I saw that too! And when Heather M attempted suicide, the pills were yellow. I took that as symbolizing the only way she knew how to take control of her life

@@Emma-ou6jq also could be symbolic of who’s killing who. Veronica is killing Heather, so the liquid is blue. Heather M is attempting to kill herself, so the pills are yellow.

@@ryanjstannard ooooo I like that!

I really loved this symbolism, the film makers really thought out the colour motifs really well. The pills being yellow could also be construed as a sign of being cowardly, since McNamara is trying to take her own life.

​@@Emma-ou6jq yeaaah im not the only one who saw the pill color being yellow 😆

poor thing

Reminds me a little of gretchen from mean girls, even after the plastics go their own ways, she doesn't really find her own sense of self. She immediately goes to the rich asians club and emulates their style. Kind of symbolising how she's used to being a follower and not a leader

That's why a lot of people say she's "Friendly" is not that she is friendly is that she is like a lost puppy without someone to follow, she becomes an empty Shell without someone to guide her so she hangs onto every but of attention someone gives her and doesn't wanna loose it so she is Overly attentive and thus comes off as "Friendly"

It's so sad isn't it?

@@davidkonevky7372 meh more of a karen to me but oki

Green is the only secondary color, but yeah, I agree

not only that but green and red are opposite colors which is pretty ironic due to her similarity

Oooh I never realized that 😮

i’m not the biggest fan of the musical, so it’s easy for me to brush off the whole reprise thing as them not caring as much about characterizing heather duke as they do the rest of the cast. i could go further into how misunderstood she is by musical fans due to how the musical selectively chose to portray her, but while i think of that with disdain, i do like thinking her lack of attention was purposeful and her singing reprises was as well thought out as this. i just slightly doubt it 😅

In the musical, Veronica says this about Heather Duke: "No discernable personality, but her mom paid for implants" Making note of this introduction as well as her colour palette being green, it makes sense. Heather Duke is considerably a 'nobody' in the group.

does that apply to heather chandler though? she does wear a grey blazer with a red skirt in the cafeteria 🤔

@@msk-qp6fn Maybe it's meant to represent their similarities?? After all, Veronica incorporates bits of grey into her black blazer in the same scene. Veronica wears lots of grey naturally, as if showing that the two are naturally alike, but by Heather C wearing grey as a blazer it also shows their differences as she is bossy, commanding and power-hungry, where Veronica is not.

@@dorotaisqueen3650 i guess it makes sense because ultimately veronica is the only one who can truly replace heather chandler as a leader and not be her carbon copy

HA!

Wouldn’t it depend on the croquet mallet?

If my mans lived now he would be a Joker stan

the og society mf

rest in peace JD you would've loved joker 2019 and paul dano's riddler

LOL the most ironic thing that every school in fact is a beta version of a large society wwith beta-hierarchy and thing like that😃

It does make sense, sadly

holy shit this is genius

Love it! Dam this movie has layers

Holy crap

OMG I LOVE THID

I was like "nah" until the croquet omg

I wore a very similar dress to my sister's wedding (unfortunately, without gloves)

@@darthtepes Oooh… I bet it still looked amazing!

@@icedoatmilklatte910 hell yeah😎😎

I played her in the musical and i loved that outfit!

@@yagirl1014 luckkyyyy How did it feel to be slapped by chandler

Exactly! If Veronica started her own clique and her friend dressed better I could see it working.

Also important that she’s bigger too

The fatphobia of that era

Trina Q I see you everywhere hello fellow theatre kid

@@MsDudette21 ma'am your comment is a literal example of fatphobia lol

It also reminds me of the inside of a casket, which is wild because this is right before she dies.

Cooool

Also makes me think of birth (like the birth of Venus) which is probably to parallel her death in this scene

THATS genius omg

Precisely, the 2018 reboot completely missed the point of the original by making the marginalised groups the bullies, which is a decent concept in theory, but was just poorly executed.

@@trinaq not to mention i feel it would be a decent tv show at the type it came out had it been branded as something else. it’s similar to riverdale, which is made fun of now, but was super popular then. had the reboot included differently named characters with the similar premise, they could’ve called it heathers inspired rather than a reboot and i’m sure it wouldn’t of been so hated. i don’t think it’s a good retelling of the story and doesn’t stand in comparison at all. but it would’ve been decent had it been it’s own thing.

