Analog VS Digital - FPV RACE SHOOTOUT!

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4 жыл бұрын

We have been loving the DJI Digital FPV system! It has performed so well for FPV freestyle and cinematic flying.... but what about top level racing? Captain Vanover is here to pit digital FPV against analog FPV. Which system will he be able to fly the fastest??
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@xjet 4 жыл бұрын

I recall saying (even before I got my hands on a DJI system) that *VARIABLE* latency would be the issue for racers. However, if you're not a hardcore racer then the DJI system really is mind-blowingly good. My crashes are *so* much better in HD!

@StacemanFPV 4 жыл бұрын

Lololol!

@mistercohaagen 4 жыл бұрын

And by "better" you mean... more expensive?

@xjet 4 жыл бұрын

@@mistercohaagen No... it means that I get to think _"I can save it"_ for an extra 10mS before I realize that I've crashed :-)

@mistercohaagen 4 жыл бұрын

@@xjet Hehe, that you've already crashed... got it, lol!

@jana171 4 жыл бұрын

ROFLMAO @xjet You kill me... literally... "I can save it"... Dude that's just omfg fun !

@MrSteeleFPV 4 жыл бұрын

And people question why I still fly analog :)

@jrc5306 3 жыл бұрын

sure you switched to DJI now hehe :)

@jayevox932 3 жыл бұрын

@jrc fpv right 🤣

@jadoncampbell2740 3 жыл бұрын

@@jayevox932 lol

@jadoncampbell2740 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Mr steele I getting in to fpv because of you.

@ryanpetty392 3 жыл бұрын

This is to JB, drib and you. Thank you guys for all your informative videos,. You guys helped me out so much! I’ve been flying since March 2020. I work and have 2 kids but still strive to fly. You guys inspired me to fly more! I hate the conflict, but love the enthusiasm, and personality’s you guys have! Love you guys and stay positive! You guys and Vanover stay positive and humble ! We appreciate you all.

@c47force15 3 жыл бұрын

I love flying analog, it makes me feel like im back in the 80s.

@jessjess3369 9 ай бұрын

One of the reason im still on analog,bring the og feeling🤣

@slartibartphast7160 4 жыл бұрын

My first thought is the drone with props would go faster.

@burned_esc 4 жыл бұрын

:'D

@wynnfpv 4 жыл бұрын

Haha

@capt.flyingcitrus3325 4 жыл бұрын

Stop discrimination propless drones !

@NeoIsrafil 4 жыл бұрын

Depends on how hard you throw the other one. ;)

@jeffreyhorst447 4 жыл бұрын

Underrated comment😂😂

@thomascee 4 жыл бұрын

*Plot twist:* *_It was sponsored by FatShark_* 😂

@XeroToll 4 жыл бұрын

Vanover is a beast...

@DatMilu2K 4 жыл бұрын

He is insane

@tony1954 4 жыл бұрын

He really is. Remember the video where he could tell the difference between to quads by their weights in motors? yes. He REALLY is a beast.

@gman1185 4 жыл бұрын

Is he from earth??

@bskdopeboy 4 жыл бұрын

I thought I was the only one who could see him :S

@masumoto007 4 жыл бұрын

You ought to see it in person..... it's wicked fast!

@changeagent228 4 жыл бұрын

Maybe DJI could make a ultra low latency mode by lowering the resolution and bitrate and having it set constant. At present it's at 960x720 up to 25Mbps 22 - 28ms when for racing you could still compete with analogue running at 480x360 locked to 5Mbps with a latency of hopefully around 11ms.

@ofiasdfnosdf 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks guys! Excellent episode!

@amirmehler 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Wanted to see that for a while now

@imager09tube 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent effort guys, thank you very much.

@DoubleBFPV 2 жыл бұрын

Great job guys thanks for all the intel!

@ErichHaubrich 4 жыл бұрын

I'll never be as fast as Vanny, Drew or Bardwell, so I think latency will not be an issue. :)

@udxpierre 2 жыл бұрын

In full agreement with this statement, concerning my fpv skill.

