MIXING WITH HARDWARE INSERTS (without HD system)

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@varmintvittles Жыл бұрын

You can use shift + tab to transient with samples being selected and PT will just show you the exact sample difference

@MCEEZR Жыл бұрын

Does Logic have a version of that?

@CyrilleBoucanogh Жыл бұрын

@@MCEEZR no, that's why PT is called Pro Tools ;)

@legacyShredder1 Жыл бұрын

@@CyrilleBoucanogh dude lol

@audioextraordinaire Жыл бұрын

Came to comment this.

@facelen4321 Жыл бұрын

@@MCEEZR of course it has and it is way more simple check this vdd kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a92eeKx4ysDHinU.html

@austinbridge Жыл бұрын

Love this video. This is a great, quick refresher for hybrid setups!

@587583922 Жыл бұрын

Reaper and all the Steinberg software just has a button for this.

@danielpapak Жыл бұрын

You are so fantastic, thanks Andrew! My wife and I recently got a place that is allowing me to build the studio I've dreamed about playing in since I was a kid. Super cool 70's mud brick with double height ceiling and recycled wood from an old dock. It's a home studio build into this shell from scratch and I've had such fun planning it out in my head over the past months. Also consolidating all of my current gear from years of playing mixed with a proper budget (compared to years ago as a musician) to get some sweet new stuff (lots of what I've seen you working with interestingly). So many of your videos answer all of these odd little questions and challenges with the process and you explain it perfectly on the level that someone who isn't a professional working engineer but also isn't starting out in Garage Band can understand. Even really obscure stuff like laying floorboards or this exact video about hardware inserts. The home studio is such a happy place for so many people and you really seem to feel that way too in your videos. Just wanted to finally say thanks for that and can't wait to see how your channel and own studio evolve over the years!

@stewartmckee8770 Жыл бұрын

nice, Andrew! I'm here in Nashville and grabbed a 500r8 a couple month ago and JUST starting using inserts last week on a few comps. LOVE that I can use one cable to run the audio in and out. A great engineer friend came over and was like....where are all the cables?! The fact that the 500 slots go before the insert is great for tracking but also have some 500 series mixing gear. Thanks for this

@JoshTurnerGuitar 5 ай бұрын

This is extremely useful, thank you so much!

@DAMIENrap Жыл бұрын

Thank gaaaawd for pipeline XT!!

@basscase78 2 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same thing! S1 is so smart

@timball8429 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely excellent tutorial, Andrew. Thanks very much!!! 🙏

@audiodude Жыл бұрын

Awesome video!! Very helpful I appreciate you man

@michaeltablet8577 Жыл бұрын

I gotta say it again. Masters is a Masters! Love your videos!

@rayjax6218 9 ай бұрын

Thanks for your video, this worked perfect for me! 👍🏾

@realgreyrecords6015 Жыл бұрын

This a wonderful information Andrew! Thanks especially for the formula for calculating the off-set I think an Apollo Twin only has ADAT in so you wouldn't be able to use it to send signal, only receive ... It would be useful for tracking though. Talk about a cool 10 channel remote rig. Love your channel man.

@tonye9045 Жыл бұрын

Great video Andrew, thanks. Been using the R8 for a few years now, fantastic piece of gear. Highly recommend the TK501 buss compressor 500 series. Never leaves my master buss.

@delvenhamric1200 Жыл бұрын

I just picked up their 500r8 and starting to learn what it does. This unit does what your model does, plus it's a full USB interface. I haven't gotten to the using it in the mix yet, so thanks for the delay comp info. 😊

@ernestokarolys1384 Жыл бұрын

I've had the 500R8 for a year and a half now and I just keep discovering new things to do with it. It's extremely flexible and sounds great! Congrats on getting it!

@seantait Жыл бұрын

great stuff as always bro

@HeightsLabOfficial Жыл бұрын

The man’s tutorials are just as good as the studio tours 10/10 bro

@corknakovastein Жыл бұрын

Godsend!! Im working on an album right now, We purchased a Clarette +8 and ive got a bunch of mics and outboards from my buddies old studio, if I could get enough man power to move the Tac Scorpion II id move that too. Ive been trying to figure out the delay issue this past week, this video saved me. So easy too, they never taught this one when I went to school for audio engineering back in the day.

