AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D CPU Review & Benchmarks

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This review looks at AMD's new Ryzen 7 7800X3D CPU, integrating their "V-Cache" (or vertical cache) on top of a single-CCD configuration adjacent the I/O die. Unlike the AMD R9 7950X3D and AMD R9 7900X3D, this only contains one 8-core chiplet, and so should actually have some advantages in gaming scenarios when frequency isn't the main concern. Those advantages primarily show vs. the 7900X3D, which ends up a 6-core CPU (with SMT) when using the core parking feature to reduce cross-CCD latency on cache hits. Our review today primarily benchmarks the R 7 7800X3D vs. the i7-13700K, R9 7900X3D, R7 5800X3D, and 7950X3D.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - R7 7800X3D
02:22 / 02:55 - 3D V-Cache Challenges & 7800X3D Specs
04:00 - The Problem
05:07 - Core Parking on 7950 & 7800 X3D
06:18 - 7800X3D Frequency vs. 7700X
07:28 - 7800X3D All-Core Power Consumption
08:20 - Power Efficiency Benchmark
09:01 - Frametime Comparison Explainer
10:51 - CSGO Frametime Plot
11:35 - Cyberpunk Frametime Plot
12:38 - Far Cry 6 Frametimes
13:14 - FPS Benchmarks: Tomb Raider (1080p, 1440p)
14:23 - CSGO Best CPU Benchmarks 2023 (1080p, 1440p)
15:27 - FFXIV CPU Benchmarks 7800X3D vs. 13700K
16:18 - Far Cry 6 CPU Benchmarks
17:02 - Cyberpunk 2077 CPU Benchmarks Intel vs. AMD
17:30 - F1 2022 CPU Benchmarks
18:22 - Total War: Warhammer III Benchmarks
19:02 - Production Benchmarks - Blender Rendering
20:00 - Chromium Code Compile Benchmarks
20:20 - File Compression & Decompression Benchmarks
21:00 - Adobe Premiere & Photoshop
21:34 - Thermal Explainer
22:37 - Thermal Comparison vs. 7700X
23:25 - Main Points
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@GamersNexus Жыл бұрын

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@blakethompson705 Жыл бұрын

As a 1440p gamer - thank you for those charts!

@plushquasar653 Жыл бұрын

Frame time is important but hard to interpret on those graphs since you are only showing the raw data. Maybe a histogram would be better? (FrameX - FrameXneg1) / [0.5(FrameX + FrameXneg1)

@MonkeyspankO Жыл бұрын

I haven't experienced a time like this, where its pointless to upgrade, in decades.

@chrisfanning5842 Жыл бұрын

Frametime charts are good. We've been used to them as gamers for several years now. On a different topic, could you please explain the OS contamination in a bit more detail.? As a selfish request, do you know if a 5800X3D upgrade from a 3900X on W10 would have the same problems?

@Star_Gazing_Coffee_Lover Жыл бұрын

Keep them charts coming.. Great info!

@joshuamarkusmarkwood Жыл бұрын

Can't wait for UserBenchmark to trash on this CPU for no reason.

@GamersNexus Жыл бұрын

They'll post some kind of indecipherable rant about marketing and KZfaq reviewers, or something.

@alaeriia01 Жыл бұрын

I love UserBenchmark. They write the best comedy "reviews" of AMD CPUs :)

@xWood4000 Жыл бұрын

@@alaeriia01 It's like April 1st all year round

@MarioGoatse Жыл бұрын

“Advanced Marketing Devices” -Untermensch Mark

@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart Жыл бұрын

I wish we had an AI trained on UserBenchmark's rants, it'd be funny to see it make up ridiculous reasons to trash random products.

@supra107 Жыл бұрын

I like the subtlety of the box grabbing part, where all the boxes that fall down are for Ryzen 9 CPU's, which the 7800X3D has dethroned.

@GamersNexus Жыл бұрын

I wish I could say that was intentional...

@chrisfanning5842 Жыл бұрын

@@GamersNexus You can say that. Retcon it.

@lilkidsuave Жыл бұрын

@@chrisfanning5842 he could also call ufd tech to brettcon it

@GamersNexus Жыл бұрын

@@chrisfanning5842 OK - then it was intentional!

@MurCurieux Жыл бұрын

Interesting how we pull meaning out of chaos sometimes. You must be an English major.

@MinosML Жыл бұрын

"...allowing the 7950X3D a lead of 1%! It's massive! Definitely worth hundreds of dollars!" Never change, Steve 😂

@TechGuyBeau 10 ай бұрын

in gaming.

@filipealves6602 10 ай бұрын

Yeah, for those who also need to have multithreaded workloads (even while gaming, like when my wife turns on subtitles on a film, and Plex starts transcoding like crazy in the middle of "muh gaming", you need the extra cores.)

