Pvz3 has made me appreciate the original plants vs zombies a whole lot more.

I was out as soon as i saw "No choose your seeds." That's one of the most important parts of plants vs zombies.

Not 5 minutes in and already what I hear that you CANNOT -Pick your plants -Pick which level you play -Control zombie waves -"Die" in more than 2 lanes TOTAL (instead of twice in a specific lane) -Play whenever you feel like it (due to needing lives) And yet somehow this game was still greenlit.

Hear me out, this game is the Megamind Vs The Doom Syndicate of PopCap

The absolute WHIPLASH of seeing the pvz3 animations compared to pvz2 animations-

"you can't pick your seeds" There you go, dead on arrival

I feel like pvz2's dip in quality could definitely warrant a video. Dear god, the animation and designs for modern pvz2 stuff are just...why.

How do you manage to combine the absolute worst level design of both pvz 1 and 2; the game somehow smashes together the most unfair and difficult level design of pvz2 and the most boring and easy level design of pvz 1 together into a single game. It's genuinely so bad I can't even be that angry about it but rather so impressed.

Tugboat is actually the best and most original thing in whole PvZ 3

Only good thing I can say about pvz3 is using elements from the comics……….. that’s about it

This is now your “Downfall of PvZ” video. Whether you choose to take that as a compliment or insult is up to you.

After playing reflourished, I realised how good pvz2 is. It's crazy how far they've fell from pvz1, and I'm thankful that the mod comunity is so active

Pvz3 is two things: A human killing lawnmower, a destroyer of lawns, with a taste for blood. tugboat

PopCap no longer exists. I can state this confidently as I had the chance to visit their offices in Seattle. It is now an EA office and the only staff left there are legal and HR, the game developers long gone.

The thing is, their formula COULD have worked. Heck, reflourished has so many levels where you cant choose your own plants, yet they all feel fresh and unique. Why? Because each plant is carefully thought out to make the level as fun and exciting as possible. Pvz3, on the other hand, picks the same plants for like 30 levels.

4:25 The problem with this is that for the younger generations -the ones who have the short attention spans- the entire draw of Plans vs Zombies is building an unstoppable defense and watching it chew through any zombie that tries to face it, at least that's what drew me into the game as a kid. Dropping the core thing that casual players find most interesting means that there's gonna be little reason for casual players to want to play the game Edit: Shoulda expected Creeps to mention this later in the video but also I still want to point out that it's really dumb when game companies forcibly simplify a game series because they think that the newer generation has a "Shorter attention span" because it's always executed terribly

I’m just sad that they removed the PvZ hero’s zombies, that was at least cool to see, I had high expectations for this, but this is garbage, even compared to some Chinese versions, it’s sad to see the game descend to a “gardenscapes minigame” type thing

Best thing about PvZ3 is that Mo is canonically the Robot behind the Slaughter.

i will always say it, EA buying popcap was both the best and worst thing to happen to the studio, on one hand we probably wouldnt have gotten the garden warfare games, heroes and all of the fangames we have now if they hadnt bought popcap, on the other hand look at the official games now

The main issue with PVZ3 is simply the lack of variety, the "lawns" are varied but the plants and zombies get drip fed at a molasses rate, the plants are fixed per level too limiting creativity, there's no freedom or fun. (It's also just an obvious micro transaction cash grab)

pvz3 has less features then the first game, the shop doesnt exist, no zen garden, minigames were removed besides vase breaker (its too easy), no bosses, and no plant selection this game is the bare minimum

The fact that most of the gameplay core of PvZ3 is literally ripped from Gardenscapes including the similar power-up placements and event cycles is just... wow, WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!!!!??? I'm just sad now. There really is nothing creative in PvZ 3 at all, why do they even think this was a good idea it's literally a mess, like everything is so disconnected. it almost makes me wish if they could restart again, but yeah... i don't think they can go back, they're not popcap.

i REALLY wish that they took more inspiration from games like Hay Day instead of Garden-scape. Since the story is all about 'rebuilding' suburbia, I think it would be way more fun if u could place things wherever you wanted on a block, making your own designs. Also, they could've implimented planting like they do in Hay Day, where u harvest Seed Packets to use in levels (having higher level plants take longer to grow, so u can't spam them) Like, if they're going to go the mobile game route, i would've thought it would fit MUCH BETTER and be MORE FUN, because then theres an actual game apart from just being a Visual Novel. It'd be like a reimagining of the Plant Food Minigame from PvZ2, where u can take care of plants to grow seed packets, and then be able to take them into levels.