@jeasperkrll6528 Жыл бұрын

FANTASTIC!!!

@AndrewMasters Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@larrytan73 Жыл бұрын

@ 2:08 LMAO! " thats a good little snap"!

@PeteCalandra Жыл бұрын

Nice video. I’m wondering why in ProTools, you did not use tab to transient and then separate out the clip at the transient highlight the small clip from the beginning of your session and then change the time base to samples. Then in the counter you can see how many samples that clip contains. that seems a lot quicker to me.

@ThePilate30 Жыл бұрын

Very cool system, I use REAPER and luckily their Reainsert plug in has a delay compensation measuring feature built in, which is why in my opinion it's the best DAW out there

@danielpool2039 Жыл бұрын

I think Protools is the only daw that doesn't have this compensation built in. It's in Logic, Reaper, Studio One and Cubase I know from using them.

@ThePilate30 Жыл бұрын

@@danielpool2039 I know this won't be popular, but Pro Tools is overatted

@danielpool2039 Жыл бұрын

@@ThePilate30 WhAaAt?!?!?

@heleomopi Жыл бұрын

uff. man this is been my struggle fro a long time. thanks a lot.

@pointviewmusic8936 Жыл бұрын

I love you bro. I’m slowly getting my home studio. Half of this stuff I have no idea what it is. But I love learning about it. So close to 100k congrats man

@AndrewMasters Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Enjoy the process!

@pointviewmusic8936 Жыл бұрын

Lol ig there two different Andrews

@tekis0 Жыл бұрын

Great channel. 👍

@chrisdover8507 Жыл бұрын

I’d get a pair on the retro tube 500 pre. and a couple SSL EQ. Can’t beat ‘em for versatility. Unreal on guitars. Well everything. Couple 550B for that colour too

@laneysommer Жыл бұрын

Great video! Thank you for sharing.

@AndrewMasters Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@warnutztheloser Жыл бұрын

🎸🎹⌨💯

@antcall6779 Жыл бұрын

Great as always! Try out the RND tape emulator and retro double wide🤘

@BritoWorx Жыл бұрын

Studio One is one the greatest DAWs for hybrid set up. Pipeline XT has built in delay comp at a click of a button.

@luisarturoaceves2425 Жыл бұрын

Nice vid bro!!!

@jimmyrigs Жыл бұрын

One quick thing, the Apollo twin only has ADAT inputs, no outputs. The quad desktop has ADAT I/O though. So you can add extra channels of in but not out for the TWIN

@paulsarodh5460 Жыл бұрын

Superb 😎😍

@danielpool2039 Жыл бұрын

It's strange that this isn't a more streamlined process in protools until you consider that Avid really wants you to buy their dedicated hardware. In logic you pull up the insert IO patch and press one button that pings the route. Compensation is now set for the project. This can be saved as a preset, so you don't even have to ping every time as long as you're using the same mix template or recording template. I guess the current state of affairs is better than the first generation of native pt where you would have to manually compensate your native plugins.

@precisionsoundworksstudio 5 ай бұрын

You look a lot like Jimmy Yeary. That's a compliment. He's a fantastic human being (and an amazing songwriter).

@nicholasedgett7889 Жыл бұрын

You should definitely try out the great river 500 series preamps. They're about as much the warm wa73eqs. Totally worth it. By far some of the greatest preamps I've ever heard. They're like a clean consistent yet still characterful Vintage Neve. Definitely give it a try!

@austinbridge Жыл бұрын

Honestly, check out the Cranborne Camden 500 pre could be fun! Other great pres are of course the API 512c & 512v, Neve 1073LB & 88RLB, Chandler Limited TG2-500, and Vintech VA573. Other fun gear is the Trident 80B EQ, Empirical Labs ELDS, Radial X-Amp, Retro Instruments Doublewide II, ACME Audio Opticom XLA-500, RND 542 Tape Emulator, and I know your good friend Colt has told you about the SPL BIG!

