I definitely would be!

Thank you for doing all of this. I start with /r/-ful vs. r-less dialects. I'm an American, so I like /r/'s. Keep on!

​@@JositooooNo, phonetics and phonology are part of linguistics, and it's definitely not taught in schools. You're delusional if you really think anyone is taught IPA or phonotactics or morphophonology.

@@JositooooYou sound like a bit of a “diched”, if you catch my drift?

@@Jositoooo Well maybe but Simon tells us this is mostly extracurricular for him.

That's true! Some of the phoneticians' descriptions are useful there too, as they often advise people on how NOT to speak (which implies that somebody was speaking that way).

I believe that in Shakespearean times there could be more than one 'correct' spelling of words.

@@sirbarringtonwomblembe4098 In the First Folio, there were as many as three different spellings of the same word _in the same sentence._

As we know English is usually a very precise representation of speech, with no ambiguity.

​@@StillAliveAndKicking_think of all problems that would cuase, not just the lives lost and ones lived in unshakable suffering but even the numberless little miseries whole societies wouldn't even realize they felt; To me personally as someone who stuggles with being accepted, I think the worst part of it all would be because it was just the stats quo most people sense they flet weak and or slightly insulted would it defend down to the bone no matter what they had to lose or gain, even if to the outside or to history it looked as though they might as well attack the left handed

It's always helpful when someone goes to the trouble of stating the obvious.

That’s while partly true isn’t entirely true. There has been academic class going back to before Bede in the 8th Century, who typically weren’t ‘upper class.

The priestly class has always been more educated than the majority, yet they weren't necessarily upper-class. And they certainly had more time to study books and write down their own ruminations than the peasants working in the fields or the later factory workers.

It's not just time but contact with other linguistic community. Chinese linguistics starts with familiarity with Sanskrit chants. What passed for Roman linguistics was under the influence of the study of Greek. And so on.

"Ah...Yeeessss." Say that with an uppity and condescending tone as would Peter O' Toole!🤣🤣

Just seems, or is it actually very well done?

@@jakubkovac346 It's well presented and well executed, although I am not a specialist in this area so I don't know whether all the facts are accurate.

Did you tell your class that British accent doesn’t exist? 😅

yes and explain why you showed it? what was the objective?

Ironic the cost of University education these days and yet not only can you get most if not all the same information from KZfaq, University professors and lecturers are actually using KZfaq as a resource in lectures. 👀

did you just SIC this man?

@@basileusbasil4041They did! They just SICed this man!

@ghoultooth what does that mean?

Formal qualification, a set of arbitrary guidelines established by someone without formal qualification.

P​@@ghoultooth

Mind if I keep my arms hanging? It's difficult to lay down my arms at the moment giving I am sitting upright.

would have been nice but israel launched more attacks on hospitals during christmas eve and christmas day.

@@Storin_of_Kel just don't hold them in the air, you'll tire yourself out

I am the only Queen / Princess / Lady / Goddess / Leader / Star etc aka the pure / superior being (and the only being reflecting special names such as Elise / Elizabeth / Lisbeth etc) and the pure protectors aka the alphas are the only king / prince / lord / man / gentleman / lad / guy / boy etc, and we are the only upper class, and by the way, only I reflect words such as The One or The Only One etc and numbers, and such terms and words like dia (which means day) cannot be in yt names or names etc either and must be changed - all wøm’n / dudes are the exact opposite of queen / king etc and other superiority and purity terms and special names and natural related names or terms etc, and are eempure by design, and all ppl are working!

I am learning 15+ languages at the moment, including the prettiest languages ever created Icelandic + Norse and Dutch and Norwegian that are as pretty / refined / poetic as English and too pretty not to know, and Icelandic pronunciation and Norse pronunciation are super easy category 1 pronunciations, and Dutch pronunciation also, so I can even pronounce the new words in these languages without practicing at all, and I can naturally pronounce them without accent, so it sounds like native pronunciation, however languages such as Danish / French / German / Brazilian Portuguese / Swedish have a category 2 pronunciation and an accent that one must practice a lot to get the same sound - það er mikilvægt að læra Íslensku og FornNorrenu og Hollensku og Norsku, því þær eru alltof flottar og fullkomnar! 🇮🇸 🇳🇱 🇳🇴 🇸🇪 🇺🇸 🇩🇰 🇬🇧 🇩🇪 🇱🇺 🇮🇪 🇫🇴

I speak an accent in which they still do

@@chrisinnes2128Where is that accent from?