@12me91 9 ай бұрын

But all the people who totally will use content creation and video rendering 24/7 and can't use a tiny 8 core chip it'll take like 6 minutes longer!

@eatmyfishy 5 ай бұрын

@@filipealves6602no what you need is a separate server so you are not a pleb :)

@eatmyfishy 5 ай бұрын

@@12me91I do have to say my 5950x is very nice for AV1 encoding we it can take 24 hours as reasonable settings to encode an entire 4k movie…

@ELMANTEC 9 ай бұрын

I was an LTT fan, but MAAAAN, this channel is so much better. The reviews are soooo good and easy to understand, it is not even the same tier. So happy I discover it! Cheers!

@guccipucci69420 7 ай бұрын

Yeah I had to unsubscribe, tech nerds like the nitty gritty stuff we don’t need a big show put on to enjoy a video

@Krawna 4 ай бұрын

@@guccipucci69420amen

@qwormuli77 2 ай бұрын

To be fair, the channels do largely different things. GN gives knowledge with a side of entertainment, LTT gives entertainment with a side of knowledge.

@johnwayne-ou5yy Ай бұрын

@@qwormuli77 Maybe just me but I enjoy GN's entertainment that much more since it's based on almost satire-like accuracy whereas LTT is cheap slap-stick in comparison (I know this sentence makes me look like an absolute douche but I really can't watch LTT anymore)

@qwormuli77 Ай бұрын

@@johnwayne-ou5yy Honestly, I mostly just agree. My point was about the ratio of humour to brain inflation and not the success at either, but it's true that I probably laugh more at GN regardless.

@doctorwhom8881 Жыл бұрын

I’m glad you included the frame time charts in this one. It’s almost always helpful to have more data available

@SaudadeSunday Жыл бұрын

@@Mrfiufaufou some data is noise, irrelevant

@teemuvesala9575 Жыл бұрын

@@SaudadeSunday Yeah when its not in favor of AMD fanboy arguments, the data is always noise... This is the AMD fanboy logic.

@somapapp2944 Жыл бұрын

@@teemuvesala9575 Idk where that came from. Irrelevant data would be the number of contact points between the mobo and the CPU. I guess it would be fun to know but is otherwise irrelevant to the performance of said CPU. Both for AMD and Intel CPUs it would be noise, for most people at least. Data is data, and it won't be affected by the feelings of some hardcore fanbois. Data doesn't care and that's whats cool about them. Also this is GN we are talking about, they will use every technique and new data in all of their upcoming reviews so it'll benefit everyone.

@diabloterrorgf Жыл бұрын

This data is significant in the VR space when you need to be under 11ms frametimes

@BOZ_11 Жыл бұрын

@@teemuvesala9575 where the feck did that come from? if anyone's a fanboy of something, it's you

@yosharian Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for showing benchmarks at 1440p!

@Alauz Жыл бұрын

The 7800X3D benefits some older games that are simulation heavy, e.g. Factorio, Dwarf Fortress, Rimworld (especially when heavily modded), Tarkov, MMOs such as WOW, Star Citizen. Especially when the multiplayer game has zones with extremely loaded locations, the extra V-cache seems to shine there. Really glad the wait is technically over for reviews of the 7800X3D! Thank you for the great review!

@sensationsuperthrust Жыл бұрын

i hope GN will do an indepth benchmark with games like Tarkov, Squad and those notoriously "upgrade resistant" badly optimized multiplayer shooter engines... Hell Let Lose, Arma 3 etc etc... they just need to figure out a method to get representative and reproducable results. Those games all ought to be scaling only with single core performance but now with x3d its a different story, its very interesting They can cooperate with server admins to keep the conditions consistent from test to test... walk a few predefined routes on a 100 player sever in squad or something...

@bobalazsgaming Жыл бұрын

possibly Arma 3?

@sensationsuperthrust Жыл бұрын

@@bobalazsgaming havent played in ages but it used to be notoriously single core dependent, would be interessting to see how it reacts to the x3d! I dont care whether a cpu gives 400 or 500 fps in some old singleplayer game that happens to have a built in benchmark... I want to see how these cpus handle real world multiplayer conditions in games that are known to be CPU bottlenecked and badly optimized. Those scenarios also happen to be the most challenging to benchmark if you want to do it right... @Gamers Nexus should accept the challenge

@Lovemelikeareptile Жыл бұрын

Dwarf Fortress... Sold!

@MirandaTolman96 Жыл бұрын

What kind of frame rates you been getting in Star Citizen? GPU?

@damienlobb85 Жыл бұрын

that massive increase in power efficiency with the AMD parts cannot be understated. I see the 7950X3D as a fantastic option for someone like me who games and does production. Not only is it much more power efficient than the 7950X but its also faster in gaming and barely loses much in production. I think that's why people were requesting a 3D version of the higher 5000 series.