@lodewicus1 Жыл бұрын

Why I love Cubase it auto do this for you so no delay or latency problems.... Just one click and it detects how long the audio takes to get back to the daw, no need for buffering settings....

@HubLocationSound 10 ай бұрын

I was hoping you would explain routing for inserting hardware (like a 2bus compressor) on your Protools Master Track, and simultaneously printing that to a new stereo audio track while also live monitoring that printed track. I do it using busses, but it always seems overly complicated.

@Rusty123R Жыл бұрын

Hi Andrew, Try the CAPI vp28 pre amps, you can run 2 of them on your mix bus and get a nice api flavour. Not that hard to build if you can solder, or you could buy them built. For me the op amps were the most difficult

@ZachWirchak Жыл бұрын

Great vid! Almost at 100k subs!

@cristopherjohansson1323 Жыл бұрын

For the last two years I've been using the meta plugin instead when using hw inserts (plugin slot A = HW plugin slot B = Metaplugin with the sample delay fooling PT) less headaches and you only need to save a preset for every sample rate. And when recording I use the meta plugin on the master bus cause Pro Tools doesn't support the recording offset with 3d party interfaces. I haven't heard about anyone using the meta plugin this way when mixing but try it out.

@commonsense5188 Жыл бұрын

Are you talking about the DDMF meta plugin?

@pedroboschibrasil Жыл бұрын

Great info

@aarongreen3802 Жыл бұрын

I'd like to see a comparison of capi preamps. vp25 vp28 & 312's maybe even compared with different opamps if you feel like taking the time to experiment.

@marvinbell7007 Жыл бұрын

You're a mind reader. I've been thinking of buying outboard gear and going hybrid. This shows me the nuances involved and how to solve this problem. THANX. I can't wait to see you fill the 500 lunchbox.

@EdgetoneStudios Жыл бұрын

This is another reason why I use Studio One; built in automatically calculated delay compensation for plugins and external hardware. I can't beleive ProTools requires manual calculations. What a pain.

@danielpool2039 Жыл бұрын

They want you to buy their hardware. They tried to pull this when they first allowed 3rd party hardware on a native system. You actually had to do manual compensation for native plugins!

@AudioJanitor Жыл бұрын

Logic users - you have a Ping tool within the app: Utility -> I/O plugin Why Logic rules #1,202,301

@kenbousquet4060 Жыл бұрын

ya i was so confused as to why this was necessary when logic has it built in.

@Deckie1969 Жыл бұрын

That really sucks that Pro Tools doesn't do this for you like Logic or some other DAW's it seems like a pain in the ass. Side note I just got a MOTU 16A to use with my outboard gear versus a patchbay and I'm really liking it so far. In Logic you can save I/O as presets for each piece of gear and it makes it super fast to use.

@Etmannon Жыл бұрын

I will say logic has a step up in this particular process with the i/o audio plug-in that if you click the ping button, it will automatically compensate for the delay

@piterb.5444 Жыл бұрын

Cool Andrew but if you use Logic Pro X you can just open the hardware insert plug-in and those all this automatically. Protools is a very behind and archaic! I moved away from it on version 11.

@mistertwister4862 Жыл бұрын

Great 🔥video, Andrew! Why don’t you give a couple of the new Malcolm Toft PUNISHR 500 Series Analog Harmonic Distortion Modules a try on your mix bus.

@gigiborza1151 Жыл бұрын

Cool video as always. Regarding preamp suggestions, why don’t you try Cranborne’s own 500 pre, it’s super versatile. They live in my box along with the GAP 573 Premier.

@mulcahykv Жыл бұрын

Great video, Andrew. I use Pro Tools Studio with a non-HD rig, but still have the option for Delay Compensation. Are there still versions of PT that don't offer this feature?

@richyseb Жыл бұрын

Wish there was a ping function on PT (like Cubase and other daws) where the delay compensation is calculated and adjusted for automatically! This way one doesn't need to worry about calculating buffer sizes/sample rate RT latency :/ Great vid anyway btw!

