Amateur Telescope Making

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Arvind Paranjpye

Arvind Paranjpye

Күн бұрын

A Short video guide to How To Make a Reflecting type Newtonian Telescope
Please do visit sites.google.com/site/diy100atm/
Please email me -- paranjpye.arvind@gmail.com
I have been making and teaching how to make an amateur telescopes since about early 1980s, first in Bangaluru (or Bangalore as it was known then) and after that in Pune since about 1992.
The video was made in November 2001 by Supria Pandit who was the student of Educational Multimedia Research Centre (Pune) as a part of her curriculum under the guidance of Vivek Apte.

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@HeyApos
@HeyApos 7 жыл бұрын
Respect! Thats the spirit of John Dobson and amateur (!) telescope making. Thanks.
@almonzowilder4091
@almonzowilder4091 8 жыл бұрын
I keep thinking of Laura Palmer. This is the first time I've seen the chemical deposition of silver to create the mirror surface.
@manishbhoola
@manishbhoola 8 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video. Very nice to see an India video from IUCAA India on a science which has rich traditions in India. I currently own a Skywatcher 8" and have owned quite few smaller ones since my school early college days and all my own pocket money !! My daughter too enjoys this hobby whenver I now get the chance to set it up and watch the skies from my busy daily life and job !! Great video have subsribed for more such good videos !!
@primoroy
@primoroy 7 жыл бұрын
I read about this over 50 years ago but had never seen it demonstrated. It is simpler than reading about it. Thank you.
@chuffpup
@chuffpup 7 жыл бұрын
I am so impressed by your skill and resourcefulness. Have always wondered how this was done by hand. Brilliant, thanks.
@johnjriggsarchery2457
@johnjriggsarchery2457 7 жыл бұрын
Wow, it's rare that I actually watch a video twice in a row, but I'm watching this one again.
@paranjpye
@paranjpye 7 жыл бұрын
J R's Place do let us know when you make your telescope
@jimmyjayant8072
@jimmyjayant8072 6 ай бұрын
Extremely informative video. I hope you will upload more telescope making video in time.
@dilipsharan8699
@dilipsharan8699 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. Back to basics method for creating a telescope. loved it
@youtoobtoons
@youtoobtoons 8 жыл бұрын
15:11 "for those who are spectacular like me" hahaaaa, great one
@FORMERxZOMBIE
@FORMERxZOMBIE 8 жыл бұрын
+locoexpo Whaha xD Thát is a good one :')
@ahmdabdallah5811
@ahmdabdallah5811 4 жыл бұрын
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@tankgrief1031
@tankgrief1031 4 жыл бұрын
@@ahmdabdallah5811 "God is nothing like a human being". Quite right. The most obvious difference being that human beings exist.
@chnacr3992
@chnacr3992 3 жыл бұрын
@@ahmdabdallah5811 What is Islam? It says that the Earth was created before the stars and that the Sun revolves around it
@earthlingjohn
@earthlingjohn 3 жыл бұрын
@@chnacr3992 Genesis claims earth created before sun also If religious texts were to be scrutinized by editors and publishers, they would be categorized as *fiction*
@redricmorninglory
@redricmorninglory 8 жыл бұрын
Good video. Thank you for taking the time to make it.
@terryglenweaver
@terryglenweaver 6 жыл бұрын
He gave some very good information about removing his eye glasses. I have watched so many times as people try looking through binoculars while wearing their eyeglasses, which it totally un-necessary.
@yashsvidixit7169
@yashsvidixit7169 3 жыл бұрын
except when your eyes are astigmatic.
@terryglenweaver
@terryglenweaver 3 жыл бұрын
@@yashsvidixit7169 both of my eyes are, yet I can properly adjust binoculars that I do not need my glasses.
@yashsvidixit7169
@yashsvidixit7169 3 жыл бұрын
@@terryglenweaver Wasn't expecting a reply on 2 years old comment. Quite strange, because astigmatic eyes focus light differently in different planes. And bino lens focus light similarly in all planes perpendicular to the lens.
