube. i cant find any other chess channel who analyzes the games (and the necessary moves) to the depth and simplicity of understanding that you do. seriously great job. youre amazing!
@Underpojken
@Underpojken 6 жыл бұрын
I enjoy these videos. Keep em coming!
@mukeshqweqwemukeshqweqwe7956
@mukeshqweqwemukeshqweqwe7956 6 жыл бұрын
omg... what was i doing past days without watching your videos ! it is a gem for the learners
@awesomereece123
@awesomereece123 6 жыл бұрын
Incredible! Thanks for the analysis, Jerry, have a smashing day mate.
@alanwhite3154
@alanwhite3154 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. Best analysis of this game so far on KZfaq.
@CloneHat
@CloneHat 6 жыл бұрын
This is an epic series of videos.
@gamemeister27
@gamemeister27 6 жыл бұрын
It'd be hard for the Berlin to get any more popular for black.
@Badbishop4point3
@Badbishop4point3 6 жыл бұрын
This is now my favorite Chess Network video. Thank you Sir.
@chessanalysis64
@chessanalysis64 Жыл бұрын
Unique and deep analysis by a talented chess master , thanks Jerry !!!!
@ChessNetwork
@ChessNetwork Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@klosnj11
@klosnj11 5 жыл бұрын
I have watched a few of these, but this time my wife and kids were sleeping still and i have no headphones available. Watching this muted makes me fill in both what the AI are thinking anf what you are likely explaining. It is an interesting experience.
@marfeddewrwz
@marfeddewrwz 6 жыл бұрын
You are awesome Jerry. Thanks!!! Stay awesome.
@dillonhenry5909
@dillonhenry5909 6 жыл бұрын
Love the robotic AlphaZero comments at the end of these videos. Thanks again for some more great analysis, Jerry!
@manassarpatwar
@manassarpatwar 6 жыл бұрын
Keep the videos coming JERRY!
@optymus333
@optymus333 5 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy your video thanks 👍👍👍
@antonalm7689
@antonalm7689 6 жыл бұрын
love these videos, keep em coming
@MassimilianoFarris
@MassimilianoFarris 6 жыл бұрын
amazing analysis, compliments
@MT-sf4sk
@MT-sf4sk 6 жыл бұрын
I really hope they release all the games because I love the analysis and I especially love AlphaZero's smack talk at the end!
@nakulbam5067
@nakulbam5067 6 жыл бұрын
Great analysis Jerry
@johnnyBuz072
@johnnyBuz072 6 жыл бұрын
Subbed. I don’t really play chess but these vids make me want to get better. I can see the strategy developing that I would never be able to replicate in real time.
@samgoodwin89
@samgoodwin89 6 жыл бұрын
Great analysis
@ppomele
@ppomele 6 жыл бұрын
Jerry...What an amazing video!!! Your blitz tournaments are extremely funny and entertaining. This is enlightening and one of the most instructive videos ever. I'm exited for, but afraid of, AlphaZero capabilities. I can see the story of Terminator happening one day. lol
@kristiann4346
@kristiann4346 6 жыл бұрын
The dialouge at the end lol. Imagine robots in the future with chess engines like this built in then they school you like this after the game xD
@bruceli9094
@bruceli9094 6 жыл бұрын
All hail AlphaZero, the wise King. The all knowing philosopher
@dandiaz19934
@dandiaz19934 6 жыл бұрын
Loving the AlphaZero impersonations at the end of the video!!!
@irlrp
@irlrp 6 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy those videos
@ahmedmusallam8389
@ahmedmusallam8389 5 жыл бұрын
Ur videos are amazing buddy, keed the good work
@4saken404
@4saken404 6 жыл бұрын
I like your way of explaining things. It doesn't require me to be a grandmaster in order to try to follow along. :)
@sebastiancastro7382
@sebastiancastro7382 6 жыл бұрын
19:23 When AlphaZero gets the cool voice of Starcraft 1 Goliath
@bad_keyzi
@bad_keyzi 6 жыл бұрын
brilliant analysis man.
@ChessNetwork
@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you Marc.
@Maximuss1999
@Maximuss1999 6 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love your videos
@ChessNetwork
@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you Max! 😎
@pijanypilot
@pijanypilot 6 жыл бұрын
Mate you are genius! Thanks!!!!
@Emc4421
@Emc4421 6 жыл бұрын
ChessNetwork, You are one of if not the best chess analyst on youtube. You give great insight without sidetracking to much. Some analyts on here go wayy to deep into the analysis part. For me personally, I watch the videos for entertainment purposes, it's relaxing.