@AndrewMasters Жыл бұрын

Totally agree

@jimmyrigs Жыл бұрын

I was really surprised to see no ping function!

@richyseb Жыл бұрын

@@jimmyrigs me too. Especially on PT 😅

@stephanedanis Жыл бұрын

Surprised that you need to manually calculate this in protools? I have been using MixBus32C for 4 years and you simply press a button on the insert channel to auto measure latency for external hardware. Takes 1 second.

@markowalski1 Жыл бұрын

If you using Ableton, the plugin's title bar will tell you the latency in samples and milliseconds.

@timnordberg7204 Жыл бұрын

it will tell you the *plugin* latency but Live sorely lacks tools to make these kind of compensations. It doesn't provide sample-level readouts of selection length. A huge part of why people avoid Live for mixing--and why it's called "Live". Ableton need to step up and finally make "Studio".

@colcob Жыл бұрын

@@timnordberg7204 ableton has an insert called External Audio Effect that routes to and from an external device and lets you set the latency of it's path. The master plugin delay compensation will then delay everything else to ensure alignment.

@TrevonJamar Жыл бұрын

NEXT LEVEL!

@papabrancamastering 5 ай бұрын

❤

@johnwalter6410 Жыл бұрын

You can use decimals in sasmples. If 50 is putting you past you can use 49.5.. At least on studio one you can

@vince8664 Жыл бұрын

Great tutorial on this topic! Can you please create dedicated videos going through the same process using Ableton and Cubase? Also, does anything change once you start adding plugins to the session (since they introduce latency) or does the delay compensation stay the same as long as you don't change the buffer size and sample rate settings? Thank you!

@overclock5010 Жыл бұрын

Hi, In Cubase when you use it as a hardware insert you have a button called (measure latency) which measures and compensate the delay.

@vince8664 Жыл бұрын

@@overclock5010 Thank you... I'm considering switching from Ableton to Cubase so wanted to learn more. Appreciate the response!

@junkstar45 Жыл бұрын

Thank god for the I/O plugin in Logic that does this all with a push of button

@blashuvec Жыл бұрын

Logic has "ping"

@rishabhbose29 Жыл бұрын

Meanwhile Logic Users - Ping. And it's done. Wish PT had something so easy and intuitive. But still a very helpful tutorial Andrew.

@jeanloti7546 Жыл бұрын

Hey, about the sample delay / sample rate : should we re-do this for all the outboard we have (different delay time nah?), and in the same way -> for different session ? About the crane + Apollo twin = Apollo twin & twin X have ADAT IN but not ADAT OUT, mean you can track, but not “mix” with your “outboard gear”. Fixed with the rack series Joris

@memeswillneverdie 20 күн бұрын

Cubase: “calculate delay” Cubase: done! Pro tools: 🤷‍♂️

@TheAmericanWoodcock Жыл бұрын

Reainsert in Reaper baby. That’s all I have to say. Good to know if using pro tools though. Thanks Andrew.

@chadfayrobinson7537 Жыл бұрын

Great Channel Long time viewer. I keep coming back to this video. I get the process but when I send out of my Apollo 5 an 6 to compressor and back in 5 and 6 I'm only 4 samples behind doing this test. But if I increase my gain from line 5 and 6 that is my second send from click it is perfectly in sync. I'm at 48K Sample 512 Buffer size. HUh IDK

@AlecBoyd Жыл бұрын

I’m a life long cubase user. You’re telling me Protools doesn’t have a native tool for measuring hardware latency?

@markowalski1 Жыл бұрын

There is, every DAW is capable of that. But he's explaining how you get those number and adjust to compensate the latency. I've met too many engineers/producers that know what to click but not why.

@benjaminashlin Жыл бұрын

@@markowalski1 yes but basically every other Daw does this all this for you with the click of a button. Only pro tools requires your to buy hdx to get this feature.

@buhlir Жыл бұрын

Hey so cool. thanks man. Im also working in Logic, where would you put the delay comp? Within the I/O Plugin. because I can never get that to work.

