How to Level a Rifle Scope Round Table : American Airgunner TV

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American Airgunner Round Table on How to Level an air rifle Scope with Tom Gaylord the Godfather of Airguns, Jim Chapman the American Airgun Hunter, Rick Eutsler of Airgun Web, and Rossi Morreale host of Airgunner TV Show.
This content about airgun scopes was recorded in years past. Discovered in our archives as unpublished on KZfaq. Please enjoy.
Also air gun discussions on Parallax, magnification, shooter differences, first-time basics, confidence, variable scopes, and the panel's favorite scopes.
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@raulbreceda5809
@raulbreceda5809 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you guys for all your knowledge taught me alot got me wanting to be a air gunner hunter
@stevejenkins9984
@stevejenkins9984 6 жыл бұрын
raul breceda get one u wont regret it! I suggest getting a hand pump and pcp to start. Springers are great but u gotta learn to shoot em!
@daviddodson3807
@daviddodson3807 6 жыл бұрын
I use a string, or a makeshift plumb bob and line the crosshairs with it. I use a regular carpenters level to make sure the gun is level on my kitchen table, then hang the plumb bob off a cabinet door and line the verticle line on the crosshair with the string on the plumb bob, it works for me.
@EarthSurferUSA
@EarthSurferUSA 3 жыл бұрын
What we want to achieve is the cross hair center, (when sighted in at your favorite yardage), to drop a vertical line through the center of the rifle bore. That should be the vertical cross hair line. Even if your scope mount is a bit off from one side to the other, (which would make the cross hairs look indexed a bit), if you keep the hair vertical, your mill dots will be in the right place, in relation to the barrel. I am just going to imagine a line from the center of my cross hairs, (when sighted in), going through the center of the rifle bore, (which will be my vertical cross hair),--and figure out a way to achieve that. :) Then I can see that bubble level working on the barrel, for long distances, if it is representing the horizontal cross hair accurately.
@biagiocozza2933
@biagiocozza2933 6 жыл бұрын
Great video guys. You guys had a fantastic round table, it was awesome. Loved it
@petersoden7558
@petersoden7558 6 жыл бұрын
Great discussion! Thank you!
@skinnymitchairgunbrotherho7152
@skinnymitchairgunbrotherho7152 6 жыл бұрын
Fantastic show
@AltonRowell-gb1lb
@AltonRowell-gb1lb 5 жыл бұрын
I put the scope ring basses on ,then level the rifle. Then I set the scope in the rings and level the scope. Then I put a scope bubble on the scope tube while the scope is level. Now evory time I shoot ,I make sure the bubble is level.
@airgunangie17
@airgunangie17 3 жыл бұрын
Great info guys! Thanks!
@richardcampbell5762
@richardcampbell5762 6 жыл бұрын
I always enjoy the videos. But I have to say there is such a thing as level. Thanks for the video guys. From New Mexico.
@paulalan3351
@paulalan3351 2 жыл бұрын
The BEST WAY..
@ronaldmoffett3498
@ronaldmoffett3498 6 жыл бұрын
Rossi! This was a great KZfaq for the information and the interaction of you four! By the way, the past two AmericanAirgunner episodes on television have been the best. The past two have been show casing the Umarex Hammer in a hunting environment. First you then a young lady. The best! Keep it up!
@stevejenkins9984
@stevejenkins9984 6 жыл бұрын
Ronald Moffett where did u find them show case the umarex hammer? On the season teaser or is it an episode not on you tube? Id be grateful to see the hammer being used. Thanks
@americanairgunner
@americanairgunner 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ronald...I'm glad you're enjoying the new season.. We appreciate you watching. -rossi
@felgate11
@felgate11 Жыл бұрын
The Late John Spencer, multi World Snooker Champion, played with a bent cue & a 6 inch nail in the butt end for balance. The point being is that he always held the cue in the same position, so to him, it was straight. It's the same as knowing your Gun!!
@einstein0808
@einstein0808 4 жыл бұрын
This is great!!
@willie_mccoy
@willie_mccoy 4 жыл бұрын
My speakers were broken, so I mounted a tennis ball on my air rifle.