@Jobmaofficialstar
@Jobmaofficialstar 6 жыл бұрын
Jerry, I have been watching your videos for years now and I still feel that you are one of, if not THE best instructor in regards to taking complex seemingly-incomprehensible moves and positions, and explaining the logic behind them, making them understandable to amateurs. You're seriously like the 3Blue1Brown of Chess. I'm loving this series in particular and am always proud to sport my ChessNetwork shirt ☺️ Read more
@ChessNetwork
@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын
+Jobma Perangin Thanks a lot for the Jobma. I appreciate the compliment.😊
@kadorakasu
@kadorakasu 6 жыл бұрын
Great content Jerry
@Krmpfpks
@Krmpfpks 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I kind of am frightened by the beauty of AlphaZeros play style. When Stockfish plays, you can see it’s a computer playing making it somewhat acceptable that it’s better than any human. AlphaZero plays like a well prepared human, just infinitely better... I for one welcome our AI lords.
@blijebij
@blijebij 6 жыл бұрын
What briljant perspective Alpha Zero showed here, simply beautiful chess.
@DylanJayce
@DylanJayce 5 жыл бұрын
The monologue at the end is the best part.
@BattleFieldGalaxy
@BattleFieldGalaxy 6 жыл бұрын
great editing!!!
@ChessNetwork
@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@Rulakful
@Rulakful 6 жыл бұрын
I was watching some video about AI and it got me here... Your A0 videos got me to subscribe to your channel, thanks for your uploads :)
@alieskandari6036
@alieskandari6036 6 жыл бұрын
Many thanks for interpretation
@cyndaquilpikachu6603
@cyndaquilpikachu6603 6 жыл бұрын
These games are like a rainbow with the four hours of learning and the pot of gold at the end is all the games I'm just waiting for that one last piece at the bottom which is the hippopotamus defense :p
@starplatinumzawarudo8755
@starplatinumzawarudo8755 6 жыл бұрын
Yay more alphazero
@raffaeleviti9115
@raffaeleviti9115 6 жыл бұрын
Just fantastic creative play. That rook.
@modolief
@modolief 6 жыл бұрын
Ah, poor Stockfish. We shed a tear for ya, mate.
@lochvids108
@lochvids108 6 жыл бұрын
modolief 1 minute moves, plus stockfish running on a pc vs googles supercomputers of deep mind. Idiotic test
@dandiaz19934
@dandiaz19934 6 жыл бұрын
wait is that really how it happened? if so, that's kind of terrible!! :( where can I read more about this?
@lochvids108
@lochvids108 6 жыл бұрын
Dan-The-Man Funnily enough, google!
@modolief
@modolief 6 жыл бұрын
LochVids: Here's my criteria for fairness regarding CPU power: How much power does each system draw? Stockfish and AlphaZero were probably both running on systems that drew about 300 Watts. The talkchess forum has some discussion on this if you care to dig it up. But I can criticize the following: Stockfish didn't have enough RAM for hash; Stockfish didn't have an opening book where AlphaZero effectively did; the time control was weird--should have been something more like game in 60 minutes plus 30 second increment; Stockfish 8 is a year old, the development version is much stronger.
@lochvids108
@lochvids108 6 жыл бұрын
modolief yeah im not sure. I just read an article on the register saying it was manipulated googles way
@burt591
@burt591 6 жыл бұрын
Dude you should add the Terminator Genesys Main Theme at some point in the video, it would sound awesome. Also make the robot at the end say "You are terminated" :)
@MrYoYoBoBoChaddyInsaneZhangII
@MrYoYoBoBoChaddyInsaneZhangII 6 жыл бұрын
Alphazero actually uses bobby Fischer’s brain
@jeffgreen3376
@jeffgreen3376 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah. I think they dug up Fisher's grave and cloned his DNA. Then they created a human-computer hybrid cyborg named Alpha Zero.
@isaact.5136
@isaact.5136 5 жыл бұрын
No , Bobby Fischer was a dynamic , tactical , punch throwing player , alpha has a very positionally crushing type of play.
@user-uq3iw2nf6x
@user-uq3iw2nf6x 6 жыл бұрын
so what's the difference between stockfish8 and the stockfish that played alphazero? because the one in the analysis doesn't 100% approve with the moves played by stockfish.. what was the time control by the way?
@grev7794
@grev7794 6 жыл бұрын
the stockfish in the analysis may not given 64 threads to analyze.the one that played alpha zero is much stronger in hardware. the time control is 1 minute per move.
@themegaultradude
@themegaultradude 6 жыл бұрын
This is really cool! It makes me want to play chess again, but I realise how terrible I am at it! Also AlphaZero is really interesting to see play, and when you point it out, it makes clear sense.
