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i love CP ('s art)

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in china, "CP" is slang for a relationship because its the letters at the start of the two words that make a relationship..... lol

Yes I try to always date my sketchbook so I can see my progression

This>>

This is the exact reason why I put dates in the first place

heavy agree

On my digital art I usually have a hidden layer with the date

My trick (that I use bc I'm paranoid of my crap being stolen for whatever reason lmao) is that I hide my initials/name clearly but neatly in something like the shine dots of a character's eye, the stripes on fur, shading, highlights on hair.. anywhere that likely won't get cropped out and isn't easy to spot so that if hypothetically I ever had to prove *I* drew something I can pull a "HAH! did you notice to smudge THIS?"

the way i like to do it is by having my signature be part of the drawing (if it's able to)! like using it as text for the design on someone's shirt or a book or something; though if it gets too stylized i might also throw in just an overlay text somewhere else :p

do you know any examples of artists who do this (or can any artists reading this link their gallery if they feel ok with it) ?

@@selladore4911 not exactly one to one, but off the top of my head i know rinotuna (artstation, ig, twitter) hides their mascot in their art, both as a fun game and a signature basically :)

It's one of the reasons Larry Elmore has been a favorite artist of mine. He's a legend. His signature is literally part of the art. He's always made it look so natural, that you don't realize it at first, and your brain kind of dismisses it as depth in the painting.

they should definitely have sections with their progress year by year if they have a portfolio & if you're talking about social media, well usually they post in chronological order so if you see something inconsistent with no explanation be wary (if old art is reposted it's usually stated somewhere).

And for me, on physical canvas, I sign on the back in pencil and varnish over it, with the month and year of completion and the title of the piece (if it has one). If anybody ever wants to know, it's all there. Most likely, nobody ever will.

@@BronzeDragon133I put the title and date on the back as well. Signature on the front. I also add the date on my sketchbook pieces.

It's also quite endearing to me to have a date on the art, it makes it a time relic.

@@crow7421Yeah, I like seeing it on some older buildings, it makes something feel important and special

I do my part to prevent art theft by taking a watermark stamp with me to every museum and gallery.

I really hope you don't apply your sharpie directly onto other people's art but like, on the wall or next to it.

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I don't get the upvotes. Why is this seen as a good thing?

​@@kioku618 the joke

This happens to me a ton too, often on Pinterest, since it's chock full of reuploads that don't link the source.

Can totally agree, I find or come across some really amazing art on the internet and want to find the source of who made it and where can I find them to see more of their art, but their signature is to hard to read or find. (One of the other problems I have is when I come across an art piece I like and want to see art like that that is made by someone and is consistent in the style but only find out that it was made by Ai. Just to be let down and turn away from said art piece.)

there’s a reason many artists do this, and it’s simple. It makes it hard as hell to reproduce or claim it as yours, if you’re not the og artist. It’s an anti theft measure to have an odd/complicated/illegible signature that looks unique, as it makes it very hard for a forger to replicate. In face many artists hide MULTIPLE signatures throughout the artwork itself, to make it even harder to replicate. This started in traditional media. They don’t put the signature there for you to be able to read it. The original function of the signature in art was a security validation and anti forge measure. It still carries over to a lot of digital media today, because an artist can put something that’s not their name as a signature, that only they truly know what it is. Having a legible signature that’s easy to copy would defeat the purpose, and even in the digital world, this actually still works just as intended, and is STILL a vital concern. In fact, AI cannot copy signatures of this type successfully. Say someone’s selling ai art made from someone else’s art, and pretending that they are the og artist. That super unreadable unique as hell signature is all the artist needs to go “actually, this is NOT mine, it’s 100% ai made fraud.”, because ai is only good at trying to copy simple signatures. @@CrownePrince

Isn’t that one of the first point they make in the video?

@@RaspBerryPies It is. And Crowne Prince notes that to avoid the top reply's problem there should also be a legible subtitle along with the "hell signature." The point of the theheartofthefart's comment is to add information about why people have illegible signatures in the first place.