@patrickpirelli7897
@patrickpirelli7897 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant guys thanks for sharing your knowledge
@americanairgunner
@americanairgunner 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@patrickpirelli7897
@patrickpirelli7897 2 жыл бұрын
I bought a hw95k 177 and put a hawk 3+9+50 on it and I think its a fantastic rifle and set up
@brorjordas1979
@brorjordas1979 6 жыл бұрын
Interesting video' Thanks for this guys! I had too some issues with my break barrel and scope. The mounts made the scope to tilt on either side, depending on scope mount installation. Very annoying. Getting the crosshairs' vertical line continuing thru the center of the bore was not easy. Took some time to get the hang of it. The iron sights even were better for shooting than the scope setting.. haha...
@michaelwilson1023
@michaelwilson1023 Жыл бұрын
The guy in the black hat nails setting up the crispsness of the croshair.
@nealtressler1661
@nealtressler1661 6 жыл бұрын
One thing I’ve been trying on my Airforce Texan is a 2-7x Burris slug gun scope.... parallax set at 75 yds. Been doing well for me, and weighs less than 12 oz....Also , one thing that you didn’t mention.... many scopes have less eye relief at higher power, so it may benefit folks to position the scope for a full sight picture at its highest setting... I know it does me.
@mikekupetsky6879
@mikekupetsky6879 4 жыл бұрын
i have all the fancy tools for mounting and leveling scopes.but i found something that is foolproof but so simple. i shoulder the rifle so its comfortable and look through the scope and look at the door of my shop. the doorframe was built level and its the perfect reference point. if it doesnt line up vertically i adjust it
@jdmbraceyourself9860
@jdmbraceyourself9860 Жыл бұрын
Love it
@americanairgunner
@americanairgunner Жыл бұрын
Lost to lear from the Round Table Sessions.
@danwingo7512
@danwingo7512 5 жыл бұрын
I use a 2 X 7 X 32, and I'm very happy with it's performance.
@misfitsailor
@misfitsailor 6 жыл бұрын
As someone with many scopes, my opinion is that most airgunners are best served with a 4x or 6x fixed scope. Good adjustable scopes are expensive. Cheap zoom scopes usually suffer from parallax issues and distortion. Also, Illuminated crosshairs are fun, but don't leave the battery in them in the off season.
@springerlover113
@springerlover113 2 жыл бұрын
wow guys nice conversation there is so much to learn for a guy like me thanks to you all۔ keep it up۔
@americanairgunner
@americanairgunner 2 жыл бұрын
We love this. We want to help. Keep asking questions and keep growing.
@ravenshield7823
@ravenshield7823 3 жыл бұрын
I shoot with both eyes open, but I was unable to focus the reticle properly unless I kept my weak eye closed, then I got it perfect real easy. I found that odd, and never heard anyone else say that.
@ShootingAndReloading
@ShootingAndReloading 6 жыл бұрын
"there is no such thing as level" - what???!!! The vertical line in the reticle needs to be pointing directly through the centre of the bore. If you don't have it set like this and either dialing in or using "Kentucky holdover" for targets closer or further than your zero range, you will be off target left or right! Setting this up is easy on a bolt action rifle where you can look through the bore and scope at the same time, but on a typical airgun you need to use a system such as the Wheeler Level-Level-Level product.
@richardcampbell5762
@richardcampbell5762 6 жыл бұрын
Kevin Adam I absolutely agree with you.
@randomvideosfilmcollection3161
@randomvideosfilmcollection3161 6 жыл бұрын
Kevin Adam that's a first! Lol Never heard of Kentucky Holdover Lol ...... Kentucky Windage I think is what you're meaning but it's basically meaning your gun having messed up sights that are off or "Way Off" and knowing your gun, and knowing that for example you have to aim at *A to Shoot *B and so on and so forth instead of aiming at *A to shoot *A ......Do you follow me? Checkout IV8888... He has a Video explaining Kentucky Windage.
@chevysilver-ray-dough6328
@chevysilver-ray-dough6328 5 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Whenever I may have a question about guns in general I always consider what Tom has to say because of the years of experience he has. This is the only topic I disagree with him on. Alot of experienced guys say its crucial for the gun and scope to align, this is the first time I've heard someone worth listening to say it doesn't matter. Never the less I'll still at least consider what Tom has to say about a question I might have.
@user-tx4ek3ls9t
@user-tx4ek3ls9t 7 ай бұрын
How about "leveling" your scope with a plum bob and string?? When the string stops swinging, adjust your vertical line in the scope to the string. There you go.
