I was wondering: is he driving a bus through Spa? ;). I’m running a G27 with a brake mod. And I’m still seeing improvements. When that flattens out, I’ll try and get the new CSL DD🤩

Don't need to worry about it so much, it sometimes brings some fun to the video that type of mistake. Anyway, excellent video, I have a G27 and I was thinking about the upgrade, helped a lot!!

@@ariel.carvalho Glad you found it helpful :)

@@Axel22250 so lazy you misspelled laziness 😭

It's really annoying to see people forgetting all the good work done in the video and make a big deal of very irrelevant point to the whole review, please ignore these comments your review is very detailed and helpful, keep it up 👍👍

Badly. Like no wonder you aren’t getting great feedback you are just cranking the wheel and pushing the tires straight lmao

exactly what i was thinking

Your comment is quite popular so I’ll explain real quick 🙄 After I played with the wheel I disconnected it and filmed a bunch of shots of it. Then I remembered I needed some gameplay so I plugged it back in and it reset the settings in F1 2020. Since I was only doing like one or two laps to get some gameplay footage, I didn’t bother to tinker with the settings again. Simple as that...

You can change it you pillock

@@OCRacing as a reviewer you should know thats sloppy work. Please do better if you want to be taken seriously. If not no big deal, not everyone wants a big review channel.

Did you make the brake less stiff? If so, How?

do you recommend the g920?

​@@JOZZERZ hell no, i wouldnt even recommend a t300rs (maybe used) DirectDrive is the way to go

@@Chaos_Dave98 which model?

@@Chaos_Dave98 he wasn't asking you , no one tryna pay 500-700 for a game wheel

@@Chaos_Dave98 they have a g923 for like 200 online bro this one came out in 2020

thank u bro this shit is so stressful tryna find something good for my first times

what do you recommend between g29 or t150 Pro? they are both same price only 10 euro difference atm

@@liamroche4895 T150 appears to be a rather unstable model, so is the t300 This model are basically budget thing and they may have cut budget when making them. However if u have time u can upgrade the cooling and power supply of t300 to make it better. Not sure about T150 though

Fuck, in estonia price difference is 70 to 100 dollars

@@liamroche4895 idk. I personally have been using the thrustmaster TX which is nicer wheel but it has served me well for 2.5 years now. I'd recommend thrustmaster from my experience with them. Couple things to note. The G920 has a cheaper shifter available at about 1/3 the price of the Thrustmaster shifter. While the Thrustmaster shifter is nicer that's a large price difference. Thrustmaster has more options down the line than Logitech so if you plan on slowing upgrading things you can stay withing the thrustmaster eco system and upgrade slowly. This isn't as easy to do with the G920 unless your on PC where combining different company components together isn't as much of an issue.

@@LEMON3705 idk. I love my TX and have been using it for years without a single issue. Maybe what your saying is true but I can say mine has been running strong for a long time now.

what game was he playing on the dirft drifting road?

@@dannyisverycool667dirt rally 2.0

Yup, my bad for making that assumption. Many people have since told me otherwise.

@@OCRacing it's all good. I'd have assumed the same until I joined and met other peeps.

Thank you for being in tune with reality. Those who says it must be the very best wheel and setup question is do they really have the very best and if the do they will have to live by that standard by upgrading when something better comes out.

Yeah lol, settings reset when I plugged in a new wheel and I didn’t bother to change it at the time since I just needed some footage :p

looking like he's parking a truck at La Source :D

in-game ''steering saturation'' settings solves this. so no tinkering in any logitech settings. just in game setup which should be done for every game

@@wildwilco That's not true at all

@@kai325d3 so my exact solution to this problem that helped for me and all my friends using wheels with this exact problem.... is not true?

is your g923 still in good working condition after two years?

@@lukstahhhoopz9926 yes it still does.

The pricing of g pro is so much above the g923 😐 Logitech should have a model with direct drive between the g pro and g923. Like a g924DD not as strong as the g pro in the same housing as the g923 (and same pedals as the g923).

