Most EV's I know lock the charge port door when the car is on. You'd have to force them open.

Car jacking was my first thought. My second thought was that every electrical vehicle has a cut loop for first responders. It's designed into the vehicle and it's a lot less janky than this contraption. Also, when I get my first BEV, it's going to be equipped with a charge port ejection system in case I get into a situation at a charging station.

Just last week, I speculated about the possibility of such a device for use by robbers and carjackers. Seems my concerns were well-founded and even tame---I assumed the vehicle had to be stopped for this to work.

This is why you use a PIN on a Tesla. Cannot be stolen unless you give away the PIN

@@mikebalentine I don't think someone who forces you at gunpoint to get out of your car will hesitate to add "give me your pin or else" to his spiel...

Most modern EVs have this as well, and a key advantage of that option is that it isolates the high-voltage battery, rather than possibly having it turn on the contactors to connect the high voltage to the onboard charger, as it does at least at some point when you connect a level 2 charging connector.

Genius!!

Our Ioniq 5 also has a big orange fuse with a firefighter helmet on it, pull it to cut the high voltage power from the car.

If u can get to it and the current potential is still in the battery and short circuit can happen inside the unfused area

Yep, though this device may be more useful for something like a medical emergency where the car isn't crashed but maybe just stopped in the middle of the road because the driver passed out. The rescuers could plug this device in to make sure the vehicle is immobilized without having to damage the vehicle.

Dutch fire fighters have that as well. welcome in Europe!

Where can I find a video of that?

Now that's what I call problem solving

Neat. But somewhat unnecessary for a Bolt (or anything that isn't a f'ing Tesla, and a Tesla would be slag by the time they got there.)... the batteries aren't firecrackers. Sure, they have plenty of power to melt things - like any battery - but the battery chemistry does not create an impossible to quench fire.

@@jfbeam I suppose it is the German sense of drama. It was a rather Wagnerian end for the poor self-immolating Bolt.

That was my first thought as well. Seems like there needs to be a SAE (etc) standard that would allow for a device like this to be plugged in and work like the firefighters 'cut loop'.

The purpose of this tool is not to disable high voltage , but to ensure the vehicle is in park and some what stabilized to then allow firefighters to safely proceed with rescue which could also include high voltage disconnect at that point.

​@@IphoneMod especially useful as cars become more automatic and the connected to the internet so they could be driven remotely

no. contacts is the last thing after charging starts on charger side. this is just a charge port dummy plug

it creates a fault sitiation where the plug(cable) is connected but there is a ground fault or something. So the car signals that there is something connected but would not charge or put power on the charge leads. just the data connection is active.

maybe it needs to be sealed on the other end for some reason?

Maybe the other side is CCS2?

Probably a removable battery on the other end already. What we should be doing is standardizing the Tesla plug in the beginning. The CCS plug is really dumb.

The other end (although not shown end-on) is labelled "CHAdeMO".

@@paulsladen The same drive-system immobilization should be achievable through the J1772 connector that even all CHAdeMO-inlet EVs have, and which (presumably) the CCS end of the gizmo would connect to. "Ah but what if the J1772 port is trashed, but the CHAdeMO port survived? Wouldn't you want extra features designed in to handle that eventuality?" That would be an awfully unlikely one, wouldn't it?

Exactly

Stay tactical

I mean you can diy this with a couple resistors. The documentation on how chargers work is readily available.

I guess you just need to be aware if someone is approaching the car and opening your charge port door without your permission. I know in a Tesla, the vehicle needs to be unlocked for the charge port door to open willingly, which is why they demonstrated the need for the pry tool

Haha, considering some of the crazy advanced crypto relay attacks car thief’s do this stuff is child’s play to them, a ccs plug with a few resistors.