@InfamousWill 5 ай бұрын

I wanted the 7950X3D as my first option but I have heard a lot of bad things hows it going for you?

@Headgrumble 5 ай бұрын

It doesn't fact in idle power consumtion which is 5 times higher than Intel... it's pretty much similar for basic web browsing and light work.

@PhyrexJ 4 ай бұрын

@@Headgrumbleoh wow 3 dollars a year!

@Hugo-pj4bm 4 ай бұрын

@@PhyrexJmore like 300 if you're from Europe lol

@ptsg 4 ай бұрын

Cries in europe indeed. Idle draw was fixed a bit back though no?

@JKHYT Жыл бұрын

Steve and team, the new set is looking so good. Y'all are killing it. Been waiting on this review, great work as always.

@GamersNexus Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Loving this set. We're still figuring out when to shoot in each location, but it's so nice having multiple spots for a different feel.

@quirkyvfxx Жыл бұрын

@@GamersNexus that's what she said... (love you guys)

@0Blueaura Жыл бұрын

@@GamersNexus I am hoping to see an easter egg/ funny meme on one of the monitors at some point in future. Maybe Steve talking in one of them with the sound coming off from the tv rather than the Steve that stands in the current video talking. :' )

@johni-db4xv Жыл бұрын

@@GamersNexus Need a nice high back chair next to a fireplace for "Fireside chats with Steve"

@deuswulf6193 Жыл бұрын

@@GamersNexus Is there a bathroom you can shoot in for when you review a bad product? Location seems fitting.

@DavidPruitt Жыл бұрын

I love the detailed frametime charts and the explainers when there's a massive excursion. I generally look at the 1% (or 10%) lows over the averages or peak. A more steady frame rate is better than a faster framerate that stutters.

@kotztotz3530 Жыл бұрын

Agreed. I never understood why people get so focused on only average FPS whereas the lows are the most important if you want good overall gaming experiences.

@flatline8580 Жыл бұрын

All cool with the extra explainer time. Always good to bring new people and learners aboard the tech train. Thanks, Steve!

@Frendh Жыл бұрын

I love the power consumption data. I would not mind seeing more scenarios included.

@Dionyzos Жыл бұрын

The efficiency on these chips is mindblowing. I thought my 5600X would be the last sub 100W CPU I will ever own. And all this while being one of the fastest Gaming CPUs and no ridiculous increase in pricing like in the GPU space.

@mintymus Жыл бұрын

i7 is similar efficiency and has it beat in almost every category...

@sophieedel6324 Жыл бұрын

Uh, it's a $500 CPU that requires a $250+ mobo and $150 in 32GB DDR5 to work properly. Maybe 0.01% of gamers will buy this.

@JuliTV123 Жыл бұрын

@@mintymus similar efficiency? 7:56 did you even watch the video? lmao

@rdmz135 Жыл бұрын

@@mintymus not even close to the same efficiency lmao

@rdmz135 Жыл бұрын

@@sophieedel6324 wtf do you need a $250 board for? a $150 one does everything you need, and you dont need 32gb of ram

@tackier52 Жыл бұрын

Personally I like the inclusion of frametime graphs, whenever I'm comparing hardware and OC data I use FT graphs to see improvements or degradation. I hope you keep them in future videos. Also you can go up to 4 data sets, but you should have them draw over each other from left to right each time you show a new one so it's easy to read.

@joshuamaserow Жыл бұрын

Your solder and project mat is the first product that you've made that I'm interested in having. Well done. Looks great.

@E_Sunbro Жыл бұрын

Keep going with the frametime graphs. They are far more telling about an overall gaming experience versus framerate. Having both in the review reveals the whole picture.

@tollph3314 Жыл бұрын

agree specially if u are getting over 60fps in my experience frametimes are so much more important

@RobertVHarrison Жыл бұрын

The set, the lighting, and of course GN's peerless review process...I think this is your best video yet!

@GamersNexus Жыл бұрын

Glad people like the lighting and set!

@brians5724 Жыл бұрын

@@GamersNexus So glad you changed the monitor wall to static images that don't distract from the presenter.

@brothatwasepic Жыл бұрын

1:25 Steve I honestly have been dreaming of a mat like this. Thank you Gamers Nexus!!! ❤

@selohcin Жыл бұрын

I love the chart recap starting at 25:51. I really hope you keep doing that. With all the data presented in a video like this, it's easy to get lost in the weeds.

@lazyone2022 Жыл бұрын

Glad I've waited for the 7800x3d, the delayed release was so suspicious it stunk! Since my PCs main use is gaming this is a great CPU

@griffin1366 Жыл бұрын

I'd love to see it against the 13700k with e-Cores disabled and undervolted.