@bobbymorelandjr.7440
@bobbymorelandjr.7440 6 жыл бұрын
This was another great video on the path to building my own reflecting telescope. Accent and all, I was able to interpret the information presented. Thank you, Mr. Arvind Paranjpye and your student for taking the time to share this knowledge Well done. Bobbym59
@bythetimeyoufinishedreadin9083
@bythetimeyoufinishedreadin9083 7 жыл бұрын
What an excellent documentary, thanks for your time
@UpenShenoy
@UpenShenoy 2 жыл бұрын
This is a gem. This is what youtube was meant for
@anthonyj1775
@anthonyj1775 6 жыл бұрын
This looks so fun..much respesct ty sir from USA. ❤
@mohansinghrawat4324
@mohansinghrawat4324 7 жыл бұрын
amazing work .. by you guys.. i am also going to buit my 8" telescope.
@johnryan2193
@johnryan2193 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you and your students for making this informative video , good luck with your skywatching .
@DouglasASean
@DouglasASean 9 жыл бұрын
this was a grate video, thank you for posting it - cant wait to try it with the kids
@EliHajagos
@EliHajagos 7 жыл бұрын
grate video lol...puns
@paranjpye
@paranjpye 7 жыл бұрын
thanks
@ElPalomodelaSierra
@ElPalomodelaSierra 8 жыл бұрын
I loved the video! Great information!
@sudhir.mishra
@sudhir.mishra 4 жыл бұрын
I am a physics faculty used to teach students of class XI & XII. I must say, it is a very useful and informative video.
@shiftgood1
@shiftgood1 3 жыл бұрын
NICE! Really economical, and delivery is professional. Thanks so much. Of course, I speak in the name of the "Movements" of the 21st Century. Basically: search for Higher Power (secret name of such movement, and separate oneself movement.). Again, Good job. Complete, within all's means, as well as not verboise. Praise to YOU all, and secret name of [your] Higher Power.
@ringofart
@ringofart 3 жыл бұрын
I've been wanting to make my own for years gonna have a go after watching this
@smash72cutlass30
@smash72cutlass30 7 жыл бұрын
I'm not seeing the two daughters bouncing out to the club anytime soon. Lots more grinding left to do.
@janedrill
@janedrill 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting. I found it most interesting,
@kaleblarry2590
@kaleblarry2590 7 жыл бұрын
I can listen to this guy all day! I love the Indian accent!
@archana5595
@archana5595 3 жыл бұрын
That's fantastic . Paranjape Sir is always great.
@firozdang
@firozdang 10 жыл бұрын
Great work Arvind...
@436arun
@436arun 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this amazing Technique to prepare primary mirror.
@Shivamkhandelwal
@Shivamkhandelwal 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this beautiful video. Very informative I am trying to create a telescope myself and this was a great help.
@wellardbr
@wellardbr 10 жыл бұрын
Dear Mr. Arvind, I am delighted after seeing this video. Thank you for posting it, thank you for doing what you do, and thank you for being who you all are. It is refreshing and encouraging to see female students involved in science and astronomy. I intend to check the availability of carborundum powder, as well as the basic glass disc blocks here in Israel, but I feel much more confident that I can do it and, hopefully, get my bright grandson (with the Angry Birds hat in the picture) interested in astronomy. A heartfelt thank you to you and your great team. Great work!
@paranjpye
@paranjpye 10 жыл бұрын
Thanks Aharon Konforti - for your comments. Do let me know if you need some help in getting the carborundum powder
@FrancisOReillyTelescopemaker
@FrancisOReillyTelescopemaker 9 жыл бұрын
This is an excellent video. Thank you for posting. You use slightly different methods than I use. I learned something watching your video. I hope that the young ladies are enjoying their telescope.
@paranjpye
@paranjpye 8 жыл бұрын
+Francis OReilly - sorry for the late reply - could you tell me your method - or what the difference? This video is made some 20 years ago - one of the young ladies is a professor of astronomy and the other one staying in Landon doing community services
@ripondebnath9575
@ripondebnath9575 3 жыл бұрын
Help me to make
@carluchoparis
@carluchoparis 10 жыл бұрын
This is a very interesting video... Great work! By the way, a well calibrated spherometer will guide you towards your goal radius of curvature regardless of the sunlight test. It's good to do both tests anyways... but the spherometer, if small enough, will give you the different radii of curvature of each point of the surface. That way you can tell how the curvature changes along the surface, giving you an idea of the surface figure while grinding... Quite enlightening...
