Something grueling 😭

@Mike Studmuffin bruh get the fuck out of here. Watch the full documentary and then come back again. A literal therapist explained how all the girls had severe depression and anxiety. They even ended up in hospital because of panic attacks.

@Mike Studmuffin If you want to kill yourself trying to gain success, you go right ahead, sir, but do not recommend this to others. I have been through so much in life that when I talked about some of it with my therapist, he became traumatized and said "I don't know what to say", yet that does not mean that others should suffer same terrible fate. Get off the hate cloud, sir.

@Mike StudmuffinI don't know what traumatized you, but know that it was not OK and it's not OK to accept that it happens to others either. Numbness is not the same as success.

@Mike Studmuffin boomer

To be fair they signed up for this nobody forced them to auction to be an idol..thus comes with the territory as Korea is very high pressure high standards society

@@daebak7370 That's like saying if you start a job and your company mistreats you, it's your fault for joining. There are supposed to be laws and rules to prevent this kind of abuse from taking place. It's called employee rights.

@@Miyawakiss I dont condone the mistreatment of humans period regardless of any career. Im just saying that drastic or "extreme" measures required to obtain an idol look and instill discipline comes with the territory of this profession.

@@daebak7370 We have our opinions and I stand on mine that these companies still have no right to impose such extremes on all those young people even in this industry. It's not being hard on them. It's giving them eating disorders, mental illnesses as well as ruining them as a person. It's abusive and toxic.

@@Miyawakiss so very well they can just quite, if you’re not happy about this just go , find something different that make you happy. Being famous isn’t easy , because if it was everyone will be in tv 📺 . I make a simple life ( because it makes me happy) and it’s hard , imagine what happens to be there, the Idol , the top of the top .

Strong character

@@daebak7370 no, the opposite, you dont have to tolerate abuse, only people with low boundary settings do that

This. This is inhumane beyond definition.

Still strong and persistent​@@jjba3571

💕💕 love you 🥺

we love you

It's the angel :) hahaha

고생많았어요 ㅠㅠ

We all love you sera!

Thank you for your hard work!

They're literally getting abused by their companies.... horrible

I think you mean legal age, or even minors (since minors are worse than legal, you would put it after the 'or even').

But all people have to understand and know that, for example, the extremely diet is because of the society. If you have "curves" they consider you fat. Even if you weight is 50kg, it's fat for that society, no matter your age, height, sex. It's because of the society, the companies do thing according to the society. The society is what must change

@@karenr.8929 It's far easier to change a company's policy and way of thinking than a society/community

watch the full documentary if you haven't already, its called the nine muses of star empire. its on youtube and has subs

Sadlly is the truth that happens

honestly

The sad part is a lot of the Koop idols are probably being treated like this but it’s just never shown 😢

Watch cna insider too then

Slavery has always been there sadly. It's just a modern version

For maximum profit!!! Money more important than humanity!!!!!!

and they don't even earn a thing besides stress and health problems :/ all that just because they want to sing...

Greed and power = money = more greed and power

Because of money That's the world we are living now People care about money and beauty more than any thing

Honestly? I think that people choose to ignore it because they're a bit "part of the problem". Saesangs and sexualisation are reasons why there are so many kpop haters out there (same with Justin Bieber, One Direction and so on). Really. Before i got into kpop i met so many people (especially girls because, i think, in Europe or America it isn't very socially acceptable for boys to listen to pop) who were having crush on their idols, sexualizing them, being obsessed with them and it really rubbed me the wrong way. I don't know if i could call myself a hater back then, but i had negative opinion on kpop because of these people. I started listening to it because of my best friend who was a girl group stan (and i've never met anyone obsessed with female idol yet so i wasn't so "discouraged") and i am still hardcore girlgroup stan but i can't get myself into any boygroup because it reminds me about these fans, that i've met couple years ago, who wanted to date them and it creeps me out. Of course i'm not saying that all fans of BTS or EXO or any boygroup are like that (and obviously i don't want to hate on these groups, i think they're talented boys since they're succesful in such competitive industry), but i'm just saying that i was unlucky to have met only that worse part of the kpop fandom and, unfortunately, it managed to influence my opinion on music itself. And I'm not saying that girlgroup stans are so great and i'm better than anyone! No, no, no! Absolutely no! We have to remember that in Asia, since i belive men aren't shamed so often for their music taste, so they actually listen to pop, sexualization of girls is also present and i think it's even more common than towards male idols (just like we see in this video). So sad conclusion is that kpop industry is kinda built on fans' obsession and having romantic interest in idols (i think that's why there is dating ban... because of jealous fans) and it's hard to swallow pill, but, just like you've said, we need to be aware of the dark side of kpop.

omg i accidentaly wrote whole essay XD Sorry for any mistakes, English is not my first language

@@zosiexofficial You're fine, I understand what you mean.