@skookumpodcast3119 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, if i ever get to the point where i start racing i might switch to analog, but since im sticking with freestyling im staying digital

@quadspeedfpv 4 жыл бұрын

Awesome video thank you for the comparison I love the direction your taking rotor riot drew keep up the good work.

@sganzerlag 4 жыл бұрын

Awesome episode, guys. I had a blast watching this. I bet you guys had a blast filming it too. Yall look so happy, and you should. If I could afford it, I'd be running dji digital right now. Just because I can't afford it doesn't mean I won't admit it's great. I think only absolutely top-level pilots like Vanover will notice and be hampered by the variable latency. So of course, Drew and Bardwell: sorry but I guess that means you two simply aren't quite in Vanover's league just yet hahahah. Yall keep up the excellent work! Best regards from Brasilia, Brazil.

@goballistik1 4 жыл бұрын

Hey Rod, Thanks so so very deeply much for the great Hero Session cam you sold me through Shizzle Bo-dizzle FPV,Kyle. I appreciate your extremely fair price. I've reconditioned it and it has made me a couple beauty vids in the short time I've had it. THANK YOU AGAIN ROD.

@PlanetJeroen 4 жыл бұрын

Great stuff guys, tnx!

@gingercholo 4 жыл бұрын

dude i love bardwell! consistent timing skills is really how you fly fpv

@jana171 4 жыл бұрын

Alex is SO consistent that i believe this is as good a test as any would be... when you're chasing the last milliseconds in a race to beat your nemesis, and your Alex level good...stuff like this matters !

@Ali-rb4bo Жыл бұрын

he should have used the same controller for both quads aswell

@AgustinMolini 4 жыл бұрын

Great video guys. Alex you are a beast man crazy good flying.

@vhfgamer 4 жыл бұрын

Anxiously waiting for things to come back in stock in your guy's store!

@escape1329 4 жыл бұрын

I also think it's worth mentioning, the fatshark DVR makes the analogue look much worse than it actually looks in the goggles.

@fpv_com_pl 4 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@oldirtyrod 4 жыл бұрын

@@fpv_com_pl fatshark DVR is almost the worst thing in FPV, its terrible if i knew how bad it was i would have never bought fatsharks.

@joshuasterling2144 4 жыл бұрын

I know what you mean, but it just makes Fatshark look worse. The DJI DVR crushes any onboard implementations by a large margin. Even analogue records better on it.

@Alluvian567 4 жыл бұрын

This is good to know. Looking at so much fatshark dvr footage I have always thought that there is no way I could fly with such an awful image, I would hit every branch and powerline in the world, lol. Not to say I don't already do that because I suck.

@escape1329 4 жыл бұрын

@@Alluvian567 yeah haha. if you wanna see some decent quality DVR, here's a video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ntqfidyF0q3Llpc.html obviously it's still not 100% of the quality it is in the goggles, but it's obviously much better than what the fatshark DVR shows.

@andywakelin1380 4 жыл бұрын

OMG he's fast! Its nice to see more race related content.

@johnsondigitalmedia 3 жыл бұрын

Put two cameras on same drone, one digital, one analog, put a small millisecond timer mounted on drone in bottom frame of cameras. Analyze footage.

@deadringerfpv6412 4 жыл бұрын

The racing videos are gold. Thanks

@Orage530 4 жыл бұрын

I figured this was the case when digital systems came out. I'm glad you guys put em to the vanny test so I can feel better about my decision to get the HDO2 instead of the DJI system.

@joshuasterling2144 4 жыл бұрын

Literally unless you are a pro racer DJI smashes all expectations. I have it and there is no comparison. Not only that I crash less because I can actually see where I am going. Its the tech I have waited for almost six years to see happen.

@daviddouglasspeidel 2 жыл бұрын

Love it when these guys get together.

@breakalegfpv9532 4 жыл бұрын

i really like the subluminal and phycological messages pushing to help improve this hobby the feed back from company's is driven by the testers,

@peregrinussolutionsllc6010 4 жыл бұрын

Great video! I've noticed the slight video latency on larger DJI drones such as the Phantom series can be a pesky issue when trying to directly line up with an object and thought this might translate into a substantial for FPV racing or freestyle. Very nice to see that it's not much of a concern unless you are competing at the highest FPV race levels :-). Also gooood Lord your fast :-D haha I kept hearing Top Gun 1 "Feel the need for speed!" Replaying in my head while you were flying analog!