@buhlir Жыл бұрын

@Andrew Masters Hey i saw you said something to me like I won something but i cant find where it went after i clicked it on my notifications

@wooliegeek Жыл бұрын

One small nit. Your large buffer size should probably have been 1024, not 1028. I think that way just a typo.

@JLP-333 8 ай бұрын

I measured the samples, did the formula.. added the delay into IO settings. And get the same delay

@gerardomerino6418 8 ай бұрын

HI Andrew, thank you for the video. Do you know if there's a shortcut to mute hardware inserts? thanks in advance!

@AndrewMasters 8 ай бұрын

On pro tools it’s “make inactive” control + cmd click for mac

@kniferideaudio 3 ай бұрын

I run a buffer of 64 samples, tracking and mixing and have no problems even with large sessions. Granted I am on a beefy home built PC tower (128 gb of ram, BABY!!!) using Reaper so my rig is absurdly efficient. Reaper also has a plugin that allows you to create hardware inserts that you can drop into your chain, it can ping and auto adjust for round trip latency and works flawlessly. Seems like Pro Tools really makes setting up a simple hardware insert needlessly difficult if you aren't on HDX. If you have Reaper installed on a Pro Tools system, do the reaper plugins show up in protools? Be cool to see if REA Insert plug works there too.

@shanewinkler3459 Жыл бұрын

Now that you've switched to Logic, would you consider a new video covering this process for the new software?

@dannyprecysroadtoforever5234 Жыл бұрын

Avid strikes again ! If you want to do hardware inserts without being a mathematician you have to spend more money on an HDX system or you could just use any virtually any other DAW on Earth that will do the same thing with a stock insert plugin.

@johnvcougar Жыл бұрын

lol, that’s funny! So all your “other DAWs” magically deal with delay compensation when routing through outboard? Pray tell!

@dannyprecysroadtoforever5234 Жыл бұрын

@@johnvcougar Nothing magical about it the plugin pings your hardware loop to measure latency and you're done. in my case it's sample accurate and you can control the input and output levels of the hardware from the plugin. The trick is that the plugin has to be integrated in to the DAW or interface which Avid does no offer. TC Electronic was doing this 15 years ago but I guess Avid didn't get memo or they made the executive decision to limit their native systems for reasons that are obvious.

@Saitamasensei51 8 ай бұрын

Man I hope you never have to calibrate a live rig or your head will explode from all the “math” 😂

@bangswift 8 ай бұрын

😮‍💨

@minerock16 4 ай бұрын

You attracted the Pro Tools suckers who are desperate to prove the relevance of it in a world where it's not the "industry standard". They dropped hundreds of bucks on a DAW almost no one younger than 30 and outside a major studio uses and feel the need to justify their purchase, stay strong brother 🤙

@gagsmedia 4 ай бұрын

It’s 2024 and this really needed a to be addressed with a ping button built into the GUI…ain't nobody got time for dat!

@timball8429 Жыл бұрын

So I have an 1176 clone as an outboard. I rarely use it because I realised that I can only pass a single channel at a time through it when mixing. This would mean either only using it on a single track or printing the track… and let’s face it, these days recording a band normally would have quite a few tracks to process, so am I right in thinking that there is no easy way to use outboard unless you have multiple pieces of hardware?

@mexa-fiofficial48 Жыл бұрын

Can you adjsut the samples on logic pro or any other daw???

@timnordberg7204 Жыл бұрын

I'm not a PT user, but surely what you're calculating is *unreported* latency? Most DAWs make a compensation based on the mathematical relationship between buffer size and sample rate to calculate a base figure for input and output latencies. After those corrections are applied, the interface (and external gear connected to it) can still accumulated latency that is not "reported" by the interface. This click test measures the unreported latency, and PT allows you to correct this on a bus-by-bus level (feeling very envious right now!) Also, I would have really liked to see (hear) a null test between the native and re-amped click tracks.

@eliemusic93 Жыл бұрын

Hello! Andrew, I have an Alesis ADat 8-track black face digital recorder, would that be useful with my interface?

