Amiga COMBAT: 68060 Vs PiStorm32. ChipRam Wars?

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Жыл бұрын

Is it a ChipRam issue? I try to find out! More Head 2 Head Testing!
HAM6 ANIM: drive.google.com/file/d/1RP-b...
HAM8 ANIM: drive.google.com/file/d/1RWZ4...
GiTHUB:github.com/PiStorm/pistorm32-...
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@pauledwards2817 Жыл бұрын

The PiStorm is an amazing bit of work and love the one in my A500. I do think we have to accept that it working as well as it does is incredible when precise timing is needed but it seems to me that the it is important to take on board that the chip memory thing may not be fixed. Still a wonderful thing even with the slow down.

@mvickers03 Жыл бұрын

Greetings from Manchester UK. Lots of love from your new subbie ❤️

@HoldandModify Жыл бұрын

Woohoo and thank you!

@johnwiesen4440 5 ай бұрын

I have got two A1200,one has a TF1260 fullfat running at 50Mzh it might be a rev 5 or 6 the other has PiStorm32 with a Raspberry 3A+. I ran SysInfo 4.4. The TF 1260 chipram was 2X faster than the PiStorm32.

@HoldandModify 5 ай бұрын

Yup. PiStorm still falls on its face for Chipram speeds.

@gerrymangione Жыл бұрын

Found out why MainView was not working right in your video. It happens in NTSC. In PAL it's okay. I also realized that anim playback works better in NTSC than in PAL. The pixel count ist about 20% less so the framerate ist about 20% higher.

@HoldandModify Жыл бұрын

Ahh, okay. Again, more info to help all!

@elmariachi5133 10 ай бұрын

I never used ClariSSA, but from what I remember using the Amiga magazine for all the years, ClariSSA was about converting animations to the then new SSA format, which actually stood for 'super smooth animation', meaning it was optimized for higher frame rates. As I said I did not use the tool, but I can imagine it might simply have converted the anim file to SSA in memory directly while loading the anim. In this case it would not qualify as an valid anim player 'benchmark'.

@HoldandModify 10 ай бұрын

Interesting. Yeah I learned a lot about those tools. Mainactor seemed to be a solid one.

@ridiculous_gaming Жыл бұрын

How long did it take to run your 180 mb animation file? It amazes me what we take for granted today compared to over 30 years ago.

@HoldandModify Жыл бұрын

Run? Render? It’s not mine. No idea. I imagine a while heh.

@estrayk Жыл бұрын

I remember a format called "YAFA" which was the fastest at the time, you could try it out out of curiosity.

@HoldandModify Жыл бұрын

YAFA? I’ll have to dig around. Not heard of that one.

@leejohnson2955 Жыл бұрын

@@HoldandModify the yafa format is created with a program called Wildfire

@andox011 Жыл бұрын

@@leejohnson2955 Yeah, good shout, I've been making massive ANIM5s with Wildfire. Biggest one so far 9500 frames, 350mbs. Been messing around making anims with synced sound, using SCALA to actually play back anims, as you can set the fps, play 8SVX samples (and change the pitch), and stream the ANIM from hard disk (rather than load it all into ram), I can get my Amiga playing the 350mb ANIM, even though it's only got 18mbs of ram, because of the streaming.

@theamigashow9506 Жыл бұрын

Clarissa was awesome.

@HoldandModify Жыл бұрын

It seems insanely powerful. I’m watching the YT video tutorial.

@theamigashow9506 Жыл бұрын

@@HoldandModify I also really liked Adorage, which was their funky DVE program.

@imqqmi Жыл бұрын

Could it be that main actor doesn't support ham mode? Ham doesn't use palletes iirc, it just sets a starting color and then the color difference for the next pixel to the right of the last one. So hold and modify, hold the color then modify for the next pixel etc. Could be that the pi emulation memory isn't as efficient to transfer data from fast ram to chip ram. Display chip can only access chip memory.

@HoldandModify Жыл бұрын

All good points to consider. Especially the HAM support. Hmm.

@gerrymangione Жыл бұрын

I did not have this issue with "Mainactor Broadcast". The sharware version uses probably a older version of the codec or does not support HAM modes at all. Anyways the playback improves greatly if you convert the files from amim5 to anim7-32.

@danielktdoranie Жыл бұрын

I am gonna try these files on my Amigas and report back 😊

@HoldandModify Жыл бұрын

Please do!