@saricubra2867 Жыл бұрын

@@griffin1366 The 13700K is more efficient with the e-cores turned on, otherwise, forget 3 watts for iddle power load and get the 40ish watts on Ryzen.

@viniciuslima5021 Жыл бұрын

@@saricubra2867 I'm sorry, but what Ryzen has 40w power draw on Idle?

@MrHamof Жыл бұрын

@@viniciuslima5021 The 5800x 3D certainly reports 40w draw when just watching KZfaq videos, I can't speak to what the Intel does though.

@Davids6994 Жыл бұрын

Yes now you can buy from the stinky guys that tried to trick you

@OnTheRocks71 Жыл бұрын

I like that there's no easy answer between AMD and Intel in this particular segment. Feels like no matter which one you choose, you're getting a great product. I'd probably lean more towards the 7800X3D as I don't use any of that productivity software, and I've been impressed with Zen efficiency in my laptops for years. Another excellent review GN.

@cvc1640 Жыл бұрын

450$ for an 8 core CPU in 2023 is retarded. Straight up. Ask yourself these questions: do you have a 4090? do you play in 1080p? do you play at medium settings? If the answer to all those questions is yes then do you care about 350 vs 400fps? Will the premium actually pay off in YOUR use case? Will there be any noticeable difference with YOUR graphics card in the games that YOU play at YOUR resolution and settings? Do you instead play the latest games where more cores do matter? (Just look at the frametime graph on cyberpunk, the frametime is actually worse on the lower core chip). Do you do any multitasking at all? For the same price the 7900x is the better choice for 99% of people compared to the 7800x3d. You don't need to use productivity applications to make use of more than 8 cores. Just boot up cyberpunk or any of the new CODs. They'll use it.

@andytunnah7650 Жыл бұрын

For me it's the power usage of intel that puts me off.

@BronzeDragon133 Жыл бұрын

Yep. I do use some productivity software, which leans me a bit toward the 7950x3d given the efficiency.

@JoelHernandez-tz3vk Жыл бұрын

@@andytunnah7650 kind of curious if any undervolting is possible on the 13600k myself. I imagine i'd be the best all rounder for under $300 if you can.

@action3xpress Жыл бұрын

@@JoelHernandez-tz3vk Yes it's super easy. I can get my 13600k to run the same C23 score (24K) at 1.262v (vs stock auto 1.320v) and reduce temps from 87c to 80c. The 13600k is also $249.99 now which makes it a great all around chip for gaming and productivity. Easily one of the best Intel CPUs in a long time.

@Halibut86 Жыл бұрын

Might be a little late but I absolutely love the frametime chart. Really helps visualize how stuttering and framedrops might manifest in a real scenario. Seeing a frametime ms value also helps infer potential input latency ramifications that may not be apparent from raw FPS

@pcbona Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for adding the efficiency chart at 8:55 this is the main reason I choose a particular CPU and this information is often hard to come by.

@xbrummy3802 Жыл бұрын

Love the frame time graphs! It’s important to see for a lot of us that want to experience smooth gameplay. I have not seen any reviewer implement this as of yet. Keep up the great work!

@selohcin Жыл бұрын

Yeah, nobody else on the internet is doing that. I hope they keep it up, because this is the kind of content that makes Gamers' Nexus truly irreplaceable and in a league of their own alongside Digital Foundry and Hardware Unboxed.

@StoneyWoney 9 ай бұрын

@@selohcin digitalfoundry always include frametimes as well. But yeah, they're kinda approaching it from the other side, like: "How well does the game perform on which device?" whereas GN approaches it "How well does the device perform on which game?" You CAN check out both for either case. But I usually go to DF if I want to know what platform to buy a game for, and to GN if I want to know what platform to actually put together.

@aj0413_ Жыл бұрын

I always love Steve's hard hitting takes; no pulled punches here. Also, I really appreciate the frametime data, but would you consider also uploading the charts overlayed on top of the game playing the background? Just find it easier to parse and scroll through for specific titles and lets you fit more products together, ie. see DF's

@FAT9L Жыл бұрын

All the chapters are labeled with the type of test + which game they're testing, makes scrubbing through extremely easy!

@aj0413_ Жыл бұрын

@@FAT9L Sorry, I was more pointing out that the way DF does it makes it easier to visually understand how framtimes impact gameplay and easier to narrow down pain points to specific parts of a game. I use to have specific testing locations for microstutters in Dark Souls 3 or Elden Ring for instance.

@FAT9L Жыл бұрын

@@aj0413_ ah okay, I understand. Built-in benchmarks typically run for longer than he talks through each segment, so I'm not sure if that's doable. But I would also like to see those, now that you mention it. Maybe it could make for some kind of reference video on the second channel?