You as well! Thanks for watching :)

Whats a really good quality wheel that you would suggest over this one?

@@upurnose46 CSL DD is direct drive wheel base from fanatec, 360 dollars BUT all others Are over 1k

The rattling off-road on horizon makes my wheel feel and sound like it’s about to fall apart. Do you notice that too or have you found a way around that?

@@bradwk2srt843 same I just got mine and thought it was broken 😅

@@bradwk2srt843 I know this is an old comment, but for anyone wondering - in forza horizon 4/5 turn down the "off road feel" in the force feedback advanced settings and it is way better. I like to use around 0.3 anything over 0.5 is incredibly obnoxious.

Yeah, this just doesn't compare well to the T300. Which is belt driven, and has a motor more than twice as powerful. Comes with the T3pa pedals too. This is too expensive for what it is.

LOL I used the Momo Force for like 12 years before I moved out of my parents' house and didn't have the room for it anymore. I just moved and can afford to have a rig again, and bought the G29. I just couldn't justify anything else.

@@Erowens98 lol how powerful do you need your wheel to be? I´ve driven real cars and the wheels don´t usually take Arnold Schwarzenegger strength to drive lol

@@buzzbuzzard3809 More torque=faster response. Even if you only want light resistance a higher torque wheel will still be better because it'll work faster. This is very noticeable in something like drifting, where you rely heavily on the wheels fast self steering to catch the skid. Also, if you want to simulate something like a classic race car, or any car that doesn't have powersteering. Those things very well could give 12-25nm of resistance.

He was playing on console it seemed, but he's able to change

How’s it going? I’m thinking about buying one but I’m hearing a lot of bad things

@@bucktizzy5911 buy one bruv, I got mines yesterday and it’s so fun. The only thing is you need to search up steering wheel settings, especially for forza 5. If you don’t tune settings you’ll keep spinning out

If you happen to upgrade, go for the t300rs. I doubt logitech is releasing a new wheel in the near future.

@@xcake2652 wish I could. Thrusmaster support here in Brazil is difficult. I’m not in a position right now to afford any financial mistakes. What attracted me to Logitech was: entry level, reliability and full company support here in Brazil. But I’m going to buy a T300RS GT Edition eventually. I’m itching for it.

@@yourbraziliansimracer817 Damn, thats sad. I had very bad experiences personally with the G29, none with the T300RS. Obv if there is horrible customer service then that is kinda a dealbreaker. Only thing i was afraid of were the power issues, the cooling issues have been fixed in the t300. But no issues yet, have had t300 for 2 months now👍

Tell me about it 🙄

@@OCRacing 🙄🙄🙄

Yep.

True

Very

I'm still on a DFGT that i have broken the case and brake pedal but ghetto rigged them both to barely work. I was looking at a G29 with H pattern would be a huge upgrade. I drove my friends G29 and the pedals alone was worth it, the speed of the wheel on transition of drifts and lightness compared to the slow clunky DFGT.

@@z33tannerComing from an ex DFGT user, skip the G29 and just get a Thrustmaster (preferably with T3PA pedals).

@@118Shadow118 The TMX Pro looks nice, actually cheaper than the G29 with shifter. The T300 with proper pedals and shifter is $480 though, out of my price range.

@@z33tanner just fyi, TMX is for Xbox and PC, if you need PS compatability, go for a T150

@@118Shadow118 Get the TLCM pedals from thrustmaster, no regrets

My wife is planning on getting me this for christmas i have wanted one for a few years but never brought myself to get it

read the pinned comment

It's the first thing that caught my eye.

@Tom 360, thats standard for f1

@@PilbeamYT If you’re talking about f1 games, yeah, but IRL they are about 400, 540 for Monaco

@@zideous well yeah but f1 games are shit so 360 works best

Is it compatible with ps5?

And can i connect a vr at the same time

@@ismailbana8415 not sure on compatibility with ps5 says online it is tho and you should be able to run vr with it

Pretty fucking annoyed. I only just started getting interested in driving wheels, pedals, shifters and all of the thrustmaster T300RS GT's are either out of stock, discontinued, or overpriced.