@@trinaq ..or maybe it was making a point about people using marginalized communities to be perceived as a victim and to basically get cloud, something that DOES happen IRL. To note that (with spoilers) that MacNamara lied about being a lesbian to be a part of the in crowd (and she immediately gets victim-shamed about something else thus showing how little people actually care about things), Chandler who is "only" plus-size speaks over others and is the biggest example of using real issues to maintain/gain power and fame. It's shown multiple times and it's explicit that they don't represent those communities and are just shitty people. It's even said that despite that, at least they fight for others unlike when Betty briefly takes over the school. The Heather did also have their sympathetic moments, more so than in the movie. Not to mention that the show, very much like the original movie, shows that everyone in it sucks, except Martha. (Wl the movie was also lenient with Betty but she was barely there so you could argue that she just didn't have the screentime to suck. Also also you could argue that she's passive and an enabler into the system so she did kinda suck) Finally, claiming that the Heathers are the villain in the movie and the show is just wrong. They aren't. They never were. Yes they suck, but they're not the antagonists. They aren't the ones going around and murdering others. JD is the antagonist, Veronica is more of an anti-hero, and they both are the main villains. (Using "main" because the school staff+the police/the adults, the college guys, and Kurt and Ram were villains. The adults for not doing shit, the college guys for being predatory assholes, Kurt and Ram for being bullies and serial r*p*sts.) Sure they're bullies, but so are every other character. What was true in the movie also is in the show. And ngl if Daniel Waters, the man himself, praises and likes the show (along with a couple of the original actors in the movie) then I'm more inclined to say that the show did things right. Its biggest problem is that it can be messy at times and there's clearly scenes that were important and cut (RIP Veronica you shall stay a bit too vague to be more clearly interpreted) When you think and analyze the show, it's actually really interesting. And it's more true to the movie than the musical has ever been (RIP depth)

@@trinaq They missed the mark...HARD!

@@trinaq The girl in the series who played Veronica was looked more Heather that Veronica

Wow! I would love to read an essay like that, it must be fascinating!

Same here! If you would be willing to share your essay, I'd love to read it

I absolutely love The Breakfast Club, but I can definitely see Heathers (another one of my favourites) being a response of sorts. I'd also love to see your essay!

I need to read your essay

may i also see this essay

I saw it as Heather Duke purging because she felt pressure to look like Heather Chandler -- she makes it a point to tell several news channels that she and Heather Chandler shared clothes and were the same size. Once Heather Chandler is gone, Heather Duke feels more free to behave as she wants to, finally eating instead of restricting herself.

@@dreamingofmagic Yeah the bulimia thing is never touch on after so this makes more sense

@@dreamingofmagic my opinion is Duke is a perfectionist to an unhealthy degree. She’s bulimic, which is related to having a negative image of one’s body. Also noteworthy that in Veronica’s dream, she tells JD that if Duke were to slit her wrists she’d use a clean knife. Why would Duke care about the knife being clean or dirty, unless it’s something she’s subconsciously trained herself to do?

in the scene, veronica says “careful heather you might actually be digesting food there” (sarcastically) and heather duke says “screw it” so no it was not a continuation of her ED it was def her letting go of the influence of heather chandler.

I agree with OP, but also with all these subsequent comments. Great work everyone

The musical was at fault for the Sayori heather

@@bamshablam5977 I despise how fans of the musical idolize Heather McNamara. She did worse stuff there than in the movie!

@@Loopimay Exactly. I love the musical but the fact that they made Heather M as a "cinnamon role" when she literally sacrificed and refused to help Veronica during the date r*pe there (also just realized it's the opposite in the movie)

@@SM-ky6pbthey did Heather McNamara SO wrong in the musical and butchered her character(but to be fair, the musical butchered everyone. Especially Martha)

@@SM-ky6pb And she also slut-shamed Veronica along with the rest of the school. She was no innocent angel, she was just as much of a malicious bitch as the others, just quieter and softer about it!

I like that theory as well, it also coincides with the fact that orange cancels out one of the primary colors had she worn orange she would’ve been kicked out

@@elfenlied_girl1238 But green isn't a primary color.

holy shit you're right i forgot about that-

that actually makes this so much more sad :(

HUHHHHHHH??? (Musical person speaking)

aren't all the heathers and veronica juniors?

​@@wonktnodNo, it's stated in the movie that Heather is younger. I'm pretty sure Veronica and the other Heathers are Seniors.

Chandler

Kim Walker.

that's fucked and life really sucks us dry

Because they're the It Girls, they can do what they want! 💅🏿

Exactly! Heather Duke was abused, mocked, and manipulated by others. She wasn't always evil, she was turned that way out of spite. I see her as a metaphor for mental health and bullying: when everyone around you treats you like garbage, you just might treat them the same way if given the chance. A main theme of Heathers is how power corrupts. You see it in Veronica, you see it in JD, and you see it in Heather Duke.

True, imagine all the anger and resentment she had in her from all the abuse and mistreatment she endured. Once she gets the power, she wants to take it out on others. I guess she also bullied H. McNamara because she resented her for always being more favored by H. Chandler.