Ikr! Like when I see dates like 2015 I go like "Damnnn I was in 2nd grade back then"

@@X3RNEA5 ayee, exactly!

i like paying attention to dates and time so i rlly like seeing it too

I like seeing how an artist has progressed through dates on the art.

same. also i somehow drew a character in the animating app and they looked like it was my very good old art style

EXACTLY

i thought it was because of a phone, and was about to type something about it and then it took me a while to uhm

Considering the first result for this acronym on Google was ‘Cerebral Palsy’ I find myself thoroughly confused

Its worse then having your initials as KKK.

No kidding. Throw in a middle initial or something.

holy shit this needs a pin

@@octovore_shobonI agree

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I bet you are a boy younger than 18

my man!!!... wait what🤣

Actually real!! I’m in a fandom that really peaked in the early 2010s so I love seeing how old the fanart is lol

@@Aubslikeslosersguessing its homestuck just a wild guess

Samee

@@jestrelyeah don’t know why but I’m getting that vibe as well!

@@Aubslikeslosers Gamzee Makara

what is this a FOSSIL?

I also like it for the history of the artist specifically. I'll sometimes scroll back through people's pixiv accounts to see how they've improved or their style has changed over time. It's like you're getting to know a little bit about them and their life.

​@@Kidneyjoe42 I put date exactly for this reason, tho I improve rarely..

REAL

I saw a painting in a museum once where the artist scrawled today’s date somewhere on the work every time they worked on it, each date getting incorporated into the composition in a slightly different way. It was a cool concept and very well executed. It added a whole dimension of history and story to the piece

Same, I enjoy looking years back and seeing how much I improved

I mean tbf dating is really only detrimental if the artist makes money mainly by their commissions and the like

@@raridino600 idk if that'd even be detrimental for commissions. maybe selling the original artwork? but i buy old art all the time, as long as I like it, so I don't see the issue here either, if somebody won't buy your art simply because it's old, but otherwise they like it, it's mostly an excuse. There's no reason to not buy old art if you like the art

E vive versa 😍

I started dating my art because it helps *me* keep track, everything else always gets lost with time but when it's right on the art I don't have to worry about the information getting lost. I couldn't care less if it devalues my art, I get like 0-3 likes on my Tumblr on the regular anyway lmao.

The second reason is why i put dates in my artworks, My memory didn't work properly and i lost all the years worth of progress and original files, the only works i have is from images that i shared around, with no way of knowing when it was drawn so that i can compare improvement

THATS WHAT IM SAYING LMAOOO

SO WRONG SIGNING WITH CP 💀

Cod Points

Central processor

just goes to show how black and white some people think when they think an acronym can't possibly have other uses. that it must exclusively be what they think it is and not something else.

100%

I agree with you. I think it's amazing to be able to look back and see an artist's older work

Much like how Death Note is from 2006 and it was waay ahead of its time in terms of animation

If it's more than 10 years ago and still relevant, it can be seen as ahead of its time, or of higher relative quality. Trying to sell something that's 3 years old is mainly gonna be seen as selling off old junk nobody else bought.

yeah. by the way, thats also age bias! lol

I thought the same, that's why I clicked the video

😂nice pun dude

Same, my art would put out, but nobody wants it. I write the month and year clearly on the back of every canvas that goes to live in the cellar for the rest of time until my heirs throw them out. Now that I reflect on it, that's extremely sad.

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Yeah i heard a record scratch when that was said….

That is rather amusing. Reminds me of when a comedy sketch about the importance of comedic timing had the punchline interrupted by a midroll ad. I figured the algorithm had become sentient and developed its own sense of humour.

