The basis of rock 'n roll and pop music really.

And Mozart never meant for it to be a burn at all. Genius writing.

“Funny little tune, but it yielded some things.”

@@e300yt Yeah, he just didn't have good social skills, but it's adorable

Much better is when Salieri is fishing for a compliment about his own music and Mozart doesn't want to tell him the truth so he says, "When one hears music like that what can one say but--Salieri?" It's like telling a woman she never looked more beautiful,.......

I'm 42 and my dad had this on VHS. From boy to man this is up there with my most watched scenes, up there with the knighting of King Arthur in Excalibur - another VHS favourite

Me pasa exactamente lo mismo

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I know. The acting and direction and editing are superb.

Me too

Supposedly he was.

Rooney eats it

@@ivancarlson953, LOL!

Emperor, yes. Jeffrey Jones, however, turned out to be a sex pervert.

Well, actually, he was revered as a hero by Beethoven and his generation for hating things like court protocol and trying to be a monarch for, not over his people. In our present day eyes, he would seem a modern monarch.

Nelson Now that's classy. They were both incredible. Too bad they couldn't split it.

Nelson, I remember his acceptance speech. After he mentioned wishing Tom Hulce up there beside him, the camera panned to Hulce who was smiling.

That's Patrick Hines, I think he was more of a stage actor than a TV/Film actor. He passed away about a year later unfortunately.

Abraham was brilliant

I agree. His facial acting is world class

And Saliere was the famest composer in europe!

Wow. I did not know that

That's true. He was a prestigious and influential composer. In fact, Mozart borrowed elements from his works.

True. At at the end, when he was too old to work, they continued to pay his salary until he died.

and never met mozart

"The man had no 'ear' at all lol

I am a c- piano player and I stepped to the piano and played this the first time I saw it on TV.

You clearly have no musical knowledge - a 5-year-old child could play that!

@@bertramwinslowiii2119 Let's see....BFA in vocal performance, solid regional theater and opera resume, composed a couple of musicals in college....nope, no knowledge whatsoever.....

@@phoenixnyc That you have to boast of your mediocre qualifications and minuscule achievements is sad, really sad. You made a silly comment, got called on it, now drop it.

No doubt. I love the walls with the horse paintings...it can't be overstated what a beautiful job the entire art department did in this movie.

It won Oscars for both, so well deserved!

@@mikekohary1075 My mom being German, she took me back in '84 to see family and visit places. She took me to Neuschwanstein Castle and my 6 year old mind was blown by the interiors and costumes of the 'Mad King' Ludwig II in a very similar vein to this.

@@AtlasBlizzard Rightly so.

Milos Freaking Forman.

He was also supposed to have been responsible for the first music piracy in history. There was a piece of music which was highly guarded by the Vatican and no copies of the music were ever released. A 14 year old Mozart heard the piece once (or twice according to some versions) and then proceeded to transcribe and play the whole thing from memory. Edit: the song was the Miserere, and Mozart went to Mass at the Vatican on the Wednesday, transcribed it that night, then went back on Friday to check a couple of mistakes.

it was his practice.. and natural talent

Lol and improved it beautifully

Meh. You probably can, too. Lookit Bob Dylan, he's amazed by his 23-year-old self, but he can go back.

Someone call an ambulance because somebody got SCORCHED

Grazie, Signore! ;-)

G CS nnnnbjnu

Salieri: Am I a joke to you?

I know - I'm a professional orchestral musician and I KNOW for a fact that the whole back row would be looking at each other and whispering "FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!!!"

I once read the actor did it as a joke, but the director liked it, as it actually suited the character

kinda showed Mozart as a nervous man

So Mozart didn’t laugh like that? I wondered how that was determined.

It is great the ending throwing him in potters grave.when was genius

Wonder if he really laughed like that, guess we'll never know.

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@@Andrew-Johnson🙏🏽

We can learn from the new kid if he is very good.

I hate it when that happens 😠

@@wendykalman9975 You'll be hating throughout the remainder of your life then haha

@@AK-tx1vg It was a joke you obviously don't understand. I'm a 67 year old retired physician. Are you actually trying to get banned from this platform? Having to create new accounts on new devices is a headache. Think about it.

@Wendy Kalman: If you can't cope with comments on the internet, perhaps it's better you stay off. Enjoy your day.