Honestly the way I see it, she’s not really that much different from McNamara. It’s just that their methods are different. Both of them just want to be appreciated. Duke recognizes that being the queen bee commands a high level of respect from her peers, so that’s exactly what she does. She gains approval from the students, even changing her outfit to fit in with them so they’ll be more receptive to her. It’s also kind of interesting that Duke, despite her rise to power as the queen bee, doesn’t really antagonize Veronica that much. In fact she seems to be doing the opposite. Her reaction to getting the scrunchie isn’t to say “haha look Veronica I’m your new queen bee”. She covers her eyes and cheerfully says ‘guess who!’ Before gleefully revealing it. The expression she had in that scene made me think she genuinely wants to impress Veronica. The only time she did become somewhat hostile was when Veronica reacted to her new outfit not with approval, but with disappointment. Plus her bullying McNamara is cruel no doubt, but it doesn’t help that McNamara was a bystander in Chandler’s taunting. When they’re in the bathroom after lunch, Chandler mocks her bulimia while McNamara says ‘ugh gross’. Contrast this with Veronica coming into the stall to help her and encouraging her to see a doctor for her condition. Duke actually seems to hold Veronica in pretty high regard and probably considers her an actual friend rather than a foe. Her ‘you look like hell’ wasn’t scornful. It sounded more concerned. Honestly I think there’s a lot of layers to Duke’s character and it’s interesting to see how it plays out

I like to think that Heather Duke will change too. Heather D was clearly just trying to establish some control in her life after Heather Chandler took it away from her, and she, like Veronica, would've realized they were more than the pressure they had put on them. Before Heather Chandler's suicide, I genuinely feel like Heather Duke was the nicest of the Heathers based on her interactions with Veronica

i interpret it a little differently, i think the touches of red are signifying her attempting to take back some power/control via suicide (hence the dominance of black)

Yeah that and the blatant homophobia in the next scene make the movie really hard to watch to a modern eye. I feel like the musical does a better job of showing all this really fucked up content while still maintaining a firmly tongue in cheek tone through the whole thing. I know that showing the assault in all its horror was meant to be a counterpoint to a lot of other depictions of the time that portrayed date rape as harmless hijinx or whatever but it's still a really jarring viewing experience.

@@puppppppies Eh. I didnt like that the musical tried to make the jocks more sympathetic and funny when they were supposed to be more crude, if anything I think the musical is a flanderized version of what the movie actually was which tbh aint good.

@@puppppppies not at all. first of all the musical romanticized the shit out of JD and his relationship with Veronica. they completely changed Veronica's character into your everyday relatable protagonist when in the movie she's fucked up like the others. the musical doesn't even have any scenes of sa. at most it has commentary on the sad part of highschool bullying:( but not really morally impactful message anywhere. I'd say it's just a lot more light hearted than the movie and focuses on friendship rather than power struggle

@@deprimeplatypus490 I agree with your criticisms, but saying the musical "doesn't even have scenes of SA" isn't exactly true-the "Blue"/"You're Welcome" scene is very much treated textually as Kurt and Ram attempted to SA Veronica, and (atleast in Blue, I'm unsure if they're omitted from the scene entirely in productions where You're Welcome is implemented) Mcnamara and Duke letting it happen. Doesn't make the musical any better though, and I personally dislike how the scene is handled there anyway.

@@puppppppies in my opinion, it’s also an indication that JD is not the hero he presents himself as. Yes he murders the bullies, but he does so by invoking problematic cultural trends in order to shame them, rather than call them out as the homophobic, sexist assholes they were. It’s also particularly fitting that JD saw, in full view, Heather M getting SA’d. Yet he didn’t do anything and led Veronica away, symbolic of how he’s encouraging her to turn her back on people who actually need help.

Wait what, where's your proof of that???

@@imthebossmermaid3648 "The original ending was that J.D. blew up the high school and they all died, then there was a prom scene in heaven. [New World execs] just said, "No way. We can't make a satirical movie about teenage suicide in which the people actually kill themselves."" - Michael Lehmann, director of Heathers, Entertainment Weekly's "Heathers: An oral history" But to be fair, that wasn't the only ending they thought about using before the final film. "The ending I should've fought harder for is where Martha Dumptruck pulls out a knife, stabs Veronica, and says, "F- you, Heather." And Veronica's on the ground laughing, with a knife in her stomach, saying, "My name's not Heather. My name's not Heather."" - Daniel Waters, writer of Heathers, same article

@@cherriegetison6093 Yikes.

Just like mean girls

True. Also, Heather Duke had a reddish shade to her hair. Idk if that's just a coincidence, but maybe that could mean something.

@@walqqr1 it might be a coincidence, since the actress also played Cherry Valance from the outsiders, and she’s red too.

