Hit like, comment - is Joey Barton right that some unqualified women are being promoted for diversity reasons?

He's telling the truth, which is why he's getting so much hate. You get rewarded for lying and punished for telling the truth

I agree with him, however, I hope he speaks out against men in women's sports.

He’s right. Diversity, equity & inclusion is ruining football punditry. I’ve been a season ticket holder at a Premier League Club for over 30 years & a female & I don’t like the female pundits being pushed in the men’s game because they really don’t have the same depth of knowledge as male professional footballers. I cancelled Sky Sports because I don’t want woke politics pushed at me constantly when I just want to enjoy watching the football. The BBC & ITV are just as bad. I don’t watch women’s football because it’s not the same game as the men’s game. Men should be able to object to football being highjacked for political ends without being attacked as misogynists but on the issue rather than personal attacks on appearance. This was a really interesting conversation.

I'm a woman, I've limited knowledge about footbal. I asked my husband last weekend when he was watching footie highlights if I was hearing the female pundit correctly. When he stopped laughing, he said 'yeah I know, this is football now, that's why I cancelled the sports channels' Asked friends, yup, everyone's cancelling sports subscriptions & a lot of men have just stopped watching at all. I don't think himself has watched a match since before C*vid. Why are businesses determined to lose money & customers/viewers? Same with streaming & games. We've not bothered buying anything or renewing subscriptions.. even news sites. All cancelled.

Diversity hires are nonsense. The best person needs to get the job, not to get pity hire to fill some diversity quotas!

Identity politics always was designed to create tension and division.

I really enjoyed this discussion because of the uncensored truth of it. I am an old school feminist from the 60s and what we defined as equality, in those days , is different from being and having the same as men. It was a protest against societal acceptance that women were considered inferior and limited in the roles they could play. Then men made the rules and if women knew what was good for them they'd obey. For example, when I was at Teachers College in 1966, women were not allowed to wear trousers and in the classroom you had to wear stockings. No naked legs were permitted. I dont think people realise how oppressed women were by trivial, petty nonsense. I could not get a mortgage on my own simply because I was and still am by the way, female.😂 Did I want to be the same as a man? Hell no! They suffered compulsory conscription for one thing. Old spice, walk shorts and bryl cream were not on my list of wants and desires. I can't stand the woke culture as its so ridiculously fundamentalist. Equality is not being the same as.

“No one is more hated then he who speaks the truth”: Plato

I just had a huge falling out with my brother-in-law because I said I agree with Joey. I was instantly a Nazi of course. The sheer power and physicality of male football is frightening. Most people see football on TV or from deep in the stands. Try being on the touchline and see two male athletes hurtling towards a 50 / 50 ball. I recall Serena Williams saying male tennis is a completely different game due to the sheer power difference and that's a game without physical contact. I trust Serena more than my brother-in-law!

I wrote a romantic comedy, raised $5m, had a major distributor onboard for world wide distribution, then I was told I was not allowed to direct my own movie because I wasn’t a woman, and I had to hire a women to re-write my script, the lead has to be Asian, the love interest African/American, and all the jokes had to be removed so not to offend anyone…. I now can’t afford to live.

I think women are perfectly capable of becoming football commentators. But they should only be hired if they’re better than other candidates. A diversity hire for the sake of it shows contempt for sports and ironically sets women’s rights back decades.

Woman Chelsea fan here, who qualified as a referee many years ago as a teenager. Totally in agreement with Joey until he said men "have to work to provide for their families". Newsflash Joey, so do women! That aside, the women's game is far less physical, fast, and comparatively less skillful too. Equal pay and appointment can only come when the ability is equal.

I wish they would replace Gary Lineker with a woman. Or even a potato come to think of it.

Wow what a revelation! From how the media portray him I thought Joey was a thick northern thug. He is much more articulate and intelligent than I thought. Just shows that if you’re open minded and give someone a chance despite your preconceptions then you can learn a lot.

Listening to Joey took me back to school days in Liverpool. Rapier wit and willingness to take it back with a laugh, accompanied by an obligatory bullsh*t detector, which comes with the territory in Liverpool. What a breath of fresh air to hear someone speak openly.

What Joey Barton is saying is so important!! More athletes need to fight back for the truth!!

There was an article in my feed today called "Why Talent Is Underrated" and I about broke a finger clicking on it. Couldn't believe it.

Here in Ireland, we used to have a football analysis panel on tv, made up of four ex pros who played in the 60s / 70s and 80s. The analysis was top notch but the main reason they were so revered is because they were blunt, honest and all good friends away from the studio. It was like tuning in to watch a pub chat after a game.... Now the woke virus has reached us too and every sports broadcast must have a female presenter and at least one female analyst. Preferably with a couple of "safe" yesmen on the panel who wont scare the suits up stairs. The quality of analysis has nose dived and the whole thing is often stilted, dry and corporate.