If the vehicle does not appear to be on fire, there may be time to pull out or cut the loop which completes the low voltage circuit to the contactor in the main battery. There usually another loop in one of the roof pillars which may be quickly cut with a power saw.

it creates a fault situation where the plug(cable) is connected but there is a ground fault or something. So the car signals that there is something connected but would not charge or put power on the charge leads. just the data connection is active. just examine the charge protocol and you will find out...

What a tool allowing it to do that vs putting his foot on the brake.

You can do the same thing with most automatic transmissions by putting them in park while you’re still moving. But it’s a good way to break things.

​@@spacemanmat Usually only once...

It really gives a sense of how heavy that truck is. Because of all the momentum/inertia to overcome to finally stop rocking back and forth.

@@spacemanmat DO NOT DO THIS. You can break your parking pawl, and you don't want to know what that will cost.

No sales pitch? Lol, what did you think this video was made for?

this tool is to shutdown and disable driving. shutdown is achieved when charport is open on a tesla. driving is disabled with any charge cable attached. the light on the device has nothing to do with the ev.

@@davidck1 No, it doesn’t do anything to shut the car down, it just puts the car in park. What the original comment was saying is that it actually does the opposite. Since the car thinks it’s charging, it won’t disconnect the battery like it normally does, which can actually be worse.

@@kylecoolky1189 every system related to driving is off when charging

@@davidck1 The only thing it does is prevent the car from shifting out of park. There is nothing else related to driving that it would affect. The plug would actually keep the high voltage battery awake and plugged in rather than it shutting off like normal.

it creates a fault situation where the plug(cable) is connected but there is a ground fault or something. So the car signals that there is something connected but would not charge or put power on the charge leads. just the data connection is active. just examine the charge protocol and you will find out...

The purpose is to disable the car from moving so you can cut the power more safely.

@@Taluvian you hardly ever see a car fire rolling down the road.

@@DavidSpector Who says car is on fire? Here the fire department uses the jaws of life to open up cars and remove people. Unlike a gas car where you can hear the engine running or not, an electric car is silent. The car in drive could suddenly move and run emergency responders over or crush them, i.e. why you want to disable driving and then cut the power.

Exactly. This is a dangerous device with no application in fire rescue. If you need to put a car in park, do it the same way you do on ALL vehicles, with the gear selector and parking brake. There's nothing magical about an EV here, the same techniques used to prevent any other vehicle rolling away work on EVs If you need to disable an EV, so you can work on it safely, cut the firefighter cut loop. Do not rely on a device that relies on tricking the vehicle into keeping the HV pack energized to give you any form of safety! There is NEVER a situation where this device is appropriate for a fire/rescue situation. The only applications I can see for this have been covered by others: Car jackings, and police traffic stops. Not fire rescue.

@@Green__one people may use summon on the Tesla app to move the Tesla away remotely and may run over the firefighters leg.

Not just some and there---Tesla's own factory fire brigade in Germany has 3 of those containers and a RoRo-carrier with a car crane for them on site.

What about the poor people trapped in the car. First they burn and then get drowned. Geez. 😂

@@legostud price you pay for being an EV early adopter. haw haw

Sounds interesting, but first you'd have to know what a "skip" is? 🤷‍♂

No - because any extraction requires stabilization of the vehicle, the first step of which is placing the vehicle in park

@@errhka right but all those vehicles automatically place on park when you open the door, or if a crash is detected. There are certainly scenarios you can find but they won’t be in the majority.

@@spleck615 the problem is you cannot depend on the vehicle in all scenarios to behave as you'd expect. Maybe this car stays is in park when the door is open, but another one does not. There's no way to know what the engineers have done with every car. Thus why on every vehicle you follow the same procedures to place in park, chock it, etc. This tool becomes part of the procedure for electric vehicles as another failsafe. Standard procedures are there to keep firefighters from hurting themselves - if this tool prevents the car from rolling away because a probie forgot to put it in park it will be useful. Having a 2nd line of defense in preventing accidents through procedure is not just a luxury, but critical for firefighters in those 'minority cases'. Not all vehicles you come upon are crashes either - someone might need to be medically evaluated in a car before they are moved, or the driver has had a medical emergency and is being boxed in by cars to stop the vehicle from going anywhere. As someone who actually works in this field this tool WILL be used and will eventually be standard on most engines to go to EV calls.

