This scene alone makes me bewildered how anybody could say this show is boring. Just say you want effortless characters, pointless action sequences and random references thrown in.

I love how Saw rages about 'Sectorists, Human Cultists and Galaxy Partitionists!' it really shows the diversity behind the rebel alliance and why they collapsed so quickly after winning. They didn't have clarity of vision as a whole.

Two amazing actors + great script = fantastic scene.

"We need the Empire to help! We need them angry. We need them coming down hard." - you see Saw turn his head ... that's the moment he realized who was behind Aldani. And that's when he really needed to know ... "What are YOU, Luthen?"

Saw's speech must've been the most stressful thing ever for the Wookipedia writers lmaoooo

I needed this scene. Explains so well the fragilness of the upcoming Rebel Alliance. They all hated the Empire, but had different ideologies. Something Rebels couldn't even do..

The dialogue in this scene is spectacular. It reveals several facets of the characters, where they stand within themselves and with each other. Absolutely fascinating. Big props to the writing here.

i love how both of their faces are half in shade and half in light. it really emphasizes their personalities: they're both fighting for the light side, but in doing so they have to dwell in the shadows, doing dark things.

Lol I love how Whitaker is just going hard as fuck in this scene. The acting and the dialog are insane

It's telling that Luthen is trying to convince Saw to work alongside a Separatist (the group who Saw was fighting before even the Empire came to power and who killed his sister)

Having spent a good portion of my years among various activist groups, that line about anarchy really rang true for me. In any movement, you will always have the "all government is bad, smash the state is the only way" folks, and while I don't agree with their perspective, they absolutely have a clarity of purpose that many other lack. Just fantastic, insightful writing.

Every time Saw shows up on a different Star Wars project I love him a bit more

That ending set of shots where we see Saw start getting angry enough to yell or smack Luthen, then pause and sit back and laugh. Like, you can see through the facial expression Saw's thinking "Why you little...wait, you're the one who's desperate!"

I think Forest Whitaker is actually better here than he was in Rogue One.

“I am the only one, with clarity of purpose.” Saw saying that with a smile on his face makes me want to see more of the other political parties and how they all seem the same way

2:40 when Saw begins his 'rant'--you can already see he's stepping aboard the 'Crazy Train' that he is riding full on in Rogue One.

Forest Whitaker has owned this character from the start and then combined with Stellan Skarsgard as Luthen you are watching two absolute power-house actors at the top of their craft, combined with great dialogue, great story and writing... SUPERB! Any scene with these guys is pure gold.

Luthen's connections with Saw and Mothma show he is the intermediary of how Rebels should fight the Empire (Radical Rebellion and Moral Rebellion).

“nothing with you is free” ahhh i just love the way the conversation goes from jovial to serious in a instant. Two no nonsense men getting to the point. The characterization in this show is immaculate. Chef’s kiss.

Saw’s got a fire in him, don’t he? Forest Whitaker is a top class actor.

"I am the only one with clarity of purpose." shakespearean prose.

I would rather have ten solid minutes of this scene playing out than ten hours of the best scenes from the prequels or ten hours of the...well, whatever the sequels had, for better or for worse...This is my favorite scene in Star Wars, period.

I’m really hoping for more dialogue like this I want to know more about the different galactic political groups

He actually seems frightening... like this guy is someone *without limit* for the cause. Everytime my patience falters this show delivers a scene like this every time.

I do genuinely love how this show accurately shows how leftists spend as much time infighting as they do fighting fascism

it's interesting to know that there were these diverse factions other than Separatists like Neo-Republicans, Ghorman Front, Partisan Alliance, Sectorists, Human Cultists, Galaxy Partitionists in Star Wars universe. Other than Separatists, I never heard of any of these factions, but I assume it doesn't matter because the Galactic Empire apparently destroyed all of them.

It’s nice to see that we have an empire that terrifies an entire galaxy and a divided and incapable rebellion. Before the battle of Yavin 4. Also, I’m glad to see that Sew Gerrera and his followers are the anarchist fighters of Star Wars.

Everyone's so distracted by the good dialogue and acting that we're overlooking that apparently, oxen are a thing in the Star Wars universe.

The flash of rage at 3:53 is terrific. Luthen hit a nerve and it shows. This is great acting and the silence as Saw has to compose himself is thick. Only to smile at the end, a attempt to hide just how angry he got. He likely rebuffs Luthen's offer because of this jab, but he ultimately realized that Luthen is correct which prompts their next interaction. I love this show and can't wait for season 2.

Old palp is brilliant on these thing Clone wars not only gather him enough power and support to change the system,also create scar in galactic society that keep those who against him divide

I really enjoy veteran actor’s in a position to continue honing their talent at their craft !