@shimel42
@shimel42 6 жыл бұрын
Quick question on the theoretical pawn take by black on move 21 (Qa5xc5...it was suggested it followed RxN, QxN, but couldn't the Q just take the Rook there (or even Qxc7)?).
@YTcrazy
@YTcrazy 6 жыл бұрын
Recently just started watching your vids, great in depth analysis! Love how you also go into hypothetical situations, and even entertain the thought so amateurs an easily see the outcome of it. Question though, at 6:17, you mentioned the rook to b6 ties the queen down to b2, but I'm a bit confused how. If white bishop at e3 takes knight on d4, then pawn at c5 takes bishop on d4, then queens on c3 takes pawn on d4. At this point, if black rook takes pawn at b2, the white queen gets a free rook...so unsure of how the rook ties down the queen, if the exchange went through. Thanks!
@anthoras
@anthoras Жыл бұрын
Rb4. You either drop the b pawn, or Qc3 and have to first defend b2 with Ra2 before you free the queen, but at this point white is completely on the defensive
@davidmilne8876
@davidmilne8876 6 жыл бұрын
I love these videos. This is the best that's ever been played, right?
@ESLteacher1965
@ESLteacher1965 6 жыл бұрын
Loved it!!!!!
@gregzytka
@gregzytka 6 жыл бұрын
Anybody knows if AlphaZero is accepting students?
@dyl715
@dyl715 6 жыл бұрын
This game was mind blowing :O
@johnsy4306
@johnsy4306 6 жыл бұрын
Are the engines stocked with the standard openings or do they get the book moves by themselves?
@dangelobenjamin
@dangelobenjamin 6 жыл бұрын
Jerry thank you so much for uploading these videos!
@jsteel89
@jsteel89 3 жыл бұрын
Love you, Jerry.
@abdulbuc7209
@abdulbuc7209 4 жыл бұрын
Rly nice vid!
@BattleFieldGalaxy
@BattleFieldGalaxy 6 жыл бұрын
btw jerry could one of your videos for beginner to chess masters series be about how to analyze a chess game? I find myself just pressing the arrow key without taking much learning points from the game. Thanks!
@joemarkbernabe2345
@joemarkbernabe2345 6 жыл бұрын
Wow fantastic lecture alphazero ur #1
@daffaabhyass3166
@daffaabhyass3166 5 жыл бұрын
One question , the song in the very end of your every video ,whats that song?
@wasp89898989
@wasp89898989 6 жыл бұрын
Jerry, are you gonna upload the zugzwang/queen-trapped-in-the-corner gamer?
@user-oz.Goodwin
@user-oz.Goodwin 5 жыл бұрын
Mystical AlphaZero=)
@cccMS1
@cccMS1 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Jerry, do you think that A0 will be the first engine to fully understand the concept of a fortress? If so, it would be awesome!
@nr1771
@nr1771 6 жыл бұрын
Jerry, have you seen the analysis of the Alpha Zero games by Jose Camacho Collados? He argues that Alpha Zero's victories over Stockfish may not be as impressive as they appear, for many reasons including the way the experiment was set up: "However, the experimental setting does not seem fair. The version of Stockfish used was not the last one but, more importantly, it was run in its released version run on a normal PC, while AlphaZero was ran using considerable higher processing power. For example, in the TCEC competition engines play against each other using the same processor. Additionally, the selection of the time seems odd. Each engine was given one minute per move. However, in the vast majority of human and engine competitions each player is given a fixed amount of time for the whole game, and then this time is administered individually. As Tord Romstad, one of the original developers of Stockfish, declared, this was another questionable decision in detriment of Stockfish, as “lot of effort has been put into making Stockfish identify critical points in the game and decide when to spend some extra time on a move” " His analysis is interesting and worth a look.
@dannygjk
@dannygjk 6 жыл бұрын
+nr1771 “lot of effort has been put into making Stockfish identify critical points in the game and decide when to spend some extra time on a move”. Try it yourself. See how long it will take Stockfish to realize that AlphaZero's sacs etc. are excellent moves.
@pandabearguy1
@pandabearguy1 6 жыл бұрын
hard to agrgue over processing power in stockfish's favor when stockfish is calculating 1000x more positions per unit time. The hardware alpha zero used during the game was not the insanity it used during it's learning phase
@medajig
@medajig 6 жыл бұрын
erlend myhre If that is how you see it then you are wrong.. stockfish and other top engine like komodo and houdini have different algorithms.. and its impressive the way Alphazero look at the position like humans, it doesnt look position tree where by experience its bad.. the point is it should be nice if the stockfish version is the latest.. and should have its own opening book. Stockfish 8 will be annihilated by the latest version of stockfish, komodo 11.2.2 and the current tcec champion houdini 6.03.
