Thanks do I soak in deisel?

​@@JohnSmith-wq8jndid you read thoroughly?he said soaked in gasoline

@@JohnSmith-wq8jni before E except after C does spelling wonders

​@@jkclassy3643weird.

Of course a diesel mechanic would give us a tip that terrible. Gas fumes are still gasoline, ether is better because it doesn’t have as strong of a pre-ignition knock as gas, less potential for damage with ether assuming you don’t put a gallon of it in the intake.

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Facts

At first i didn't notice that commie rice patty hat he had on 😂

Thought it was stupid

Do the Predator headers fit with no modifications?

It has had a smoke stack now and you can tell it breathes a lot better

@@greglewis3382 I believe they do, it just may point in a weird direction.

Does it have some sort of governing system that can be modified/removed so it can go above 3,700

@@RedNeckAdventure there's no benefit to it. I just built one of these to blueprint specs and ported the head and slight porting /shaping on the prechamber and the power still drops off after 3,000. The stock heads on these stink so bad. The valves are completely shrouded, that's the biggest issue.

Used motor oil mixed with gas works much better than veggie oil and doesn't need to be preheated

@@thegman4759 and you could probably a bunch free, just ask auto stores that accepts used motor oil

@@thegman4759 hell no.

@@DieselRamcharger hell no ? What?

@Diesel Ramcharger you make no sense

Shoot that worked out pretty good then

Oh yeah I’ve had a stack on it for a while now. I have a few videos on it.

@@jwsbackyard6413 yea. I just watched this vid the other day. Didn’t realize u had already done it. I just seen it last night 😆 them little diesels are wild.

Because its air cooled it takes a while to warm up. for a deisel with no glow plugs this means the fuel takes much longer to ignite in the cold, causing bad timing.

​@@MADEINNSW Makes sense usually but I've seen colder starts on here that run better. Then again these 3hp or whatever diesels are super bottom of barrel

It's Just because it's a cheap engine quality diesels of this size run completely fine from cold I've started mine down to -10c and it still started first time (robin/Subaru/Fuji)

I used to hydro plan my mini bikes in the orchards.

I came across a video a while back where red beards garage had turbo one of these

Appreciate it, I’ve got some ctane boost, I’ll have to look into the oil and def overdue for an oil change

@@jwsbackyard6413 The last one I bought about 6 years ago had a lot of contamination after the first hour run time. The shell Rotella 15W40 diesel oil is the best I find in these engines. Has a lot of zinc in it witch is a good thing. Also when you add the 2 stroke oil it doesn't make it smoke any more than it already does

Gotcha

its a flat tappet cam so it really needs oil with zink in it

More of an issue if there's glow plugs. Back in the day diesels had ether injection for cold starts before glow plugs.

@@soberlife depends on a few things like volume, if it's two stroke boost pressure and the compression ratio. You can use either on an old Detroit but it'll just cause small diesels to detonate and bust rods.

Ether won't hurt a diesel. Done it hundreds of times and the outcome is always the same. They started. Its a total myth that it will destroy them. Glow plugs don't really like it, but regardless won't destroy an engine. Go watch zip ties n bias plies. He makes fun of this myth a lot while he is doing it.

He forgot to turn the throttle from "shut off" to "on". On all of these mechanical small diesel engines the lowest throttle position is "off" for the fuel = No fuel goes to the injector.

Not true.... No, just no

Oh yeah this one does the same, the issue was that I hadn’t primed the fuel system correctly at the start.

I ran a cable through the throttle stop screw that it has from factory. The stop screw is hollow and allows for a throttle cable to pass through but has a bigger cup that will hold the outer sheath of the throttle cable. Then I ran the cable through one of the holes in the throttle lever and put a cable stop on the cable. I put the cable stop on low enough that it always keeps a little tension on the throttle lever so that the engine will idle instead of returning all the way to stop. The red knob has to be loose so that the throttle will return to idle smoothly and not get stuck wide open. I will try to post a video of the setup soon.

Just uploaded a video of the throttle cable setup

That’ll be interesting

The sad part is 95% of ppl believe in it all, all the EPA REG, the emissions systems, it’s all bullshit. U do the math. An old 12 valve manual truck can do high 20s freeway mileage wise. They are million mile engines: u gotta build 3-4 trucks today to get that mileage. Not to mention the new ones get 13mpg. So they are burning 3x the fuel. Ppl also don’t factor in old diesels can run on crude. It done even need to to be burned to petroleum. The USA sits on more crude than anyone in the whole. It makes zero sense: ppl need to understand the gov is not on our team. It’s us and them. And we will continue to get shit on til ppl wake up: I may sound like a crazy xtremelist but I’m not. I’m just not being fooled by either side of the isles.

I appreciate it! Yeah the cable to the decompression seemed to be the best option. I have the cable and brakes I just need to get it on. You’ve got me interested now in the horizontal shaft to vertical transition now. I don’t have any suggestions at the moment. I’m going to have to look into it and let you know if I see anything promising.

This thing is heavy! It’d be rough on a bike. You’d yank the bike off the ground before getting it started.

@@jwsbackyard6413 tricycle for adults then...