It pains me to think we haven’t had a good PvZ game since GW2

The one thing I strangely love about pvz3 is the art style of plants, but that’s about where the upsides end.

I really want to see how much further PVZ 4 could be simplified No animations, pixelated low quality child drawings, no writing or dialogue at all apart from on-liners from Dave and Zomboss for... Reasons All the microtransactions and ads possible, covering up parts of the screen and sabotaging your gameplay, of course you can pay to get rid of them temporarily

The first half of PVZ 2 was the peak of PVZ, with both 1 and 2 being rather similar and just good games, it's been almost a consistent line/spiral downwards from there

4:39 Fun fact: This kinda also happened on the first PvZ2 versions and people complained a lot about it so it was quickly removed. How obvious that they aren't the same devs eh?

What's make worst about New PvZ3 is that it was a lack of nods from previous games, unlike Old PvZ3 who contained like a lot of references from their previous games, like it's the first time we seeing Immorticia debut at the mainline PvZ game but sadly all of that from Old PvZ3 was end up scrapped... 😢 Please come back, Sawgrass...

Im going to take this opportunity to say that the first PvZ3 beta had some pretty cool specials that its a shame we're most certainly never going to see again. Justice for Zomblob.

Tugboat has TF2 level of character design

14:45 as someone who is going through another Doom phase right now, "all the *good* Doom games" got me lmao

I used to hate the power up system in PvZ2, but after playing a lot more PvZ2 as of lately and watching Wolfy's playthrough of the game, I realize it's actually not that bad. Although it basically helps you win or get through a tough section, it firstly helps players that are struggling through the game because PvZ2 is definitely much hard than PvZ1. Secondly, yes, it does costs coins, which are a limited resource, but the silver lining with that is that it turns power ups into a last resort in which you only use them if you believe you can't use any further skill to get past this point. The are a few different ways of getting coins, so it's not as if you are forced to spend real life money. They are basically an inoffensive accessibility option and I appreciate that. Everyone remembers how bad going into Big Wave Beach day 16 was, so the fact that you can beat the level with help from power ups makes the level much more tolerable. (So, I actually am not a big fan when mods remove them because some mods are just much harder.) Now, comparatively, the way PvZ3 handles its power up system is much more offensive. PvZ3 is just simply a lot harder. The game limits your options, so if you aren't good with a certain setup, then it's just too bad for you. The power ups, which are supposed to be this accessibility option, are now scarcer in this game when the game should make them easier to obtain because of the increased difficulty. It's just another way that this game is objectively less fun to play than its predecessors. I think the worst part is that they advertise these power ups to you for real life cash way more than in PvZ2. It just makes this system come off as the game being really greedy for your money.

comparing Pvz3 to the rest of the franchise is like comparing a wothless money-designed cash grab of a dumpster fire to some games that sereved as the childhood of many... Oh wait, *IT IS*

I really hope this terrible game makes people revisit PvZ2 and see it as more than a soulless cash grab. That has thought put into it; this doesn’t. I wish the IP was in public domain so the fans could make a REAL sequel.

I feel like we should stay with the older games, because EA is quickly making the series die like they want to kill it off to make room for a new cash grab series.

It's sad to knowing that this could be the final pvz game.