I don't think people ignore it these days unless they're 12. How idols are treated like shit by their companies and how the public (mainly korean) likes to put them under fire for every step they take is not fresh news to any kpop stan or even casual listener at this point, since kpop got big in the west articles about the dark side of kpop pop up every time, and people love to use the narrative that kpop groups are 100% controlled plastic dolls (even western pop artists, specially when pop was bigger in the 00's and early 10's, were just as manufactured, the west just hides it better and has other focuses instead of not dating or dancing). Things are very slowly starting to change, extreme diets are not talked about with praise on tv anymore, a few idols date here and there and even if they do face backlash, it's not even half of what it was before, when dating could end your idol life, so maybe in 10 more years the industry will look completely different? Idk. And about the having crushes on idols thing that the other person mentioned, I don't see what's wrong with it? Having a little crush on someone we think is cute and admire is natural and out of our control, and not the same as obsession lol, you can have it without thinking that you want to marry them or not respecting their personal life choices, I don't see why you should group someone who thinks their favorite idol is attractive with sassaengs, let the girls live lol 💀 not to mention girls who obsess over gg's can have crushes on them too, not everyone is straight and the lgbtq+ communitie is very present in the kpop fandom

y’all need to stop calling this a kpop problem and realize that every music industry is just as messed up, but in different ways. Look at Hollywood and how some people end up there I’m not saying to ignore it but kpop is extremely demonized compared to other industries when it’s not really worse

i feel the same way. they were talking about the girls like they werent even human. also when one of the girls asked the camera man if she can take ONE BITE of food ????? awful

@@EddieJrDigiarts unfortunately it’s not that shocking. But keep in mind they are young girls. Seriously all they wanted was to have a music career they didn’t come to sell their bodies. It didn’t have to result in these disgusting actions and in no way can we justify this by saying “it’s in the contract”. There needs to be reform in the music industry. Your apathy is the reason there are problems bc no one is calling them out for it

@@EddieJrDigiarts regardless of whether I watch Kpop or not people will always aspire to become musicians, the responsibility is these music companies to hold themselves accountable.

@@EddieJrDigiarts what is with people like you victim blaming? “They asked for this, they signed up for this”. Just because they wanted a music career doesn’t allow them to be abused. It isn’t shocking but your statement makes it sound insensitive.

@@alexiswu6405 👏

They were good singers and performers but their music was not good. The playboy song was horrible

That's so good to hear for someone who also has unconventional body proportions. I also believe Sera is one of the most if not the most stunning girl in Korea

shes probably somewhere on top 10 there, but if i have to mention the most ideal one, I guess it's Sistar Boa? but Koreans do not like that kind of body tho :(

the whole point of these discussions is that ALL bodies are ideal, as long as they are taking care of you

@Salt & Spice I agree with you,ofc , any body is ideal ,but this automatically means that her own body is also ideal ,I just wanted to say that she was always nice , other members too,the company had no reason to put them into such strict diets

Thats the problem. Saying she is ideal or further perpetuating that you need to have a certain body type to be desired.

remember when it was a regular occurrence on weekly idol to measure the waists of girl group members and it was a competition...

@@user-ey6lq9qe3n dudeeee... really?! I must hve missed those parts.. thats so wrong 😭

@@user-ey6lq9qe3n wtf......

Ikr -_- i love 1n2d and although they are all male, the s3 cast was SUPER rude about Defcon's weight. I got so frustrated at times. Mean hurt esp about someone's physical appearance =/= funny nor entertaining

@@user-ey6lq9qe3n they did WHAT 😵

Yes. They're sometimes told to lie by their company so there's no backlash. Similar to Lovelyz.

@@milkbread5036 thats sad, i mean its pretty obvious that they are on a constant watchout for their weight ....kinda worried for itzy now :c

Honestly, now it makes a lot of sense when idols get super excited to eat food on tv programs. It's probably the only meal they'll have that day :(

When you're constantly starving and dieting you forget what a normal amount looks like. I think a lot of idols who say they eat "a lot" eat small amounts frequently through the day because they are so busy and have only one real meal, if any

You can tell that they get told to say this to maintain a relatable image. I’ve even noticed it’s usually that skinniest members of groups that get the “foodie” title.