@aj0413_ Жыл бұрын

@@FAT9L yep, that’s what I was thinking. Secondary, dedicated videos for frametimes like DF does at times. I think how he handled it here is okay, but it leaves you wondering “where in-game was this tested?” For instance

@TomJerry12933 Жыл бұрын

thank you GN for clearifying that the dropped boxes were empty; that genuinely pained me.

@DustinHarms Жыл бұрын

I really like the frame time charts. I'd love to see them more against the most appropriate competitor (or maybe an outlier to show how significant a difference), and then the wide-range comparisons with the bar charts. Great combo to get the full picture!

@2528drevas Жыл бұрын

I went with the 5800X3D because on CPU's I planned on skipping this Gen. Haven't regretted it yet. What surprised me the most was how competitive the 13600k was, especially for the price.

@Mewzyc Жыл бұрын

you will be good for 5+years imo if you are willing to turn down the settings to get more fps.

@craigsmith8052 Жыл бұрын

@BillyPistocco my 13600kf uses around 80watts average when gaming. All the charts we see of power consumption are max core work loads which AMD do much more efficiently. But for day to day use and gaming 13th gen isn't too bad.

@lilfredd1393 Жыл бұрын

same here man, glad i chose the 5800x3d

@-INFERNUS- Жыл бұрын

I'm keeping my 5800X3D to on my x470 board. My 3rd CPU upgrade since 2018, I might upgrade in another 2yrs, not sure yet.

@johnborheck3022 Жыл бұрын

My 3080 and 5800x3d, still rock fine. Skipping this gen, happy with what I got still

@ElectricLumens Жыл бұрын

I really like the watt-hour comparison. Surprised at such a large difference between relatively recent CPUs.

@phoenux3986 Жыл бұрын

I loved the frametime graph, even if it's only a 1v1 comparison or limited to just 3-4 I feel like it is very informative to see just how consistent they can get. Also it'll be interesting to see how the CSGO graphs change when CS2 is pushed out

@unholydonuts Жыл бұрын

CS2 definitely needs its own dedicated cpu benchmarks, as it may bring back former CS players back into the fold such as myself.

@phoenux3986 Жыл бұрын

@@unholydonuts Tech reviewers are gonna have a hell of a time rerunning all of the CS benchmarks to update their CPU and GPU graphs

@eclipsegst9419 Жыл бұрын

@@unholydonuts If they wanna do that they should have a bhop enabled playlist.

@tanphan1848 Жыл бұрын

From what I'm seeing CS2 is quite a lot more optimized the CSGO despite still being in a beta. Frametime variance is much better despite the small fps decrease. Its also more GPU bound. And yes CS2 LOVES the 3d cache.

@sebastian2805 Жыл бұрын

@@tanphan1848 How do you know it loves the 3d cache, any benchmarks? I´m planning on getting the 7800x3d but wasn´t so sure yet if CS2 will benefit from the 3d cache

@EdwardTilley Жыл бұрын

Great review! What I took away was - 7950x3d is competitive with Intel for workstation AND gaming PCs - at half of the Intel's power consumption. If you don't care about workstation and only care about gaming, 7800x3d is an OBVIOUS best-pick. This is a good result for AMD, and probably what they had in mind as well. Power consumption and fan noise is important to folks who keep a PC in their bedrooms - or anywhere that quiet is a premium.

@josephoberlander Жыл бұрын

Fan noise on a high-end Intel pulling 250W+ is a vacuum cleaner as the fans can barely keep up and the video card as well due to the heat soak of the chassis, since it's all running close to throttling limits.. once it all spins up, it stays there with all of the fans struggling to keep up.

@InfamousWill 5 ай бұрын

Is the 7950X3D still worth it? Have heard bad things

@rodiculous9464 2 ай бұрын

He gave the win to the intel cpu but for someone who wants to be more futureproofed the am5 cpus will be better

@CLfreak246 Жыл бұрын

IT’S TIME!! I’ve been waiting for reviews of this CPU to see how big of an upgrade it would be to go up to AM5 for gaming.

@GamersNexus Жыл бұрын

Nice! Glad we can deliver the review!

@1337jusTi Жыл бұрын

Love that you have the frame time charts. In competitive titles like CS:GO it is very important that they are consistent. Thank you.

@joannaatkins822 Жыл бұрын

I'm definitely very intrigued and would like more frame time graphs. Definitely a valuable video!

@ccotunai Жыл бұрын

Definitely include frametime graphs if you can! They provide a much clearer picture of stability compared to averages. Thank you for the review!

@_mew Жыл бұрын

The reason I prefer Gamers Nexus over any other tech reviewer is the sheer amount of data and how in depth you guys go on reviews. More data is always better for us consumers in making an informed purchase

@PQED Жыл бұрын

Hardly anyone does framtime charts, and to me that's just weird. They add so much valuable insight that I definitely hope you continue doing them!