@@alpinoalpini3849 Come on, Joseph clearly could not sight read and struggled to get it right even with sheet music in front of him. But you mean the others of which at least three were musicians, would not be impressed by Mozart remembering the march. I agree with you on that. They would well know that Mozart got in trouble for memorising and later transcribing an entire opera as a child so there would not have been the doubtful and cynical looks when he claimed he had memorised Salieri's March. But that is the mastery of the scene, it enabled non musicians to appreciate Mozart's genius. You say it's condescending to the audience, but what would the alternative be? For Mozart to show that he has memorised three complete movements of a piano sonata? The movie was for mostly non musician audiences not musicians. That being the case, the mastery of the scene was that it conveyed the point well to them. And the beauty of the scene is not just about the musical authenticity and ability displayed by the characters but rather the power play with subtle expressions and tones of voice of the principle characters. It set the whole movie up. You can be purist about things but even as you complain about the movie condescending to the masses, you would have a scene that that would less impactful to them. I don't play chess very well but I am annoyed when two advanced chess players are engaged in a game and some so called genius walks by and moves one pieces and declares 'checkmate'. Non chess players will be left with the impression that the guy is a grand master but chess players know you can't just move one piece in a genius movie like that. But there has to be some balance in order to convey genius, some compromise. If you are a purist about it then you will not be able to craft a scene that works. The scene with Mozart here was for the purpose of both showing his innocent mind and also establishing that he is on an entirely different level to Salieri and the others. It worked very well even though the tiny percentage of the audience will feel it's a little simplistic. Craft is in knowing what solutions work for most people.

I feel the same way. It's a musical treat and an experience in human emotions. The production and scenery spared no expense.

Which ones are the darkest ones?

@@ochaiogbe1936 i am

It was the first movie that made me cry when I was a little kid. I still own it to this day.

So true. Tears

There should have one more scene, where they open a cabinet and discover the additional 600+ pieces not published till after his death.

Ahh, we are the same age.

@@Be.fair.to.all.people_ Edward Elgar, Benjamin Britten and Gustav Holst and GF Handel too

Except the whole story’s a lie. He didn’t kill or harm Mozart in anyway. They were evidently quite close.

joncaju brilliant

@@factbeaglesarebest thats why it's a movieeee

F Murray is a humble servant of acting. Real class act.

@@factbeaglesarebest To be fair, despite Salieri's treachery, they are portrayed as kind of 'friends' in the movie as well. I mean the film clearly makes a point of showing that they 'hang out'. He also didn't literally kill Mozart; it could be argued that he just thinks he did. You can always pretend that Salieri was secretly jealous of Mozart without contradicting the historical facts, simply because we can't know what goes on in other people's heads. So in that way, the film doesn't directly contradict their relationship as friends and also doesn't directly say that Salieri killed Mozart.

Historians believe Mozart had high functioning autism, and although the film doesn’t accurately represent the character of Mozart, the seemingly slight remarks he makes aren’t something he realises is hurtful

@@fletchercalderbank8498 that makes a lot of sense.

@@fletchercalderbank8498 Idiot savant syndrome?

Yes but it's mostly just shit screen writing -a five year old in those days would know more about manners and decorum than most adults do today.

He had a childlike nature. Innocent. Naive to social conventions. ANd that doesn't make him autistic either; it's that he has been sheltered , playing professionally since a kid and maintaining that child like nature . Speaks what he thinks, unflitered much like a kid. He was pure, innocent, genial.

What did she think of it???

given duplicity, humiliating Mozart's wife, desire to crush Mozart and technically causing him to die, as per the movie, I doubt he feared god

@@mirlanashirbekov6011 Most of that was done for the sake of making a good movie. In reality, Salieri was not so evil.

When I saw this movie I realized, OMG Mozart was a "rock star" of his age.

The thing is the movie shows you that salieri wasnt truly god fearing, since he wasnt humble, him not being humble is a main theme in the movie

@@SpywareEverywhere yeah this is fiction

Indeed and the acting even in the smaller parts was top drawer. Patrick Hines as Kappellmiester Bonno and Jonathan Moore as Baron van Swieten in particular. The only actor I thought who overplayed it in one scene was Cynthia Nixon as the maid - where she cries about being frightened - that just didn't work for me. Thankfully there was in particular awful scene deleted where the usually excellent Kenneth McMillan was dreadful. Mind you he was working on Dune at the same time I think as Baron Harkonnen which he played with vigour, shall we say.

@@AGMundy Was that the scene with the dogs?

@@ddivincenzo1194 Yes it was - an awful scene in my opinion which was rightly cut from the theatrical version (but appears in the director's cut - indeed I think the theatrical release was much better overall).