@lf5133 4 жыл бұрын

Best part of this video was Bardwell coming in late at the end. 😂😂😂 Seriously thought good fair and impartial review guys.

@marcelwelschbillig8240 4 жыл бұрын

I had problems hitting the ground and getting much lower to the ground when I switched to DJI too. The DJI camera FOV is narrower than the foxeer cams I was using so you are getting less ground in the DJI view making you fly closer to the ground until you get used to it. Also the stick throw is longer on the DJI radio especially if you are used to the tarranis short throw throttle gimbal. That compounds the problem because your thumb needs to move further. Its a bit unreasonable to expect the same lap times and consistency with a system he has had very little time to adjust to especially at that crazy level!

@ryanbunnell7488 4 жыл бұрын

Great video. It still baffles my mind how Alex flies the way he does. I was on the edge of my seat and ducking through those gates. It is nice to see that digital is getting very close. Looking forward to how it continues.

@nkeney 4 жыл бұрын

Great video. Thank you so much!! It's good to hear from a professional pilot's prospective. I would also love to hear about how pure analog compares to the Bytefrost setup which is suppose to have constant latency and HD like image quality.

@carbonfire1247 4 жыл бұрын

I've had an mmcx pop loose like that and while you can fly, it feels like it stutters. I think it's very likely that's why Vanover thought there was variable latency. I mean, it's very likely he could perceive latency that the rest of us can't. But you should definetly rerun this test with a DJI system there's no questions about!

@paveLsTarK 3 жыл бұрын

13:31 JB's latency XD

@MCsCreations 4 жыл бұрын

Pretty interesting, guys! Thanks a lot! 😃

@timrodriguez1 4 жыл бұрын

Great review, fellas! 🤘🤠

@fpvclub7256 4 жыл бұрын

Nice vid. Once the groove kicks in.. wow...

@HM_HL 4 жыл бұрын

thanks for the helpful video!!

@FlyingBuzzard 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent test and love the honesty ......somewhere in the future Analog/Digital will be ONE. And FUN is , what it is all about

@TonyKorologos 4 жыл бұрын

Been flying DJI HD on 3 different quads for 7 months now. Love it. No latency issues for me, but I'm not a "racer."

@spartan-fpv6936 4 жыл бұрын

Gday RR, nice work you guy's with this test,, watching Alex smashing gates with analog and digital, dam he's fast on analog wow!!! great work RR.👍🛸

@MannYgfx 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, this helped me decide that I'm definitely getting into FPV on a digital system!

@gtifury310 3 жыл бұрын

@ledrib you guys have the best produced music in your videos. Us audiophiles appreciate it!

@MrShutterBug 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your honesty. I fly both and agree with your findings. DJI looks great but variable latency is bad for racing. It feels like the quad is slowing down and speeding up when the latency changes. The variable latency even bothers me in freestyle because I do a lot of fast proximity freestyle where timing is still really important. I use DJI mainly for cruising and taking in the beautiful scenery. Cheers!

@lorentacar 4 жыл бұрын

We are living a fantastic time being able to see those technology evolves. Just FPV is already a blast. When I was a kid being a pilot seemed unreachable. When I start flying, digital was just dream. And now I’d love to fly with it but it’s not reachable for my wallet so I hope in 5 or less year they will be better and cheaper digital system. But also my FPV budget will handle all my desire 😍🤩😍

@SpareSpacesuit Жыл бұрын

"did you guys talk about the variable latency" hahahah that was perfect Joshua

@slkgeothermal 4 жыл бұрын

It was a fair test. Good job. I agree it will only get better, remember the old quad video you did a week ago, it will get better.

@nilsmeinardi 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for making this video not sponsored by DJI! :)

@peterzingler6221 4 жыл бұрын

Funny how you instantly notice the truth coming out lol

@elliothannon2999 4 жыл бұрын

Mashi FPV dji is still a big rotor Riot partner tho

@miklosko3355 4 жыл бұрын

Only reason I gave this video a like!