@hyqhyp
@hyqhyp 5 жыл бұрын
Beautifully done.
@SiddharthAnvekar
@SiddharthAnvekar 9 жыл бұрын
You really are spectacular sir :-p !!! Nice Vid!
@HirenParmar123
@HirenParmar123 9 жыл бұрын
Siddharth Anvekar haha i though I am the only one who noticed it :)
@paranjpye
@paranjpye 9 жыл бұрын
Siddharth Anvekar Ha Ha I said so
@tullimama7746
@tullimama7746 7 жыл бұрын
Arvind Paranjpye sir i need your help
@LossyLossnitzer
@LossyLossnitzer 7 жыл бұрын
thank you - nice simple explanation
@_P.K.
@_P.K. 7 жыл бұрын
excellent video sir
@pmcelraft
@pmcelraft 4 жыл бұрын
This is why America is behind in science and math, I would have loved this on school
@elisamcgann1210
@elisamcgann1210 6 жыл бұрын
I will continue my a mature research with this video. Thank you very much guys! Omg! You answered all my questions.
@arfaberkahtv1065
@arfaberkahtv1065 4 жыл бұрын
Bro what the name a material ini 9:20
@dineshvyas
@dineshvyas 4 жыл бұрын
@@arfaberkahtv1065 it is Asphalt the material used to make roads.
@a_s_mikael
@a_s_mikael 2 жыл бұрын
afarin, besyar besysr khoob bood👍
@skypointdotin112
@skypointdotin112 2 жыл бұрын
Good tutorial to learn making of Telescope mirror ..
@cosmin12365
@cosmin12365 4 жыл бұрын
An indian tutorial as always GOD DAMMIT
@shantimirpeace
@shantimirpeace 6 жыл бұрын
I have read, that after grinding, the shape of the mirror is spherical. Because one needs parabolic mirror, there should be additional grinding at the rim. This kind of putting the reflective coating is relatively easy to make for people like me. Otherwise, there are other methods using evacuated vessels. Thank you for sharing :)
@QuantumMechanic_88
@QuantumMechanic_88 7 жыл бұрын
This is fascinating & my respect sent to anyone who makes their own lenses by hand . Thank you very much .
@paranjpye
@paranjpye 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comments
@calvin4579
@calvin4579 8 жыл бұрын
Hi Mr. Arvind. I'm starting build mine too. As of now I'm trying to understand how lenses and Newtonian telescope works, while doing that I'm also thinking of alternatives as abrasives for grinding the mirror. I find sand a good one as we have bunch of sand here for construction purposes, but I don't think I can reach the 2000grit something by just using my mother's marble mortar pestle and also time consuming. So my solution to have a shiny surface will be once I almost reach the curve to make it parabolic using fine sand, I will use some low grit sandpaper like 500 until the previous scratches are shallow enough for 2000 to make it shiny enough to polish. Am I doing it right??? LOL I saw some dudes doing it to their car headlights, I hope it also work the same to glasses. Based on what I read, the ideal size of the mirror for beginner builders like me is 20cm diameter. If I succeeded then I will do the biggest I can make since I pretty much know how the telescope works and made. The glass type I'm gonna use is tempered one tho. Please tell me if it's wrong to use. Btw I'm living near the equator and seeing a blue sky is just a normal day to us so not that much particles that might affect the image quality, we live in 3 storey house and I find the terrace boring having one gives people around here sth fun to look at. The eyepiece part is really bugging me. As of now I have a very blur idea how it works. I hope I can make an improvised one for my mirror or else I'm going to be forced to buy one. Don't wanna spend as much as possible. But anyway I'm documenting the whole progress from scratch, If lucky that succeeded I will share it so everyone can do theirs too to see what's up in there and ofc out of available materials we have. Sorry for long comment.