@@errhka if you actually want it to be helpful work with the manufacturers to have it work as an efuse and disable the HV pack while inserted. That would actually be much more useful. Sadly in both cases it seems more useful for an attacker than first responder. Car jacker can pry open and insert in seconds while you’re at a stop light, now you can’t get away. People already have this safety concern of being locked in a charger if someone approaches.

@@spleck615 the issue is those are not standardized and would require legislation and national committees at conferences to be implemented. The plug is standardized across all vehicles and works right now. There is usefulness in that. Lockout kits, elevator keys, etc can be purchased by thieves as well, doesn't make them any less beneficial for us.

Need to immobilize the car before cutting that loop though.

Plot twist: That's the whole reason this was invented. Money!

I have a fix for it. 🔫

Isn't a gun much easier though? I guess if a car jacker was trying to avoid a sentence for homicide but they were ok with grand larceny, maybe this makes sense? 🤷‍♂

You got it

But they'll sell dozens!

@@isthatatesla They only have to make it "best practice" and they'll sell tens of thousands. Even when the departments buying recognize that it's a solving a vanishly rare problem, once it's standard they'll need to buy one just in case.

Firefighters need to deal with vehicles they may not have immediate access to.

LOL. As someone who only appreciates most firefighters immensely, totally agree and yes, totally LOL'd seeing your very rational comment!

Where’s the P on a Tesla Model S? Would that be on the broken screen you cannot use or the hidden button you cannot find? Just saying some EVs don’t have the traditional center console stalk.

@@legostud Either on the right hand stalk as a button, or on the touch screen + center console. If the screen doesn't work there's always a backup.

@@logitech4873 BTW: For Tesla, the backup is: two of - open driver door, - unbuckled seatbelt, - no weight on the driver seat

As soon as you move the car the short res establishes and thermal runaway kicks off again - just let them burn.

Yup. Simple yet very effective.

Yeah. You're not going to put it out, so just keep the heat from igniting anything else around it. I think blankets they could throw over and shoot under, then fill with water from a hydrant or pumper to absorb the heat (with some sort of safe pressure release for the steam) could be a valuable invention for the rare times they're needed.

I thought he was the inventor. Who was, some random Chinese company?

While correct. If the loop is unable to be accessed or the marking has beenntorn away this can be a great alternative.

Explain how wrong doers are going to abuse this vs all the easier malicious things they can already do without any gadgets?

@@mynameisladder3481 it's not really possible for it to be "unable to be accessed". They just cut through your car's pillar. Job done.

@I Gotta Say The idea is out there now thanks to them, and the protocols are fairly open. Anyone could make this that has even 5% knowledge of how to make things.

@@IGottaSay very funny. With knowing that such a tool a) exists and b) works any electronic engineer can build a bootleg version of it. On the other side: knowing that this thing exists (both legally and illegally) is knowledge that may be useful to car owners.

on tesla as soon as chargeport is opened the ev is off. if pin to drive is enabled you need to close port and enter pin to drive.

Let's make sure that On/Off switch is very easily accessible so that firefighters and car jackers can have access.... *rolls eyes*

Yeah nifty device to save lives but real talk 👄 we should also have a safety plug 🔌 built to disable the bs 🙄 propaganda machine running 🏃‍♂️ over in NaziCalifornia and Silicon Valley. The classified defense and aerospaces hidden quantum hydrogen nuclear fusion reactor technologies. The safe clean and cheap micro fission reactors... This is cool 😎 tech, and it's useful 👍 but the gaslighting ⛽ of this channel is getting a bit much 😳

any charge cable attached to vehicles achieves the same result. go try it if you own an ev.