Yeah there was a big difference in her aura when she was in 9muses and going solo

i think its kind of similar to the idea of having a whipping boy for princes in the olden days. the company figure that members probably don't care about getting reprimanded individually for skipping practice, but they don't want sera to be punished because she's a literal angel

in a lot of the videos she honestly looked like she wasnt mentally there, she looked so depressed but when u start seeing videos after she left she looks better like she was healing. im sure its still hard cuz that trauma and abuse left their mark and its not easy to heal and work thru it but i hope she is getting help and will be in a better place mentally

right? there are some who start at 10...it's just not right i hate this industry so much

Why do some of them even need to train though? what if they worked for their talent their whole lives were immediately signed and allowed creative freedom? I think more of this needs to happen.

@@floralfancy7814 that's a good option too! There's so much focus on training to be perfect, and to be media ready. I think less training is more viable for solo acts but groups probably will still need some training to become synchronized and match each other's skill level. Either way, churning out teenagers in short skirts and normalizing it is veiled child sa

I completely agree! All that's happening is idols are becoming younger and younger and although they're all very talented, I worry this isn't good for them.

@@bristidas322 Really? I cannot imagine how she has lost her childhood. She should have enjoyed her childhood but ripped off in the name of fame and money by sick adults .

Lana: Bitch no im gonna DJ instead since your company is trash.

I agree with you I would definitely fired their words back at them, even if you say shit about anyone else, let karma bite you, face the consequences and lose everything

he probably did nothing. like sera says later on in the vid, ppl dont really believe or accept mental health so that doc was there for nothing. all these girls wanted to do was to achieve their dreams of being singers dancers etc and instead got abused traumatized put in debt and fired

same, i think its an important video but i hope she doesnt see it

Imagine having someone analyzing your weight and every diet or eating disorder you had on a public KZfaq video. I’d be traumatized ngl

@@fanboyioi4441 literally, so weird how obsessive ppl are with idols bodies. ppl gotta leave them alone and just keep quiet

@@dubudubudan No this video is not important. Their documentary which is already out is more important and shows the story better. This video is just for views and for some reason y’all keep going ‘do this person next’ in comments like yall are solving the corrupt system by watching a KZfaq video about idols weight. When really you guys just enjoy it.

@@fanboyioi4441 I honestly like the videos this person does since show how comments and a lot of stuff can affect them, the Uee video for example and how the "honey tight" title they used to call her, cause her a lot problems

And people swear looks didn’t matter in 2nd gen when it did

Chaeryoung has such a nice body

This is the reason why i hate korean beauty standards. Unlike western standards, everything is acceptable

Chaeryong's body is healthy and slim but these girls...

hopefully that starts changing with people like hwasa and others with different body types coming in and not only being confident but their companies let them be who they are. tho even mamamoo's company sucks because the girls are still losing weight and were told that since they arent pretty their vocals need to be perfect to make up for it. even models at least in the west are slowly starting to be more diverse. there were finally normal body types and sizes at a versace show which i think is pretty good even if the change is slow

@@gracewood6768 Wouldn't exactly say *everything* is acceptable in western standards. It's definitely getting better but it's not quite there yet. Definitely miles better than the korean beauty standards though. That's for sure.

There's this one rookie boygroup accidentally told on camera that they diet i feel so bad cz they are still underage . Like 14 and 15

@@ae_delle7394 which one ? Do you know

@@ae_delle7394 enhypen?

They're not really that big group but im scared it may affected them. It's really sad how they feel like dieting and starving is like some kind of achievement and felt proud. They literally hope they look good for the cb because they did dieting (when they already skinny to begin with ).

It's easy to tell if it's their genes, too, which makes it worse because fans choose to be ignorant about their idols' struggles with weight.

Guys go through it too. I remember watching Shindong and Kangin constantly yo-yoing with their weight. Sad thing is SM management put the pressure on Leeteuk to make sure they lost the weight every time they regained it. It also seemed like every idol group was collectively getting thinner. Now it’s all about showing off their six packs. It’s really sad how inhumane management groups are to these kids. Kpop needs to stop acting surprised every time an idol commits suicide. The body and brain can only handle so much before it looks for a way to stop the pain.

@@adeleennis2255 girl bye

@@adeleennis2255 no one said they didn’t miss thing ...

also side note sh*ndong fat shamed women numerous times... not the time to be mentioning him mama bye 🤨

totally agreed also I laughed out loud bc I knew there before expanding the replies there would be a "what about the men" comment

yes we'll never say this enough, i discovered this channel around 2017 and was very much insecure and under the influence of pro-ana communities on internet, i used to look up to the thinnest idols out there thinking i should diet just like them ( i was in middle school) Thankfully i discovered this channel and simultaneously started to mature, learn how to accept and take care of myself as well as meet the right people. So even though this change/growth is due to many factors i am still incredibly thankfull to this channel for just existing and doing things right sorry i just felt like ranting

The industry has certainly improved since this documentary. Even Sera herself said it’s much better now for trainees and idols

@@fanboyioi4441 I know it is, but smaller companies are still abusing their idols. And not many years ago we saw what happened to the chinese members of exo.