@@worlwr2 I had to replace mine due to electric short but I just got the rs edition and the 3 pedal ad on

Could be worth investing a foldae racing seat. Cheaper than a proper racing seat and can bolt the pedals down nicely

I upgraded my brake spring to a gt eye brake spring and it feels better but it's nowhere near as good as it should be. The wheel is ok but the pedals are horrendous and I own a G29

@JM #7 RACING Totally agree. Potentiometers start spiking in a while.

Pedals will shit themselves after some hard use, brake feel is horrendous, throttle and brake dont have enough rake. Its overpriced entry level kit. Making the upgrade to the fanatec was the easiest decision after trying one. Vastly superior

Its almost the same price as the G29 🤔

@@ThatPixelGuy In finland its 199€ for G29 and G923 399€ which is more than T300RS GT, where are you from?

Still gunna be a big chunk of change, more than likely almost 1000 after you add a wheel, pedals and shifter

dylan sanford They sell them separately?

@@XxGAMERxXPS3 yeag

@@XxGAMERxXPS3 ya its 350 just for the base, about another 400+ for the wheel pedals vary on price from 80 up, 229 for the cheapest 3 pedal atm, and 250 for the shifter

dylan sanford Yeah... Am keeping my G29. That shit sounds overpriced and I dont give a f*** if its Direct drive or what every bs the claim it gives. 400 for wheel pedals that’s absolutely mad. Its just wheel paddles. Bruh Ps5 controller with that haptic motor feed back will give better braking feeling then that shit for 400 dollars.

same

what pedals did you get? i heard thrustmaster pedals are not very good.

@@lovelyjubbly87 GT version has upgraded pedal set with clutch. T3PA. Its awesome, recently upgraded to T300RS GT from G29.

@@xcake2652 is there that much of a difference to upgrade from the g29 to t300rs ? Like what's the biggest difference ?

@@xcake2652 thank you, yep that's what I was looking for. Can you recommend a good cockpit that's doesnt cost thousands?

I have the exact same problem. My G920's power supply died in a month and a half and i replaced it with the G923. It's extremely weak compared to the G920 and older games like PC1 basically have no FFB. I'll have to keep it though cause i don't want to mess with the store and warranty again.

right? yes. in ten years the 923 will cost 250 also. its like children dont understand how economy works. And we live in a world where skyrim and fallout cost full price for almost ten years.

@@dbspaceoditty It's idiotic to expect a wheel like this, which is literally a g25/g27 which are literally 15+ years old at this point (g25 released in 2006) to be released at such a price with minimal changes. I bought a used G29 at 150 and I think I overpaid for it. It's a good wheel to have fun, but it's not worth the 300+ it costed 10 years ago. Also, I never saw skyrim and fallout cost full price except when they were released. I've paid 4€ for Skyrim SE for the PC and 7€ 8 years go for the regular version

@@pedrosilvamusician you can buy anything on sale or used. like you did the g25. but i think its a good wheel and im happy with my purchase. the only thing i hear about belt driven is the same i hear about direct drive is the same i hear about gear driven. "eventually you are just gonna want something better" so if i get a belt driven, then im just gonna feel i wasted money by not getting a direct drive. where as i know and trust logitech, and from what i hear belt driven wheels feel nice, but generally offer way stronger FFB than needed in most situatons. i dont need to break my wrist because i hit an edge.

@@dbspaceoditty u cant break your wrist with an belt driven wheel. there's no point buying Logitech at a price point of 400 dollars

@@Miguel-th3wx well, i like logitech products and support then, and almost broke my wrist on my logitech. had too take 2 weeks off the game. i dont trust thrust master because they get shit reviews and they have shit longevity. my controller will stand daily use for the next six to ten years.

you may as-well have for the price of the monthly costs lmao

@@aidenmeakin8747 Im no support of iracing since I think it's a waste of money, but many people do drive with G27/G29 wheels, and they are competitive anyway. You don't need high end gear to take iracing seriously. Ofc, eventually you'll spend the same amount of money for a top high end wheel with the sub + cars and tracks money but oh well

And thank you for watching :)

i play g923 with most games but not crew 2 its not playable i think.