Great interview Andrew..... Am a scouser so i get where Joey is coming from in our city most people speak there mind and take the piss out of each other so we can give it out but we can also take it and he is spot on about diversity race gender etc its happening in all walks of life when in reality it should be the best qualified for the position regardless of anything else.....

Al that nominating Cabbage patch kid for an award has done has proved Joey was 100% right

Thank you back. Please cover trans widows. I am a subscriber and a trans widow since my ex husband's one appointment diagnosis in July of 1993. Documented by PhD psychologist's sworn affidavit in our divorce, Kings County, NY, 1997. He's been saying he's the mother of the two sons I birthed in 1988 and 1991. They do that. "unqualified" --thanks Joey

Joey is correct, simple, everyone else needs to grow up and face reality

I really enjoyed this conversation, it was nice to meet you Joey Barton. I'm not into football but it was fascinating to hear you speak on the subjects currently affecting the sport and basically everything else in society today.

Just suppose for a moment there is a World Championship chess tournament and former World champion Gary Kasparov has been invited in to comment on it for TV, next to a female black woman who's actual level of chess is middle school level and so poor he could beat her in less than 4 moves, repeatedly, over and over! And yet she has been brought in to add expertise. She is getting paid as much as he is. How would you feel? That's the gap, the gulf between Professional Men's football and the Womens game. Somewhat embarrassing isn't it!

I agree with his opinion of Vine. A few years ago he did a very dodgy segment on his radio show about a young boy who did a drag show not being allowed to present his sexually provocative act at his school end of year show. Vine was outraged and bought one of the drag race stars to encourage him and give him gifts of makeup and clothes. The lad was 12! How was this not grooming? I've never listened to him since.

Andrew, you absolutely deserve a silver plaque. Your hard work hasn't gone unnoticed 🤗 I'm pround to be a heretic 😊

I agree with what he's saying but I do hope he speaks on men invading women's spots.

An articulate man. Different from how he's portrayed in the media.

As (an actual) South African female - I salute your sanity. Our country has been ruined by DIY and BEE policies.

Don’t tell anyone but I was standing in the layby on A48 just outside Newnham (England) early in the morning with my thumb out, hoping for a lift south. I had a long journey ahead of me to a village in Sussex. After only a few minutes a van pulled in and after thanking him I jumped into the passenger seat. Then after an embarrassingly short conversation I was forced to understand that this chap was a local farmer and had pulled into that layby to feed his sheep and wasn’t offering me a lift anywhere!!!

Your Heretics channel is amazing, Andrew. I always look forward to these more in depth interview.

If women went to women's games weekly, bought the season tickets, shirts, calendars and subcribed to sports channels in the same numbers that men do for the men's game, guess what? Women's footy would be huge and have billions sloshing about for development and promotion. But they don't. Most of them support it purely theoretically. The next time someone tells you "they should get the same attention as the men" ask them to name 5 players that aren't in the England national team....

I remember applying to be a police MAN and I was sent a letter back saying the force are doing "Positive Discrimination" basicaly "You're white, you're male, You're straight, We can't take you on" I am in total agreement we need equality of chance in the workplace, but is being openly predudice to "right the wrongs" because I now don't fit the quota actually any better?

Max respect to Joey (and Andrew) for his courage, intelligence and honesty 👏

Wow... Awesome conversation 🎉 bravo gents and thank you both 🙏🏻🙏🏻

I am not remotely interested in football, but this was another fascinating episode. An intelligent, articulate, humble person, nothing like the man he is portrayed to be in the press.

As someone without an exact ideological home, I appreciate your work and your attitude so much, Andrew. I listen religiously and suggest it to people all the time. Your affability and interviewing skills make you a great host & the guests you pick are so interesting. Keep up the good work.

Just to point out Andrew, the reason girls were not playing football is because we were never offered it in lessons, never allowed in teams, never encouraged and bullied if we showed an interest.

Just want to say that I'm really enjoying your new heretics podcast. I used to watch your other channel, and (for me, at least), it was a bit hit or miss. This is all hits. Well done.

Interesting points until the whole ‘women not having the vote is a valid opinion thing’. Sometimes it’s OK to say that an opinion is awful.

As always, great interview Andrew.

Identity politics led to the biggest atrocities in human history.

Big ups Joey and Andrew. Great work 👍

'One conversation at as time'... what a great name for a channel!!! Getting really close to that 100k !! Well deserved!!

One improvement I'd like to see for this channel is - please ask your guests for an intro at the start, who are they, what is their background. Cheers

That's a great looking studio. Great pod, thanks!