@hadoukenocx4746 Жыл бұрын

Steve, Thank you for including The Frame Time! please keep the frame time in the cpu Review's even if not all understand them i DO and i know you know its super important and can make a buyers choice. =)

@fishstick3835 Жыл бұрын

love seeing the frame time graphs! always interesting to see imo, would like to see them more often

@gvidssuck Жыл бұрын

Always appreciate your reviews on hardware. I just built a 13600K centred PC based off your review of it, and glad to see you helped me make the right decision! GN's my go to reviewer if I want to make an informed choice.

@andersborum9267 Жыл бұрын

13700K build here'; very happy as well.

@H4FIZS Жыл бұрын

Off topic. I am not sure if it is the lighting or the colour grading, but this video has a much MUCHHH better 'Colour' than all your previous videos. I love it!

@cruizera2194 Жыл бұрын

Thx for catching the OS contamination, only GN would catch and cover such an important issue review day #1. Great, helpful job.

@craigdaurizio686 Жыл бұрын

It doesn't get much finer than watching these reviews after a long day. Bless you all at GN, one of the best channels on KZfaq.

@hofnaerrchen Жыл бұрын

AM4 might be EOL but right now the 5800X3D still seems to be a viable option for gaming, especially at it's current below 300 bucks price. It also offers quite good frametime performance, just not the highest FPS. BTW: The CPU shown at the end of the video while takling about the 13600k is a 13900k.^^

@QuikSak Жыл бұрын

I'm going to be upgrading to the 5800X3D from 5600X - I feel it's not worth it currently to do a whole PC upgrade when the 5800X3D is still kicking ass

@LuciusVulpes Жыл бұрын

If you already have an AM4 mobo with an older gen Ryzen and you don't want to waste too much money, then the 5800X3D is the perfect option

@JD98ns Жыл бұрын

@MICKUS TOPOLINO IMPERATOR CAESAR AUGUSTUS MAUS This. I went from a Ryzen 2600 to a 5800X3D. The difference is night and day. Add to the fact you don't have to spend money on new RAM and mobo, it is simply a no brainer.

@CLfreak246 Жыл бұрын

I’m definitely getting a 5800X3D this year. Either when the price falls below $300 during the year or at the next Black Friday/Cyber Monday deals at year’s end.

@QuikSak Жыл бұрын

@@CLfreak246 right! It’s such a great processor.

@JTCF 3 күн бұрын

One year later, watching this vid while deciding between upgrading to 5800x3d or to AM5 with 7800x3d. Thanks for the thorough review!

@3TDEV01 Жыл бұрын

Thank you GN for all the effort that goes into collecting all this data. That's why you guys are the best. 👍

@beefsuplexgamingofficial Жыл бұрын

As someone who does data analysis as part of my day job in Quality, the frame time charts are helpful as you have a better picture of what the CPU is doing versus reporting an average value (especially without a +/- standard deviation value). Thanks for adding them.

@achaerna.6662 Жыл бұрын

I'm enjoying all these reviews. As a pure gamer who married a 5800X3D last year, I appreciate the consistent AM5 'Stick with your wife, you don't need a mistress'. Long live AM4.

@SHADOW543121 Жыл бұрын

you guys have such a good looking set and a damn good visually pleasing output with these videos

@Rosaslav Жыл бұрын

I liked the additional data, it was nicely presented. Thanks for quality review:)

@kennethmadsen6474 Жыл бұрын

I applaud the use of frametime charts. So much more info on how the real user experience will be like 👌

@RANDOMNATION907 Жыл бұрын

I found the 'watt hour' graph with all of the other CPUs to be extremely useful. Excellent content as usual. Thank you.

@shadouqh8370 Жыл бұрын

I’ve always liked you addition of the gram time charts. And I’m okay with more of them, I really like the comparisons.

@gamers-generation Жыл бұрын

Rip mixed use cases! Thank you Steve and GN Team for another thoroughly informative review!

@Glerox Жыл бұрын

The efficiency is impressive. This CPU is perfect for SFF builds.

@probablykeen 11 ай бұрын

not rly. unless you mean SFF builds for gaming

@Glerox 11 ай бұрын

@@probablykeen yes it's what I meant

@GTFour Жыл бұрын

Frametime was super interesting, I’d love to see that presented for few titles and against a couple more key CPUs for better reference, say; 5700x, 5800x3D & plain 7700x + maybe couple older ones, 3600 and 9900k, would be incredible for reference of any improvement. Great content.