@americanairgunner
@americanairgunner 7 ай бұрын
That will work. Make sure it isn’t a breezy day and ensure your rail is level first.
@user-tx4ek3ls9t
@user-tx4ek3ls9t 7 ай бұрын
tx@@americanairgunner
@felgate11
@felgate11 Жыл бұрын
The "Hawke" 3 to 9 x 50 AO Mildot is all the scope any Air gunner will ever need - around £70 GBP.
@zxxyz
@zxxyz 5 жыл бұрын
There absolutely is "level". You need to first level the gun to make sure it's level, and then you need to level the scope in relation to the gun. I use a level attachment to the picatinny rail to make sure the gun is level, and then I use a level held to the underside of the scope to make sure that is also level (not front to back BTW, but side to side. There's usually a flat spot on the scope just under the elevation/windage adjustment knobs. Although I do like someone's plumb-bob method mentioned further down and will use that now to doublecheck my scope leveling for cant.) Only then, can you tighten down your scope and start zeroing it.
@EarthSurferUSA
@EarthSurferUSA 5 жыл бұрын
I have found with my Leupold freedom scope that the clickers, (caps are flat), are not square with the reticle, so I should use the plum bob method. If your not sure the caps/clickers are not square with the reticle, the plumb bob would eliminate the chance. But I am trying to figure out why it is important to have the gun level if the cross hairs look straight, (cant). It is hard to see the lines from the muzzle compared to the line of the scope over different distances, and what they do. So imagine tilting the gun all the way to 90 degrees, (sideways), and looking through straight cross hairs. Now I can see the bullet would obviously only hit bullseye (from right to left), at the distance where you zeroed your gun at. I think that is a feasible way to look at it. I just thought of it. So I think I will "level the gun" off a flat machined surface like my break barrel block with a small bubble level, and plumb bob the cross hair. Should be good.
@zxxyz
@zxxyz 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I guess technically that's true. The shot is placed in relation to the reticle, so even if the scope is wildly canted you could definitely zero the scope. But then an elevation change wouldn't strictly be for elevation, and you wouldn't be able to use this to correct for ballistics drop at different distances. Similarly for windage and correction for wind.
@jeffhall2958
@jeffhall2958 5 жыл бұрын
So much you've talked about but you failed to mention that most air rifle scopes are 2nd focal plane scopes, not single focal plane scopes. Second focal plane scopes change in point of aim verses point of focus with magnification, first focal plain scopes have the same point of aim and point of impact with increase or decrease of magnification. As the increase of magnification increases on a first focal plane scope goes, the area of view decreases, yet the "mil-dot" for adjustment of fire remains the same. On a second focal plain scope, your increase in magnification also reduces the field of view, AND . . . the point of impact changes per degree of magnification. In the case of Rick Eustler, on his choice of HAWKE scopes, the magnification is in US measurement and the milt-dots are in METRIC measure, which compounds the inaccuracy of shooting with either a first focal plane or second focal plain like the HAWKE scopes. Gentlemen, you need to explain this to your viewers properly or get off the air concerning 1st focal plain vs. 2nd. focal plain and all of the differences concerning them. Parallax is not "JUST" focusing, there's a lot more to it. In a second focal plain scope, SIZE DOES MATTER! . . Magnification wise. Please teach your students watching your show this.
@Tomsgate101
@Tomsgate101 6 жыл бұрын
MIL-MIL scope all the way. Why, oh why do so many scopes mix up MIL sights with MOA turrets?! Madness! It would be like driving a car with an mph tach coupled to a kmh GPS... I also switched to fixed magnification and won't go back to anything else: its first focal plane by design so the MILs are always true... and your ranging becomes a lot easier because the target sizes are proportional to their distance, always. And it's lighter and sturdier. Options and gadgets are fun, but I'll pick reliability, ease of use and familiarity any day. Just my two cents ;)
@airmojo
@airmojo 5 жыл бұрын
Curious what fixed magnification scopes you are using and like... do they have an adjustable objective, and how close can they focus? I would have no problem using say a 10X fixed scope with an AO that can focus down to 7 to 10 yards.
