your comment is just like those made by 50 cent army wumao. 1. It is long, too long for anyone to read. 2. It is full baseless lies...even the title of geshe kelsang gyatsho. Which monastery granted that title? 3. Kadampa is institued by an Indian scholar Atisha hundreds of year before dolgyal 4. Je tshongkhapa was non sectarian and wrote many praise to holy teachers of other sects. He didnt not make any reference to thing called dolgyal 5. Dont misuse the good name of Kadampa. 6. You cannot create a new kadampa, it doest work like that. There is no precedence like that. You have to follow the old lineage 7. Please I beg you, dont mislead the innocent people trying to follow the path of Buddha. (none of the sutras and shastras, running into hundreds of volunes mentions dolgyal)

. . . that's a longwinded distraction from the observed facts of NKT corruption and abuse of vulnerable people . . .

A Creepy Cult run by a conman freak, that looks like dracula. I'm not surprised that which ever center I went, people were waking up screaming in the middle of the night. Keep well away from this lunatics NKT Geshela & Shugden they worship Cult.

no one can be fooled into ordination. She obviously just didn't think things through and rushed into a life changing commitment. Similar to rushing into marriage.

@@Stinkyremy No I did think things through I was just tricked

@@andreaballance How long were you ordained for?

If u can't get don't go. Is not for weak. Woaman usually play of pity... I hate that....stupid

I vê known kadampa for a long time and I think the problem is that your ego was expecting to be spoiled. Been a nun is a lonely path. Plus font mention serious accusations if you can't prove.

This message is cruel. When someone has been traumatised by a 'Buddhist' organisation it is cruel to force Buddhism on them. There are no perfect organisations but most have safeguarding policies and procedures, and don't allow alleged sexual abusers to keep senior positions. The NKT magagement also attack survivors viciously - death threats even. They practice 'Fair Game'. Bullying someone who decides to leave is suggesting they are inadequate and allowing the organisation to become more sociopathic

Isn't the Sangha supposed to look after each other, particularly the most vulnerable?

@christo-dIj3pIibd been going for over 25 years.

​@@aundraeblackwell2949 Are you still Trolling the NKT SURVIVORS.

Watch: 'An Unholy Row' BBC Documentary, about the NKT Cult.

Yes you are correct the NKT Cult specifically deliberately target nieve and vulnerable people.

Watch: 'An Unholy Row' BBC Documentary, about this NKT Cult.

@@polly-eIjn2iuIx where do I watch that

Thank you Sonam Gyurmey

GGyatso seems happy to tell other people that he is there teacher... but you wouldn't actually know what he thinks because I bet you have never met him. I have. More than once.

You preach love, patience and acceptance but heavily criticize the Dalai Lama for reasons that don't even make sense. This is a huge contradiction to your teaching. My suspicion is because the Dalai Lama represents the old Tibetan tradition of buddhism your guru used to follow but because he has now created his own Buddhist religion and has ordained himself as the one and only spiritual teacher, he sees the Dalai Lama as a threat.

This is a spiritually abusive, victim blaming message.

setsebbat

*Search; Dr Michelle Haslam's Psychological Report On The NKT.*

As I said before Mr ButtHead, I don't for a minute imagine I can make fanatical cult devotees change their minds :-) You go ahead, believe whatever you like - I just laugh at you with your falseness and phony Yogihood. LOL - that picture of you on FB "meditating" under a tree, trying to sit all serenely in half-lotus posture is funny - with one of your knees almost up in your armpit you look hilariously awkward as you try to look so holy. I'm sure having been apostate once to the religion of your birth and culture, turning your back on your new adopted religion would be too difficult and painful to contemplate for you. So when I stop laughing at you, I actually do feel rather sorry for you.

Is that the best you can manage by way of retort? To make false and libellous accusations against me? I've taken a screenshot. If you're going to libel me with accusations of being a racist with far-right opinions you had better have your proof ready.

