America's Advents - Professor Alec Ryrie

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America's Advents - Professor Alec Ryrie

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The United States in the early nineteenth century was one of Christian history's great moments of sectarian creativity. www.gresham.ac...
The religious entrepreneurs of a newly democratic society rebelled against the proliferation of denominations by creating new movements of their own, from Utopian communities to apocalyptic revivals. The most notorious such movement, the Millerites, forecast the end of the world for 1844 - in the most modern, rational and compelling terms.
This lecture will explore why Millerites believed the predictions, what effects they had, and how they responded to the Great Disappointment. And it will look at how two very different but almost equally successful modern Christian movements, the Seventh-day Adventists and the Jehovahs Witnesses, emerged from the wreckage.
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@diannaholiday9086 3 жыл бұрын

This professor is a masterful lecturer. My interest is riveted to every topic he lectures on. Many thanks!

@jkr9594 3 жыл бұрын

i do not know how i got here, but i am somewhat enjoing it. guess i need to change what i want to study.

@telemarkaeology 3 жыл бұрын

I can't read or hear about Adventist movements without thinking of that old Hitchens quote: "One imagines they suffer from a profound sense of anticlimax."

@michaeltowslee4111 2 жыл бұрын

i am a dis-associated witness. That means I left the society voluntarily. I need to declare my colors from the start. While I believe I was right to leave I bear no animosity to the society. Prof. Ryrie's analysis of the society is spot-on. His inclusion of more recent changes was especially informative. I found one shortcoming. He said that separation from the world is the main trait of the society. I would disagree. The individual Witnesses fear of stepping one toe out of line is driving force in their lives. Other than that they are more typical of normative Christianity than they or other denominations will ever admit.

@philiptadros4981 4 жыл бұрын

Tremendous stuff from Ryrie. This is how history should be told.

@olivertaltynov9220 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, he is amazing.

@joecaner 3 жыл бұрын

I cannot stop watching his lectures. His content and delivery are captivating.

@djmills2040 3 жыл бұрын

Did I miss something? I was hoping to hear the beginning of this as I heard the beginning of south Africa’s European religious experience.

@tjohn6echo 3 жыл бұрын

Really love to listen to Prof Alec Ryrie's insightful and superbly presented lectures. Thank you so much.

@williammurphy3766 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much much Professor Ryrie. Few lecturers could weave religious zealotry, the wider secular historical background and Kellogg's Cornflakes into a narrative which is funny, immensely touching and so educational. It incidentally illustrates aspects of both political movements (e. g. Marxism) and respectable religions who have adapted in the face of rapidly changing modernity.

@NicholasEymann 3 жыл бұрын

I wish all lectures were given by Alex Ryrie

@foveauxbear Жыл бұрын

regardless of your theist or atheist views, this man defines how history should be taught. I'd possibly have enjoyed history far more that the stale, dried sponge cake that was dished up to me in the 70s.

@minui8758 10 ай бұрын

There’s a sense in which you do have to trudge through the ages and the major figures to get those imbedded. But agreed - teachers should have more free reign to talk in thematic sweeps. Curriculums in school are often as dry as they were in your time I suspect, not familiar with the 70s curriculum but we’ve had a lot of regress in history especially thanks to the Tory’s. It’s all about building national identity

@dakrontu 3 жыл бұрын

At 09:00 typical survivor's reaction to surviving a massacre. It must have been God's work. Ignoring, of course, the opinions of the far larger number of dead, who might disagree about such 'benevolence'.

@DF-ss5ep 5 ай бұрын

I can't wrap my head around the success of these movements. Humans boggle my mind.

@danielmaher964 3 жыл бұрын

Very well researched

@thomasjamison2050 3 жыл бұрын

In the 19th century, a meager education in New England was not all that meager. W B Dubois, in the 1870's, commented that a New England high school education was often times better than any college education in the South. And at the time, illiteracy in many parts of the south exceeded 90%.

@Patriot1789 Жыл бұрын

Judging from the South’s and the Midwest’s present day “beliefs” their illiteracy has not improved much. Without cash registers that tell you what the change is, my father used to be astonished that the supermarket check out cashier couldn’t make change.

@timeforlaurynsopinion5138 Жыл бұрын

The part about not selling the church's soul for breakfast cereal is very ironic to me because here in Australia the seventh-day adventist church is heavily affiliated with Sanitarium, the company that makes weet-bix.

@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts 6 ай бұрын

Very Informative. There was a noteworthy case in which Adventists and Witnesses were placed side by side in the same situation, the Rwandan Genocide. Rwanda had a surprising large population of Adventists, and the Witneseses had a small presence there when the genocide occurred, both groups were composed on both Hutu and Tutsi. While Adventists participated in the Genocide along with members of protestant and Catholic churches, dividing along ethnic lines, Witnesses didn't. Hutu witnesses hid and protected their Tutsi brothers and sisters. Clearly, the Witnesses are doing something right. The witnesses published an article on the topic "Remembering the Rwandan genocide 25 years on."

@robertfeinberg748 3 жыл бұрын

I recalled recoiling when Goldwater said that, but I supported him beyond his own adherence to it. Late in life he married a liberal Jewish woman, and he never renounced Judaism completely, and I adhered to Judaism and opposed the drift to secular humanism. There was an article in WaPo in 2015 that dealt with the question of whether High Holidays services should refrain from touting Dem party themes because Republicans might be offended. The response was that there were no Republicans.

