American Reacts When Did English Kings Stop Speaking French?

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@ayeready6050
@ayeready6050 Жыл бұрын
The best example of French words being more fancy than Germanic words are animals. Cow, sheep & pig are all Germanic words because it was the Old English speaking peasants who tended to the animals. Once these animals were served on a platter at the King's dining table however, they were called beef (bœuf), mutton (mouton) and pork (porc)
@billydonaldson6483
@billydonaldson6483 Жыл бұрын
41% of the English language is French, the rest is old English, Latin, Greek and German. Braveheart is the most historically inaccurate movie ever made. The king actually died about 2 years after Wallace, he died on his way to Scotland. The Queen he made pregnant was actually only 3 years old and still living in France when Wallace was around. Braveheart itself was the heart of Robert the Bruce which was taken into battle as an encouragement to the soldiers. Tartan wasn’t used then nor was a two handed sword. Wallace was a lowlander not a highlander. Etc etc etc
@tiber64
@tiber64 Жыл бұрын
Also the movie « The King” is 95% inaccurate
@lahire4943
@lahire4943 Жыл бұрын
The real shift took place when it became clear to Edward III in the 1370s that he would never become king of France and would lose most of his holdings in France. For instance, parliament was opened in French for the last time in 1377.
@tibsky1396
@tibsky1396 Жыл бұрын
They never really stopped speaking French, it just became their second, even third language according the time.
@wertyuiopasd6281
@wertyuiopasd6281 Жыл бұрын
The original video by that english youtuber is bad from the get go, so can't do anything about that.
@tiber64
@tiber64 Жыл бұрын
Queen Elizabeth II had a very good French
@mccorama
@mccorama Жыл бұрын
Slightly off piste: Hild by Nicola Griffith is an amazing book about pre-Invasion England (actually pre-Alfred) which is really good about the ways in which the languages one speaks define communities and power
@wertyuiopasd6281
@wertyuiopasd6281 Жыл бұрын
Also that english speaker doesn't understand much about french etc. Norman French is just a dialect like there were many in Northern part of France called Langues d'Oïl. In the south, Langues d'Oc were spoken.
@Chris_GY1
@Chris_GY1 Жыл бұрын
Forest is spelt with one r not two.
@dameinnoble3995
@dameinnoble3995 Жыл бұрын
Princess Isabella of France (Queen Consort and Queen Regent of England), b.1295 d.1358, was the daughter of Philip IV of France and Joan I of Navarre.
@tinamiles9328
@tinamiles9328 Жыл бұрын
have you heard of the knowledge , its the toughest taxi drivers exam in the world , and you have to have it to be able to drive the hackney cabs or the black cabs ] in London . i was blown away by how much they have to know , to pass
@moiragoddard592
@moiragoddard592 Жыл бұрын
If you're interested in early English history there are some YT videos of Michael Wood a historian. His series on the Dark Ages is very interesting. He's covered later topics such as Shakespeare too.
@tbirdparis
@tbirdparis Жыл бұрын
If you're wondering what specific kind of Norman French traits ended up in English, here's one example: In Norman French, there are many words that begin with a hard "c" that in other forms of French (including modern standard French of today) have a "ch" (pronounced "sh") instead. So that's why in English we have the word "castle", but in modern French it's "château", or the word "cat" instead of "chat".
@neilbuckley1613
@neilbuckley1613 Жыл бұрын
I guess one of the reasons to drop Norman-French would be that as time passed it was diverging further from Parisian French [ ancestor of modern French ] so that they became less mutually intelligible. Perhaps Norman French also started to sound like a rural peasant dialect to French nobles and they mocked the Norman=French of the English nobles.
@european_mapper-FR
@european_mapper-FR Жыл бұрын
@@neilbuckley1613 modern French in it’s most pure form I believe would come from the Loire Valley
@xenotypos
@xenotypos Жыл бұрын
@@neilbuckley1613 It depended on when, Norman French wasn't the only native language of the English kings, there were also other dialects like Occitan for example (probably the first language of Richard the Lionheart), well actually Occitan may be considered another language entirely, in southern France. It's the court/administrative language that didn't change until English took over, it remained Parisian French (unless I read something wrong) until the 100 Years War messed things up. Normans from Normandy continued to speak a fairly intelligible variety of French, if anything it became closer to standard french. It probably wasn't the dialect spoke by the english kings in the late medieval period though, as said above the Plantagenets kings had different dialects as their native language. That dynasty wasn't especially Norman, they came from Anjou, a little south of Normandy.