As you well know Mohammed Butt, it's not me doing the hating - it's the NKT. I am here to rebutt the hatred and lies peddled by the NKT about the Dalai Lama and to reveal the NKT for the nasty little cult that it is, peddling phony spirituality and lies about one of the greatest living spiritual masters of this world.

Thanks for revealing how pathetically weak your stance and arguments are that you have to resort to making false allegations against me of being racist/xenophobic/far right in my views. This truly is the tactic of the psychopath. When a psychopath feels like he's losing the argument he will resort to playing the victim card and wildly fling any mud he can concoct at his target to discredit them and divert the argument that he is losing. You are a pathetic loser and utterly false Buddhist.

Dear reader, I refer you to Cult Characteristic Number 10: "Personal attacks on critics. Anyone who criticizes the Guru, the cult or its dogma is attacked on a personal level. Rather than honestly and intelligently debating with critics, using facts and logic, the cult will resort to low personal attacks on the critic, using name-calling, slander, condescending put-downs, libelous accusations, personal slurs, accusations of bad motives, and casting aspersions on the critic's intelligence and sanity" Please take a look at the other 99 characteristics of a cult and you will see that the NKT and its devotees score very highly indeed: www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q0.html#cq_personal_attacks

I've read it - how on earth did she did a PhD?

@@sebrina-jIku4iIm Don't patronise me. I could rip her silly report apart on the first reading not because I necessarily disagree with some of it but because it is a very poor piece of work.

​​​@@007EnglishAcademy The nkt Cult already tried that and it didn't work. Research into this nkt Cult founded in 1991 by this expelled monk, fraud and conman fake geshe, kelsang gyatso.

*Please Watch: 'An Unholy Row' BBC Documentary, about this NKT Cult leader, and the NKT Cult.*

@pepe-kjIw8qIf What for? People come into the NKT with problems - mental/emotional/psychological - they fail to transform these problems so they leave with the same issues and then club together in tiny groups and blame anyone but themselves.

Absolutely agreed

People BE WARNED, please keep WELL AWAY from this Nkt CULT.

@@kimgfjb732K84L People Be Warned…the NKT could transform your life for the better!

*Search; "Dr Michelle Haslam's Psychological Report On The New Kadampa Tradition"*

How do you know what 'Gesh-la' meant when he said he wasn't Andreas teacher? You are spiritually abusing and gaslighting her with your message

…because it was obvious!

RUBBISH, I think you need to change your GP.

…completely agree with you…the NKT has changed my life for the better…been practicing for years and NEVER have I seen anything that these angry ex members describe…

There's not a lot of alternatives out there to NKT - NKT expansion means they're often the only Buddhist presence in towns

@Pepe-yiIz3qjv search where?

​@@DisobedientSpaceWhale I just Google it.

This New KT all it's members are mainly western people. There are no Tibetan people in it, not one. There are ( Dolgyal ) shugden worshipers in India but they don't belong to the New KT. Dont worship this Fraud kelsang gyatso, geshela & evil shugden it's an IDOIDOLATRY WORSHIP CULT. Reuters News stated the NKT were protesting the Dalai Lama and NKT were having links with the Chinese, CCP to try and bring down the 14th Dalai Lama, it didn't work. Please Search Information, Reuters News, "China co-opts a Buddhist sect in global effort to smear Dalai Lama" Then Search: "The Ugly Side of the New Kadampa Tradition". Keep Away From This New RECRUITMENT CULT. Don't Be Deceived.

​People Do your Research & Homework properly. This NKT is a RED FLAG Cult at the TOP of the Cult Watch, DANGER lists. Search. 'NKT Cult'.

+Andrea Ballance Didn't mean to cause you distress, did want to expose the anti Shugden anti nkt nastiness that is and has been going on for some while. So apologies to you .

+Timmi Wally thanks for recognising how out of order you were. There can never be any peace in this situation while you think attacking survivors is an ok thing to do.

+andrea ballance Once again, the initial comment I made regarding spiritual guide was perhaps a little harsh, rather it was a 'red herring' comment employed to get you folk to open up and further the peace process discussion that typically gets deleted or edited out in the 'survivors' and anti shugden / nkt FB groups . Apparently none of you want to see peace . Sorry about that.