@xsnake627x Жыл бұрын

I really appreciated the explication on the frame time and taking more time to go through it I learned a bit more than I knew before. Great video

@atheist-agnostic-believers Жыл бұрын

Thank you for bringing in the frame time compairason. Its so important for competitive gaming

@CaptainUltimaFTW Жыл бұрын

I love the thorough content! I'd love to see more publications on the website but that is extra time required per piece and I totally get that. To think that I've been watching since before Zen and seeing where we've come with new products is amazing. If I didn't just grab a 5700X this past summer for 250 I'd be chomping at the bit for the 7800x3D for sure lol.

@mikaeo23 Жыл бұрын

If you're going to show fps results for *some* games in 1440p, it'd be nice to see them for all games. Was really interested in the 1440p results for cyberpunk. Especially because even at 1440p, I know the cpu still has meaningful differences model to model.

@Maxime-ho9iv 9 ай бұрын

Even more, 1440p should really be the default now. 1080p is absolutely meaningless honestly.

@arp1 6 ай бұрын

@@Maxime-ho9iv 1080p has still 60% in Steam's Survey....and in high(er) resolutions its more like we get bottlenecked by the GPU, not the CPU. So 1080p is more than fine, not meaningless.

@BlimpChimps 3 ай бұрын

Cpu heavy games as well like Simulators, Dayz, Escape from Tarkov

@wile-e-coyote7257 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this fascinating review and related comparisons, Steve and crew!

@Noah-lj2sg Жыл бұрын

I like how the background has been getting more and more lively :) love the work you guys put in, props! Edit: I regret looking at the comments, the war has already begun.

@BasedNapkinMan Жыл бұрын

Enjoyed the frametime charts. Would like to see more of them.

@benkse2010 6 ай бұрын

Buying this cpu for 300 bucks (on a microcenter sale), I am so glad I waited.

@gregs6403 2 ай бұрын

No other channel (that I know of) is doing half as much to deep dive into performance of hardware like you guys are. The effort that goes into these videos is kind of astounding.

@PeterScream Жыл бұрын

Frametimes are great, such a nuanced comparison is where its at, very happy pleased with GN attention to detail.

@djvycious Жыл бұрын

Steve thanks for another amazing benchmark video as always. My gaming is generally limited to flight and racing sim games, which have the habit of being single-core CPU heavy, and often not amazingly optimized. I'd really like it if you'd put these tests forth for X-Plane 12 and rFactor, for example, and see how each CPU performs. Cheers buddy!

@ecromancer Жыл бұрын

I do a lot of code compiling and the main game I mostly play is ffxiv so having stuff like this in your benchmarks really does help a lot! Thank you!

@AndyU96 Жыл бұрын

Terrible game, the average IQ of the people playing that game is pretty low. I'd know because I used to play it, but then I learned better

@nishimiya 4 ай бұрын

ur mother named u andy bro lol@@AndyU96

@milesrodriguez6444 Жыл бұрын

Echoing others, thanks for the frame time graphs. More of that would be welcomed.

@RicoElectrico Жыл бұрын

The new set looks really professional. I compared with the old one and I think either lighting or color grading has improved as well, the skin tones are much better reproduced.

@jordi95 Жыл бұрын

The new look is amazing , i was gladly surprised by it

@johni-db4xv Жыл бұрын

Love the plants on the new set

@Thiccalus Жыл бұрын

Love the frame time charts! Thank you!

@EvilMcSheep Жыл бұрын

Love the frametime graphs! Way more meaningful than the averages!

@Dvlx1 Жыл бұрын

Holy moly this is an in-depth review

@GamersNexus Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Can't wait to finish adding Stellaris and other new games, too!

@th3_g3ntl3man Жыл бұрын

7800X3D: You care mainly about gaming, low energy usage, and are fine with the $449 price point. 13700k: You care about gaming and production, don't mind higher energy use, and want to save a bit at ~$420. 13600k: You care about gaming and production, don't mind slightly higher energy use, and like the $300 price point.

@vindicator879 11 ай бұрын

7950x: You want the best for both gaming and production, don't mind the higher price point 13900k: same as 7950x and you don't mind the higher energy usage

@RAZGR1Z Жыл бұрын

Thanks for another great review. I do like the frametime charts.

@omerbennahum1903 Ай бұрын

Thanks!!! It is a very important comparison, allowing me to pick the best cpu for my use.

@kemop06 Жыл бұрын

I feel like this 7800X3D is going to be the value sweet spot ! Awesome Review !!

@omnivos 8 ай бұрын

I just picked up a 7800x3d for $350 after instant coupon and bundling. 32gb vengeance, x670E msi tomahawk,78003xd, and starfield approximately $750 out the door.

@Drew_621 6 ай бұрын

How’s your experience been with all the games?

@dimeadozengaming4286 Жыл бұрын

I think I'm finally learning. Thank you for the education! ❤

@SamTheEnglishTeacher Жыл бұрын

Good to know about all-rounder CPUs, since my gaming PC is always also a work/hobby PC for coding, admin, editing clips with ffmpeg, compressing cold backups, etc.