Yeah, a lot of the best artists i know improved dramatically over 10+ years. But the whole AI debacle and other fields facing legit job concerns are going through a blender. Consider the common even ideal love story. Might be a personal vent here. (FEEL free to SKIP), just me venting out if anyone wants. - The ideal stuff people want to afford, the baseline of a relationship. Might often be 1-50k diamond ring, 170k (2008) -> 400-800k same size house, taken hostage 4/4 boardwalks MONOPOLY style. - A person, age 18-20, who likely has no degree, has earning potentials likely of 7000-15000$ a year, likely takes home 4000$->10,000$ a year after tax. - The average mortgage rate of 2% -> 7% means just the lowball estimate of 7% a year on 400k is a 28k payment/rent. Not to own, but break even on interest. - A very fair amount of people in 2024 are almost childishly 'autistimo' this year. Even though identical twins have sometimes shown "genetic factors" can sometimes be more akin to "Flour that grows next to a pizza oven is more likely to become pizza, than flour grown next to a tortilla factory". A lot of people just put themselve first. And the dating joke of. "I don't get why it's so unreasonable. Girls just want a guy who's 6 feet tall, makes 6 figures, has a 6 pack. And men just want someone under 666 lbs with no tattoos, stds or mental issues. I don't get why men are so entitled and unrealistic. Women deserve better. If money's all you bring to a relationship, why should we bother? You're the cause of all our problems." -> Men leaves to go hang with homies. -> "NO WAIT! YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO LEAVE, YOU'RE THE SOURCE OF ALL MY PROBLEMS" shenangians. It might be over venting, but i think nobody is arguing. - Probably everyone wants to be 'loved' by another person, even if they say it or not. Though the concept of 'love' can easily be warped by people. Some people define 'love' as almost akin to being fawned over. The "Omg, your STUFF'S THE BEST EVER! they're so cute!" "You're gonna be rich and famous!" "everyone wants you!" antics. - Others might just want to hear "Thanks for all you do, i really appreciate it, thanks for coming back and always being here. :3, i'm so glad i have you" antics. - Meanwhile, a probably legitimately concern amount of people might just define "love" as legit stalkery. Like apparently the furry fandom furcon had a problem with "love" expressed from 27 somethings being expressed as 'stalker issues' at the cons. Or 'True love.. is making sure they can never run away from ME.. their "TRUE LOVE" TM.' While i get the ai concerns. (If you were looking at so many economic issues. And then something said. "Hey! I can deliver you a experience that's free, artificial, free of any potential harm, stalking, bad blood, be put away when wanted. Be anything you want, From the best scenes ever to most wildest fantasies to a feeling of high interactivity 'artificial or not'. Than it's almost easy to see why it'd have such real job concerns and replacement concerns. Why would someone 'keep you', if a artificial version of yourself with no real 200-2000$/month needs, (financial or otherwise), who could be 'anything' they wanted, even if a surreal copy (6 fingers, shallowness, parrotness) etc? What's a musician without a audience, writing the dates and numbers playing alone to a empty audience of "The people who ruined their life?", or the bluesky/mastodon paradox. Where a self selection bias of people who needed money, went to a place of people who needed money. While everyone needed money, and then couldn't pay bills without money, while everyone needed money? Can anyone plug in the math for how those 'real and idealistic 18-22 year old', fresh out of high schools/colleges in a best case scenarios. Can buy a 1-50k ring, 400k-800k house, and spend 200$ a day (70,000$ post tax a year), before they even have a degree? I'm not grilling just tired. But i feel like some of the ultra vitrolic hate has left people hormonal messes. The math doesn't add up, people have already said so or tried to explain they're trying to do the '5-20 yr setup' part of life. People have bills now, but 90% of people who didn't grow up in the fandom are just going. "lol, endless crap" OR "Why would i want THAT type of Human relationship? One that just uses me for money, verbally demonizes me, attempts to attack/smear others. I don't even want to give them a paypal or sketchy russian boosty address. I just want to never attach and be safe" antics. Idk, but then even if the stuff is fun there's like this hormonal missing. Like even if you're seeing everything you wanted, not hate but just "i love yous" or "thanks, i always appreciated having you! Thanks for all the sacrifices you all made to help support us, :3", you see the real life person going. "You WERE THE CAUSE OF ALL MY PROBLEMS, I DON'T NEED YOU" followed by "STOP LEAVING!"s, and just feeling broken. And the first thing that comes to mind to people was DATING STAMPS!!!!!!, Not people who tried or were/there for years who left being DEMONIZED OVER AND OVER AND OVER!!!!!. Idk. overvent. But idek.

Understand what you're saying but I think it's interesting either way for an art to have a date because it can attract ither people into what past artwork they did.

Same, to a point. I'm someone who does traditional works primarily, and I've seen a few people who posted a lot of really stylized traditional art in the past, but moved to digital art in the present. I can't speak to what value they'd have as older pieces, but I can say that the older works had a lot more character and texture that I appreciated. Age doesn't always equate to less value to different people, but circumstances are always a factor.

I think most people do, which leads people to think they are buying the "worse" of the artist's products.