They were so focused on drawing out every last penny out of you, that they forgot the most important part, making the game fun, or even just fun enough to be addictive. No amount of predatory design choice will make people spend money if they aren't invested enough to spend money in the first place.

basically "this game is so bad I'm not even gonna shit on it"

A shame really. The early PVZ 3 beta had some neat ideas, but terrible gameplay. It baffles me that EA saw the failure of the beta and thought that taking out the more creative ideas was the solution. Now the game is just boring with terrible gameplay,

2:49 about this point, as someone who played old pvz3, in about late September 2020 it received its final update, version 20.0. This update seemed to improve a lot of smaller things about the game, and it also just looked a lot less soft-launchy than it did in lets say, March 2020. What happens literally 1 or 2 weeks later? They announce the game is shutting down in November. I have a feeling the game was meant to release in October, like PvZ heroes. Therefore, new pvz3 can ABSOLUTELY be cancelled at any time, considering for a soft launch old pvz3 did quite well for being in 1 or 2 regions, with 800,000 downloads. (Which new pvz3 has already surpassed, so there’s a fun fact).

PvZ3 hands out infinity brains like candy. I constantly find myself having multiple hours of infinity brains after playing for less than 30 mins. Has anyone actually ran out of lives?

I feel like mobile games need to stop being games made for phones, and more like games that are just on phones. No 'log-in bonuses', life systems need to be relegated to platformers, either pay to play or keep the microtransactions to simple cosmetics that are well thought out and not color pallette and pattern swaps. A good game is something you can enjoy, either as a means of unwinding or challenging yourself with difficulty options and extra challenges. Replayability and Story are related, but shouldn't have to suffer at the other's expense, Devil May Cry can do this, so why does it feel like almost no one else can casually do this? Every other game has added difficulty and fan made challenges, which yeah DMC also has this but it also has more beyond that. You get the need to improve, the sense of progress is in narrative and your preformance in gameplay.

Adding "Welcome to Zomburbia" into the title is a nice improvement already Now remove "3" from the title and we're good

The biggest thing I miss from the original pvz3 is the taco time and most importantly the tacobilities that came with it.

I thought the original, first softlaunch for ovz3 was kinda bad. Now I really want that version of the game back. At least it has an elemental system, amd upgrading system and more unique plants, maps and zombies

we need zackscott appreciation day for archiving literally all of pvz

Ah I love sunk cost fallacy

I read almost all of the PvZ comics and I just gotta say. I would much rather just reread those than play this.

14:30 CASETTE BEASTS REFERENCE HUGE

imagine if pvz modders made their own pvz 3, that’d be pretty nice

I feel like the gameplay itself is fine in pvz3. What drags the game down is the lack of content in the gameplay that makes it get stale quick. I don’t feel like updates have helped either. So far they added Sunshroom - which is just better sun producer. The rock and roll imp - basically just a slightly bulkier imp. Plantern - which is just here to counter fog. Disco zombie - this one’s fine it’s an actually a new threat. Also that mini endurian plant (I forgot the name) - this is a cool new plant but I don’t feel like starting over the game since it only seems to be in early levels for some reason. My main point is I feel like they should add more unique attackers or defensive plants and unique zombies to mix up the actually gameplay.

I had the idea of wanting to make a pvz fan game balanced around fighting against a horde of zombies, like left4dead 2 or World War Z Levels of zombies.

Before the video an ad to Disney+ played and that classic epic intro theme fit this perfectly

Literally the only person I know that even enjoys this is Zebra Gamer

This might be unrelated, but I want to say that my PvZ3 Experience was probably one of the worst things I did, because I did it almost that non-stop, and after I reached level 146 (when there was 150 levels) I just dropped it, because not only I was tired, I felt just, empty, kinda burnouted by an extent... I can see some people enjoying this (even if a low amount) but I am not one of these, I forced myself to play it and the outcome was painful, so what I learned? Don't force yourself to do stuff, it will hurt more than not doing it... Also, I totally agree on PvZ3 not mattering, because, like you said, PvZ3 is just a bad game and it won't change what we (the community) did, and I guess the community will be kinda of the only thing keeping the franchise alive, I don't see a "big hit game" from pvz coming soon due to the current circumstances...

it's called PvZ3 because they made it 3--no, 4--no, 5 times

Can I just say that the background music choices are on point? Gotta love Undertale Yellow music.