Fr samee. It's one of the few channels where I watch every video no matter what the topic is

Likewise, it's my favourite movie and TV fashion analysis channel. There's always learn something interesting from it.

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Samee I love this yet channel soo much

Weren't the Ashleys you were talking about featured in the tv show Recess? I know in that one, one of them gets kicked out of the group and they try to let another girl who has the same name as them join them.

@@marikkelaszlo3355 Not sure, the one I read was a series by Melissa de la Cruz...might be connected

@@marikkelaszlo3355 no, it’s about private school girls from San Francisco and a middle class girl catapulted into their world because her parents became fabulously wealthy around the time she started junior high.

@@marikkelaszlo3355 it has no connection to Recess

An 80's silhouettes with a boho look, huh? Sounds to me like Lisa Bonet's style, via her sitcom days, might be just the inspiration you're looking for. :)

She’s stunning, I like her in the white hat

heather c: blossom heather d: buttercup heather m: bubbles??? veronica: professor utonium????

@@msk-qp6fn wtf

You can always forget your name but you can always call Heathers by their color and always knowing Veronica is always blue lol... she feeling blue all the time throughout the movie. Her teen angst with a body count xD

@@msk-qp6fn wouldnt bubbles be blue lol, princess more bucks was yellow

@@msk-qp6fn lmaooo

It’s also, in my opinion, a political narrative about power and authoritarian systems. A hostile political system can’t be solved by putting the dictator out of commission. The forces that allowed the dictator to stay in power remain. And as long as they exist, another dictator will just step in to take the empty place.

Veronica is anything but loyal

​@@359339 i say yes and no to that.

heather c is powerful and masculine, if anything

Duke was bullied, her taking up Chandler's place to protect herself doesn't make her evil. She isn't even really jealous, just really insecure. MacNamara isn't genuinely insecure, just a follower and aloof. The only moment she wasn't confident was when people around her were dying which... Yeah it will do that to someone. Her actions after the phonecall were also heavily influenced by the fact that she does what's popular, even suicide and that she wasn't used to being laughed at (which she did to Duke) Veronica isn't that loyal. Confident could describe all the Heathers except Duke. Veronica has shaky morals and mostly cares about herself. She's a terrible person and friend up until the end of the movie that shows that she's going to be better/good (something that wasn't planned since she was supposed to show that she indeed was like JD in most endings) Feminine isn't what I'd call Chandler. Her cafeteria outfit has her in shorts and big blazer which you could call masculine? We don't see her enough to make a point of it. She's more a master when it comes to social interactions and using opportunities. She knows the game and exploits it for her benefit. And that's why we don't get to see her actual self a lot

i think these characters are too complicated and messy to describe in two adjectives

All of them suck except Martha, why are we defending ANY of these girls?

Typical double standards

its such a serve

There are SO MANY in that movie! I don’t think she’d be able to get through them all tbh 🤣

@@marquisehebbler9471 honestly!!!! The costume designer did such an amazing job!

@@marquisehebbler9471 every single thing that joy wears is campy and fun. i loved it.

@@ariyatabassumabdullah1143 the teddy bear jacket will always be my favorite

@@marquisehebbler9471 honestly I’m obsessed with the E-girl blush

Same plus green is my fave color 🌱 such a shame it has such negative connotations on TV

I always thought it was just horrible awkward sex because he was so drunk. I guess it's a bit ambiguous, and the perception of what is and isn't rape was a lot different back then.

It is, though.

This is such a great ask, I hope she fulfills your request bc I would love to see this, too. The way the color scale of the film changes and the poster in the background with Nikki Reed's eyes, just so much attention to detail, a fashion analysis would be chef's kiss

There used to be an “all outfits in“-video of Thirteen on this channel. Probably got taken down for copyright reasons like most other videos like that. (Still sad about that) So given that it was on Tessa's radar once, we might get lucky with an analysis. I'd be for it too because that movie messed me up in a good way. Edit: It is still on here. The video is called “All of Tracy & Evie's outfits in Thirteen“.

I would love that!

Rian phin has a great video on this very topic!

@@inessantos5482 oh thanks I’ll look at it 🤍

Thats a good point, and its interesting that it is associated with mourning

That's also what the columbine school shooters wore (JD seems like he could be one honestly)

@@marikkelaszlo3355 fr though

actually green is red's opposite/complementary color

@@msk-qp6fn ohh I didn't know that thanks

I like to it's because navy blue and black don't mix (Of course w/ the right shades and stying they can but you get my point.)

well she is still generally more mellow

@@msk-qp6fn like marshmallow

@@cheesequeenlordofallcheese 😂

@@msk-qp6fn One might say, mellow yellow?

You should! It's a good movie

I realized that when I first saw the movie Heathers! Kudos on the creators of the show