YES!! And in these masterful scenes where Salieri is describing Mozart's Clarinet are so moving and profound, that they are unforgettable to me!! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e86SpKyhnNm2hKs.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pt6XjcZ-rNPPm30.html

It was (a) the music and (b) Prague.

So impressive.

Agreed. This is really going beyond normal writing. The director, producer, writers, all wanting to include something that even a PROFESSIONAL MUSICIAN could listen to, recognize, understand and agree was even possible. Really thinking outside the box...and it added SO much to the movie, showcasing Mozart's brilliance, Salieri's (implied but not actual) mediocrity and the fact that parlor music like this was their entertainment of the day (no TVs, stereos, radio, internet, etc.). Gold.

Grazie Signore!

in deed brilliant film

I thought I heard that piece :D

I love the bit where he chuckles at something Mozart says, then looks around and knows he shouldn't have. His face immediately droops 😂

Actually he is the kapellmeister Giuseppe Bonno. Here on youtube there's some of his music.

yess, was gonna say the exact same thing...glad I read your comment first

You can see it much more clear at 09:22

His personality reminds me of Petunia Dursley: jealous but admires magic secretly

Exactly!...😂🤣

Seneca TheFuka "Too many notes" 😜🥂🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶

Natural born talents are wonderful, but I am more impressed by someone for whom the task doesn't come naturally, but they put in the hard work and time to do meaningful work, even if it isn't as good as someone born with a specific gift. Mozart was one in a million. I love his music, but I am more impressed by those who've sweated over their efforts.

While he was one of the most talented human beings to ever live, he was practicing extremely vigorously starting at age 3. So he definitely sweat! The “natural talent” that you hear about you typically know of people they worked as hard as possible to beat out the natural talent that had a little less drive.

Yes. When you realize that. Hard to accept. Amadeus had the God given gift. Many are called. Few are Chosen.

Agree with your observation

So he was the second John von Neumann! 😉👌🏼

Wonder how he functions as an adult?

@@Snapepet That kind of persin is a child for a lifetime.

@The Uberman That guy has Savant Syndrome or a very specific case of High Functioning Autism, or High Functioning Aspergers. Though perhaps instead he may just have Exceptionally High Intelligence, Work Ethic and stuff.

yes. But people who claim to "never" study are often the people who study the hardest.

Lol - Salieri's Mince face!

Hulce is great as Mozart.

Thanks. It's virtually impossible to figure it out without your insightful summary.

Thanks Captain obvious

what I just noticed on the billionth rewatch, is that Mozart's not trying to show off or one-up Salieri. He genuinely looks over and seeks Salieri's approval on his variation.

@@disgruntledcashier503 Mozart actually didn't take kindly to being questioned or challenged on his abilities so he would often make others regret it by playing over the top just to make sure they knew not to do it twice. This he wrote in several letters to family.

Thankfully Einstein here had it all figured out for us.

ha me too! I am a very good chess player, and have beaten the vast majority of many seasoned opponents. Then one day....I played a true chess prodigy, this was 1998, and I still feel the bruising.

@@thepianist7084 10 year old Nakamura? :)

I do envy the people that are gifted.... You can have all the skilled in the world and develope it for many years only to have someone with pure talent take it away. I totally understand where Salieri was coming from.

Ability builds on ability. Mozart learned to play the piano from his father, a master in his own right, at 3 years old, the same time normal kids are learning language. He was made to practice like it was a full time job from very early childhood.(with modern views it would probably be considered child abuse) We think of kids as dumb and they are but the speed that they pick stuff up is much faster then an adult. He wasn't special, just a human molded, almost from birth, to understand music.

pspicer777 yes. The first seven years are critical. If parents don’t care, a Child becomes mediocre

I never get tired watching the whole movie.

Same here.

I love how startled everyone gets when he laughs 😄

His laughter had come under question by some. I think some historians. That he didn't laugh that way in real life.

I agree. Also Mozart did not stick to the theme of a "Welcome March". As he was improvising,(showing off😊), the piece was not a march anymore. I love this movie!

We'll, he DID say it was just a trifle

OK I guess

Yes - all the actors were superb in even the smallest of roles - a movie gem - to be watched many times for the pure enjoyment of such skillful acting -

Me too 😁

Now that you said it...

Well, definitely too tall. Mozart was said to be surprisingly small by people who saw him the first time -- probably barely over 5 foot.

In a painting, but Jeffrey Jones looks identical to Emperor Joseph II

I always thought he looked like Adam West, I kept waiting for him to put on a cowl and go fight crime

So appreciative of your comment:)

Salieri's melody in this scene was trite, mechanical, a mere finger exercise, clever at best. Mozart gave it emotion and drama.