@albinjohnsson2511
@albinjohnsson2511 Жыл бұрын
English "cat" has proto-germanic roots, and it is pronounced with a k-sound in other Germanic languages as well. It is "katt" here in Sweden, "katze" in German, etc.
@wertyuiopasd6281
@wertyuiopasd6281 Жыл бұрын
Not really accurate. Many langues d'Oïl shared that trait.
@martinbynion1589
@martinbynion1589 11 ай бұрын
Another interesting factor in the coming of the Normans to England is that they were not, as many people assume, of latin descent, but, as the name indicates Norse (Norman); in other words, Vikings, who had invaded and settled Normandy between about 800 and 1030.
@GeordieDaz666
@GeordieDaz666 Жыл бұрын
Mate I'm English and your pronunciation of that Old English at the beginning sounded better to me than when I read it out loud 5 seconds before you 🤣
@stirlingmoss4621
@stirlingmoss4621 Жыл бұрын
you're Geordie, right, so not English speaking.
@GeordieDaz666
@GeordieDaz666 Жыл бұрын
@@stirlingmoss4621 ouch 🤣🤣
@jonathangoll2918
@jonathangoll2918 Жыл бұрын
Braveheart referred to Longshanks and your "gentle son". These are Edward I and Edward II, and their mother-tongue would have been French; but notice that their name is English. Edward I's father, Henry III, had a devotion to the last main Saxon King, St Edward the Confessor. So already Englishness was creeping in. English literature was really getting going again, with the poet Geoffrey Chaucer, who died about 1400. The great expert in the English of these times was Professor Ronald Tolkien, of the Lord of the Rings, who was particularly expert in the West Midland dialect of Middle English. ( Langland's Piers the Plowman, Sir Gawaine and the Green Knight.) I never like Henry IV being called a 'usurper'. Richard II was a nasty little psychopath, very full of the idea that everyone must do as he says, and Parliament exercised its ancient right to put another member of the Royal Family on the throne. Our present Queen can speak French. It was considered important for her to learn it, since she was to become Queen of Canada, a bilingual country.
@corringhamdepot4434
@corringhamdepot4434 Жыл бұрын
On top of that, Latin would have been the international diplomatic language. Which most "educated" and church people would have learned.
@JH-ty3ic
@JH-ty3ic Жыл бұрын
Henry IV and William the "Bastard", neither were born royal and both became King by "right of conquest".
@pedanticlady9126
@pedanticlady9126 Жыл бұрын
King Henry IV (Henry of Bolingbroke) was the eldest son of John of Gaunt (1st Duke of Lancaster), who was the 3rd son of Edward III. Henry was a 1st cousin to King Richard II and, like his cousin, they were both grandsons of Edward III. They had the same amount of "royal blood" as each other.
@stirlingmoss4621
@stirlingmoss4621 Жыл бұрын
Forest is a large wood, not Forrest
@tiber64
@tiber64 Жыл бұрын
“The King” the movie be like Hollywood blog buster fans : 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 People who actually knows History : 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️
@motelghost477
@motelghost477 Жыл бұрын
6:37 My ONLY better died on the cross for my salvation, Him aside NOBODY is better than me.
@sumalx
@sumalx Жыл бұрын
A cave can have a chamber but it doesn't have rooms. In Portuguese we have both words. Chamber = câmara wich is a closed space inside a structure. Room = quarto wich is one of the compartments inside a house.
@MelbourneLife
@MelbourneLife Жыл бұрын
Richard II was Henry Bolingbroke's first cousin. At the time of the usurpation (1399) Bolingbroke was third in line to the English throne. He was the grandson of king Edward III. So to say that he was brought up outside the royal family is simply not true. So why was king Henry IV (Bolingbroke) the monarch who finally made English the official language of his royal court? I think the answer is pretty clear. His great childhood friend was Thomas Chaucer, the eldest son of Geoffrey Chaucer (the author of The Canterbury Tales). Henry IV's father was Prince John of Gaunt, the duke of Lancaster, who was Geoffrey Chaucer's great patron. It seems pretty clear that there was a direct line of influence running from Chaucer to John of Gaunt and then to Henry IV. Henry's deep friendship with Thomas Chaucer would also have helped. I have no doubt that the great vernacular poet (Chaucer) would have been a powerful advocate for the English language.
@divifilius
@divifilius Жыл бұрын
After the Norman Conquest it is King Edward III who was said to have been the first English King who spoke English as a first language.
@dargaard93
@dargaard93 Ай бұрын
Even the Ridley Scott's "Napoleon" is still far more historically acurate than "The King", a complete invented story.