I've been in the art world since the young internet, I've never heard of dates devaluing art myself... but maybe they've had one prudish bully and decided that was the Hail Mary to never dating art again, and telling everyone else to not do so as well. I see plenty portfolios with dates, and all I think about the dates is "wow, they've come a long way and are very active and passionate about art." I never once looked at a date and really cared much else of it, especially never how they described "what are you, a lizard?" Which I'm unsure what they are meaning there? That you're too old and not some fresh from the womb artist who just started cranking out good art? I really am unsure, the argument is vague there...

this! Also having it hang in an artgallery is something, which doesn't happen. Rich people trade art to prevent paying taxes. They won't buy artwork from an internetuser/random person. You have to have rich friends, who promote your art to get it into a gallery.

@@inquisitorinluzifera3406 I think that the older the art the more it sells for. Like, why would it be devaluing anything? Why?

I've always dated my drawings because in the future I'll review it and see how much I've evolved and in how long, and it's also been 3 years since I've been doing a drawing for day every single day (Help)

I did the same. I was taught I was required to put a date on my work no matter what, when I found out it was a lie I was a bit upset I was taught wrong, however what I like about it is just looking at how long it's been or whatever, and also I understand why people dont do it at all, its just I still do it because it feels too weird to me now •-•

God that makes me feel so old hearing someone calling something from 2010 ‘vintage MLP’

Have you been able to vaguely figure out when your older art was made?

honestly i don't understand what this video is trying to say about dates at all. what does an art gallery have to do with it? we're talking about digital artwork here, not a canvas you would sell to a gallery. it's very easy to keep a version of digital art that doesn't have a date on it, if selling to art galleries is your aim... although i also don't know why the age of the art matters to a gallery either... is van gogh worthless now? his pieces are practically ancient compared to a drawing from 2021. regardless that's not really what most digital artists are doing, that advice only seems useful to a small minority of online digital artists tbh. i promise, a commissioner doesn't care that they can look at their commission and tell that they bought it in 2021. they already know. unless you're painting a gallery piece, nobody cares about this as much as this video implies by saying you should NEVER date your work

You need a comma before "but" (this is a universal rule) and another one before "to me" (since this is a parenthetical that you decided to end on a comma, it needs a starting comma as well): "I understand the insecurity of a date on art, but, to me, I love when people..." Well, I should also point out that it doesn't actually make sense to say "to me" if your point already includes yourself as the subject. One can't say that, to oneself, one thinks something. One simply says "one thinks something." This has been your free grammar lesson from an internet stranger. Please do better.

@@TheGrammarPolice7 This will actually help me with english, thank you.

And I think it's good to put dates on my art because I have a portfolio, most of the arts are pretty recent and it's for people to see that I'm doing this kind stuff since that date xD Although, If you want to keep doing that in a portfolio, you should put recent drawings that are not than 2-3 years old or even less if you draw a lot, things change so fast in a few years

@@Carmiineh Yeah, my art changes all the time lmao, my art one year ago looks completely different to now, it's insane

Exactly! Prince seems to be too biased by whatever experience they had with an art comission or something. Many have already explained in the comments that dating your art doesn't damage your business that badly. If a client dismisses someone's art for being old, that's them being unfairly judgemental, not the artist's fault

OML-

The "2022 doesn't sound exciting today, but it will be in forty years" is actually incredibly inspirational. That was such an insightful and introspective quote, it made me smile and feel really kind of good. Thank you for that.

I've also seen it go the other way where I find an older piece that I like, but as time went on the artist's style went in a less appealing direction.

I never heard anyone put a date for any other reason😅😅😅😅😅

Same. I put a signature and date so I know what phase I was in when I drew this (phases like "anime drawing" phase where I drew anime only) and what day, month, and year I finished it. It's a good way to track your improvements throughout the years.

i haven't watched the video yet, but what on earth does she think people are signing their art for if not this?

I’ve got a date, a copyright notice, and a nice link to my deviantART

It helps you also notice how much you've gotten better at your art

Sharing is caring, so stop caring

What's a 'WIP'?

I, too, like to immediately ruin every joke I ever make by explaining it in brackets afterwards. (I don't really. I'm being sarcastic.)

@@omp199 see i don't really wanna be put on a list by accident (i don't wanna be put on a list by accident)

Same (but not crowne prince)

​@@wn4426if you really meant that, you aren't going to get put on a list. you are one person among many, CIA, government, or whatever likely 99.9% chance do not care about you.