@danielktdoranie Жыл бұрын

@@HoldandModify okay… so long story short I have the same issue. I have an A1200 w/ PiStorm32 and a Raspberry Pi Raspberry Pi 3 Model B running CaffeineOS version 919. When I copied the files over from CF card via the A1200’s PCMCIA I copied it over to a partition on the SD Card. What software ran the file? Hell if I know. I clicked on it and it just played via the “HAM6.anim” file via the A1200’s AGA. It had zero load time. Clicked and played… I noticed in your videos, Kevin, that it took a while for the file to, what you said was, copy/load into memory… I dunno if that is what happened to me… as I had zero load time… it makes me think that when I played the file in my Amiga 1200 with CaffeineOS it is playing from the SD card? I really don’t know. I will say I had the same results as you did. The HAM6.anim was slow and the HAM8.anim was a slide show.

@HoldandModify Жыл бұрын

@@danielktdoranie well good to have more testers thank you!

@danielktdoranie Жыл бұрын

@@HoldandModify I will say this… I couldn’t find any macOS software to play these files. I wanted to see what a modern M1 Mac with 16GB of RAM would do… online it said Unity could play them but I couldn’t get Unity to play them. You know of any modern software that can play these?

@HoldandModify Жыл бұрын

@@danielktdoranie yes drive.google.com/file/d/11EweX7TbAB46Bb5TQdQkiWn3KJkE9evm/view?usp=drivesdk

@Vlamat67 Жыл бұрын

Con ScalMultimedia veniva fornito un software che permetteva di vedere le animazioni in Ham6/8 caricandole direttamente da hard disk....quindi ti occorre un Viewer che abbia la possibilità di eseguire questa operazione....

@libbysworld1509 Жыл бұрын

Test playback on the vampire v4. Should be smooth with no slow chip ram access.

@HoldandModify Жыл бұрын

My v4’s IDE was sadly “bricked” after a firmware update months ago. I can’t boot any media with it.

@EricGus67 Жыл бұрын

@@HoldandModify did you ask the Apollo folks if you could send it back to them to diagnose?

@HoldandModify Жыл бұрын

@@EricGus67 I spoke with Gunnar in their Discord back when it happened. As it was over a year or more out of warranty. No further action was given or offered.

@AmiApache Жыл бұрын

@@HoldandModify Try to flash it back to the previous version of vampire firmware? I had problems with PicassoIV and PalomaIV. Flashing back and fourth firmwares helped a lot.

@f1lupo Жыл бұрын

@@HoldandModify says alot about Vampire team not willing to help you out😮

@AndersHolck Жыл бұрын

Too bad there are no options like pistorm or fpga-based cpu replacements for A4000 and only real 060 to buy. Prices went nuts. My poor 4000 is just crying to run faster :(

@HoldandModify Жыл бұрын

There is work being done to get PiStorm onto a3000/4000. We all wait patiently.

@AndersHolck Жыл бұрын

@@HoldandModify I have been trying to understand where I can read about progress. I have only seen a bit about vampire (got delayed) as well as someone mentioned something about adapter board for Pistorm32 Lite => A4000. But I don't know more. I am patient, no worries. I am just unable to find anywhere where I could see there was actually a project ongoing :)

@HoldandModify Жыл бұрын

@@AndersHolck yeah it is hard to find info. Have to live in the forums and Facebook groups and dev pages. Can be tedious. Heh.

@israelsgospelicdavidjseibu349 Жыл бұрын

I prefer the 68060 intel, nec, toshiba, and there are other cpu brands, nxp, are the new comer cpu, why compromise with a aue, pi emulator with AmigaOS. remember, Only Amiga Makes It Possible ,,, truly

@another3997 11 ай бұрын

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Intel isn't a newcomer, they made the very first commercial microprocessor. Why use a PiStorm? Because the 68060 hasn't been produced for many years. They are relatively rare and very expensive, especially the later revisions. Why compromise with UAE on a Pi or emulation in general? Because you can buy a brand new Pi or PC for not a lot of money. You can't buy a brand new Amiga, and 2nd hand ones cost a fortune. And emulators will provide better compatibility than any single real Amiga.

@hstrinzel 8 ай бұрын

I think nowadays the best way to run Amiga is with PIMIGA 2.0, JUST a Raspberry PI 4/5 and one does not even need the original Amiga Hardware. That would be just in the way nowadays.

@HoldandModify 8 ай бұрын

Pi400s with PiMiga are really the best I think. For me and others who love having the original hardware, at least I understand the privilege and honor it is.

@another3997 7 ай бұрын

If you have a Windows based PC, you'll get even better results using WinUAE. The Raspberry Pi range is great for many things, but in raw performance terms, they're not up their with modern x86 CPUs. Plus, proper GPU hardware acceleration on the Pi has always been a sticking point.