JudgeJulieLit The emperor wasn’t a professional piano player he was an emperor with other things to do besides become highly skilled on piano. Salieri simply wrote something the emperor could easily read and play Mozart’s version was better but would also be harder to play I’m not sure the emperor could play that

The pity of it all is that Salieri is good enough that he's the only one who can really understand how much better Mozart is.

WILLIAM TELL totally agreed. Love that little part. If you play music you’ve witnessed it and it’s a really cool feeling.

@Gene Connor Unfortunately he was very sick for the last few years of his life. I live in Prague, and had a great fortune to be in the company of Milos Forman, sharing a cigar (which he was a big fan off - he actually has a cigar named after him " The Demonio - Milos Forman") and conversation, several years after he directed Amadeus.

I have never seen this film and I jumped every time at that loud chortling too. 😂

but he didn't before. It might have been the actor's reaction, out of role :)

That is acting at its best.

I couldn't agree more!

And I love how it cast in its leading roles lesser known "character actors." Jeffrey Jones in particular shone in this.

Only pop music.

no clue what you mean Housa lol!

and one of the best scenes of it to boot.

Great character and performance

Ed Rooney

Everyone was cast perfectly, even the extras, it really is an amazing accomplishment

@John And Abbey : WOW, I didnt know that, what a shame, he was always brilliant in all of his roles, did he make Ed Wood after all of that?

Well, there it is.

LMAO.

Nice eye!

Hweheheheha!

Jeffrey jones is brilliant

@@davidevans3227 and great casting! Shows us what the flesh and blood human behind those old stiff, stylized portraits would have looked like IRL.

You're spot-on about everything you said, EXCEPT - Salieri's compositions were NOT second-rate. What to speak of real life, the movie itself does not even convey this. Its presentation of Salieri is as an accomplished and gifted composer, and the pieces that were selected for the film as examples of his work are inspiringly beautiful and expertly arranged. One of the OTHER main points of this masterpiece, in fact, that goes along with the point you mentioned, is that Salieri's supposed "mediocrity" is only in his OWN mind. At the beginning, not many people seem to remember him, but remember, too: the priest had heard Mozart's tune, but certainly didn't know it was Mozart, either. Think: other than this one instance, which takes place MANY years later, is there another example of ANYONE else in the movie who seems to think that Salieri is second-rate, or a mediocrity? --And don't say the people at the mask-party who all laugh hysterically at Wolfie's impression of him. They are likely supposed to be QUITE intoxicated at that point, for one, and two, I feel it is quite clear that they are laughing at Mozart's comic antics in general, NOT specifically because THEY feel that Salieri is some uptight, talentless, farting bufoon.

He says "Grazie, Signore", not "Signori". Only "Signore" is referred to God and comes from the ancient latin language, "Dominus". "Signori", is referred to generic "men".

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Absoloutely. I wonder what Mozart actually died from. I heard a story of an infected tooth that caused blood poisoning. May that be true? Or was it the collapse after overwork like portraied in this movie? Your heard Sallieri saing before "But the actual killing.... is something different. How could one do such." So he had no plan for actually killing Mozart and so he was lucky that he vanished almost mirically like his father before.

I mean like Sallerie's father. Of course

"passed", Applesauce? Passed??? What was it he passed then? Wind? Water? An exam? The freeway exit? His partner's 4NT bid? No, he didn't pass anything, did he? He DIED. So why can't you bring yourself to say it?

@@falfield Have you ever wondered whether you are like this because you have no friends, or if you have no friends because you are like this? It's the later. The reason we use euphemisms for death is because people experiencing loss, and grieving, or who might not have heard of someone's passing often find a callousness regarding death upsetting, so we break the news as softly and politely as possible. That's what it looks like when you think of others, rather than just basking in our own idiosyncratic selfish thought process. If you ever want to crawl out of that coffin of loneliness you've found yourself in you might consider that you are the problem and not the world around you. You can be better!

@@falfieldredditor

It is good instruction for us today with other things. For example, I see a lot of financial schemes that promise to make people rich and it's all cloaked in "doing good things" or becoming rich "so that we can promote God's work" etc. Seems unfair to put that onto God's shoulders, like we know what's better for us than He does or something. In any case, it's a great movie, even if inaccurate about certain things.