@ashthebash66 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent, thank you. One small mistake but I'm sure it was a word slip. It wasn't Russell but rather Rutherford, the second president of the Bible Students, who was imprisoned in 1918 along with 7 others as a result of clergy inspired persecution due to their neutrality. As you accurately mention, the witnesses are among the most persecuted modern religious group and they are currently being beaten and imprisoned in Russia, as well as other countries, for their political neutrality.

@timothyrday1390 3 жыл бұрын

It's fascinating because the SDA is still roundly criticized by its fellow Protestant denominations. Believe what you may about the SDA, they are one of the most impressive and organized movements I've ever seen.

@thenowchurch6419 3 жыл бұрын

They are fraught with internal arguments and constantly having new groups splinter off of them. The more they distance themselves from Ellen White's writings the more they will be closer to sanity.

@timothyrday1390 3 жыл бұрын

@@thenowchurch6419 I agree. The smart ones distance themselves more from Ellen White's writings than the others. 😆

@joecaner 3 жыл бұрын

There is no arguing with their dietary practices. Those who are strict adherents are some of the healthiest and longest lived people in the world...

@timothyrday1390 3 жыл бұрын

@@joecaner I respect their focus on diet and healthy living. We could use a lot more attention to that in the American churches especially...

@thenowchurch6419 3 жыл бұрын

@@joecaner It is foolish to live healthy and long on earth and miss out on eternal life because of heresy.

@joehiggs100 3 жыл бұрын

Does anyone now believe that the USA is a Christian country? A great lecture, as usual.

@mattt.4395 Жыл бұрын

nope, never was. the opposite, in fact.

@JonniePolyester Жыл бұрын

This was a superb lecture. Who would have thought trying to predict the end of the world from a anthology of cobbled together, censored, mistranslated, hagiographic, committee determined ( Council of Rome 382) would end in a Great Disappointment when in 1843 the world didn’t end?

@garethsmith3036 3 жыл бұрын

The Goldwater quote is from Thomas Paine

@pauleohl 3 жыл бұрын

@Gareth Smith Can you link to a site confirming that Goldwater lifted his acceptance speech nugget from Thomas Paine? I cannot find anything.

@anthonylemkendorf3114 7 жыл бұрын

The Professor is about 95% correct ( very high score)about Jehovah's witnesses. For example, Brother Russell didn't " try to save passers by from the torments of hell" because like first century Christians he did not believe that he'll or the pagan doctrine of the trinity was a Bible teaching Deut 6:4 .We will without fail give our life for Jehovah and his only begotten son Jesus Christ and our Brothers and Sisters regardless of Race or Cultural background and are strictly neutral regarding politics( we do not vote ).John 15:13. We love our neighbors and want them to enjoy peace with God and others, that's why we talk to any who will listen.Matt 24:14 Mark 12:31 1Cor 1:23 2Cor 5:19 A special thanks to the Professor for recognition of our uncompromising love for our neighbors and each other John 13:35

@AlaiMacErc 3 жыл бұрын

Apologies for the tangent, but as I've watched and enjoyed several of Prof. Ryrie's videos, I'm going to take a small bit of latitude! Mormomism is mentioned in passing here, and in a couple of other places by him. But his thesis -- and to be fair, theirs too! -- is that they're distinct from Protestantism, albeit arising from it. But as that's Ryrie's speciality, does that mean there's no hope of a lecture on the LDS movement (broadly or narrowly construed) from him? I hope otherwise!

@samuelolah9097 Ай бұрын

"Now, like most sect founders, the last thing Russell wanted to do was found a sect" 😂

@JCResDoc94 7 жыл бұрын

46:00 the JWs under Russel pre Bertrand - the Watchtower

@joecaner 3 жыл бұрын

There must be some kind of way outta here Said the joker to the thief There's too much confusion I can't get no relief - Bob Dylan

@RonJohn63 7 жыл бұрын

33:12 Back then, drinking lots of pure, *clean water* was most assuredly *very* good for the health of people who otherwise drank nasty polluted water.

@melkayrey1034 7 жыл бұрын

RonJohn63

@melkayrey1034 7 жыл бұрын

RonJohn63

@melkayrey1034 7 жыл бұрын

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@melkayrey1034 7 жыл бұрын

fey

@ZeekRulezz990 3 жыл бұрын

Except Jerusalem fell in 586//587 BCE

@rosiehawtrey 2 жыл бұрын

Nero and Hadrian would like a word..

@ontariochurchstories7276 4 жыл бұрын

Harold Camping

@ShahidKhan-ke8fe 2 жыл бұрын

'Extremism in the defence of liberty is no vice' - actually it is. Extremism is bad. Going too extreme means going 'too far'. You aren't free to shout 'fire' in a crowded theatre for example. You're also not free to marry your sister or sell your children.

@djmills2040 3 жыл бұрын

Did I miss something? I was thinking that he would start off with American European Christian experience as he started off, South Africa’s And maybe show the similarities and the way the religion of Europe moved into both continents.

@ivanc.6064 3 жыл бұрын

23:00 lol

@jstantongood5474 3 жыл бұрын

Andrew Johnson the future vice president? Or Andrew Jackson the president in 1828?

@Astronist 3 жыл бұрын

Andrew Johnson was v.p. to Lincoln, so became the 17th president when Lincoln was assassinated in 1865.

@POLMAZURKA 3 жыл бұрын

but what about Poland?,,,

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