@ryanyon2391
@ryanyon2391 10 жыл бұрын
very incormative thank you
@ayu12641
@ayu12641 4 жыл бұрын
From where do you source the glass blanks in India? Also is there any supplier that aluminise the polished mirrors?
@pr4wn5tar
@pr4wn5tar 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, good job to everyone involved. Really inspiring to see hand-made equipment!
@user-cr1dr5oo4o
@user-cr1dr5oo4o 2 жыл бұрын
Молодцы какие девчонки, в каждой бы школе так
@muthumukesh7872
@muthumukesh7872 18 күн бұрын
What a classic 👏🏼
@SunilSharma-wl5op
@SunilSharma-wl5op 2 жыл бұрын
Nice interesting work👍👍👍👍👍👍
@peterxyz3541
@peterxyz3541 4 жыл бұрын
Focal length check...that is a cool technique!
@zoesdada8923
@zoesdada8923 4 жыл бұрын
I love the music from twin peaks
@davidhenderson1073
@davidhenderson1073 9 жыл бұрын
Excellent, I am glad you're teaching (young) people to do this. Working with the hands, and these kinds of skills need to be promoted. You made silvering look easy, I am almost tempted to give that a try.
@paranjpye
@paranjpye 9 жыл бұрын
David Henderson - I teach anyone one who is interested - please give it a try - silvering has become a bit too expensive but it is worth a try -
@petersmith264
@petersmith264 Жыл бұрын
This was very informative and interesting to watch. It was good to see the girls learning these skills. One question I have. The silvering process seemed to result in a kind of blotchy and dull surface. Can the surface like this be used in a telescope? Mirror surfaces are normally quite uniform and reflective.
@platina201112
@platina201112 9 жыл бұрын
Sir, which kind of eye piece is correct for reflecting type telescope?Normal convex type or ready made eye piece which is used in camara or microscope?
@platina201112
@platina201112 9 жыл бұрын
Dear sir,Will you tell me which is the best focal ratio for 6 inch,8 inch,10 inch mirror blanks for home made reflecting type Newtonian telescope?what is the best thickness for mirror blanks?And which side i should silvering? Arvind Patel(Gujarat)
@ChanderDevgun
@ChanderDevgun 10 жыл бұрын
Fantastic Arvind!!!
@sandeepjayakumar3680
@sandeepjayakumar3680 9 жыл бұрын
Dear Sir Arvind, this is a very inspirational video for an astronomy student like me to create a telescope from scratch. It would be immensely helpful if you could guide me through the entire procedure. Once again, thanks a lot for the video
@paranjpye
@paranjpye 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comments and appriciations
@gunnarjensen5910
@gunnarjensen5910 3 жыл бұрын
I have a 12 primary mirror from celestron which needs recoating, but nobody in my country is qualified. How do I proceed with removing the old oxidized aluminium coat an putting a new silver coat. Can you advice ? Else I will have to buy a brand new telescope..
@michaelexman5474
@michaelexman5474 6 жыл бұрын
WOW THAT IS AN AWESOME LECTURE
@paranjpye
@paranjpye 6 жыл бұрын
thanks very much
@cricketfreakcf3069
@cricketfreakcf3069 2 жыл бұрын
Dear sir, I visited IUCCA when I was in 9th std, our school visit, it was v inspiring indeed to see the institute and the newton's apple tree in the garden 🙏🙏 I am planning to make my 1st telescope I have RC8 inches by GSO at the moment but want to make my own, will surely ask questions if I am stuck...
@MrDexterAlpha
@MrDexterAlpha 10 жыл бұрын
Super! Keep up the good work sir! :-)
@james6401
@james6401 5 жыл бұрын
Where do i get the tool to grind the glass? Lovely video thanks
@pammasingh2817
@pammasingh2817 3 жыл бұрын
respected sir thanks for precious knowledge
@martelnews
@martelnews Жыл бұрын
This is very good.... Thank you
@securityandtv1511
@securityandtv1511 7 жыл бұрын
very interesting video
@paranjpye
@paranjpye 7 жыл бұрын
security And TV thanks
@ruchingoel8959
@ruchingoel8959 5 жыл бұрын
Great work. Thanks
@responsebraj
@responsebraj 8 жыл бұрын
Great work sir. I made refracting digital telescope but not astronomical. Since than I am searching to build reflecting one. Thanks a lot. I thought no one build such thing in india.!!!
