warren byrne lol

"🎶We paint white roses red, each shade from a diffrent persons head.🎶~"

And then the sequel came out and they decided to go in *hard* with the "oh yeah child molestation's just a common thing" Man. I was so disappointed in that game.

Makes me wonder how the game would've turned out if American went with his original idea. I've yet to find interviews or articles which discuss Alice's original concept. If the game involved an original character with mental illness who believed herself to be Lewis Carroll's Alice, that would've allowed American to diverge from and alter Carroll's original material in more radically creative ways. If it involved a modern psychiatric patient, that might've led to the game to resembling Alice meets Silent Hill, Max Payne, and Quake. American's original intention might explain why the game wasn't able to adapt other aspects of Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass. Considering how already dark the original books are, it would've been fun to be able to interact with and explore the world from the books in Alice's engine, as well as fight the original characters with Alice's toy arsenal. But wishing aside, I still love the retail Alice game as I played it. It's a shame American didn't bring back Daniel D. Wood, Alice's original co-writer, to write The Madness Returns, because Alice's original writing and structure felt tighter and better than the sequel's. I also prefer the original Alice's combat and Alice's inclusion of interestingly varied boss fights. If only Alice got to have an expansion pack just like its Quake-engine forebears, because a Quake-styled mission pack for Alice which added new weapons, enemies, and locations would've been awesome to play. Also, such an expansion would've explored other aspects to Wonderland and Looking Glass Land which the first Alice didn't cover.

An Inspiration from Grimm tales that always has some dark theme

@@Shenaldrac You act like it wasn’t for the time the game is set in, especially in the part of town alice lives which is implied to be in or near the slums

​@@bluebay1031 No, I don't act like that at all. I never said child prostitution wasn't a thing in that place and time. However it feels like an incredible tonal shift, and is imo handled very poorly. If you're going to handle sexual violation of any kind you better know what you're doing and do a *damn* good job with it and treat it with the tact that such a delicate subject requires, otherwise don't do it. The Madness Returns uses child prostitution as a mere dramatic twist, a reveal to shock the audience, and nothing more. It has nothing to actually _say_ about underage sex in England in the time period, it just has it be a thing to explain the trauma the children suffer. And that's without even getting into how the whole plot basically just undoes the entire first game. "Hey Alice, you know how you worked through your survivor's guilt and regained your sanity? Well, now you're back to being crazy and going to Wonderland, and everything's terrible again. Fix it!" It retroactively worsens the end to the first game, because now you know that she'll just be hypnotized into being a child prostitute. Joy.

Bro your profile picture is one of those Tumblrafied anime characters. STFU

@@youcantbeatk7006 bro they’re comment is good so shut the fuck up yourself

It’s such an important theme, part of what makes this franchise so special

@@youcantbeatk7006 Damn you got told… 😅

what do you mean by "doesn't portray mental illness negatively"? alice litteraly is stuck in an asylum bed for 10 years unable to move and the only thing she has being her own mind. are you trying to tell me thats not mental illness in a negative light? dont get me wrong, i love the games and the stories but your opinion just doesnt make sense.

Agreed!

That would be great

They aren't even remotely similar IMO.

Lol the leaf also rocked a ten to twelve year old me’s world

I will take that over the underwater part any day

I am watching this in 2021

I am watching this in 2021

I love seeing comments like this.

@Mr D yes! Breathtaking. I just did half of it but will continue ^ ^

Always laughed at how the load screen buttons are load, save, and delete, abbreviated to their first initial, in that order :)

Can’t remember the exact level, but I found a hidden mirror a stage or two before the centipede boss. I actually ran into it on accident lol

@@sweetestcyanide think that's the fungiferous forest one, that's only just before the centipede

@@Drengade Hmmm- It was definitely in the very beginning of the cave systems. I completed that bit yesterday, but my memory is also terrible lol 😅

@@sweetestcyanide oh, the cave systems just after *spoiler* rabbit gets squished? If it's at the beginning of that then no, I haven't found it. Fungiferous Forest (or Flora) is the area just after picking up the ice wand, and just before centipede

@@Drengade I just viewed a play through to figure out the area I was talking about. It’s the exact area you originally commented about. I knew it was a spawn point, I guess I just imagined something different lol. My bad- 😖

Alex McDouchebag American McGee is working on a third Alice game! www.americanmcgee.com/alice-3/

Noice

Although I've loved the sequel's plot, I'm completely agree with you. First Alice has that fairytale atmosphere, that sequel just can't repeat

I think the sequel was kinda necessary actually ? Do you remember what the Hatter said ? He said "Truth and you are not in good terms" and "Truth is only bitter for those who fear it". If the fire was truly just an accident, then why is Alice out of touch with the truth ? Unless, the fire wasn't really an accident.

@@JabamiLain Uh.... no. You've completely missed the point of the first game. The fire _was_ an accident, but Alice blamed herself. She denied the truth that the fire wasn't her fault. The game is her working through her survivor's guilt which has driven her mad, finally accepting that much like Billy Joel, she didn't start the fire. All the bad things going on in Wonderland, all the corruption, is a metaphorical manifestation of the harm Alice's misbelief that she is responsible for the death of her parents is causing her. She is _literally_ fighting her own inner demons throughout the game.

@@Shenaldrac very well, that makes sense. I still like the sequel nonetheless, especially as it justifies the Queen's actions from the first game. Speaking of, I've always kinda rooted out for her. Besides representing Alice's guilt, she also represents her logic and reason (that I know to have been kinda twisted), which means she represents order and control. She wants to break Wonderland in order to force Alice to face reality and become ruthless enough to survive whatever the world throws at her. And you know why that's kinda good if done it properly ? Because Alice can't live in her dreamworld forever. Eventually, she's going to have to wake up and face the growth that the life imposes upon us all. And if her mind is well prepared, she'll have the tools she needs to have a say in the future.

@@JabamiLain Dude, what are you talking about? The red queen is explicitly the core manifestation of Alice's guilt. She isn't her logic or reason or rationality. The Red Queen is the part of Alice that tells herself that the fire is her fault. That's _why_ she spends the entire game trying to break Alice down. You've completely misunderstood everything. Alice doesn't live in her dreamland forever, there's nothing about that in the game. None of this is within the text or the implications of the game. The Red Queen serves an entirely antagonistic role, and is literally everything wrong with Alice's mental state. That's why her body stretches out throughout the game, those disgusting red tendrils all leading to her twisted form. So no, there is no "the second game justifies the queen's actions from the first game" because that's now what happened in the first game, and her mind clearly _wasn't_ prepared by the red queen since Alice easily fell under hypnosis and became another child prostitute like all the others, which again is just tonally such a disgustingly sharp turn from everything else. All I can really say is, go play the first game again because you're terrible misinterpreted _everything._

Magerama I played Alice madness returns first and loved it But I couldn’t bring myself to complete this one, it’s a mass of glitches

@Svetoslav Nikolov Nah, I played the original when it was out on PC. But you know what? I don't insist. I was a little bitch back then, maybe I'd love the game today.

I absolutely love System Shock. It's my favourite game of all time and I even own the floppy disk box set. I'll definitely be making a video on it at some point. Hopefully it'll be my best.

Can't wait Mr. Brit

The Cheshire cat is voiced by Roger L. Jackson on both games, it's that his delivery sounds different in madness returns (probably due to age, either he couldn't do the exact voice anymore or just forgot how to do it).