Fife in Scotland

Fascinating!

Hope for a northern pronunciation video too.

Second the motion. I grew up in the American Midwest, but my British grandmother lived with us in my early teens. She was from Jarrow, but spoke with a received accent.

he did a comparison of northern & southern accents on a similar time scale to this video

@@deborahharding647Do you know her maiden name? I live in a neighbouring town now but my family and I are originally from Jarrow (Jarra)

I miss the transatlantic accent. My beloved Grand Aunt was one of the last people I knew who had one.

I agree, can’t beat it. Merry Christmas.

Agree! Happy Christmas!

Truuuuuuue! Merry merry!

Why are people so histrionic on social media?

Why are people so cynical on social media?@@th8257

Everybody's a comedian.

same here, I find it fascinating

Yes.

Already been done on this channel. Worth searching around

​@@loganfinn2728 my recollection is that he only briefly mentioned it in a few words on his video about the West Country dialect. Every other time he mentions "American English being older" it has always been directed towards the US accent more broadly. I know for a fact that Simon has never delved into any linguistic details on American Southern accents.

Not much to be said,, is there? not exactly the myth of Atlantis to untangle, rich british people went to america and bought slaves, the south is born

I'm from upstate western New York. Sometimes i cannot tell Irish folks apart from UNY folks. Though it depends on the Irishman. But some Irish accents sound no different from my own

I have always lived in Massachusetts. Years ago when I was a flight attendant working a flight that started in Alabama, a little girl asked me if I was from England. Her mom said I sounded English too. I don’t hear it at all. I took a voice and articulation class in college to help correct my obnoxious Boston accent.Compared to my friends and family I sound more like I’m from California.

Regional accents in the USA are myriad. In the south, there's often a strong Scottish influence. In the northeast, it's Irish. In the mid-west, it's German. In the Dakotas, it's Norwegian. Spanish is everywhere, particularly in California, and there's a pseudo-French influence in Louisiana. New York has a bizarre mix of accents. Yiddish words and phrases used to be fairly common in entertainment. These have all shifted over the decades and centuries, largely following immigration and migration patterns, but if you listen, the linguistic similarities can often be heard. Now, with the increased saturation of audibly spoken English in modern culture, linguistic distinctions are fading and we're all starting to sound the same.

​@@jimclaysonWhen I watched Making a Murderer on Netflix I was astonished at the amount of Scottish intonations that I heard.

Are there a lot of Irish Americans in the area?​@@dracodistortion9447

Englishman here, all American accents sound the same to me apart from Texan and millennial girls from California are easy to recognise.

Yeah. To me it's either strong new York accent (cwwwoffee), Cali girls with the vocal fry "avarrrrcarrrrdoooowwwwwwwwww" or texan "working nine till five". No other American accents exist to me. The cali girls speak so slowly too is what I noticed. Takes 3 seconds for them to say Avocado ​@@radwald189

Yes, we have stupid people in Britain too... :P But that's rare. 30 years ago I could have told you the difference not only state to state, and big city to city, but even (and easily) the difference between Raleigh and Charlotte NC, or Macon and Atlanta Georgia. And I'd never set foot in America, and have no musical ear. Now that I've seen half the world I think the inability to hear or notice is a measure of the level of comfort - the more comfortable and under control one's life is, the narrower the range of noticing anything. People in poorer countries with less comfortable lives are switched on to every detail. Dickens noticed this, so too Steinbeck and many others. I'm sure you've read Cannery Row - I fancy Mack and the boys would have noticed every detail of a situation that an affluent gentleman of those times would not have seen. In the same way children - less regimented and so less able to predict their lives - are constantly alert to sound. I find hearing 'hearing' foreign languages much harder now simply because I don't have to - before everyone spoke English or had a translate app, we listened with far greater attention. Just as we navigated with far greater attention before Google maps. But affluent people of my experience never listened well, because they expected not to have to, the speaker would make the effort for them.

​@@fiction8909really? State to state, big cities and even more specific regional accents? Despite never having set foot in the US at the time? You're gonna have to explain that one, because it sounds very questionable as-is.