@paranjpye
@paranjpye 8 жыл бұрын
+Brajesh Rai -- thanks. I would like to know what is your digital telescope
@responsebraj
@responsebraj 8 жыл бұрын
Arvind Paranjpye its a refractor with modified USB camera connected with computer that displays magnified video or still image of object.
@paranjpye
@paranjpye 8 жыл бұрын
+Brajesh Rai have you explained it somewhere ? if yes - please send me the link else you should put it at some site
@responsebraj
@responsebraj 8 жыл бұрын
Arvind Paranjpye I didn't explained it any where but will send you through email if you wish. It is simple project. Glad to share with you.
@123reivax123
@123reivax123 2 жыл бұрын
A lovely tutorial... Thank you all
@14Mentalist
@14Mentalist 9 жыл бұрын
You make it look so easy. I might havd to give that a go. Brilliant job mate.
@paranjpye
@paranjpye 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your appreciation - let me know when you start working on your telescope ... all the best..
@14Mentalist
@14Mentalist 9 жыл бұрын
Arvind Paranjpye i will and i might ask for some help at some points lol. Il add a video to thank u
@paranjpye
@paranjpye 9 жыл бұрын
***** please feel free to talk to me ..... most welcome ..
@matifibrahim
@matifibrahim 5 жыл бұрын
Is it ok to use silver nitrate for silvering mirror? I heard it can be dangerous.
@ravikumartm
@ravikumartm 3 жыл бұрын
A very good video.
@suricrasia
@suricrasia 6 жыл бұрын
I love the twin peaks music at the end
@woody5109
@woody5109 2 жыл бұрын
Good stuff guys
@md.khaledhossain1472
@md.khaledhossain1472 8 жыл бұрын
brilliant, i wish i studied with u people.
@Nefertems
@Nefertems 7 жыл бұрын
Do I understand correctly that both your glass blanks begin flat? That there is no "form" to polish against? Is the profile a natural consequence of the grinding technique? Thank you for the video.
@paranjpye
@paranjpye 7 жыл бұрын
Liam Howlett - yes we begin with both blanks flat. And the top blank gets concave shape and the bottom one gets (we call it a tool) convex shape as a result of grinding.
@josephdoherty7394
@josephdoherty7394 5 жыл бұрын
@@paranjpye is the second mirror for focusing flat?
@rupakcr2753
@rupakcr2753 5 жыл бұрын
@@josephdoherty7394 yes it is a flat mirror
@samchau5833
@samchau5833 2 жыл бұрын
Sir what kind of glass did you use, just a ordinary glass blank or Pyrex blank?
@hubsonekka
@hubsonekka 8 жыл бұрын
It must be great feeling watching sky with handmade telescope
@paranjpye
@paranjpye 8 жыл бұрын
yes it is. thanks for this comment of yours. and even greater satisfaction is when you see smile on face of a person whom you helped making his or her telescope.
@day__dreamer16
@day__dreamer16 2 жыл бұрын
Dear sir please reply, What would be the segitta of a 12inch mirror??
@alabilu
@alabilu Жыл бұрын
Is this anyhow possible to silver on top of any plastic surface? Please respond
@yashsvidixit7169
@yashsvidixit7169 3 жыл бұрын
How does this grinding method ensure that the glass will have a spherical surface rather than any other concave profile?
@reynoldfrancis6060
@reynoldfrancis6060 2 жыл бұрын
It doesn't ensure. That's why the Ronchi test is done. If test shows defects, then re grinding is done.