Hey Creeps, love the video. I just wanted to ask if you could possibly try and subtitle your videos. You speak very quickly and have a tendency to slur your words and it makes it really hard to understand you sometimes. I say this as someone with good hearing who has no trouble understanding British accents as well, so I can only imagine how hard it would be for someone who speaks English as a second language and/or is hard of hearing. It would also be helpful if you tried to enunciate more, but I understand that's a lot of effort than just putting subtitles in, so no pressure there. Thanks for the content, have a good one!

No joke I love this game to a certain extent as I loved the PvZ comics growing up and honestly still like’em today. I was actually begging them to add Nate and when I say him get added in my dopamine levels went through the roof.

How hard is it to just release another PvZ? No one was even demanding changes, but naturally these people want to reinvent the wheel.

I'm at Level 197 and have never used a power-up or booster (except for the threepeater event's bonuses). At least 10 levels have required more than a dozen tries to finish because of the zombie spam... I wouldn't mind the gameplay design if levels were longer, had more variety, and less unit spam.

i really enjoy this long kind of video!! keep up the good work!!

if they gave us a game wwith the same art style and game mechanics as og pvz with just new plants zombiess and bosses id honestly appreciate it more

They probably thought that pvz 2 was too easy now because of the plants that they added like the teleportato mine and porkra and also the leveling system but that didn't mean they had to make it this hard so they need to nerf it.

22:55 *WHAT!?!?* Excuse me!? That game is incompatible! Why did they ripoff THAT of all games? What the *[aggressive honk],* Popcap! You too, EA!

Plants vs. Zombies 3 is annoying to me as it has the TINIEST glimmer of something I'd like, but it's just... not. If done right, a fully locked-and-loaded style of PvZ game could be quite fun, as long as you cool it with the powerup-centric design. Boss levels could let you pick any plant from the world you're in, while replaying a level lets you pick any plant to try and find alternate solutions! There's potential! If done not right... you get PvZ3 as it stands. Sigh.

This is so disheartening. I know that popcap are not innocent and are probably the ones behind these decisions so too be honest i dont have much hope of seeing the franchise i love come back. I didn't even grow up on original pvz, i started with the garden warfare titles.

if they wanted a puzzle game then make an objective based pvz game and not this

Personally speaking, i think this game COULD have been good. The story is entertaining, the art style is well designed, and it had some cool level design mechanics like the rain tiles. But my word does the inability to select plants and bejeweled style puzzle progression make the game suffer

There's also the fact THAT THEY JUST TURNED IT INTO EPHING HOMESCAPES

The thing is, when only ONE game from a franchise's main series can be called good, it really puts the nail in the coffin for that franchise. And PvZ has more than just itself to carry, but also basically half of tower defence games. After flash games were taken down, only PvZ and BTD were the last successful tower defence games. And now with PvZ having fallen this low... it's looking pretty sad. Thankfully the latest generation of Bloons games has two solid games that are being updated regularly.

Ok, i said it once and ill say it again: "Wait, you cant choose your plants?" R.I.P imitater

I think the only thing I don't mind is the lack of Pick Your Seeds. I like being challenged by working with what I'm given. But everything else...? Could use work.

Great Video! Really well put together

PvZ 3 should not have existed,because PvZ 2 did NOT warrant a sequel and it was constantly getting updated(in minuscule ways,but I digress).I kinda thought they should make a spin-off of the tower defense games,but looking at PvZ 3…I am sad to report that I don’t know if it’s genuinely a good idea or not. This makes PvZ 2 look like how some people compare it to PvZ 1.Personally I think PvZ 2 offers a lot more and is a lot more enjoyable than PvZ 1’s very slow gameplay,but I like both,due to the flexibility of gameplay. You can use only instas or only Peashooters,Chompers,etc.etc. PvZ 3 lacking replay ability is not the main issue,the gameplay is just PvZ 2’s on steroids for the Zombies and the plants are tuned,at times, LOWER THAN IN PVZ 1,not a good sign AT ALL! I personally am not an expert and especially not a veteran at PvZ,in fact,I joined the community a mere 2 or 3 years ago.PvZ 3 is honestly so bad that I might honestly like gardenscapes more and I am not a match 3 player anymore.It’s not even laughable,it’s just sad to see a franchise that has died in a grave,due to bad decisions and lack of familiarity with the beginning of pvz. If you were to ask me the good PvZ games,I would say 1,2 and the shooters(BFN’s bad launch doesn’t make it unredeemable),Heroes is fine and so is 2C honestly.Everything else I couldn’t care less about. To sum up,PvZ 3 took PvZ 2’s perfectly fine formula and over tuned it.PvZ 2 is to me an improvement over the original in spite of the micro-transactions.The making of PvZ 3 was inherently dumb and the franchise is basically undead at this point.