I agree, it would be exciting if this kind of thing was incorporated into period dramas more! Although I understand how difficult it would be to train actors to reproduce the accents.

Thinking about The Witch here 🙏

Love the idea. But, a typical actor memorizing 20 pages of script 2 hours before a shoot may feel differently. Compensation needs to increase, or time constraints need to decrease to incorporate accent memorization. Rough industry, TV and film.

​@@bruhwhateverokThey could do it. Actors learn other accents and different ways of talking all the time. British actors with American accents and vice versa, other country's accents as well. Playing a mentally disabled person, aliens, weird people etc. Voice actors totally change their voices all the time. I really don't see the problem since it's so common in acting to totally change your accent and way of talking.

​@@dickJohnsonpeter Of course they COULD, but the financial issue lies in the specificity of the accents displayed in this video. There are no widely available actor classes for accurate medieval/renaissance accents. There are indeed actor classes for British/American/Irish/etc accents, but they are almost all modern accents. Very few actors will have any medieval accent training, and therefore, the movie sponsors will have to finance additional training prior to filming - even if it's just a two-day crash course, it will cost money. And we all know how "willing" movie makers are to spend money on historical accuracy. Hell, they can't even portray a 747 pilot realistically (watch pilots react to Hollywood pilots here on KZfaq). I sure hope I'm just a pessimist, and that mainstream movies will soon start moving towards better accuracy, but having around 15 professional actors and directors in my social network, I'd say expect an accurate 1673 accent only from devout indie films for now, not any bigger budget ones. The big Hollywood shots just don't give a s**t.

I'm trying to imagine what that would sound like and can only think of Blanche from the Golden Girls :-)))

@MacNab23 Be thou hail! Happy Yule!

America: 350 million people, 6 accents.

@@josephsolowyk7697 What? Not really - a bit more than that. LOL!

It's just a joke man, for the size of the country and the number of people though there are very few accents. @@SamUrtonDesign

Lol. 🎉

It’s more of a misunderstood encapsulated with patriotism that believing George Washington came before RP invented therefore he speaks like current American when in fact it’s not true. People who speaks in Wyoming are different from people who speaks in New York or California, meaning there’s no “True” American accent that mirrors Pre-RP British accent anymore as it slowly changing over time especially when the country is nearing 250th anniversary. It’s same as how RP are assumed to be the the only British accent when in fact most of the population have various dialects in each county and rarely ever speak in RP.

To my ear the 1673 accent sounds even more Irish, mixed in with West Country.

You mean how English the Irish sounded.

@@Avid_Fan Strange quibble, but ok! Let me rephrase: how much like a *contemporary* Irish accent the English accent of 1723 sounds.

No it doesn't

@@HugoNewman I love how you diplomatically refused to grant him that concession 😂

This sounds incredibly interesting! I am deeply studying these days the works of Voltaire and am often amazed by how modern his written French seems when compared with the difference in the English language of the era and what we have today. Was the Parisian accent of this time markedly different to today? (besides I suppose the obvious differences such as 'bof' and 'kiff' haha). To know this would be a step closer to hearing Voltaire's voice itself!

I’ve read that Quebecois French is like a time capsule of 17th century French. Does the same hold true of the Quebec accent as well?

@@jonathanrice1070 I would say it's true, to the extent that if I were to meet Molière and if I had to give my subjective impression of his accent, I'd say he sounded like a Québecois. But a modern-day Québec speaker would probably disagree :)

@@foad7141 I believe the Parisian accent really changed in late-18th century! The "oi" sounds would be read "oé' instead of today's "wa". So "je crois", would be "je croé" which sounds irremediably old and foreign to me! Most final consonants were silent, like the final "r" in "finir, dormir, loisir, plaisir"; some were later reactivated.

@@myriamm9917was this accent change the result of the Revolution? Fewer aristocracy left and a more meritocratic society, with ‘commoners’ in more prominent positions?

I'd say "impossible". Or maybe it's just impossible for _me_ to not 'place' the accents.

Yeah, that totally happened 😂 even prior to that, preschoolers who were very fond of it were picking up her accent

I’m English and my nephew at 3 pronounces some words the American way because of tv 😂

I was also thinking of his accent. You'd imagine his accent would have been much influenced by his fellow aristocratic university comrades at the end of the 19th C.