I had both, and it’s completely with it in my opinion

Those are the rev indicators, thus they only light up when you’re supposed to upshift in game. I don’t think there’s a way to keep them permanently turned on.

you can use FanaLEDs to mess around with the rev indicators, and even change their function

you can swap springs in the brakes

@@orangy68 He explained it in the comments already, dumbass. Besides, it's only rotation.

@@orangy68 don't cry

its unplayable with the logitech g29 wheel on disc version , they haven’t fixed it yet

I’m a pc player and looking for a good wheel I’m not sure which to go for could you help me out

@@ddm6779 thrustmaster t150 pro

they didn even restyle it lol

How much is g29. I see it still 299.99 and g923 is 349.99

i think he means it’s weak compared to other wheels like the t300 and all of the fanatec wheels.

@@imposter4518 I had nothing to compare it to. I ended up going with the t300 with the load cell pedals the tss hand brake and th8a shifter. Much better than the Logitech setup, but also more expensive. I had to pay 300 for the sim hub for some reason that thing is impossible to come by

I was thinking the same thing bro, hes playing old games. IM wondering how it would do on Forza 5

In my personal opinion none of the newer model wheels from any brand are weak. However I have a friend that has the 923 that he usually plays around 80-90% ffb and so I lent him my t300rs to try out and the ffb on my wheel wound up breaking his desk at 75% (we were in college and he didn’t have a very high quality desk lol but still). I don’t play with very high ffb myself but I think his point on the ffb in the video was to be taken into comparison with other wheels on the market. To me feel is more important than a ton of ffb power anyways and I think you get a ton of smooth movements and feel for the price of the 923. It’s an absolutely great starter wheel and it seems to hold second hand value very well from what I’ve personally seen.

@@brendancarter3453 thanks for that opinion. I'm looking at a used one that's got all the packaging and in new condition for £200 and hearing its a good starter setup is reassuring. Thanks.

Imo you should’ve got the g929. Better for the mobey

@@envy77 yeah I’ve seen a lot of reviews of all the Logitech stuff and have seen upsides and downsides to all of them, this is my first time ever experiencing any kind of force feedback and it’s just so new to me and cool so I think I honestly would’ve been happy with a 50 dollar bungee system haha

Also stop playing The Crew 2 it's one of the worst games ever made. Try Forza Horizon 5...

I’ve heard that’s a popular mod. How’s it worked out for you?

@@OCRacing it's been great, I wish the spring was a little stronger but it's about the same strength as the 923. Easy to install and well worth it I'd say

@@EpicMailPotato good to hear! might try it out some day.

@@OCRacing yeah it makes it I'd say exactly the same as the G923 pedals

Don't need to upgrade to this crap, stick with your G27 and go with something else entirely in the future

I definitely don't recommend this path in 2021 for people getting into sim racing. People should continue with their logitech until they can afford even a basic Fanatec setup. Thrustmaster is like playing with a kids toy compared to Fanatec especially with their new CSL DD coming out. I'd highly recommend skipping the thrustmaster phase nowadays. There isnt even much price difference with between a new fanatec full basic DD setup and a top end Thrustmaster belt driven wheel. Thrustmaster used to be a good option but not anymore!

@@FinnD777 so I’ve watched reviews for the Fanatec dd base. Not heard anyone say it’s worth the money yet. Also you HAVE to buy the booster kit for it to be just slightly better than the csl elite. Seems like the fanatec dd isn’t worth it either. I’d however from personal experience highly recommend exactly the opposite of you. Logitech sounds cheap, looks cheap and from what I’ve trying and heard feels cheap. Where as my thrustmaster t300 rs feels very nice, easy to setup and use on both ps4 and pc. I don’t see any single argument where Logitech offers any better than Thrustmaster. Thrustmaster also have a big line of upgrades you can do. And if you’re playing on console like I do, fanatec just isn’t possible. Since the csl elite have been discontinued, the only compatible wheel base for the ps4, cost 1800€. That’s just insane, so I wouldn’t even recommend fanatec anymore. But if you can find a csl elite with pedals for around 3-400€ that would be the best option. Anything else, go with Thrustmaster.