@@davidck1 I was trying to be nice 😪 wtf, there you go spoiling the video and confirming more gaslighting by Munro and ASSociates.

You say they are rare and you are correct. But what you fail to understand is that they are only so rare because EVs make up a very small portion of vehicles on the road. There is no doubt that if we were 100% EV that the frequency of car fires would still be very similar. The only difference being that EV fires can be very difficult to extinguish. God forbid an individual needs extraction/rescue from an EV and they catch alight.

It is possible that EVs are so expensive that owners have deep pockets and might "baby" the car. When the majority have EVs, I think we're going to see a lot more stupid shit being done, and yes this probably will mean more battery fires. 😆

​@@aidenward4677 they are rare even when adjusted per capita. Look up some data from countries like Norway where a lot of people run EVs.

seriously

There's no transmission on these EVs, so no parking pawl, instead they use a parking brake (On the Tesla it's an extra caliper on the rear brake rotors)

@@Green__one the way that Ford was rocking back and forth it sure seemed like a parking pawl to me. If it had been a parking brake, it would have just stopped and not rocked, right?

@@toronado455 slam on the brakes in any vehicle, and you'll see that same rocking. It comes from the suspension.

Exactly. This sales pitch is for an extremely dangerous device that will force the vehicle to keep the HV pack energized when otherwise it would shut it down. This device does the same thing as putting the vehicle in park, that's all. If you want to disable an EV, cut the firefighter cut loop. That will make it safe.

That's the next step. First you want to make shure the vehicle is disabled before you get inside it to cut the first responders loop. If you get into the vehicle and it's in drive and the accelerator is engaged your in trouble.

@@morilot 100% nonsense. Firefighters have been safely putting cars in park for many decades now without the ability to plug some magic device into the exterior. There's nothing at all special about an EV in this regard. This device provides zero value, and may cause harm if anyone actually believes that it provides any safety whatsoever.

No. The amount of heat you'd need to dissipate to discharge a battery like this would be immense. Also, an AC EVSE can't draw out power, only send in power. (The onboard charger would prevent that kind of reverse current.)

@@fitybux4664 Thank you. Now I know.

i really don't think it powers anything down. i think this device just stops the vehicle from rolling.

@@Mike-Minion When you connect to the charge port at some point the communication tells the car to energize that portion of the cable. Would be curious if this happens with this device. The scenarios the responders might use this on might make that answer relevant.

Only in DC Fast Charging mode. In standard AC charging mode the on-board charger waits for AC on the charging connector. However it will activate the traction battery contactor(s), putting high voltage traction power on wiring that might have previously been de-energized. In the rare case that this device does something, it has a good chance of creating more danger rather than less.

@@1djbecker so what mode does this device put the charging system into.

@@motofunk1 I see no reason for it to engage the DC charging mode. That one required a really complex communication using a powerline IP connection (CCS) or CAN bus connection (Tesla). AC only required a diode, a resistor and a dumb 10 kHz PWM signal (about 30 cents in parts).

This doesn't "short circuit the door". It tricks the car into thinking an EVSE is connected. If you short circuited the connectors, guess what? Nothing happens. It is meant to be safe like that.

Yeah but don't ruin the fun of charging fire departments a few grand for one

Yep, and this entrepreneurial firefighter found an injection molding company that can help him retire earlier.

Nope, it also needs a 12V power Source and maybe a PWM signal generator. The "Its Just Resistors" Part only applies to the Cable connecting the EVSE and the Car, but you also need to simulate the EVSE.

It's a bright yellow plastic. That's how you know it's high quality!!! 😆 (Even if it has active electronics and a battery, what do you think it would take? A $5 ATmega microcontroller?)

@Fity Bux less! A 1cts resistor. Thats how EVs knows a cable is plugged in so they put themselves in Park mode to not accidentally drag a cable. I wired EV cables myself as it's cheaper. So I know how they work from experience People trying to tell there's more than a resistor and a momentary switch to open the circuit (for release) inside these are just coping.