@herrbonk3635
@herrbonk3635 Жыл бұрын
0:15 English is not as unique as it is portrayed. Most european languages (germanic, slavic, even romance) were influenced by French around the 1500s to 1700s. This was mainly chic Parisian French though (not old Normand French). My native Swedish was heavily affected, with thousands of words and word stems. Some of which are used in a similar way in English, others completely different. Our umbrella = paraply (from parapluie), for instance. So "we" changed the spelling to our system instead of altering pronunciation and prosody, basically. (May perhaps be the reason why some native English speakers find Swedish sounding a bit "French".)
@albinjohnsson2511
@albinjohnsson2511 Жыл бұрын
THIS. It is just that many anglos on the internet are monolingual and have nothing to compare with, and they probably like the feeling of English somehow being "special".
@wertyuiopasd6281
@wertyuiopasd6281 Жыл бұрын
Yes^^ People forget French actually replaced latin, and their population was massive, and they were powerful. Their population alone was higher than whole Europe put together till the XIXth century. It is said that between 41% and 60% of english words come directly from Old French and middle, modern French.
@neilgayleard3842
@neilgayleard3842 Жыл бұрын
They didn't stop speaking French. They were replaced by English people.
@ayeready6050
@ayeready6050 Жыл бұрын
Not technically true. The first King of England after the house of Plantagenet was Henry VII who was born in Wales
@leonidasthermopylae3378
@leonidasthermopylae3378 Жыл бұрын
It is a nice movie but it is totally inaccurate historically. The French king was not present at the battle of agincourt.
@Naylte
@Naylte Жыл бұрын
01:49 Let's see if my recollection of Old English is any good. "King Alfred greeted Bishop Wilfred with words of love and friendship." I believe is the translation. Incidentally, the word for 'king' is spelt wrong; should be 'cyning'. 08:30 I beg to differ; in at least two documentaries on the matter the argument was that Henry IV chose to use English as the vernacular of the royal court as a way to associate himself with the nation and people, in contrast to Richard II's attitude which was comparable to that of John and Charles I in the sense of "I am the King! I can do what I like!"
@wertyuiopasd6281
@wertyuiopasd6281 Жыл бұрын
English has between 41% and 60% is made of french words, mostly old french.
@halileryalcn5846
@halileryalcn5846 Жыл бұрын
Bro, check out Suleiman the Magnificent series from extra credits. Its pretty cool😀
@trevdestroyer8209
@trevdestroyer8209 Жыл бұрын
Can you react to the newly released video by epic history tv about HMS Victory?
@lindylou7853
@lindylou7853 Жыл бұрын
Er, well they started speaking French and then the spoke English and then they spoke German, because we imported the Elector of Brunswick-Lüneburg (aka Hanover) to be our king as he was the nearest Protestant royal relative. George III was the first King George to speak English. Queen Elizabeth speaks French and German. Prince Philip spoke French, German and English although he was a Danish Prince of Greece.
@xenotypos
@xenotypos Жыл бұрын
As far as I know, only one king spoke German, and it was just as an individual it wasn't the whole court or anything. It's a bit different imho.
@davidrowlands441
@davidrowlands441 Жыл бұрын
On the same theme when did the Norman's stop speaking whatever viking language they spoke and start speaking French? The Vikings only went to Normandy in the 900s so what did they speak before then?
@danilapolesciuk4316
@danilapolesciuk4316 Жыл бұрын
The first generation viking settlers were pretty assimilated so the children or grandchildren of the first settlers
@xenotypos
@xenotypos Жыл бұрын
Very fast. Apparently, they were they best immigrants in the world. They even started to take a little pride at how civilized they were, far from the raiders of the past. One or two generations was enough. Probably, the fact that the locals in Normandy ounumbered the immigrants anyway, helped a lot.
@wertyuiopasd6281
@wertyuiopasd6281 Жыл бұрын
They lost it in less than 2 generations. They became romans (French :D) just like the Franks did very early on. Their mothers were French as well, french population was huge.
@araptorofnote5938
@araptorofnote5938 Жыл бұрын
Queen Elizabeth II speaks French, German, New Zeali and Strine. Her son, The Prince of Wales is fluent in Pidgin, But speaks mostly crap.
@cireenasimcox1081
@cireenasimcox1081 Жыл бұрын
Um..as a speaker of Melanesian Pidgin, I'm afraid that the idea of Charles being 'fluent' in Pidgin is not quite right. His speech-writers included Pidgin in his speeches...but he wasn't able to speak it IRL. No pidgin speakers include R.P. into their language!!