@platty9237 4 жыл бұрын

You can wear glasses with the dji system. That was a big factor in my purchase decision. One thing that surprised me was that the HD gives me confidence to hit many more gaps and try more tricks than I would have with my eachine box goggles.

@williamcool2411 4 жыл бұрын

Love your videos

@JanisBebritis 4 жыл бұрын

Respect for honest review. This is what we saying, but it's way better than i initially thought though.

@DeanChapmanFPV 4 жыл бұрын

Really good and fair test 👌🏻 this kid is so fast 🚀

@gavnunns 4 жыл бұрын

After flying a DJI system for a few weeks these results agree with what I've seen. The dji system is amazing and for 90% of my flights it will be my go to system. However when I'm doing medium range proximity with bikes and side by sides at 30-70mph I'll be running analog for sure.

@billrubeck7104 4 жыл бұрын

I cannot fly as fast as Alex (very few can) so latency won't be a problem for most of us. Great video... keep it up. Huge fan over here.

@MUNKYFPV 4 жыл бұрын

Good video, I knew variable latency would be the issue when it comes to the consistency top tier race pilots require to shave every fraction of a second on each part of a track but digital does make the viewing experience enjoyable as a spectator. I am seriously considering a digital setup for myself just for the joy of flying freestyle with such an amazing image and the smaller lighter offerings being produced with caddx are making it a lot more attractive for sure.

@WrongWayFPV 4 жыл бұрын

Dammit!!! How the hell is Vanny soo fast!!??? Love watching this dude fly. I'm Just a witness to greatness over here on my couch lmao. Great episode guys. Love it

@DerKrawallkeks 4 жыл бұрын

I always love the Duga Dive music!!:)

@budgetfpv92 4 жыл бұрын

Like the comparison videos and community spot lights at the same time. I would like to see 8 in a race on 1200mw that would be cool to see.

@enrico320i 4 жыл бұрын

Great Episode and absolute truth!! I Love HD FPV too, but even with Freestyle i hate variable Latency… For me also Analog the most time!!

@Monolize 4 жыл бұрын

if we had 120hz on the analogue system, i would stay on that. but for the future, i see digital as a clear winner. let it be for the 120hz alone

@miklosko3355 4 жыл бұрын

If you use the new update on crossfire (crossfire shots) it's 150hz. It's faster than the 120hz.

@Monolize 4 жыл бұрын

@@miklosko3355 what does the refresh rate of the display have to do with the signal used to communicate to the quad?

@bonsaifpv2445 4 жыл бұрын

@@miklosko3355 crsfShot lowers the Overall delay from setpoint to Action, it doesnt have anything to do with any Frequency Change.

@miklosko3355 4 жыл бұрын

@@Monolize kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bJx4rNSnnd3acZc.html watch Steele's video... Latency is important.

@foxtrotfpv8476 4 жыл бұрын

Awesome idea

@KnizzleHizzle 4 жыл бұрын

Good video!

@Silpheedx 4 жыл бұрын

Vanover is pretty much the only person I 100% trust to not let sponsorship sway his opinion. Sorry everyone else, I still love yah ^_^

@oneleft163 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, cool 👍

@Patatakis 4 жыл бұрын

I need to come watch you fly one of these weekends

@bzfpv5311 4 жыл бұрын

Alex Vanover you are a freak of nature! Respect!

@KnightFlyer 4 жыл бұрын

Damn! Vanny is a beast, that course was badass and FPV OASIS IS THE SHIT! Great episode guys!

@DJDevine 4 жыл бұрын

He's as fast as he talks! Cheers you could use the same radio and just the cam and air station

@BombsSquadRecords 4 жыл бұрын

does anyone have an update on the likelyhood of a HDMI out of the DJI fpv stream, even if we have to use the smart remote?

@murphyking79 2 жыл бұрын

Has anything changed with hd since this video. If so, can we have another test?

@jannesbosma9801 4 жыл бұрын

There's quite a few settings that influence the stability of the video stream. With a lower quality video the stream ought to be more stable. Wat settings did you use?

@christopherj3367 4 жыл бұрын

A nice well balanced review, digital and analog both have a place in FPV. Their are many variables in them both, and both are becoming cheaper.