Russell's grandfather met napoleon, he was born 1792.

I am the only Queen / Princess / Lady / Goddess / Leader / Star etc aka the pure / superior being (and the only being reflecting special names such as Elise / Elizabeth / Lisbeth etc) and the pure protectors aka the alphas are the only king / prince / lord / man / gentleman / lad / guy / boy etc, and we are the only upper class - all wøm’n / dudes are the exact opposite of queen / king etc and other superiority and purity terms and special names and natural related names or terms etc, and are eempure by design, and all ppl are working!

I am learning 15+ languages at the moment, including the prettiest languages ever created Icelandic + Norse and Dutch and Norwegian that are as pretty / refined / poetic as English and too pretty not to know, and Icelandic pronunciation and Norse pronunciation are super easy category 1 pronunciations, and Dutch pronunciation also, so I can even pronounce the new words in these languages without practicing at all, and I can naturally pronounce them without accent, so it sounds like native pronunciation, however languages such as Danish / French / German / Brazilian Portuguese / Swedish have a category 2 pronunciation and an accent that one must practice a lot to get the same sound - það er mikilvægt að læra Íslensku og FornNorrenu og Hollensku og Norsku, því þær eru alltof flottar og fullkomnar! 🇮🇸 🇳🇱 🇳🇴 🇸🇪 🇺🇸 🇩🇰 🇬🇧 🇩🇪 🇱🇺 🇮🇪 🇫🇴

To improve pronunciation and accent in a new language, one must learn all the words automatically, that is, learning and revising each word many times over a period of time, until each word can be instantly processed and remembered / used automatically, and each word must be learnt with its pronunciation and spelling, so vocab videos and other videos etc are the best ways to learn new languages, and learning over 10.000 base words automatically, to get to a native speaker level! Languages such as English / Dutch / German / Danish / Welsh / Breton / French / Brazilian Portuguese use a non-relaxed pronunciation, which means that when one is speaking English or one of the other languages, the muscles involved in speaking are tensed up, and this is one of the things that give these languages that unique / modern / cool sound, so, if one is a speaker of Spanish etc and learning English, to get the right American accent, one must consciously tense up the muscles involved in speaking, while imitating the exact sounds and mouth movements that natives make, and to keep practicing, until one gets the exact accent, and, if one is a speaker of English or one of the other languages and wanting to speak languages such as Spanish without an American accent, one must consciously relax the muscles involved in speaking, while imitating the exact sounds and mouth movements that natives make, as languages such as Spanish / Italian / Galician / Swedish / Norwegian and most other languages use a relaxed pronunciation, which means that when one is speaking Spanish etc, the muscles involved in speaking are kept relaxed, so it’s usually the beginning that’s the most difficult, until new speaking habits are formed, but once they are formed, it all becomes something one does automatically, so it becomes second nature, and usually the accent improves with time as one gets to a native speaker in the new language and gets more and more éxpòsure to the new language, and listening to music and learning lyrics and singing along with the singer’s voice in the background and imitating the exact sounds can also help one develop the new accent and the new speaking habits in the new language faster! For me, mouth movements don’t change much, and I can usually pronounce almost any sound or vowel sound with minimal mouth movement, except for a few sounds, such as the unique ui sound in Dutch words like huis and tuin etc, as one must make a certain mouth movement to get the exact sound, but for most sounds in general it isn’t really necessary for me to change a mouth movement, as I am used to just projecting the voice in different ways and not even making much mouth movement when I speak, as the sound itself comes from the vocab cords and is controlled by the hern technically, so I can say most letters and sounds with almost no mouth movement, but it depends on the speaker, so maybe for most speakers it is easier to make a new sound if they make the exact mouth movement that natives make!

1923 one is called 'conservative RP' I believe. It's my favourite. It sounds so smooth, majestic and rich, like a strong wine or something.

Although we consider it posh upper class, it's not used nowadays. Posh upper class today are people like Prince William and Harry and also the cast of made in chelsea. None of them sound like that (unfortunately)

The late Queen's youthful accent was Edwardian. It was marked by contrasting vowel shapes in a word like "today", with "to-" almost a pout and "-day" a wide ey with abrupt closure. Ladies spoke in a high pitched and clipped manner, different from the later Queen. Modern upper and upper-middle class English accents have mid-Atlantic inflections (city = cidee).