@@AcD420 I’m guessing you are one of the Thrustmaster army. Don’t worry I’m no Fanatec fanboy, but the CSL DD is obviously a better wheel base. From someone who’s tried my friends Thrustmaster t300 quite a few times, had my own Logitech g920 and a DD1, I know the market. Thrustmaster wheel is better than Logitech, but I still think that the best way in is the trusty cheap Logitech that is super durable with a good resale value. The CSL DD is better than the CSL Elite, that’s clear, the reviews compare the 5nm version to the DD1 and other similar wheels, not any belt driver wheel (with the CSL Elite already being superior to Thrustmaster’s offerings). Thrustmaster have done a good thing realeasing the tgt, I believe it will be a great product filling a gap in the market. Also CSL DD is compatible with Xbox and PS version is expected very soon with the announcement of Gran Turismo 7

@@FinnD777 nonono my friend haha, Im not in any “group” for wheels, I simply just have a Thrustmaster. Before I started looking at wheels and looking deep into what wheel I should get, I was also saying Logitech was probably best as they are more known. But I wouldn’t say you’re right, the dd wheel should be compared to other direct drive wheels, not belt driven as it is a direct drive wheel. Most reviews I’ve seen if the dd stated that getting it without the boost kit wasn’t worth anything, you’d be better of sticking to your g29 or t150/300 and save up more money for newer wheels in the future. I like to think of it this way: Logitech is for people with limited money, not sure if they wanna get into sim racing but wanna try it out. Thrustmaster is for people who know they wanna get into sim racing, but don’t have big stacks of money. And fanatec is for people who either don’t like money, have to much money, or are way to into sim racing. And yes fanatec is from what I’ve seen and heard, by far the best wheels (on a mass production level) out there. Great quality and great compatibility within their own eco system for upgrades of wheel rims and pedals etc. However the price is also way up there. I know getting a direct drive wheel base for 350€ is insanely cheap, however, from a direct drive, I would certainly expect more than 5nm. Like that’s pretty much what my t300 do. And outside of the 350€ you also have to spend at least 150 on a pedal set and another 150 for a wheel rim. That’s just a hell of a lot of money for most people. Compared to the csl elite set which was I think 550€ for base, rim and pedals. Putting out the same nm as the dd. Anyway, fanatec is looking like they’re moving over to having direct drive only which I think is a big shame as the csl elite was so popular. And especially if you’re on ps4 fanatec right now is a complete no go. I know the dd is coming to ps4 which I like very much, as it’s great to see they don’t just solely focus on pc. And just to tie a knot to your first line, I don’t really care what other people are racing on or using as long as they’re happy with it. This community is split enough over 3 different platforms with 10 or so different sim titles to race on. Wheels and such are the only thing actually combining the entire sim racing community so seeing all this beef and tension between users of different brands really take 90% of all the fun away, hence my choice of just trying to express my experiences and knowledge so people might look into things themselves to see what’s gonna be best for them instead of just seeing one sponsored ad and buy the wheel straight away

@@AcD420 Ok, I’m not gonna give you a long long response 😂. I think you missed the point of the reviews, when they say that the 5nm version is lacking something. They are comparing it to a strong direct drive wheel, not a t300. Chris Haye said very clearly that even at the base version is is in a different league to any belt or gear driven wheel and others had similar thoughts. It may be too weak for the avid sim racer who wants full simulation, but 5nm is still plenty of strength for anyone who isn’t in that category yet. As for prices the CSL DD is €350, pedals €80 and wheel rim €200. That’s €630, which I know isn’t cheap but is definitely comparable in price with the higher end Thrustmaster products. I’m not saying people should just throw their money at this Fanatec wheel, I just think that they should start with a cheap Logitech or Thrustmaster, and just wait until you can afford an upgrade to the DD!

a tad more always seems like twice the amount.