As most electric vehicles do not use the tesla connector *and* even teslas in most of the world afaik do not use the US style tesla connector. I would agree with Patrick.

@@Firecul Teslas make up 75% of EVs in the USA and they all use the tesla connector. Also, the EU CCS plug is different than the US CCS plug; same name, different plug

@@beilkster With that logic it should be designed only for teslas then. There are only 4 models of tesla available to buy just now. Unless there are less than 6 total models of EV available in the US I'm assuming he meant that would be compatible with the most models of cars. Not just the one that makes up the highest % of on the road vehicles. (I'll go with the 75% claim because I don't have the energy to research that atm to see if it is correct or not) Re:CCS, yes it's annoying that that has not been standardised but at least (afaik) it's not really mix and match within a region. I really hope I'm not wrong there.

@@Firecul Why does number of models matter? Number of cars on the road should be the only metric

any charge cable works the same as this device. the light on the device does not connect to the ev.

It would probably fault, but not shut down? There's a bundle of wires marked with a fireman hat in my car that directs them to cut on the X to disable the car

the pilot signal is resistive. it does not need electricity to work, just a few resisitors. and yes, by law all cars will not work with anything plugged in.

There are batteries in the gizmo, and the pilot signal is some low-voltage DC level (can't remember if it's 5 or 12)

The guy said the Lightning set a charging fault because there was no voltage, but there has to be some level of amps/volts being sent otherwise the vehicle wouldn't react at all. This is to prevent people from driving off with it plugged in - you know like you have seen on those memes with gas pump handles hanging off cars.

Needs 6v and can also get the resistive required amp, the key here is this device will be primed ready and can read back if doing the connection correctly, great invention.

@@levenkay4468 It's 9-12V, alternating positive and negative to minimize corrosion in wet conditions (dropping the charging handle in a puddle). It's absolute trivial to generate. The microcontroller can even drive a voltage multiplier to save a few cents in components, although I'm sure that the parts cost is a trivial fraction of the price.

Depends on the car. It will either do nothing, or it will try to charge. Some cars even may have a vulnerability there---as DC charging directly connects the battery to the DC pins, there's nothing stopping the charging station from drawing power out of the vehicle unless the BMS inside the car detects that and cancels the session. But at least there's not much one can do with 400V DC...

In this case the vehicle will connect the HV pack to attempt to charge, whereas it otherwise would be disabled. This device does nothing other than put the vehicle in park if it wasn't already, and ensure that the normal safety feature of isolating the HV pack when the car is off does not activate ensuring high voltage power is available to electrocute your first responder. As a first responder myself, and an EV driver, I would NEVER use this device.

@@HenryLoenwind You're saying some malicious person might be able to steal the charge out of your car? 😆 That's hilarious.

@@fitybux4664 People also steal gas out of cars. And while a full battery may only hold 20-50 bucks worth, petty crime is petty...

@@HenryLoenwind A gas can might cost $5. A device that can steal a charge from one car and put it into another would cost several thousand dollars.

Just the plug is missing a 12V / 5V Power Source from the Charger side for communication.

@@unitrader403 I checked the cut-off plug (with the internal 220Ohm resistor) on a Mach-E. It did put the vehicle in Park. Don't know about other makes, bit I suspect it's a standard. I doubt You need a 12V on the plug side. The plug is being "discovered" by the vehicle based just.on the resistor in the plug and based just on that puts the vehicle in Park and only the ln tries to check for comms. Seems like snake-oil to me..

But if it's too simple, then you don't get all the fancy color changing lights in a nice yellow handle! 😆 (/sarcasm)

@@fitybux4664 That's what it seems like

these things are pretty much standard fare for emergency services in the EU for the past year or so.