Yeah, most of my pieces are physical fiber art, and so I like dating them because I know they'll be around for a good long time. We have ornaments that my mother made as a child, and ones I made as a child, and it's nice to be able to easily look at the back and be amazed how long it's been. Of course, this is a completely different use of art from selling, so there's different rules.

which artist?

Sounds really cool, point them out dude

what's toyhouse

@@LieseFury It's a site where it is mainly used for storing your characters and works

@@yoisakikanade_ It's louixie 😅😅 shes a warriors cat fanartist so lets say her art is at high risk of stealage

For this reason, I recommend signing twice, once in a standard location and once in a difficult to remove location. The non-name things like dates if you include them and similar information can also only be placed in the corner part.

This is a fantastic point. I work with AI models often (ethically). Recurring constants in training data significantly skew output. Having the same signature in the same place of every piece will absolutely show up in outputs trained on that art. It’s so strong that even negative prompts like “-signature” and “-text” don’t do much to remove it from the AI generated images. (For now.)

Bit of a double edged sword if your goal is to have your signature show up when your name is used in a prompt. A model that has guided training can have your watermark/signature very easily tagged as a watermark/signature meaning it can be ignored entirely, or included as a watermark so that a negative prompt for watermark will generate an image without it easily

​@@CorrosiveCitrus That isn't how generative models work. The model is trained on all the images in it's training set before the user prompts it. If you ask for a specific artist with a distinct watermark and tell it to generate images without a watermark, it isn't going to retrain against that artist's work to determine what their watermark looks like, and if it did there probably wouldn't be enough data for a good result anyway. It's going to use whatever it's learned from the broader dataset and apply it.

@@74oshua ngl this seems like it would fail against people drawing over the signature for like 10% of the sample, then telling the ai model to go "okay, make the generated images look like (watermarked image) - (watermarked image - image with removed watermark)"

Same

Sadly, it’s too late to stop me now 0:00

im a fan!

Maybe that's true if you have become way more skilled in the last years and still trying to sell outdated art. I had a mini vernissage last year with originals and prints from 2020 up to 2023. Most of the prints were being sold like crazy, but especially the ones that were my "finest" of the bunch, and those artworks were from 2021, 2022 etc. Some prints that I myself thought were kinda "meh" were selling out too, which surprised me. So people were just buying based on what they liked, not at all about which year it was from. If I have another vernissage in the future I'm gonna weed out the art that I think is outdated, but some of my finest works are still fire years later so maybe those art pieces are gonna be sold then too. My personal "masterpieces" I think are gonna look 10/10 no matter how many years go by.

This dating the back of paper art got me thinking - as a computer science student I know it's possible but it's just out of my knowledge reach atm - that maybe there could be a program to inject an encrypted date and signature into your digital art after it's done. A little chunk of information that isn't part of the metadata of the file so that when an art thief or a hosting service/website goes as far as cropping off the metadata of your digital work, there could be still a way to trace it back to you.... _EDIT: don't mind this reply , just a little thought fart from a comp sci student who's a wanna be artist for hobby_

Devalue? What, are you selling it?

@@thefanboy3285 iirc, theres a way to change the metadata in the art to make it unreadable by AI

" Signatures with dates do truly devalue the piece even with traditional vs digital media people want your latest and presumed greatest" Ok, but if you intended to sell the piece, why would you wait years and allow it to become devalued before doing so? If you want to use it to advertise for commissions for new art, why does the value of your old examples matter? Obviously any new art will be given the current date.

This! 😂 even though the date is on the website, sometimes I have pieces of art drawn and go wow this was over decade?

I love this.

I disagree with it, but impolitely. It's a ridiculous take and should be challenged more openly as such. "Date devalues the art"... whatever will they think of next?

@@Hekateras It reminds me of the concept of ‘time value of money’ in accounting. It’s basically a theory of infinite exponential inflation and I hate it. It’s quite literally why we can’t have nice things.

Your art style has a creator base that is statistically more likely to do bad things to animals and children... Please stop furry art:( Even if your brain is somehow normal everywhere, you're providing material to a huge base out there:( Please join me to stop all furry anything. We're just giving the radical alt right merit when they call the lefts the P word.