Ok. I know you mean well. I get you are trying to be kind. But you just need to open up conversations with out trying to hurt people. Maybe you just see us as part of your crusade. I know you referred to this video as an advert. You can't cause peace with nasty comments. Thanks for trying to resolve this situation. I see that your intention through your eyes is noble ans admirable. Thanks again for seeing that you were unkind. It goes a long way to softening the shock of your peace tactics. I am sorry my tread doesn't seem to be as fulfilling as you were hoping. I am sure as time goes on people will open up. Maybe people just need a different approach. This is the last time I am going to reply to you. If you do actually care about your effect on me you will respect that I don't want this to carry on. Be happy Timmi.

+andrea ballance Thanks for saying, Andrea. all best.

Thankyou for saying, Andrea. No offense intended. hope you manage to let go of your religion related issues soon. As you may be becoming aware, The various NKT 'survivors groups' are little more than a propaganda distribution front for a small party of Pro-DL / anti-china activists, who completely refuse to openly discuss the issues , are strictly bound to group think, and as such make sure to delete any attempt at rational dialogue or solution. They would rather perpetuate ill will; They are like the Westboro baptist church of buddhism

No they are not.

Oh yes they are.

I am a survivor and I know directly with experience that you are wrong. I can see you have found this video challenging. Attacking survivors is a cruel thing to do and I pity you. You are making horrible karma. Timmy Wally casting false accusations around is a very naughty and selfish thing to do. I hope you have someone at home who loves you and never leaves you in the state this cult leaves it victims. You might want to reconsider what you are lying about here but I doubt it. So, Mr Wally you should know.... you can say what you like but you will not silence us because we have already been silenced. Accuse us of stuff that is not true and we will still act with in our truth because we have already lost ourselves and found ourselves again. Be as nasty and angry with us for not agreeing with you and for rocking your faith but we can not change our stories because they are true. You might want to think about why we have chosen the term survivor.

I'm not lying about anything. i speak from the heart and personal experience. Have been on the 'nktsurvivor' group for around ten years . It is the outright bitterness of some members in particular and the overarching failure by those 'in charge' to allow rational conversation that most clearly showed to me the fakery of the premise being touted.

all teaching becone cultish? ...and You prefer non-duality. Dont you know that non-duality is a teaching?

+yogalinda cool story , bro

+yogalinda if you are going to start on Jesus and Santa, Well, i'm off.

I don't think you actually believe in Shugden at all. I know you. You're just playing games to be provocative to the NKT "Survivors". That or you're on the way to a nervous breakdown and total insanity - it's particularly dangerous to mix up shugden practice with your psychedelic activities. Please be more careful - you are treading on dangerous territory all round. I am actually concerned about you - despite how much you irritate me.

+yogalinda thank you for your concern, however it is unwarranted.

+yogalinda I invite you to keep your speculations about my personal life to yourself and furthermore to learn to comport yourself properwise on the internet, & to, in future, respect the choice of spiritual path and the overall dignity of others. thanks.

You also have to be careful not to pull things out of their original context too fast. It needs to adapt, but the adaptation must be organic. American culture can destroy things quickly.

I always rejoice when an NKT member replies to these videos and ignores the pain in favour of some rote learning or an outward twisting of the truth. You guys can't help but prove our stories with your responses. Have a lovely day and whenjoy the NKT spit's you out you should check out new kadampa survivors. We will be there for you.

Really well said. Understandably some may be triggered by this video, but as you say there is support out there. I hope those who over-invested in the NKT will one day leave. The passive-aggressive approach used by some of their members here is indicative of the stress they are under.