To me it's just a simple obvious implementation of the charging protocol in every vehicle. But it's the idea of having it done that is the actual invention here.

any charge cable in charged port achieves the same result. they just added a light to it.

Good idea... but what happens when some random ahole walks up to your car and hits this switch?

@@phtofl That random dude must break open your hood and cut the first responders loop.

maybe the hood is so misformed that you can not open it. Or you want to force the EV into park, before opening the hood. (e.g. driver unconscious on the wheel)

You can do that by severing the appropriate cable - it's put in a convenient place for this reason. Down-side is that doing so will severely damage the car. Fine if it's a wreck, but if you ruin a perfectly good car so you can get someone into a stretcher safely it might expose the department to legal risk. And bad PR.

You're not getting this into a Tesla in D.

@@isthatatesla Unless you also have a plastic tool, such as the one shown in the video...

@@roscozone8092 Or just any flat blade screw driver, jammed in there and forced.

Not one of these vehicles even has a transmission. So "jamming the transmission in park" is actually just applying a brake. As for the tool itself, no it serves no useful purpose. This is just a sales pitch for a useless and potentially dangerous tool.

@@Green__one good to know, but it still sounds expensive (and not like a brake.)

Misuse would be kidnapping, another felony.

@@isthatatesla A possible scenario: - Two felons (possibly armed) approach an EV stopped at traffic lights at night - One inserts a disabling dongle (AKA "Emergency Plug") into the charge port (possibly spray painted black and / or with indicator lights disconnected to avoid attracting attention) and immobilising the vehicle - EV occupant gets out to investigate - One felon attacks or subdues the occupant - The felons enter the vehicle and drives away The felons may also deprive the occupant(s) of cell phones and other means of calling for help, allowing the felons to get away. Before returning home to Australia, I used to live in Johannesburg, near the city's most active carjacking intersection (N1 highway and 14th avenue). Getting home at night was always a white-knuckled ride. While carjacking was rife, kidnapping was unheard of. In the wrong hands, I can see this product making life exceptionally dangerous in certain parts of the world. Its worth noting that petrol driven vehicles are NOT cannot be disabled from outside. Apparently, however, these new EVs CAN. Weird.

@@roscozone8092 any car can be disabled if the brake system is messed with, or if a parking boot is installed. And this is fairly "outside". (It was a very shitty design for them to build in a security vulnerability into charging ports of EVs. I just think you had an invalid point saying petrol cars don't have vulnerabilities.)

Nothing especially useful. It mimics a "charger" (EV supply equipment) so that the car refuses to drive away. It doesn't shut down the traction battery HV system. In fact it may activate the contactor and energize more of the HV system.

@@1djbecker it locked like it does nothing

It prevents someone from getting in the car and driving away. I somehow doubt the case "car is still in drive and slowly creeps forward" happens very often at the time the firefighters arrive. They take long enough for any car to have reached an immovable object. And then reaching in and pressing the parking button before opening the hood and cutting the battery disconnect is enough.

@@HenryLoenwind tesla will come to stop so it's a useless tool in my opinion

For a wreck, nothing. In a wreck you'd want to cut the power cable - it's always positioned somewhere easy to access for exactly this reason. I think the intended use is for slightly-damaged cars, or intact cars where the driver is incapacitated: It makes sure that someone can't accidentally knock the controls and start the vehicle moving while paramedics are trying to extract the occupant safely.

no. the car sees a faulty charger and thus does not connect power.

Just make it wireless and with the ability to stop any car. Then police can use it to make car chases a thing of the past. Oh wait, cars already have that. It's called onstar. 😆

Holes in the battery seem like a bad idea. I suppose you could have a wax seal of some kind.

@@jamesphillips2285 Yeah, was thinking a plug that blows out with the pressure of the incoming water.

People having seizures usually pull over and Tesla can actually help with this if AP/EAP/FSD are engaged.

"Slow down, I'm trying to get it in the hole"