@jeffhall2958
@jeffhall2958 5 жыл бұрын
I like your comments, these guys don't understand first focal plane scopes vs. 2nd focal plane scopes, nor the inherent problems that come with them. As you also said, US yards measurements couple with mil's is hard to calculate, I agree with you, go with Mil-Mil, and a single focal plane scope! Easier to calculate and hit first time shot that way! Great response!
@stevejenkins9984
@stevejenkins9984 6 жыл бұрын
Any word on the umarex gauntlet 25 cal release date? I mean come on umarex im going crazy here! Lol release of the hammer? Anyone have one yet? Thanks guys love this show and what it does for airgunning! Im always showimg ppl my high powered air rifles. Thier amazed as i was when i saw my first big bore. I knew id be an air gunner for life by age 8. Im so glad we have better guns now!
@americanairgunner
@americanairgunner 6 жыл бұрын
We don't have 'em either. Had to give Hammer back. Never have shot a .25 Gauntlet. All I know is the .25 is in production now.
@normanmorris6426
@normanmorris6426 5 жыл бұрын
I put a winchester 2x7x32 on my winchester 1100s works great for me
@will3460
@will3460 6 жыл бұрын
Hey what's up American Air Gunners I was wondering if you guys would do a review on a cheap Walmart pellet Nitro piston it's called a Benjamin Prowler 22 I think it's sponsor 950 ft per second.
@chevysilver-ray-dough6328
@chevysilver-ray-dough6328 5 жыл бұрын
will get a nitro piston 2. Way better
@phildo87
@phildo87 6 жыл бұрын
as a boy I was always taught for hunting you don't need anything more than 3-9.
@ChrisRJ
@ChrisRJ 8 ай бұрын
I was taught scopes are cheating
@erwinfraanje8170
@erwinfraanje8170 4 ай бұрын
I have a Meopta scope which has a white line on the bottom. Match this up with the white line on the scope rings and you are perfectly level. Why don't other brands use this method? it's simple and it works.
@americanairgunner
@americanairgunner 4 ай бұрын
I have seen that done before. However if the machining is off a little on the rail, then this would not work.
@wvoyles
@wvoyles 5 жыл бұрын
actually you need to have the center of scope plumb with center of barrel,and crosshairs level...verify each shot with scope level
@EarthSurferUSA
@EarthSurferUSA 3 жыл бұрын
I find the God Father's explanation a bit confusing, (starting with the tennis ball). If the scope it rotated in the rings, you can still sight it in for what ever yards you sight your gun in at, and be accurate. It is when you use your mill dots where the scope cross hairs should be as level as possible. Leveling means, the vertical hair of your cross hairs, that meets with the center of the cross hairs, also extends down through the center of the rifle bore, (If you were able to draw the extension of the vertical hair). How to do that I am not sure. Then your mill dots will be where they are suppose to be also.
@richardrosenau9292
@richardrosenau9292 6 жыл бұрын
Any additional needs for the Springers and the Magnum Springers? Old info say, they will destroy a regular ballistic rifle scope?
@americanairgunner
@americanairgunner 6 жыл бұрын
While many scopes are equipped to handle "springers" now, some still are not. It's advisable to make sure the scope is dually reinforced to absorb shock on both sides of its lenses.
@suco.man34
@suco.man34 Жыл бұрын
Just need the Diana zero recoil mount and a good scope like UTG or Vortex. Or even better, a SWFA SS.
@sleeka91
@sleeka91 2 жыл бұрын
My favorite part was watching Rick trying to speak for 2 mins with many failed attempts 🤣 happens to me brother
@americanairgunner
@americanairgunner 2 жыл бұрын
Lol happens to us all at some point.