@araptorofnote5938
@araptorofnote5938 Жыл бұрын
@@cireenasimcox1081 oh! So it looks like fake inclusivity will be a big feature of the next reign.
@panther7748
@panther7748 Жыл бұрын
Btw, this movie (where the thumbnail picture comes from) is crap. Really, really unhistorical. If you want to get a glimpse of how Henry V. and the battle of Agincourt really looked like, you have to watch the Laurence Olivier film from the 1940s
@wewenang5167
@wewenang5167 Жыл бұрын
goat= germanic mutton= french, cow=germanic beef= french....ect ect...
@eddhardy1054
@eddhardy1054 Жыл бұрын
Should be: sheep= germanic, mouton= french ...etc etc...
@Be-Es---___
@Be-Es---___ Жыл бұрын
The answer on this question is: "when they started to speak German".
@jonochristian2256
@jonochristian2256 Жыл бұрын
context english is all about context remember this when you wonder about pronounciation.
@daseteam
@daseteam Жыл бұрын
Have you ever thought of doing an Open University/ history degree?
@domdolittle
@domdolittle Ай бұрын
The truth of the matter, England was a French colony for centuries, and yes French was the language of most Royal courts of Europe. France was for almost a millennium 'the super power' of Europe... The English language as we speak it, is made of over 30% of French words, which is more than any other language that English thieves have stolen from other languages. In reality, you could say that we now speak Frenglish other than English !
@ayeready6050
@ayeready6050 Жыл бұрын
Yes, in Braveheart I think there's a scene where a French princess is speaking French in King Edward's court and the whole court can't understand her despite the fact that Norman French would've been the language of the English court 😭 yet another reason to not watch that shitshow of a film ever again. I don't know why you like it so much 🤣
@williambranch4283
@williambranch4283 Жыл бұрын
Paris has always been the standard in all things French (but don't ask S France).
@ayeready6050
@ayeready6050 Жыл бұрын
@@williambranch4283 I'm not sure what you mean. I'm referring to King Edward I of England. He was a Norman so the language of his court would've been Anglo Norman French. Sure, the French Princess would've probably spoken Parisian French but it was probably intelligible to Norman French speakers.
@williambranch4283
@williambranch4283 Жыл бұрын
@@ayeready6050 But being French Parisian, she would have been disgusted by such an argot ;-)
@marcushertz4434
@marcushertz4434 Жыл бұрын
Because the movie is about the american revolutionary war, not the rebellion of William Wallace
@ayeready6050
@ayeready6050 Жыл бұрын
@@marcushertz4434 assuming you're referring to History Buff's review on it?
@cireenasimcox1081
@cireenasimcox1081 Жыл бұрын
It's a common mis-apprehension that the English spoke French during The Bastard's reign. OK, the Courtiers & the 10 percenters spoke Norman French - but this was not "French"; it was, as it says on the tin, Norman French - vastly different to Parisian French of the time. The thing about English is that, despite what was going on historically, it was spoken by the average Brit.. If you research this topic you'll find that the French words were the words of Law & Rule and Edicts. Which was one of the reasons (apart from illiteracy) Town Criers were engaged to ring their bells and tell the ordinary folk what was going on.
@williambranch4283
@williambranch4283 Жыл бұрын
Until 1453, the French king was a Norman joke ;-) Same year Constantinople became Istanbul.
@xenotypos
@xenotypos Жыл бұрын
Not "vastly", Norman french was one of the dialects closest to Parisian French. The dialects from the Oil continuum (the northern half of France, roughly) were rather close to each other, mostly intelligible. It's the southern dialects that were vastly different: Occitan could be considered another language entirely, with varied regional dialects in the south, in a fashion similar to the Oil language in northern France. Provencal was also a different language. And then there were the languages that didn't have anything to do with standard French, like Breton in Britanny.