Really loved this scene. It's weird timing that I've been learning about real life revolutions and this show started airing. Makes me want to overthrow a government just for the fun of it

How the soft, metallic strike of the soundtrack is in sync with Saw’s eye blink and denotes his realisation that he does not really know Luthen. Sheer genius filmmaking. This show is next level.

The did the slow burn method with this show. Lots of character development. Which is smart, and makes the whole story a lot more meaningful.

Its a great time to be a star wars fan we got Andor and Tales Of The Jedi. The Force is with us😁

Man...Saw is such a character. I think of all the characters on Star Wars he might be the absolute most complex. True Believer, Freedom Fighter, Terrorist, Mad Obsessive, Scared Young Man, Torturer...Saw does so much and just by existing he shows off the depth of the Galaxy as a whole

I believe there’s a lot more to Luthen’s “coward” statement, which will be revealed as we learn more about his origins in S2

Great scene! Much to unpack in the dialogue

The Partisans and or Cloud Riders need their own show

I feel like Saw Garrera was born a few millennia too late. Real son of Onderon. In the time of the Old Republic he’d have it _made_ as a Beastrider warlord. But here and now? The Empire is the kind of enemy that’s just too big for him to adapt to.

Now THIS is -podracing- storytelling!

Fantastic acting, you can really feel what they are conveying

A masterful scene, I love this scene

Love this show. Such a fascinating interplay and it's so strange watching Saw Guerrera as the "useful sociopath" that all the other Rebels have to deal with/handle/strategize around.

What he meant to say was he’s not willing to put his men at risk for someone else’s agenda.

Say one thing about Saw Gerrera He is a man who holds TRUE to his convictions

I adore this channel just as I adore this series.

Every single scene with Skarsgard and Whitaker is a delight to watch - two of the best actors alive today at the top of their game!

The writing in this show is AMAZING!

This is one of the best scenes in Andor with Luthen and Sawl, I love how Forrest plays his role, I do wish to see more of Sawl.

based just on this scene luthen is an accelerationist

They really both shine as actor’s & great at character building, great scene

This show saved Star Wars for me. Made it real and relatable. Made the OT and PT more powerful. And I was the least excited about it

Rewatching andor 6 months later and it just gets even better, especially after the disaster of mando s3

Saw has been a favorite since the Clone Wars, such a fringe character driven by anger and revenge. Whitaker is awesome for this role and when he jumped on that AT-AT in Fallen Order I shed a tear.

Man I kinda wanna see a Saw series or I hope Andor shows more of him. A Anarchist, that commits warcrimes just sounds amazing in the starwars universe.

There certainly are successful movements relying at least in part on anarchist thought, Rojava and the Zapatistas immediately come to mind, but yes unfortunately being defined by what you are against without planning for what you will do once the dust settles is a common error in activist spaces, and many self-described anarchists who are more Pistols than Proudhon only get in the way of real change. Within Andor for example, something I found fascinating is how “clarity of thought” is a “strength”of both Saw and the Empire. Self-righteous pariahs unable to understand the greyness of politics are doomed to whittle their time away until they die alone or lose the spirit of resistance.

This show was a hidden masterpiece

this and the debate scene from rogue one show how drastically different some of the rebel alliance groups are in the galaxy. They’re all fighting for the same cause but all have their own ideas and ideologies which makes it so much more complex.

“You come all this way to scold me!” 😅😅😅😅😂😂😂 brilliant

This scene and the one with Luthen's speech has ranked Andor on my nr. 1 show in the Star Wars universe.

I hope they make more like this.

Both actors have had amazing scenes over their time in show business, but this is a prime example where they bring out something extra when confronted by similar greatness of craft. Whitaker is killing this role, and sharing scenes with Stelan can only make it better.

Love how Important Saw has become since Clone Wars I mean the guy is in everything. 1. Clone Wars 2. Bad Batch 3. Fallen Order 4. Rebels 5. Andor 6. Rogue one

Awesome scene indeed.

One of my friends is an anarchist and absolutely loves this show and it's interesting getting their perspective

When the order that is forced on you is chocking, cruel and uncompromising...anarchy does sound like a good solution...

The fact what when saw starts ranting he blinks in time with the impacts of the music...you cant convince me that wasnt on purpose...

Gotta wonder how bad the 'human cultists' that Saw talks about, that they're fighting the Empire and not joining it.

Revisiting these wonderful scenes from 2022. After seeing the dog 💩 of Mando season 3 the writing and acting of Andor was absolutely splendid.

Every morning Saw wakes up hoping someone will rally all the factions together and take the fight to the Empire and every night he goes to sleep disappointed.

The continuity!

you really need to figure out the volume balance between the clips (too low), and your intro/voice (too loud)

We’re not the judean people’s front! We’re the people’s front of Judea!