@russellrattys6581
@russellrattys6581 3 жыл бұрын
Hi guys, so, i have moved from scopes to using a night vision scope which you can also use in the day (yukon photon xt) I have found the easiest way to level it, is to eyeball the rifle level on a bipod (level for cant), drop the scope on, aim at a known level like the top of a wall or fence, and lay the horizontal crosshairs in line with the wall Walls are better for this for me,because when im zeroing the scope, i use adjustable mounts and adjust those to get me in the ballpark instead of using the scopes internal zeroing system Then go to the internal system for fine tuning, this leaves the crosshairs as close to the centre of the picture as possible, as the most awful thing for me with night vision is having the cross hairs in the bottom corner or top corner of rhe screen I have found night vision to stop Parallax error because your looking at a screen rather than down an optical tube, so it doesn't matter where your eye is in relation to the scope, where the centre dot on the crosshairs are, is where your pellet is going to land if your correct on the distance Its a fixed power scope ser to 6.5, and i found this is better than a variable power scope, because usually with an air rifle at that magnification, if you cant see it, your not going to hit it anyway Im not trying to strike a match at 70 miles away with an air rifle, km trying to hit a 1 inch circle at around 30 yards maximum, so 6.5 mag is perfect
@itsnotom
@itsnotom 5 жыл бұрын
When I put the scope on, I look at the base of the gun and go from there. Simple
@briekhnaa
@briekhnaa Жыл бұрын
👍
@robertwright7501
@robertwright7501 Жыл бұрын
Not True. Place the rifle on a secure unmovable platform. Place a level on picatinny rail and level the bubble. While the scope is slightly lose in the rings, turn it until the level attached to the scope is also level.Well. how do I know if the level on the scope is where its supposed to be? While its slightly loose run the vertical cross hair until its perfectly centered on the picatinny rail. you can see both the center of the rail and the cross hair. Wish I could upload my bubble set up
@dragonsandfiretankix417
@dragonsandfiretankix417 6 жыл бұрын
hello I have a question and I did not know were to ask, I am moving to a good 5 acre property and want a air gun that can take care of pests from mice to coyotes without scaring a hoarse. Any random tips are also helpful. thanks!
@EarthSurferUSA
@EarthSurferUSA 5 жыл бұрын
From what I have learned so far from my break barrel experience, for coyote and the longer distances you will probably be shooting, you would want a .25 cal or larger PCP gun that puts out at least 50 or 60 fpe. That is not super high power, so you can get quite a few shots off one tank fill. It would also be good for animals to a squirrel size IMO. For mice. Here is a great mouse trap: Type in "rolling log mouse trap". I use one. Works great. Now I am not sure how this random tip will help, but here goes. Vote for Trump, or you won't be able to use a gun for anything.
@lovetigers4806
@lovetigers4806 2 жыл бұрын
But if you level it according to a leveler wouldnt that be leveled lol?? And also I use a cheek marker on my stock to maintain facial position when shooting
@americanairgunner
@americanairgunner 2 жыл бұрын
Head position is just as important as keeping that scope level. Great tip!
@jimphillips7582
@jimphillips7582 4 жыл бұрын
all i can say is listen to Rick....
@YA-ee9zf
@YA-ee9zf 3 жыл бұрын
You don’t need a scope for an air rifle
@robertwright7501
@robertwright7501 Жыл бұрын
Again, not true. back to archery. Sure, if I pick your rifle, our cheek, arms and shoulders won't be the same. Archery. A bows grip. The hands grip and pressure from the hand (torque) on the grips riser won't be the same for each person. But, when the bow is placed in a bow vise the tips the limbs top and bottom vertically, you can level the bows riser grip. Then level the sight rail, then the scope housing 2nd and 3rd axis. You end up with a piece of equipment that is level all the way around. It can be done without a big fuss as a bow is with less steps to a rifle to a scope. I spent over 15 years in the Army Infantry. Our M16A1's where zeroed in as our assigned issued weapon. But, any other soldier can pick that same weapon and hit the target at 400 meters. Yes, 400 Meters. granted its only a peep sight, but 400 meters is very doable. I spent 1 year on a competing Army Rifle Team, 10 of us for National Elimination matches. We eliminated a number of other Army Divisions to make it to the All Army Matches at Ft. Benning, yet we didn't win to be assigned to the All Army Rifle Team. But, it was a good TDY experience for 1 year. I'm saying all of this incase some nay-sayer says 400 meters can't be done with standard issued 5.56 and M16A1's.
@sudo_nym
@sudo_nym 5 жыл бұрын
''Gaylord'' bwaaaa haahaa...
@L.V-Rider
@L.V-Rider Жыл бұрын
Level that - putting a ball on the table. BS. A big BS. This Tom guy is talking BS. With all rifles you have a vertical centre determined at various ways. The scope reticle crosshairs must squared up (level) with that vertical centre of the rifle. If you want to talk BS, don't give it out as the truth.
@americanairgunner
@americanairgunner Жыл бұрын
Not everyone can afford or has the proper tools. It is always a good idea to share alternative methods even if other methods are superior. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Happy shooting.
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