@cireenasimcox1081
@cireenasimcox1081 Жыл бұрын
@@xenotypos ​ @xenotypos Well, mate, you had me scratching my head over the "oil continuum" - my thoughts went straight to BP and Shell etc!😆The penny dropped when I realised you were referring to the "Langues d'oil" which did indeed form a continuum which stretched to Belgian and the Channel Islands. So, yeah, maybe the "vastly" might have been a little OTT. But most students will have studied early French poetry - written in beautiful Court-French. They think reading Norman French is going to be a doddle - then find they are dealing with a very different tongue....in comparison. My main point was to try to present the reality behind the common misunderstanding that *the English* spoke French. Rather: :- what comes down to us from the time may be some documents written in French. But keep in mind that all the other documents will have been written in Latin. Yet no-one suggests that *the English* all spoke Latin, do they? English was not considered an official language then, so it was able to expand and in fact at the time of the Norman Kings the English language thrived . (It's always amused me that many Norman ladies gave strict instructions not to teach the children in English. Then hired English nurses and nanny's and kitchen staff who spoke nothing but English. They grew up bi-lingual though: but kept from their parents the news that their ears had been sullied with that uncouth, rude tongue all their lives!🤣🤣)
@wertyuiopasd6281
@wertyuiopasd6281 Жыл бұрын
I can read Norman French just like I can read Old french. These are dialects of Langues d'Oïl, they're intelligible. Do you read or speak French? You can try. I don't agree with Langues d'Oc not being French languages.
@wertyuiopasd6281
@wertyuiopasd6281 Жыл бұрын
@@xenotypos Les langues d'Oc sont de l'ancien français. La séparation réelle de ces deux dialects français arrivent très tard, vers le XVIIIe siècle.
@FabriceLEQUEUX
@FabriceLEQUEUX 24 күн бұрын
AZINCOURT
@stirlingmoss4621
@stirlingmoss4621 Жыл бұрын
the review narrator doesnt make sense. For that time period he's talking gibberish.
@christineharding4190
@christineharding4190 Жыл бұрын
Irritating background music.
@ayeready6050
@ayeready6050 Жыл бұрын
The music is in the original video. Not Connor's fault.
@williambranch4283
@williambranch4283 Жыл бұрын
French isn't Germanic ... Sacre Bleu!
@herrbonk3635
@herrbonk3635 Жыл бұрын
It's acually partly germanic and celtic. The Franks were a germanic tribe.
@wertyuiopasd6281
@wertyuiopasd6281 Жыл бұрын
@@herrbonk3635 The french language is only barely germanic at all, but yhea its base is latin and celtic.
@lunog
@lunog Жыл бұрын
English has not only a strong French language influence but also has a previous very strong influence from the Latin language due to the Roman occupation of England during the Roman Empire times. The amount of Latin words in the English language is very considerable. That´s, for example, the explanation for why so many words in English are similar to Latin family speaking languages words like the Spanish, Italian, French or Portuguese languages. Just as a small example: The word "Reaction" comes originally from the Latin word "Reactio" en.wiktionary.org/wiki/reactio#Latin
@ayeready6050
@ayeready6050 Жыл бұрын
I don't think many Latin words would've remained from the Roman occupation. Most of the Latin and Greek words we have in English were introduced during the Enlightenment because of progress in scientific studies resulted in the need to create new words for new inventions and concepts.
@lunog
@lunog Жыл бұрын
@@ayeready6050 Yes, that´s also true, especifically for science related words. But there are also many "common" English words that come from Latin and that are not forcibly related to the French language and that suggest a previous Roman/Latin connection. Also, dont forget that Roman occupation of England lasted for around 400 years and that´s more than enough for a language to, at least partially, impose itself. Just in this my paragraph above, the words "especifically", "science", "related", "common", "forcibly", "language", "suggest", "previous", "connection", "occupation", "partially" and "impose" are all from Latin origin (and the words "paragraph" and "origin" also, btw).
@neilbuckley1613
@neilbuckley1613 Жыл бұрын
You do realise that the Romans invaded Britain, a country of Celts speaking a language that was ancestor of Welsh. England only came about post Roman occupation with the arrival of the Anglo-Saxons who took little linguistic influence from the inhabitants.
@lunog
@lunog Жыл бұрын
@@neilbuckley1613 I´m aware of that. Naming it England because we are talking talking about the English language. Also, something I forgot to mention in my previous post; Latin was also the Christian Church and Christian priests official language, and was also the diplomatic and erudit language among all western Christian kingdoms, so, all Christian kings and nobles have to knew their Latin during all the middle ages. The pagan rulers, like the Anglo-Saxons kings and nobles that invaded Britannia after the Romans, they all eventually also got to coexist with Latin once they converted to Christianism.
@wertyuiopasd6281
@wertyuiopasd6281 Жыл бұрын
It is really doesn't. Nothing was preserved from latin, besides a few church words. The main source of latin in the english language is French by 41% ot 60% of words of total english words being french (Old, middle and modern french words). This is a common myth I've seen a lot of times. Just go find a text from Old English, and then Middle english. Now compare them to Old French and Middle French.
41% of the ENGLISH LANGUAGE is FRENCH. How did this happen?
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