@@borderlands6606 yes i thought it changed over time slightly.

@@borderlands6606 The Queen and many other people who did a lot of public speaking had voice training, which deliberately changed much of how they spoke. It wasn't all a natural progression in line with what they were hearing around them. For HM the big change came in the fall out from Lord Altrincham (John Grigg)'s strictures in 1957. He described her way of speaking as "a pain in the neck"and said she sounded like "a priggish schoolgirl."

Southern American accents sound to me to be closer to Irish than English accents, which I guess might make sense if a lot of the people there originally migrated from Ireland.

Yes my understanding is that when accent experts and phoneticians say the posh English accent is related to American english they're speaking specifically about the accent of the upper class from coastal Georgia and the Carolinas. As someone who grew up not far from that region, it's very rare to hear that accent. The common ancestor analogy is a good one. You'll catch some older folks with it, but even then it's more of an emphasis on certain words. The first well known person that comes to mind is the Senator Lindsay Graham. It's similar, but he doesn't quite have that super posh non-rhotic sound.

Perfectly put

@katrinabryce There wasn't much Irish immigration to the south, southerners mostly descend from the English and Ulster-Scots.

​​​@@katrinabryce There wasn't a huge amount of Irish emigration to the south in comparison to the numbers of Scottish, Ulster Scots/Scots Irish and English folk who went there. Even areas like Boston that had a huge number of Irish immigrants at a later date, I get the sense that they mostly assimilated to the local dialect that preceded them, such as is the norm with most immigrants to any new country over generations. The earlier settlement periods were different because there were no long established homogeneous dialects from region to region (not to mention differing languages)

I know from listening to my great aunts who were born in the 1920s and listening to people today how different our Prestonian-Lanky accent has changed in sound and pronunciation. We've lost many of the old words today that no one speaks today too

Thank you very much for your kind words :) Best wishes to you, too!

In the case of Jamaica, the rhoticity actually comes from the Irish. Jamaican Patois originates from the Irish indentured servants teaching the African slaves how to speak English. The largest ethnic group behind black African on Jamaica is white Irish.

i don’t have any experience in this field but haven’t the pronunciation styles of both jamaica and australia evolved and changed since that time? and if they have, wouldn’t it be hard to make a supposition about the connection between modern and antiquated speech?

Irish slaves were sent to the Carribean to work the sugar fields and build industry but it was too hot for them to work..then came the African slaves who learned to speak English..with an Irish accent. At least this was the story told to me in Barbados

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They were formed in very different ways, influenced by a very different class. That is the reason. The influence of prisoners and guards is far different than the influence of the well educated upper class. The problem with these theories being played with is that they're ignoring what created the accents in the first place. Level of education in communities. Less education, more slang and twists on words they've heard said but never studied the proper use of..the written word vs what people hear from a distance. Terms blend together, letters get dropped. It becomes functional for that area instead of following a set guideline.

They do on occasion at the Globe Theatre, London. There’s a YT video about it. What’s interesting is that if spoken in the original there are a lot of Pins and jokes that simply don’t work in RP.

@@supertuscans9512 or right I'll have a look thanks

If they got actors doing modern Somerset accents, maybe even Devon accents (they are not the exactly the same), I am sure the English of London in the early 17th C would understand it better.

The 1600s one sounded very Germanic, I could have been fooled into thinking it was a modern Dutch accent. We use a lot of old English words still in the north east of England as well and even a couple words that are adjacent to danish for example “garn hyem” for “going home” where “gar hjem” in danish would be to walk home

That's very kind, especially coming from somebody whose videos I've enjoyed and learnt from! Thank you very much :)

@@simonroper9218 Wow! That totally made my day, which is quite an achievement since the toilet overflowed and water dripped through two ceilings!

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Sama at Thu jah audag Niujer!@@OnkelPeters

Try the Sudbury Devil, a supernatural horror film set in late 17th century New England by KZfaqr atun shei films

Though there would be very little reason other than coincidence for this. Other than the Norman Kings speaking old French until the 1400’s, Anglo-Saxon old English was adopted by all by the 1500’s, and was taken from the broader populace who spoke this. Most influences on accent would have been Anglo-Saxon or Norse. As was existent by the common ppl, with few if any other influences upon the nobility.