@@le96g I mean look at CLC Elkie and cube is actually a big company, Momoland, DSP letting hyunjoo of April get bullied, look at how many minor idols are sexualized like Yuna, Tzuyu at debut, Yeri singing ice cream cake, the underage NCT boys doing sexual movements, Somi her entire career as a minor, I feel so uncomfortable watching woo!ah! because they have like 3 minors I think and their dresses are so short and some of the choreo is very suggestive. I agree nothing has REALLY changed, we still have so many idols being overworked and starving themselves, like some of the ex IZONE girls and GIDLE/ITZY dieting hard for debut and then going to a normal weight after.

You shouldn't listen to any music then...it's difficult everywhere. Each country has it's own standards.

@@nessmiaou3424 oh so sexual harassment and getting treated like dirt is a south korean standart? Yeah makes sense dude.

Idols in Japan are suffering more and the industry isn't great either

Idols in japan suffer as well but it's more about sexualizing, SA and being treated like nothing then never getting paid. Very similar to Kpop. There are exceptions but even in akb48 franchise, there was sexualized issues a while ago with not adult members. Although atleast it's working to change and has been addressed already. For unpopular groups that is not the case, teens may be sexualized and taken advantage of by company but it's their faults, not the company even though they are just school girls who have a dream. Long hours at school to long hours practicing late in the dance studio.

if you actually think any of these groups in any country are about “having fun”, you’re living in a fantasy world…these people are all heavily controlled and monitored then sent out to dance around like puppets, what is fun about that…?

Agree except the last part abt idols in japan, they also usually start in the group since they were teens which makes it creepier

@@drea7732 i think kpop or jpop whatever. someone who controls and breaks human as a being is damn evil. sexualising them is even worser. i definitely think they need a revamp. i cant even imagine. and although fans love what they do and appear on screen, it is so degrading to know that these personalities are curated and what not they are and the agency just feeds off them like a parasite, and it is psychotic as fuck. I would not be a fan of such horrendous and inconspicuous peedophelia, as well as sadistic pain inflicted on humans. it is so lucrative but morally wrong.

To be fair they signed up for this. Nobody forced them to audition to be an idol. Korea is a high pressure high standards society. Not just in the kpop industry. Could they have been treated better? Absolutely but this comes with the territory when you are a trainee you pay your dues in the beginning and the reward is that much more rewarding when the group debuts and reaches whatever level success.

@@daebak7370 so according to you just because they want to be successful as an idol , they have to leave their basic human rights!

The big 3 companies have been known to have cases of mistreatment of this kind too, a good example being JYP and the constant scrutiny their idols are in regarding their weight, some of it even being public (JY Park has made rather harsh comments on his idols' bodies on camera before) and all the extreme cases of dieting SM idols experience. YG isn't completely innocent either.

In a really twisted way BIG3 probably treats their artists better (now) because they have a lot more to lose. If it got out how badly in 2021 they were treating trainess and staff it'd a mess

the worst stuff on here happened 2009-2012, when slave contracts and working conditions are way worse than they are now. obviously companies will still do fucked up shit, but not on the same level. and tbh the big 3 are so competitive and have so many trainees that they probably don't even have to pull the bullshit that star emp did because all of the trainees know that if they complain/gain weight/miss dance practice they'll just be cut

One of the members of Twice (i believe it was Momo?) once talked about how the company ordered her to lose 7kgs in a WEEK. She did it. She did it by not eating anything besides a single ice cube for that entire week, terrified to even drink water for fear it would make her gain weight. She cried herself to sleep, afraid that she wouldn't wake up in the morning.

theres videos of red velvet looking hesitant to eat a small thing of ice cream and kept looking around and asking for permission to eat until taeyeon ordered them to stop intimidating red velvet and told red velvet to just eat its okay, and that wasnt even that long ago maybe 3 to 4 years ago? so shit is still bad

It's not just stress though, she was on a sleep medication and there are some that can totally make you black out and do things you won't remember at all. (Like Ambien, but I don't know if they have that in Korea.) But that's more likely what it was.

There were plenty of woman in the company doing the same and being accomplices to the members mistreatment. You should watch the full documentary 'Nine Muses of Star Empire'.

It was both men and women

And they have the audacity to pick apart the girls, with themselves looking like that! I feel like they were projecting

It was women too. I’m a male but I could never force someone to starve and harm their health.

Girl, if you have watched the entire documentary, you will see how disgusting their women staffs are. They are belittling the members.

I'd say it both

@@bbi2.052 No, it's not A company is 98% influenced by fan attitudes The other 2% is training

Definitely watch Miss Back! The show she was on last year