Michael Mauncele She's not unstable in the slightest, she genuinely hurt, but you're blind to this, too puffed up with pride and self importance, this comes straight from your ego, but this is far to subtle for your petty little mind to perceive , you and the others that do nothing but berate, ridicule and condemn her, prefer to derive pleasure from undermining her, and tearing her to pieces with nasty slurs, insults and underhand personal attacks, this is enough to inform me to stay well away from this NKT, and the small minded, gullible spoon-fed fools, that fill its ranks

Michael Mauncele I hope you can one day leave the cult, Mike. Btw where's your guru?

Nkt is not Christianity or Buddhism, It's just Evil spirit worship.

@@Kim-wx2ji that’s horrible. I don’t think you got the right to say it.

​@@jonasadauto7673 Just do your homework properly, Search: NKT Cult out here, that a good place to start.

It's more than likely 10's of Thousands have ended up with ruined lives or in a Psychiatric hospital because of this Cult over the many years. This New Kadampa Cult is not what it appears to be, AVOID.

+Carol McQuire Hi Carol, I didn't notice your comment until today, {as it has been written stand alone, I received no email notification.} Your commentary does not appear to relate in particular to Andrea's video , or to the exchange between Andrea and myself in the comments above, which I had hoped would provide thorough example of my intentions. Regardless of this, I will do my best to address the issues and observations you have made. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - You wrote: 1] "You are an anti-shugden pro-DL / CTA anti-chinese propagandist. so it is clear what you are doing here." We can do a simple reversal. Timmi: 'You are a pro Shugden, anti-Dalai Lama, NKT pro Chinese propagandist. So it is clear what you are doing here'. The words in the protests directly reflect Chinese interests. It would be the height of blindness not to see the similarities. I agree with what you have said here; there are similarities if the positions are flipped. we come from different positions on the issues, which, it is worth pointing out, have become highly polarized. Yes, I am Pro-Shugden; Dorje Shugden is the Dharmapala of my tradition of Buddhism. Am I Anti-Dalai Lama ? No. as I believe I have expressed previously, I have no personal grudge, however there remain for me inconsistencies in policy ( such as the ban on DS ) and various alleged historical issues that do not seem to match or tie in with what one (I) might expect from the the head monk of Tibetan Buddhism . Am I a NKT Pro-Chinese propagandist ? Well, NKT is the tradition I first encountered and I remain satisfied with it. I have no personal connection to China, and have never been there. I am not racist in any way, and do my best to generate love trust and respect for all beings equally, regardless of race , nationality or species. I am not Anti-Communism. I would add that do not take the western mainstream media portrayal of China and its culture as being necessarily authentic. There is a long history of relations between Tibet and China, and it is well worth looking at the wider picture. The best way I can see is to look forward, letting go of current hindrances toward peaceful resolution of past and current political hostilities to peaceful and respectful coexistence. Rather, I regard myself as Anti-Imperialist, and Anti-Nationalist. Some anti-nationalists are humanitarians or humanists who pursue an idealist view of world community, and self-identify as world citizens. People who categorise themselves as anti-imperialists, often state that they are opposed to colonialism, colonial empire, hegemony, imperialism and territorial expansion of a country beyond its established borders. Am I a propagandist ? ; any reality is an opinion. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - You Wrote: 2] Interesting how Timmi betrays his own spiritual guide by emphasizing that there is no need for his living presence - and no worry as to what has become of him. The 'books and communities' are enough for any 'independent' Buddhist like Timmi. That says it all. I agree with some of what what you say here. From my perspective, I have received initiations and teachings in person and in written form from Geshe Kelsang Gyatso that I am satisfied with. Whilst I very much wish GKG a very long healthy and happy continued lifetime, it will one day come to an end, and his body will pass,just as it will for us all. He will of course remain as my spiritual guide. . . That may indeed say it all. As for the rest of your paragraph I can only really stand by my own tradition and say that I am happy with the lineage and teachings. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - You Wrote: 3] A psychologically rich, humane and mature sangha would be able to listen to criticism and do what the Buddha suggested - ignore that which they understand to be invalid and make changes from criticism that is valid Certainly we should all be open to criticism and open discussion in order to help see ourselves from others perspectives (who may also hold different views). It is up to each of us to do our best to seek out and ideally confirm informational validity for ourselves, discuss with others in our communities and also opponents, and find ways to integrate our results and findings into our world view allowing us to move on, hopefully better educated. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - You Wrote: 4] Anyone who leaves the NKT is immediately seen as 'invalid' even if their intentions over years in the NKT were good, even excellent. It is as if anyone outside the NKT 'door' is immediately seen as inadequate and not worth bothering about except to criticise. Self and other are sharply defined as 'with the Dharma' if you are in the NKT and 'against the Dharma' if you are outside the NKT. It is not really within my remit to comment on policy of what happens to people once they have left the NKT, However i am willing to offer the following opinion ; There of course needs to be some boundaries set. People who leave are often, as in your case, take the path of being vitriolic in protest and activity against them. I can only really suggest that you look to other religions for a precedent. There are many churches, for instance. where if you leave or are told to leave, one is ostracized completely. I'm not saying this is a good thing, but neither does it seem rational that they should keep supporting someone when they have rejected the tradition or church. Your comment about 'either in or out' is not my personal experience, rather the opposite, I find them welcoming despite my own enduring non-conformative demeanor. I understand that it is now some while since you left the NKT. Maybe time to finally find resolution and let go of any remaining emotional conflict you still are holding. Please accept that I am not trying to disrespect you when I say this. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - You continue: 5] Fortunately, the NKT does not hold the only Dharma in the world in their hands. They only hold their 'own' Dharma - the one the NKT thinks it possesses, with copyrights and trademarks! I suggest that you too, are 'owned' by the NKT, Timmi. When you can see something positive in us, and in our journey, then perhaps I would say that you are going beyond the 'ownership' that the NKT have of your views and opinions. As above....(as in the mirror...) See above for discussion of 'Who has the best Dharma' this is really not something that is a major issue as I see it. I do not concur with your statement that I am 'owned by the NKT'. You , I would suggest, have had enough contact me by now to know that I am a freethinker first and foremost, and can not be owned. I see that people are having a problem with the NKT saying that their tradition of Buddhism is 'best'. Well, for me, and many others, it is !!! There is of course no particular need for you or others to agree, but please respect our opinion as valid (for us!), as you would people of any other religion or culture, team or interest group. I can advise you that I do indeed 'see something positive in you' I assure you that I have no personal issue with you, I do appreciate you taking the time to communicate like this, and can tell you that I feel that you are completely valid in your setting up and running of groups dedicated to offering counseling help and advice to people who have disrobed / decided the NKT is no longer for them. Props. I do feel however that it is very important to maintain a non-denominational stance if one is in position of moderator or admin in such a community in order for balance . It is my experience of the NKTS yahoo survivors group that there is pressure from the 'in-group' to view things from the narrative of mainstream Buddhism as being the the 'truth' and NKT as being 'Lies'.This is, for me, unhelpful polarization which quickly results in angry extremist opinions being voiced and hostilities arising. I look forward to, and am interested in, participating in any further open discussion on any of the various issues that have been raised and any other relating, in the pursuit of speedy resolution to the current schisms and unrest which i feel do Buddhism in general no favours; ideally in an appropriate and publicly viewable online venue of your choosing. I Hope this Helps.

+Carol McQuire Dalai Lama, Please be kind, and settle your differences with Shugden Buddhists.

Shuggies want everyone to be happy

How can you comment about this woman personally? This was HER exsperience! you speak of her ego.., that sir his her buisness, you're ego is of you're own, blessings

I was not expecting to be spoilt. I loved being ordained. The tradition is very flawed.

It would be the organisations responsibility to understand whether the person is ready by actually building a relationship with them. The NKT advertises classes for people with mental health problems, in order to draw more vulnerable people in, and then brainwashes them through guided self-hypnosis to give up their 'ordinary' lives. This is the NKTs fault, not Andreas. You are victim blaming

She is not a failure. Get lost, you idiot.

Geshlas New Kadampa Tradition, means = New Rubbish Scam Con You Tradition.