I need one for ps5 I have $250-$350 to spend

Bruh, damn boy why dont me just buy a used car instead of spending 2000$ on racing setup and even more on pc setup. For price range of 4-5k you can get an used E30 or Subaru Wrx Sti.

the thing is that people who play games like f1 would spend a little more but the people who buy these $400 just want a wheel that has peddles and wheel that has feedback and shifter. they play games like gta5

@@krg8590 so everyone that buys a G923 plays GTA now? Such an idiotic comment. I mean this ranks in my top 5 most idiotic comments that I have seen.

@@tmane.7848 lmao sorry i didnt knew that gta doesnt support steering wheel at that time lmao mybad😅

Csl elite is discontinued by fanatec meaning you have to buy it used. From the prices I see online on all sites, they still go for around the same price as retail even though they are clearly used. I’d say that if you have a brand new csl elite still in box, you might even be able to sell it for more than retail price

Bruh I can’t afford it

@@shushhh8543 it’s the cheapest one that’s probably good out there rn

@@gooniejay3529 bro I would get it if I can afford it

@@shushhh8543 get a g29, same thing

@@daifuku9320 bro the g920 and g29 are the same prices like £220

Thrustmaster 300 RS is same price basically. Don‘t know if it‘s any good, I own the G29. But I recommend you to save a bit longer and then buy the Fanatech CSL Elite (F1 Edition)

@@Max-hq4uo I did own the T300 and it was great for that price point. I upgraded after a year to a CSW v2,5 but I had a lot of fun with the T300 so I recommend it.

Thrustmaster TX

Coming from a longtime G29 user, I was initially excited when the G923 was announced. I was disappointed with the price and that it was still a gear-driven wheelbase. For that price point, upgrading to one of the Thustmaster TMX wheelbases would be better. I opted to go even better and got a Fanatec CSW 2.5 and CSL Elite load cell pedals. If Logitech would take the leap and start making belt-driven wheels and actual load cell pedals, I would be interested.

@@JCDagz the jump must be so big for you! The only thing that bugged me with the t300 was the notchiness which the CSW doesn't have so that was like pretty much the only reason why I upgraded, so yeah. The jump from a g29 to the CSW must be astronomical

Crazy how many people say this. Logitech claims the two varients to be exactly the same however, the amount of people saying otherwise convinced me to buy the pc/ps version. Still haven't used it hopefully they are right.

@@Jordan-nt4tl what happened?

I’m just getting into Sim racing for F1 at the moment. Was just curious what you meant by recalibrating the pedals backwards?

@@DastardlyDago I get it. So when you have a Logitech wheel most of the time for asetta Corsa or F1 on game pass, you will start a race like normal but the car for out of control cause the pedals are backwards. Gas up means gas down. Breaking is opposite too. So you will need to recalibrate in settings. So when you do that hold the gas in before you start the calibration and then start the calibrating and let go then end the calibration then let off the pedal. Same with the gas and the clutch. I hope you can picture all that in your head

Monaco simulator.

Get the new dd fanatec wheel. The cheapest one not the 1000 dollar one. Below 600 not worth it paying less than that.

@@misterpacha1 not worth paying less than $600‽ 🤨

@@tomc5435 if i want to sim race with a toy go ahead. If u don't want to regret it ur budget should be 600 or above.

@@misterpacha1 a tx or ts300 are more than adequate.

Also the newest csl dd from fanatec is around 350. Not 600$

direct wheels

@@andyvecchiarelli2998 or even just belt driven wheels

Logitech aren't completely focused/dedicated to sim gear like companies such as Thrustmaster and Fanatec, therefore a new wheel is kinda unlikely

Where!

@@TJ85234 eBay

Still don't understand how people tolerate the plastic gears inside these logitech wheels when T300, belt driven, is priced so similarly.

@@HoshinoMirai and it’s the same plastic gear technology they’ve used since the g25

what did you go with