GO ON JOEY! I would pay good money to see him running rings round the women’s team wearing a pink wig! This needs to be done, super trolling to get his point across.😆

Fantastic discussion

I think he's generally correct in pointing out real problems. I think he's entitled to his opinion without being harassed. I also think that commentators in the entertainment industry should be selected according to what their consumers want; if consumers want a woman from the bus stop to comment on a game, that's fine. Football is an entertainment industry that rationally should serve the demands of it's consumers as best it can.

Great interview Andrew! Really fascinating listen I’ve had to re-listen to it three times! Great to see your heretics podcast really taking off mate! From someone you interviewed only a couple of years ago on Shaun Attwoods channel

I love Joey Barton, legend of a player and speaker of common sense

Love this channel. So glad for your success!

100% agree with Joey. Womens football is not as good as mens, period. They shouldn't be taking the punters jobs. I'm a woman I watch mens football because women's football isn't as good, it's boring in comparison. Keep it up Joey I'm with you 👏👏🇬🇧

I've no idea about the details of the Jeremy Vine thing, but quick point of order: *No one* pays road tax - there's no such thing. Every (smug, perhaps) cyclist knows this fact - but all too many non-cycling drivers don't have a clue and make the same mistake that Joey does here.

If a woman's the best one for the job, she should get it. If the man's better, he should. It should be on meritocracy, not sex, and not race. We get female commentators on men's tennis and vice versa.

Loved this interview. So refreshing to hear what most of us think and feel said outloud.

I agree.. I hate hearing men commentators in netball etc.. I guess it’s us getting men back for dressing up as woman & taking over female sports 🥴

Very good interview.

Never heard of this guest, however I still found this topic and conversation very interesting and insightful. Thank you Andrew for another brilliant episode of Heretics ❤️👍🏼

Commenting for the algorithm. I love being a little late to the live stream and listening x2 speed… when I catch up you guys sound like you've had strokes out of nowhere.

That was a enjoyable watch from both of you cheers

100K subscribers soon, and totally deserved! Well done, Andrew! Keep doing you! :)

I want to thank you. I feel grateful to have found this content. You are an amazing interviewer and your knowledge base is amazing. I love, love, love intelligent discussion on all topics but mostly when they are heretical!

He says men that have played the sport should be the ones in pundit positions because they know more. Then he proceeds to say how Postecoglou is a chameleon and spurs is having a normal spursy season..... Im glad he isnt one of the "experts" -__-

(Don't) Have a drink each time Joey touches his glasses.

I don't get the whole Oh the best womens team lost to a bunch of good 15 year old players when you start from the position that the womens game is alot slower and the physical capabilities are so different. The reason they play the boys is because they know themselves that those teams are better and they want the challenge so they can get better themselves. There is no shame in it, its a sensible way for them to improve. They know that against a mens team they wouild likely just get hurt so you don't see that and rightfully so.

Gotta love Joey. It's enormously refreshing to hear an plain-speaking non-woke guy stating the obvious, & defying our woke version of the 1960's Maoist Cultural Revolutionary student mobs.

Andrew I think your great. The discussion highlighted some really good issues which need to be discussed, but it became very uncomfortable at times. Its not right to call people names in public. 'Looking like a cabbage patch doll' is demeaning and nasty. Hopefully a woman on TV would not disrespect you in front of thousands and call you a feminine string bean. (I'm sorry I don't mean it, its just an example of mean and belittling speech). Most of the time the victim of the insult can't answer back. I'm not preaching DEI, I'm talking about respecting each other. Female (girls) were discouraged to play football and if they reached a level of skill similar to boys at club level, they wouldn't accept them and they were banned. So that's why the business side of female game and the number and depth of players can't be compared to the men's team. Of course, as people, until recently, have argued that with all sports there's is a difference due to anatomy and physiology of the sexes. Again when I was listening to the discussion there was a level of disrespect running through the conversation. I'm an avid watcher, so keep up with inviting the different guest. I enjoy your technique and style of interviewing too.

Another good conversation, enjoying the heretics channel.

Andrew- i'm still not re-subbing yet, but I must sat I am very happily impressed to hear you really stepping out and stepping up and having an opinion... much more interressting than listening to one more wishy-washy playing it sooooo safe "influencer" as you used to be to me. ❤❤❤ Keep Going. You have a Truth the world should hear!! Dare to be Bold, my friend❤️❤️

Ah yes, lovely little joey, a nice man who described the racist murder committed by his brother, with an ice axe, as, a 'scrap' and who also said he knows where Eni Aluko's family live. What a top fella, it's important we hear his views and really get to understand his nuanced perspective. Maybe he'll even explain nietzsche to us.

ANDREW , you are an amazing journalist and human being.

i think the best person for the job should be hired - it seems so sensible to hire that way...