This is sick

One of the funniest parts of PVZ3 is how you are also a character just no one ever address you outside of the first interaction

I do think there is a single good change, the timer based waves. Gives the devs much more precise control over a level's function. They could make a level a chaotic scramble to get your defenses up, or a slow strategic crawl where you are constantly low on sun or having to deal with big waves with that time.

We as a community should take back every negative thing we said about PvZ2

So it’s plants versus zombies, but without the player creativity?

Helldivers 2 is shown in this video momentarily, and i was here for a pvz 3 review, and then my favourite game jumpscared me

Fearlessness Excellence Intuition Sneakiness Toughness Youthfulness Justice (the J is silent)

The original PvZ3 legit looked cool, I want to play that version instead

they should remove the life system, but I doubt that will happen.

Two things, one, the most recent zombie added to PvZ2 was the raincoat zombie last update, and he’s… alright, better than some of the others for sure. Also undertale yellow music heck yeah

Pvz 3 its definitely one of the games of all time

The phrases: "I have becomed hacked, destroyer of lawns" and "Follow Mo's path of destruction", are the only good parts of this game. And Tugboat of course.

one thing ill give the game credit for is the unique lawns. if only i could choose (or have more choices in) plants to work with what im given

sorry, the entire budget went into "i have become hacked, destroyer of lawns"

More mobile game slop.

What's tragic about box 3 is that it takes more ideas from garndenscrapes than it does from the source matierial.

the jump from pvz1 to pvz2 is so clean its literally more levels more plants more everything (unfortunately more grinding and ingame purchases) but imo if they added more levels that game would still be great but from pv2 to pvz3 is insane its just a whole new game just with the same characters (barely with the new designs) its honestly really sad this game couldve been insane and i hate that i have a iphone and hate pvz on pc so i cant really mod it or get pvzc or something

Ok i think theres a way to make this game better: - add plant and level picking - remove the lives - base the story on levels beat, not on "taco tickets" gained - return plant food please (or at leady add a better ability than grapes of wrath) - *MORE PLANTS* - dont let EA make your game Honestly im fine with the artstyle, simplified sun counter, and i actually kinda like the references to the comic, but i just.. i hate EA and what its done to one of my favorite franchises.

Hot take that’ll probably get me canceled in the PVZ community but screw it: I actually like pvz3 a lot. It’s choice of art style is cute, the idea of the levels picking the plants for you makes it much more fun and challenging, the animation are not only fluid, but also so cute (I CANNOT get enough of seeing peashooter bouncing around, it’s so adorable!), and the designs for the zombies are so cool and unique, and I love the different kinds of mechanics the levels do!

this games existence is a crime

The problem with match 3 being such an inspiration for this pvz3 is that at least in match 3 games, even if they are designed to have less turns than is on average needed to beat a level, because of the randomness inherit in the dropping of what to match, there’s always the chance of getting lucky enough to get what you need to win. In this, they’ve just built a strategy game where you are not allowed to strategize, and can’t even rely on luck to win because it’s so strategy based. There is no illusion of victory even

I’ll admit, I do like the first and second PVZ comics from what I remember reading of them. It’s strange knowing there are more beyond the first comic and the PVZ2 comic

Ok lets be real tho, the new sunflower design is friggin ADORABLE

Honestly, I like the artstyle change for the plants and humans. Not the zombies tho