@GoldenProductions2019 Жыл бұрын

You should get some API mic pres

@ColtCapperrune Жыл бұрын

Second!!

@AndrewMasters Жыл бұрын

The real first!

@charlesrocks Жыл бұрын

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@silversteelstudio Жыл бұрын

Protools is a shame, glad that I switched to Logic! Get Logic and make your life easier for hybrid mixing, I’m mixing with more than 30 analogue outboard gears and no hassles, no calculations, no limitations, no phase issues and no latency. Plus the possibility to use any outboard gear in MS mode or stereo mode even if the unit doesn’t have an MS mode. And also all the gears can be used in parallel without setting up any parallel auxes. The difference is day and night I will never look back to ProTools while mixing in hybrid.

@roderickaugust 6 ай бұрын

Does this process (recording click track and calculating delay) need to be repeated for each individual piece of outboard gear or only once in 1025 high buffer and again in 64 lower buffer? (per your example)

@conceptsofmusicproductionc7667 Жыл бұрын

Why doesn't PT just calculate this by itself? Cubase has had this built into its software for years.

@roderickaugust 5 ай бұрын

Do we need to change I/O Insert Latency back to 0.00 MS (default) when recording? I use the same stereo 1073 to record with that I often run tracks through as well

@thirdwise 7 ай бұрын

Should I turn off (uncheck) my Auto Delay Compensation when doing this?

@peelproductions1971 Жыл бұрын

Does it matter that piece of hardware you are going through? Do different hardware pieces have different delays?

@johnvcougar Жыл бұрын

Analog devices operate at the speed of wire (somewhere close to the speed of light), but there are conversion delays getting in and out of your computer. Digital devices, on the other hand, also have to convert between analog and digital, and may use buffers that often delay the signal for a small period - somewhere around 20ms depending on the unit. Some digital devices allow hookup via digital to your DAW, avoiding conversions, but the processing may still incur latency. Depends on what you got!

@zonarecordingstudio 4 ай бұрын

What if I just use the hardware inserts on my console, still a problem?

@alexgnyusa442 Ай бұрын

Does having other applications and tabs open become a variable? For example if I’m mixing at 1024 buffer size but I have a bunch of apps open will that create more delay than if I had no apps open mixing at 1024?

@Adept216 Жыл бұрын

What interface are you using? I only get 64samples with a Lynx 16 via thunderbolt @ 96k 64 buffer. It’s so quick I’m basically only compensating for the buffer? LoL

@KC-bi9jw Жыл бұрын

There’s a much easier way to find out the sample delay rather than changing you nudg value. Just select the distance from the grid downbeat to the transient and “expanded transport” gives you the exact sample amount. The way you did it is does not yield correct results.

@DatAnydeks Жыл бұрын

That’s right-just use slip mode and zoom in to drag the distance.

@YawdmanMusicLLC 3 ай бұрын

Question. Do you leave the Pro Tools "Delay Compensation" option enabled? I ask this because. When I do my test, the hardware is faster than the Bus. So, I am a bit confused. I have the IDC on the UAD console off. However, I left the Pro Tools Delay Compensation on.

@prodcountryjames 10 ай бұрын

Hi Andrew I'm in a bit of a pickle lol. I have some hardware gear. I was fine with my Clarett 8pre until I purchased more gear, so I purchase a Focusrite Mkii non Dynamic . Now my issue is I can't get it to work in Protools. I set the Clarett as ADAT and get no sound. I tried setting up a patch bay which my brain will not wrap around the concept yet. Do you have any video explaining how to get things flowing with Protools because there isn't any out here.

@KPTheProducer 10 ай бұрын

can I know your mix buss settings?

@roderickaugust 6 ай бұрын

What the deuce is A Line 13? Is that what’s being sent to the analog hardware? So confused

@FlipHybrid Жыл бұрын

You say mic pre the same way Randy says creme fraishe (thats a southpark reference)

@insomnia1on1 Жыл бұрын

i use cubase and it show me what ms i got for any given sample rate, so i dont need to do these calcutate, do you have that in your DAW ? or am i lost here?