Writing the city is actually really fun. I like that.

I like foxes. I wish I could see some pages of your diary

Oh yeah, I do the same. I think I might've moved that tip to a future lesson about avoiding theft, and dealing with it when it does happen.

.jpgs would be good for that, right? I think the quality degrades each time it's downloaded or reuploaded

​​@@reclusiveChiroptera png quality degrades too since most sites by default convert any uploaded image into jpg but yeah, that's how you get "moldy" and yellowed images, its because theyve been reposted and screenshotted thousands or with some images potentially millions of times

also lowering the quality makes people not able to print it and claim its theirs

You too???

I do the same but with my signature. My signature doesn't look like my username watermark at all however all my pieces have that signature that are on 20% opacity hidden within the art piece. So I can always point out its my art piece cuz it has that signature lol.

these are awesome! someone with a more detailed art style can put these "easteregg" signatures smackdab in the middle of the focal point, as an eye shine, while others with a simpler cartoon style such as myself could maybe use cell shading for that. doing a negative space signature with the shading (although that would be easy to edit out... anti-theft signatures are always "and alsos" and not "instead ofs", so youd still have a propper sig and watermark)

@@portobeIIai was thinking is using an signature logo and making it part of the character’s designs (clothing, t-shirt, iconography, other miscellaneous areas, maybe the eye render if its really detailed).

stop being weird

Why not? Some people have that as their initials. Just because you associate it with something sinister doesn’t mean they should change it. Get your mind out of the gutter.

I totally understand that but the connotation is still there regardless. You can see other people also noticed it. But considering the other amazing options he added why use it when you have to admit it’s at least questionable

​@@recycledideas4261If it was an artist that worked in exclusively in traditional media and had no concept of the digital realm - sure. But if you're a "cute" furry artist that does the bulk of your business online, those initials are going to raise eyebrows. Other commenters have brought it up. Context is important. I'm going to give Prince the benefit of the doubt here, but it's a weird pick.

@@FineTuxedo Yes, it's false advertising. I think that's what you meant.

For real, I was about to write a 6000 words essay on why it is perfectly acceptable

Generally, as a person who commissions a lot of art, I like to sort by character -> Design (As alts) -> Piece Type (Headshot, Half, Full, etc) You could generally sort by Year -> Piece Type. There is also Year -> Month if you wish to micro-manage it. You could also, if you have a lot of styles, sort by Year -> Style, or combine all 3 and use Year -> Style -> Piece type (If you draw a lot of art and are draw a wide variety.) Generally, my questions would be what do you use it for? How much do you have? For example, I don't sort art of characters who has less than like 50 pieces, as it is not very important, as you will find the specific piece by skimming through the files. Also, another thing isn't just folders, but how you name files, you could name something Fullbody_Character_April, and it works, but if you want to retrieve that piece later, it will be much harder, especially if there are more than 10, especially with variants. Any other things I'd supply regarding naming is that you can name it by what the piece is about, "Character exploring a mysterious forest", will be much easier to find in a lot of files with such names, for variants, I just like to add brackets, for example, "Character exploring a mysterious forest (DSZ)" if I need to downsize it for image uploading, for sites like ToyHouse. Generally, I would just say see what fits you best, it depends on your needs, you can go more detailed with sorting, or you can leave it be, it depends on what your needs are, and how detailed you want to go with sorting for futureproof sake.

I have the same issue. I have it managed so that any art older than the previous year is put into "Cold storage" (an external drive that is almost always hooked up to my PC anyway) and I just have the current year and previous year on my SSD for quick and easy access.

I'd say just break it down a little more. Break the years up into months. Maybe you could also separate it out by type? I dunno, I'd have to look at it to figure out more.

same!, i actually mostly do this because else it takes wayyyyyyyyy too long for the files to load and sort themselves in the right order (by date instead of alphabetically)

Ahh yeah a video about sorting artworks would be greatly helpful! *Comedically timed explosion of all my digital artwork bursting out the single folder they've been carelessly crammed into for years*

No normal person does. This fad of acting like something slightly older is automatically cringe is very weird, and I hope people grow out of it.

@@Hekateras yeah, I don’t get it either. It’s really stupid. Anyway, this video is 2 weeks old anyway, so it’s outdated advice anyway. 🤣