@kibels894 Жыл бұрын

Re: 4:46. The boost frequency on the V-Cache CCD of the 7950X3D is 5.2GHz, it isn't dropped that much for the 7800X3D (200MHz), it just looks like a lot because the dual CCD parts have that higher boost CCD that won't cook the VCache at that high of clock.

@mr.dingleberry4882 Жыл бұрын

So you dont think that the limited frequency ceiling for the 7800X3D is a scummy attempt at product segmentation?

@reaperreaper5098 Жыл бұрын

@@mr.dingleberry4882 Not if the V Cache CCDs on the higher end parts are getting similar clocks. Having V Cache drops clocks because the extra cache can’t handle the additional heat generation that comes from driving the higher clocks that the standard CCDs can run at.

@SYS3333 Жыл бұрын

Excellent work as always! I would love you guys to include de R5 5600x on your charts, I think it's a nice middle-ground comparison to have. Thanks!

@GamersNexus Жыл бұрын

The 5600X is still available in our previous datasets, so you can get a pretty close approximation! We are still adding stuff to the freshest re-runs/tests

@ffwast Жыл бұрын

Yeah AM4 comparisons are pretty important to such a "wait and see" product.

@andysPARK Жыл бұрын

Excellent comparison and review, thanks.

@t0mn8r35 Жыл бұрын

Excellent review as always. Please keep the additional info.

@farmertrueVR Жыл бұрын

Thank you for including frame time! As a VR enthusiast, it is a struggle to find frame times on these newly released CPUs. In VR, frame times can be the difference between an enjoyable experience or one that is unpleasant and can cause a bad time. An overall smooth frame time and lower frame times make a huge difference in VR and it's not talked about nearly enough. Even on high resolution HMDs, where even a 4090 is the bottleneck, CPU frame times can have huge impact on not only the games performance, but the overall enjoyment of the VR experience.

@mitchmccracken3050 Жыл бұрын

John Carmack gave a great engineering talk about this a few years ago.

@nosteh Жыл бұрын

So much this.

@SlavaBagmut Жыл бұрын

They worse then Intel ones, who would have thought...

@RavTokomi Жыл бұрын

Thank you GN for not just hitching to the hype train and for providing a detailed and objective review.

@Jacen436987 Жыл бұрын

exactly why i'm getting a 13600k. i'm not just gaming

@Nothern_King 4 ай бұрын

I'm always very impressed by gamers nexus. Great work, thank you

@gurshair Жыл бұрын

Gamers Nexus always gives the most technical reviews and I enjoy that, it's why I watch here among other KZfaqrs like HW unboxed and LTT. The addition of frametime is a welcome change, I just have to keep in mind to not look at it in isolation

@muffin8508 Жыл бұрын

Please keep doing frametimes! For people who care about high resolution games or VR, they’re incredibly important.

@jamesacosta-clark658 Жыл бұрын

If you want to show more frametime data in one graph, you should plot it as a box and whisker plot like you do the flatness testing for coolers. You'll have the spikes show up in the whiskers to still keep the max frametime data, and then consistency will show up as tighter boxes. That way you could show far more than just two CPUs without losing the relevant data like you would if you just plotted averages in a bar chart.

@devkit0 Жыл бұрын

Really liking the new set! Looks super slick

@tmtguitar Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the analysis The charts are fine!

@LunarClockLunaDial Жыл бұрын

AMD's advancements seems promising. I'm still on the 3600 myself but I'll consider the 8800x3D when that is a thing in like 1 or 2 years.

@Johnny-yx2qx Жыл бұрын

Nah cause it took them what 4 months into the new year to release it , it probably won’t be released 4 months into 2025

@pixels_per_inch Жыл бұрын

Why not upgrade to the 5800X3D. Isn't that the point of AM4, so you won't have to upgrade your motherboard

@Johnny-yx2qx Жыл бұрын

@@pixels_per_inch you can literally get am5 mobo and 64 ram for 300

@pixels_per_inch Жыл бұрын

@@Johnny-yx2qx Really?

@Johnny-yx2qx Жыл бұрын

@@pixels_per_inch yes, not the expensive ones , the entry was cheaper for me than am 4

@krandeloy Жыл бұрын

Having the two most interesting Frame Time charts compared to each other is really neat.

@Madmeerkat55 Жыл бұрын

The studio looks gorgeous! So lush!

@222_games Жыл бұрын

Another homerun review. Thanks, Steve and Gamers Nexus

@MarvoloRiddle Жыл бұрын

Steve coming out swinging with that opening statement lol.

@pcfirebeats Жыл бұрын

Love the power efficiency, it is great and really important IMO, it is very good to have the information.