@air-headedaviator1805 4 жыл бұрын

This is fun I love Science Lab with RR. Plus watching a racer, especially Alex is is so memorizing and fun. 8:32 this part was interesting, with how the signal struggles going close to the ground. I imagine something similar happens with analog right? Like with static? Would a raised platform for pilots help out both of these systems in that regard?

@RCwithAdam1 4 жыл бұрын

That was some INTENSE flying, But I think Bardwell's mad TIMER skillz stole the show. 😆

@LivyuFPV 4 жыл бұрын

FINALLY !!!

@pilototodidak Жыл бұрын

Crazy pilot ,,, awesome

@thebutcherfpv5302 4 жыл бұрын

This was a great episode. I think you should do an indoor shoot out version

@fullthrottlefpv5616 4 жыл бұрын

I would have used the same radio for both kwads, and used the air unit just for video

@hansturpyn5455 4 жыл бұрын

The latency of the dji transmiter is sub 4ms. In fastsbus protocol It's the lowest of them all and it is part of the dji hd kit

@DJDEVIL82 4 жыл бұрын

@@hansturpyn5455 I use just the video from DJI. radio is still my taranis qx7 with R9-Module. No DJ-Radio.

@cedricgrandseigne 4 жыл бұрын

I agree, switching radio isn't a good idea.

@air-headedaviator1805 4 жыл бұрын

NEW EXPERIMENT! Though perhaps that was done to avoid high weight discrepancies

@InMyPajams310 4 жыл бұрын

Hans Turpyn not really the latency, but the difference to the pilot. It’s one more variable you can’t really account for.

@furios2203 4 жыл бұрын

absolutely cracked

@jal187 4 жыл бұрын

I just don’t wanna ditch my current radio which I’ve now grown to love and know really well. That’s what has me sitting back waiting mostly. Maybe I’ll just go with the air unit or I may just dive in tho and build a freestyle/fun park flying quad with the DJI system tho eventually. This way I won’t need a GoPro to record some footage to show friends and family.

@SettekFpv 4 жыл бұрын

Alex is a Monster! Insane how fast he is

@Jack__________ 4 жыл бұрын

i learned something today :-)

@someoneonly 4 жыл бұрын

Appreciate the disclaimer at the start by drew

@DroneModBR 3 жыл бұрын

Nice Bro 😁🤘🛸

@licensetodrive9930 4 жыл бұрын

Did anyone else see the new episode of MacGyver over the weekend? It started with some FPV freestyle! First diving a building and across an intersection, and then into a multi-storey parking lot! Sadly only mere seconds of footage, but it's still FPV freestyle!

@jameslaraia 3 жыл бұрын

I love how Drew wasn't mad, he just asks "how'd my quad fly!?"

@kevofpv 4 жыл бұрын

Hey guys, first nice episode. I wanted to ask u guys on how many mw. do u flown with the Dji ? Because I guess the latancy gets better with 1200mw. Thank you, and keep going like this

@s52ft 4 жыл бұрын

One of the best! Bonus points RR.

@fredericjean2370 4 жыл бұрын

Love, love, love OAS!

@bluedeath996 4 жыл бұрын

I think with any level of competition you need a high and consistent frame rate over a perfect image. Whether it is ESport or racing.

@mrzon9344 4 жыл бұрын

I'd like to know what effect the variable latency would have if you were not using the DJI controller. Does the control signal suffer the same latency as the video or is it given a much higher priority? if not then its double latency image lag and then control lag.

@TheHeadShotBoom 4 жыл бұрын

Are there any other HD options to consider? Something better? Something with promise that is slated for release later this year?

@rccosplay3249 4 жыл бұрын

Can the DJI FPV air unit be used for airplane/Fixed wing operations?? It does have 8 channels.

@SmooveFPV 4 жыл бұрын

Shoutout to drew!! Dji FTW improved me as a pilot as well.

@heartofamericafpv5584 4 жыл бұрын

great test! Our analog video systems actually have a variable latency as well. But digital definitely has a higher average latency. Also, I think there could have just been a difference in weight between the 2 builds. Digital will be the future in racing but it's not because of the latency, it's because of the lack of a ground station for judging.