@gigsandbusking8959
@gigsandbusking8959 9 жыл бұрын
Wow, great work
@paranjpye
@paranjpye 9 жыл бұрын
thanks very much
@MassimilianoGallieri
@MassimilianoGallieri 2 жыл бұрын
And it's... Badalamenti! ❤️
@johnlightholder6798
@johnlightholder6798 7 жыл бұрын
Hello... I will be visiting India at the end of May-through August of this year. Would love to visit your facility to learn and help with instruction. I will be in touch in the next next month.... Best regards, John Lightholder
@paranjpye
@paranjpye 7 жыл бұрын
Hi John - would be a pleasure to meet you. Please do send me your itinerary at paranjpye.arvind@gmail.com Let us see if we can spend some time together Arvind
@ncoollkv
@ncoollkv 3 жыл бұрын
Please tell me on which part should coat the mirror
@banday78
@banday78 7 жыл бұрын
Excellent simple video, can u please give details of subtances and procedure on how to silver the polished mirror like vinaya did in video ... thanking u
@paranjpye
@paranjpye 7 жыл бұрын
I have misplaced the silvering formula - I will check and shall get back to you
@farhaj124
@farhaj124 8 жыл бұрын
i want to be a student of this respected man
@paranjpye
@paranjpye 8 жыл бұрын
+Farhaj Syed - I wonder what respected person you are referring too but you are welcome to nehru planetarium, mumbai
@DonalLour
@DonalLour 8 жыл бұрын
I want those girls to give me a "stroke."
@kaleblarry2590
@kaleblarry2590 7 жыл бұрын
+Donal Lour O_O
@elisamcgann1210
@elisamcgann1210 6 жыл бұрын
Farhaj Syed I know right!? I feel comfortable
@ivanrodionov9724
@ivanrodionov9724 4 жыл бұрын
@@DonalLour my God y'all are desperate lol
@zainuldedanwala
@zainuldedanwala 9 жыл бұрын
Sir, thank you for sharing such a valuable information. Sir,can you suggest me whether a chromed surface can do as a mirror. What can be possible shortfalls.
@paranjpye
@paranjpye 9 жыл бұрын
I think the chrome plating is done on the metal only.
@abdonedjimi6869
@abdonedjimi6869 5 жыл бұрын
How to make the polishing tool ? What is this black liquid. ? Thanks
@Vitopa13
@Vitopa13 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like this guy is explaining to me how to achieve the avatar state.
@a_s_mikael
@a_s_mikael 2 жыл бұрын
in which step of make mirror, I can use sandblast?
@tomellsworth2726
@tomellsworth2726 10 жыл бұрын
can you tell me how to determine what your Sagitta should be i have an 8.5 inch blank i am going to be working with thank you for sharing your time with us.
@paranjpye
@paranjpye 10 жыл бұрын
sagitta will depend on the focal length (or f - ratio ) of your mirror please check this link - I have put an link to xls for calculating sagitta basic design | diy100atm or try this www.atmsite.org/contrib/Prewitt/sagitta/
@HoganFan69
@HoganFan69 9 жыл бұрын
fantastic
@premanand7803
@premanand7803 4 жыл бұрын
Hello sir Can you please tell me Where do we get carborandum in India Or any local stores in india
@Darknessfearslight1
@Darknessfearslight1 10 жыл бұрын
Hello sir, where can i get these blank disks? or do you sell any of these disks already made? i'd like to build a telescope
@paranjpye
@paranjpye 10 жыл бұрын
you can get the glass blanks cut from glass vendors
@kamtamdhananjaya124
@kamtamdhananjaya124 9 жыл бұрын
super document
@AgusPcb
@AgusPcb 3 жыл бұрын
This show is good for class
@tangocharlee786007
@tangocharlee786007 7 жыл бұрын
Great Video and Tutorial...
@paranjpye
@paranjpye 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Iftiquar Rahman
@tangocharlee786007
@tangocharlee786007 7 жыл бұрын
Arvind Paranjpye Sir, can you give me the exact chemicals required to do the silver coating on the primary mirror. My mirror is damaged and manufacturer is asking for around 9000Rs including shipping for replacement
@paranjpye
@paranjpye 7 жыл бұрын
Just yesterday on 29th of May 2017 I found my notes on how to silver coat the mirror - within a few days I will post the method. Please wait.
@dimuthumadusanka6994
@dimuthumadusanka6994 2 жыл бұрын
Sir, What are the chemicals that used for the reaction
@stm6192
@stm6192 4 жыл бұрын
Sir ..where can I buy the lens.I am planning for a 20inch Scope...
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