It’s a 20mm output shaft, most are 19mm, so it’s hard to find an affordable option. I shaved the output shaft down a mm so I could fit a standard 3/4 on it. I’m using a 30 series comet torque converter on it but it’s not quite strong enough to hold the belt with as heavy as the kart is.

It did not come with a key. I filed the crank down mm and a standard 3/16 key fit.

So far I have done zero maintenance on any part of this engine since I posted the video and it cranks 1st pull almost every time. The rubber fuel hose has started to crack on the outside which seems premature so it will probably need replacement soon.

The lever doesn’t have a ton of movement but that lever is what shuts off the flow of fuel. When you prime the fuel you have to have the throttle control open as if you are pressing the gas, otherwise the fuel is cut off. That was a mistake I made.

@@jwsbackyard6413 The lever only moves about 1/16 of an inch. I have the throttle control set nearly half way and still no fuel. I may have to return this engine.

Yeah I have had the pump out but haven’t opened the side cover up to see how the linkage really functions.

This kart was $25, is over 30 years old and was rotting in someone’s yard for the past 15 years. It’s not perfect but it works.

Timming has slipped

or to much fuel is getting into cyl

@@jockwilson221 its brand new and I don’t think it’s doing it anymore, it hasn’t yet.

@@jockwilson221 predator 212 doesn’t have timing chain

Dont listen to Jockwilson. This is an issue that we have come to accept with the 212. The engine has a built in decompression lobe on the camshaft that is designed to open the exhaust valve slightly during compression to make starting it easier. When the engine reaches its idle rpm, this lobe gets flung with centrifugal force, disconnecting the decompression. Most likely, im assuming you are starting the engine hot. Due to the extra force of the compression stroke, the engine likes to stop on said stroke if you shut off the engine,(if that makes sense) Due to this, the decompression often doesnt get a chance to trigger, leading to full compression of the engine, which means it fires before the piston reaches TDC, leading to the engine kicking back, as the term is named. What I like to do, is to pull it past said compression stroke gently, and once you pass it, you then give it a hard yank to start the engine. It might make you look like a pussy, but trust me, its worked fine for me every single time. The second more unlikely possibility is that somehow, the valve lash on the exhaust valve has changed, (aka the space between the rocker arms and valve stems) leading to the engine becoming insensitive to the slight opening of decompression, which means you need to manually recalibrate the valve lash on the engine, which you can find lots of videos about on youtube. Good luck on it!

Here’s the video on how I did it. How To Hook Up A Working Throttle Cable On a 196cc Chinese Diesel Engine kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bp5odKZ3mq3OmWg.html

Thanks I will have to look into that

I've got the same engine you do. Going to be testing some of these theories later this week. Did a diesel swap on my Massimo 220U minibike.

I think the cam has an extra lobe to drive the injection pump via a pushrod.

@@Possumliving Darn. Guess that leaves the camshaft compatibility out.

@@FreidPickles Cool. Hope the tests went/are going good (my reply is late, I'm sorry lol).

@@ChickenwithaHelmet haha hey no problem. I've been lazy and busy with other projects but will be working on it when the weather cools off.

I have a selection of garter springs to change engagement speeds on 30 series torque converters as wheel as yellow springs for the driven pulley if needed. Axle and jack shaft sprockets can also be changed here for different results but with an unknown engine and no one knows what changes to the converter are going to work for the setup until they get it together and try it out. I’ve changed the driver and jackshaft sprocket since this video and the kart is much faster.

Honestly the power of this thing is pretty lack luster. It’s been reliable though.

​@jwsbackyard6413 this engine runs at half the RPM of a predator 212 (3600 vs 1800 rpm) I bet with a properly sized pulley, it could pull pretty well.

I would say it was a little better than gas. Not a ton but a little.

It’s just diesel in a red can

I definitely fill it up less than my gasoline engines for the same running time. Don’t have any numbers but there is a noticeable difference.

It was some 10w30 motorcraft diesel oil

I know there is a needle in the pump that retracts and allows for more fuel but I haven’t had the side cover off to see exactly how it’s being controlled.

@@jwsbackyard6413 Thank you

They cost around $250-$300 range

It’s around $250

@@jwsbackyard6413 Thanks for the info.

Yeah it’s a Murray Explorer

I would be very unlikely that I would be able to source and crank with a 3/4 shaft that would fit this engine and it would be a bit more work to swap the crank rather than just taking a mm off.

@@jwsbackyard6413 They make them for the 196cc colemans so that's why I ask. Other than the diesel parts that make it a diesel I imagine everything else is interchangable.

@@martinwagnerproductions Usually diesel internals are a bit sturdier than gas engines because of the increased stress. I’d be surprised if they where interchangeable but I could be wrong.

@@martinwagnerproductionsThat would be a definite no. These diesel engines have a slightly longer stroke, have an extra gear to drive the fuel pump, and is overall more sturdy to handle the extra compression. Unless you want to make your crankshaft turn into a frag grenade, dont use a gas crankshaft.

@@TacticalPhoenixYT appreciate the insight. Was unsure. So dumb they can’t just make them standard 3/4. Like… just take off less metal lol

To be fair, how the hell are you going to get a glow plug without a seperate electrical system?