@grantcivyt
@grantcivyt 6 жыл бұрын
+nr1771 I agree the AlphaZero results are questionable. If you're the challenger, you have to win on the winner's turf and on an otherwise level playing field. The games are certainly impressive, and I've no doubt that AlphaZero is innovative and formidable. I'm reserving final judgment until we can get a clearer picture of the experimental controls.
@pandabearguy1
@pandabearguy1 6 жыл бұрын
im just saying that giving stockfish ultra hardware doesnt make much of a difference in its performance because of its inherent design, and alpha zero had greater gain in performance with increased time per move than stockfish aswell. alpha zero didnt use insane computing power during the game. in any case the fairness of the match is only relevant to the actual match. The whole point of the experiment is FAR beyond it's score against stockfish, it is simply a test to see the effectiveness of self learning AI. If google and deepmind wanted to make the strongest possible chess playing entity they would have given it far more time and computing power.
@mmartel
@mmartel 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the instructive analysis. There's an undeniable beauty in Alpha Zero's play. The strategic ideas are just exceptional.
@critercat
@critercat 6 жыл бұрын
I'm refusing to watch any of the other analysis videos of the AlphaZero games. Jerry is providing the best analysis by a mile.
@Aldrasio
@Aldrasio 6 жыл бұрын
What mouse do you use? I notice that I never hear any clicks in your videos, which is really nice.
@psymar007
@psymar007 6 жыл бұрын
Where is this being played? Or where do you take the games from?
@Kavster92
@Kavster92 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Jerry, I love the videos. Can you please explain the scoring and numbering system for the people new to your channel? I'm assuming square brackets is the number of moves Stockfish is calculating the score beside it to. Just a little trouble understanding how the score is relevant!
@ChessNetwork
@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын
+Kavalier Yes, brackets is move depth Stockfish is calculating. Parentheses...positive numbers mean white is better....negative..black is better. Zero = equal :)
@BusDriverGames
@BusDriverGames 6 жыл бұрын
I don't even play chess but I like your videos bud.
@WilXuH
@WilXuH 6 жыл бұрын
Thx Jerry !
@ChessNetwork
@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын
👍
@redmon89
@redmon89 6 жыл бұрын
Jerry I was falling asleep watching this video and the red robot popped up. I was half awake and it honestly scared me half to death. I thought some red guy popped up from beneath my bedroom window lol. Anyway very interesting video thanks for the upload.
@ChessNetwork
@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын
+redmon89 😴😮
@joemel2
@joemel2 5 жыл бұрын
I like chess but am pretty casual. Videos like this show just how shallow my understanding of chess really is!
@chessisbest
@chessisbest 6 жыл бұрын
These games are fascinating. It's hard watching my friend Stockfish get crushed like this!
@DracoVolantus
@DracoVolantus 6 жыл бұрын
I think I will watch alphazero play till end of my days, nothing more interesting in the world, seriously
@Marek_Vasilev
@Marek_Vasilev 6 жыл бұрын
Which color is next?
@luckygozer
@luckygozer 6 жыл бұрын
You know you are really making me start to dislike AlphaZero with your video titles. He's like ohohoh i am 4 hours old let me show you how to play this game of chess. What about poor Stockfish? Has he been doing nothing all this time? Was all his effort in vain!? Wonderful video as always. These games are very intresting to watch.
@Yzeyr
@Yzeyr 6 жыл бұрын
he's like that 12 year old in video game that has 10x the aim you have and you sit there thinking wtf have i been doing all my life.
@ashharkausar413
@ashharkausar413 6 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure alpha made stockfish rethink his life choices those 100 games....
@ChessNetwork
@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын
You scared me for a moment. Thank you 😎
@squintyasians
@squintyasians 6 жыл бұрын
Ashhar Kausar the
@RuLeZ1988
@RuLeZ1988 6 жыл бұрын
Stockfish won't RIP by that, since it is opensource and needs only few ressources to be used on conventional PC's. So the replacement by AlphaZero will have to wait for some time, mainly because of the high ressource requirements and the huge investment into this running project. Other than that... this Chess Match is just a side project by the Team behind this AI.
@Obsticate
@Obsticate 6 жыл бұрын
Shots fired at stockfish at the end there
@anonymous-ui7il
@anonymous-ui7il 6 жыл бұрын
6:46 It was to give the black rook more mobility- more important that the active rook idea you talked about
@mykillmielia5640
@mykillmielia5640 6 жыл бұрын
Wow, just wow!
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