I don't know much about Salieri but what this movie make of him is somehow cruel for his memory... Not being as talented as the great Mozart does not make someone a ''monster'' of some sort... They made a ''vilain'' of him for the purpose of the film, not because he really was, if I understand correctly. There is also no doubts that Mozart is a bit caricaturized in this film, his attitude, laughs, etc., This is exagerated. They probably went by the rule: ''Don't let the facts destroy a great story.''

He did teach mozarts son after he passed

He wasted his time as God ain't real.

@@richardshiflett5181 is that so?

Jesus аnswered, “I аm the wаy аnd the truth аnd the life. No one comes to the Fаther except through me. John 14:6 ⭐✝

My 1st girlfriend from high school, and I ,saw it in the theater when it came out in 84’. Then we were always renting a top loader and a couple of tapes every Friday night with this film included quite a bit.

Yes, and he died because he wasn't being paid enough money to live on despite composing the Magic Flute.

Nevertheless, the sheer volume of music he left to us...completely mind-boggling. To say that Mozart was prolific would be the greatest understatement of all time. Died at the age of 35. From about age four or five, he must have been composing virtually every waking moment of his life.

I feel like he gave all he had to give, hence he is so memorable.

Same with Big L

I like to wonder what he would have been able to come up with using modern technology. Jarr and Oldfield give us little glimpses of what a "Mozart" type could gift us with :~)

I love the scenes where Salieri gets owned by Mozart

That was awesome. Showed that Mozart had the music in his head; he just spilled it out on paper.

This is a figment of imagination from Puskin's Amadeus.Salieri has written well over 15 Operas in his lifetime and every single half note is different from the 15 plus operas !

Mozart is just following the highly restricted classical style.Anybody has some brain can figure out anything. They are all pretty well the same until Beethoven came along who smash them into pieces !

That sounds incorrect to me. Mozart and Haydn are the best known "classical"era composers (so imagine Salieri would be part of same period. ) Mozart was most definitely NOT Baroque. And while Beethoven bridges two periods, the two periods are classical and romantic - baroque was history by the time Beethoven started composing.

'That doesn't really work, does it?'

@@johnn.marshall4566 "Grazie, Signore."

I've wondered who else noticed this!

Excellent observation!

He thought Chris Hanson walked in.

@@abrahamlincoln9758 -LMAO! That's funny right there, I don't care who you are.

"Talent" by definition is an innate ability, not taught. A "skill" can be taught to those with no innate ability to discover a process by themselves.

Mozart had the highest level of talent AND he was essentially trained in music from birth by a competent musician (his father). Very few people in history have reached the peak of human potential in their craft. If Mozart wasn't at the true peak, he was right next to it.

Beautifully said!

That says a lot about the Democratic Party in Trump's America. :)

It also speaks volumes about flat earthers. “You’re a genius if people universally disagree with you” is pithy nonsense

@@fieuline2536 you're a genius if 'the dunces' disagree with you, and today's Democrats, those promoters of censorship, gender confusion, racist identity politics, and 'man made climate change' while refusing to live like the Amish to stop adding to it, are most assuredly, 'the dunces'.

@@mediamattersismycockholste562 yup, the republicans, under the dunce in chief, are definitely intellectuals by comparison.

MediaMatters IsMyCockHolster that is an impressively stupid outlook on the world

Kitty McRatSlayer In the end,somebody who saw that 😂

It's creepy as hell and I love it 😂

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Kitty McRatSlayer exactly!! I love it too

HE WAS SHOOKETH

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As an artist, I have felt like Salieri many times. :/ The story nailed that feeling.

there is no proof that mozart and salieri ever met.

@@TheresaPowers he’s talking about the character in the movie hun…thank you for your transcending insights

@@TheresaPowers I'm sorry there is tons of proof that they not only knew each other but where not the enemies this movie would have you believe. The fact that Salieri and Mozart were both composers and played in the same country at the same time would make it almost impossible for them not to have met several times. Plus, Mozart's best friend an Irishman named Michael Kelly stated that at dinners "Salieri could make jokes about anything." If Mozart's best friend is hanging with Salieri listening to jokes I can assure you Mozat was there as well. Remember unlike in the movie they were only 6 years apart in age and both lived in Vienna at the same time.

@@TheresaPowers And there’s no proof they didn’t. Your point?

Yeah, me too. He likes Mozart but is not allowed to by the others, Hahaha. They should make a GIF from his laugh...

Anyone kno that small piece right after solieri say's at end to priest "leave me alone" then plays small piece im trying figure out that name of song dammit im not stop till i kno it its awesome

he is the epitome of the a jolly Englishman! I truly chuckle at that smile and head nod!

Haha yes, and the others looking angrily at him because of it

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