Just found you recently and now bingeing. Saw you with Boghossion and looked at his interviews. Could only watch one = it was with Posy Parker who was brilliant BUT so difficult to watch as he kept interrupting her all the time. It made me realise what a good interviewer your are. Onwards and upwards!

Great pod man

good interview

Well said, and good luck with J V

WSL is a fad. People will get bored with it.

First time listening to Joey Barton and aside from the accent - what a top lad.

The tickets only cost tenner as well as being empty

Don’t back away from men invading women’s spaces either then Joey

I’m 6’2” and female. Did football (defence - I like kicking people up in the air) and weightlifting. I used to be nervous playing against other women because I was aware how much bigger than them I was (and usually stronger). I occasionally tried playing in men’s teams, against other men. It was a fkn joke. I literally had no hope. It’s simple physical reality - women are not as strong or as fast as men. It annoyed the hell out of me, but nothing I did could ever change that. No point lying about it. Reality is what it is. Blokes can wear whatever they want, but they don’t belong in women’s spaces - and absolutely not in women’s sports. It not even that it’s not fair, it’s not even *safe*. And he is bang on the nose about lower league football needing more exposure and support. They’re the fundamentals, the basics of football in this country, they develop young talent and give local communities identity and a place to congregate. Lower league football is already threatened by the cash at the top. Big clubs and Sky tv will do whatever it takes for profit, even if it means playing league games in America and half the football league going out of business. They’re the biggest threat to football in this country.

A person should be appointed to a job based on merit and merit alone - not any other political trend. Not race, not gender, not any sort of inclination. That is just basic common sense.

The more I listen to joey Barton,the more I believe he gets scapegoated for speaking facts. Modern day Robin Hood! Keep churning facts joey 😂😂

Joey had very valid points to make. His arguments hold weight BUT he started the childish name calling and the detracted from what he had to say and allowed the mainstream media to attack him and invalidate the genuine points he had to make.

hahahaha just looked up the cabbage patch doll lady oh dear she does look like one!!! no problem with him saying that. looked on wiki re joey and they mentioned the cigar in that fellows eye but neglected to say the other person set his shirt on fire! that to me is pretty important. also just for curiosity it was Emily Davison not Emily Pankhurst, another great great episode Mr Gold, .really enjoying your channel, its SUPER NECESSARY!!! ( super necessary was said by Jorge Masvidal, MMA fighter, seems quite appropriate)

So should we only have women presenters on women’s sport? Clearly that isn’t happening. Yes they have gone over the top with female presenters in sport and good men might be overlooked because of that, sorry but it will settle down and women will get better and of course they must be given a chance.

This was an awesome conversation

Men in general respect meritocracy, whereas women value egality and fair share above all.

The Pasquale thing got me 😅

Joey is a revelation to listen to. The direct opposite to how he is portrayed in the mainstream media. He’s welcome in my house any day.

Andrew, I've enjoyed your podcast. But in this episode you haven't pushed the guest at all. I understand you're a football fan, but that's not very professional. Some of the things this man said are clearly misogynistic--like women not being able to vote is a valid opinion?? Also the guest had domestic violence charges against him--why there was no question about that? Similarly some of his assaults in his youth may have been racially motivated, but there were no follow up questions on that. I don't agree with a lot of contemporary identity politics, but being anti-'woke' is different from potentially being racist and misogynistic, which the guest may well be. Finally, many have commented that men have occupied media space/broadcast positions in a lot of women's sports, even in sports (such as rhythmic gymnastics) which men don't even practice. However, this point has never been brought up.

Great moments of truth Andrew, best wishes for your future on Utube you have exposed a lot of hypocrisy,1 will be following you and pass them onto my followers ❤

I've already subscribed, so I'll click the 'like' icon instead.😃

Thanks both of you. 👏👏👏 of course I will sub

100% men and women are different in every single wayvaccept needing food, warmth and shelter. Please can this be celebrated again x This continual division is poisoning and stopping men being men and women being women x

Mr. Barton makes several excellent points, and we agree that a meritocracy tends to hold the most value. His view is certainly painted dark blue, metaphorically speaking, and I would love to introduce a few pink ideas, just food for thought. In the name of open, respectful communication, I think his perspective would benefit from a peek at the world through my eyes. Is there an email address for Mr. Barton? Great show!

He's bang on in everything he says on this subject. The only thing I would add to it, is other than the expert analysis, I like the banter former players have together on TV. They have healthy disagreements and have little digs at each other and that doesn't happen when there's a female sat there.

I love your show. And I've learned so much listening to your guests whether I've agreed with them or not. Unfortunately this man is the exception to that. I find him to be misogynistic and boorish. He speaks as though he is trying to be fair when really he's a bully. This is not about defending women, I'm simply saying I do not approve of his comments or opinions. And by the way, I've never heard of him or heard him speak before today.