Anarchy is kinda based

Great acting & damn forest Whitaker looks younger than he did In rouge one

Wookiepedia editors hearing Saw mention galaxy partitionists, sectorists, and human cultists: “For the greater good.”

I hate Disney Star wars, but Andor made me almost believe again. I don't care about anything from Disney Star Wars, but am greatly anticipating Andor season 2

It’s great exposition that isn’t exposition, because it’s delivered so hardcore

Dialogue and acting of the finest level in the star wars universe

Thank god andor did well as it did. Star Wars needed a show like this

God I loved this show!

Would love to see more of Saw; Forest Whittker is a great actor.

We need a live action show with Saw as the lead character

The names of all the different factions could be swapped out for the different religions in the world and his speech would still make sense...'all of them lost"

Breaking Bad level writing.

I think Luthen was once a wealthy coward but a Jedi inspired him to be something more. However, when Order 66 came, and the Jedi died, Luthen wants to save the Republic the Jedi who inspired him died for.

It is the centra dilemma of politics. To gain enough support to win, it becomes necessary to dilute your ideas until they are compromised. That’s why everyone hates politics. Those that win power are hypocrites, and those that are true to their principles always lose.

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That wasn't an upfront straightforward answer, that was a deflection to move things back onto ground where he could make his point. Discussion of what his true beliefs are about what the galaxy should look like after the empire falls is clearly in Saul's territory and he wants to focus on simply getting there first. But his strangely long pause and shifty expression for a moment reveals the truth - his own true beliefs are quite relevant and not at all the mere compromise for pragmatic victories now gospel he is preaching for the moment.

so, that's definitely the time grappler banging away on the soundtrack, right?

Damn why did you cut this off?

I related to this a lot. I'm an actual anarchist mix of anarcho-syndicalist and synthesis anarchist. And people always say anarchists should just work with other communists, socialists, Marxists, Marxist leninists, maoists or whatever and we are all like no. I get that they don't like capitalism just like we don't but they want to install a authoritarian state. I don't want the us to become china or stalinist Russia so why would I ever want to work with them. They historically have killed anarchists after they win. The red army worked with the black army to fight the white army. Once the white army had been defeated they betrayed and murdered the black army in Russia. They did the same I Spain and China. They would here as well. So who you fight with and why you fight matters a lot!

All I could think about was how right Saw Gerrera was from the very start when he literally warned about the future, many Rebel leaders aspired for, rebuilding the same old republic system. I mean, how else did The First Order rise in the first place?

Luthen's just slapping Saw with a reality he's not willing to accept, yet. The fight against the Empire is way bigger than his own ways. Had the Death Star gone operational without any organized opposition, then that would've been the end of freedom, forever. Get rid of the Empire first, whatever follows should be way less severe.

Saw's right, though-most of those groups rebelling against the Empire don't know what they're doing. It feels like if the Empire disappeared tomorrow, groups like the Ghorman Front, the Partisan Alliance, the Separatists, New Republicans, Human Cultists, Galaxy Partitionists, and Saw's anarchists would all be at each other's throats. The New Republicans obviously won at the end, though.

I don't know that Saw is really an advocate for anarchy so much as a guy, like Luthen, who can't be distracted by what comes after the Empire when he's fighting for survival in the present. One can argue that Saw's paranoid and uncooperative, or simply that his idea of "cooperation" isn't to be manipulated the way Luthen does with Krieger. Luthen plays other Rebel factions like pieces on a board, expendable if necessary, the ends justifying the means - and to play Luthen's game is to agree with Luthen's rules, whatever they happen to be at any given moment. In trying to involve Saw in Krieger's operation, isn't Luthen just trying to sacrifice two pieces in the same move to facilitate another move somewhere else? The word "anarchist" gets bandied around here, whether it's accurate or not, because it serves Luthen's purposes to use it - but Luthen will say or do anything to achieve his ends. Luthen calling anyone anything doesn't even vaguely make it so. Everyone "working together" to defeat the Empire here means only fighting the Empire in ways, and at times, of Luthen's choosing.

Who would win? Saul Guerrera Vs Saw Goodman

Anarchy is seductive because it offers the individual more power. The individual is all that matters. The individual can do what they want, when they want, to who they want without consequence. And when the resulting chaos becomes obvious and anarchy is rejected anarchists rebrand their beliefs as libertarianism and start the cycle over.

Saw is the best character in the history of Star Wars. A man who wants to break the state without breaking his dignity. Surrounded by racists and authoritarian extremists whose only beef with the Empire isn't control but who has it... feeling alone but resolute. My kind of hero. It's so relatable to anyone who has spent time in anti-establishment social media circles. Hate and distrust of the state spans many, many incompatible ideologies. Faced with an enemy as powerful as a "Galactic Empire," who would you be willing to fight alongside? Where is your line?