Hi guys long time that I don't leave a comment for you guys to read if I had a choice I will get this one and I will wait for the updates I'll tell you why because every day I turn on my TV my computer my phone anything the first thing I do to check for updates so I'll be okay waiting for the updates because honestly it'll be worth it for that price would be worth it for me honestly can I get away with it when not bringing what they promise all the time with me no but I will give him I will give him a chance if it delivers a good first audio experience right out the box if you know what I mean so yeah the whole update thing there's some days I don't get update to my phone anyway I guess that's the future for companies am I proud of it no but I guess that's the future that we live in right now is we had to wait for updates anyways love you guys and God bless have a great day guys love you so much guys see you on the next one

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Hi Guys. Absolutely love everything you say. Plus your sick awesome sense of humor. People are asking, what movie was playing during your receiver smack down at the end? Military, badass female cars, sand. Looks like a good one to Flex audio and video. But I couldn't place it. Thanks so much and keep being your wonderful selves. 🍻🙏🏾

@@michaelnickens8793 So happy you joined us! It's 6 Underground. FYI - That info is (always) noted in the description as well as noted on screen!

is there a difference in sound quality between the s760h and the x3700h?

We sincerely appreciate you doing that, Alan!

@@andrewrobinsonreviews You guys are the best and people don’t realize how hard it is to do what the two of you do. So nothing wrong with giving a little help.

@@michael-4k4000 that’s the beauty. We all find something that works for us in our quest for better viewing and listening.

Bought also the Rz50 and I am on my way to buy a subwyand two new left and right channel speakers, looking for 8000f or I wishhhhhh they could review the monolith encore T6 loudspeaker they deserve way more attention then they receive

do u still have ur tx-rz50, do u still like it I just got one 2 week s ago

Thank you so very, very much!

You'll also find the info noted in the description should you ever need it! Thanks for hanging out with us today.

@@KristiWright who reads? lol.

QOL updates just keep improving 👏👏👏👏👏

Can’t go wrong with it as a entry into the HT world. It holds its weight in the more lower end AVRs.

How are you liking it so far? I just purchased the x4800 to replace my 14 year old Yamaha. I'm anxiously waiting to see if I made the right decisions. lol. it comes tomorrow

@@jerameyregimbald2137 It is leagues above my ONKYO. Better build quality. Digital integration is far superior. Handshakes are almost seamless. Audio is way more transparent with no distortion. Im getting steady 4k 120hz with no noticeable drawbacks on the passthrough. The only thing i would change is that it doesn't include Dirac Live, like my onkyo did.

Got a RZ50 2 Weeks ago and replaced it with a Denon 4800...got both receivers for about the same price. I've got to say that just for music, the onkyo sounded better and it's true that the soundstage felt much larger on the onkyo. But with Movies or games the Denon is way better. Not to mention that the denon can handle 4 subs separately, has auro and overall has more options/customization. I like both receivers though

Great advice on that review!

At the original price of $1400 the RZ50 was impossible to beat for value. Now that it is at $1600, it is a bit harder to say.

all that money for garbage amps. and then u look at just processors. and the price is just as absurd.

@@rushgush yeah, this can be an expensive hobby. For most people, most of this stuff doesn't matter. For some, it does. I actually bought the x4800 shortly after I made that comment.i heard the 4800h had much better amps, than the 3800. I still hooked it up to an amp. My 5 bed layers are being powered by the amp and the AVR is powering the 4 height channels. I still can't find many people reviewing it. It seems like a pretty good receiver. I just don't know how it compares to others.

@jerameyregimbald2137 I have bright speakers and am afraid of pairing them with bright sounding 3800h. The Cinema 50 may be a better match. May I ask if you bought the 4800h due to a difference in sound over 3800h?

@@gurjantm I have klipsch speakers currently. When I used Audyssey the speakers didn't seem bright at all. When I used Dirac, They became clearer, more dynamic, with better separation, but they are a lot brighter. I'm going to play around with it to see if I can fix it. I love everything about how DIRAC W/ Multi Sub bass control changed the sound of my speakers, except for making them sound to bright. Some audio sounds very harsh at louder volumes. I applied a Harmon curve to my Dirac filter, and that helped, but I feel like I can do more. The reason I went with the 4800h over the 3800, was the better components. The X4800H has 32-bit processing (called AL32 and HD32 by Denon) which is supposed to provide more precision when processing the audio signal, I believe, and a better AMP. I got myself an Emotiva AMP and I'm running my 5 bed layer speakers through it. I notice no difference in sound quality, or tonality when hooked up to the amp. I do notice it sounds better when I turn it up though, more so than when it was just the AVR. I knew eventually I was going to get this amp, and another one down the road, and eventually use this as a processor only. Also with the addition of the component video input, I thought the 4800 was a better option for me. I never had the 3800, so I don't know if my reasoning is correct. I doubt most people would notice a difference, and aside from occasional switching issues I have, I love the 4800.Unless you need the extras like component video, 1 extra HDMI, extra triggers, more zones, and 20 extra watts the 3800 is the better option for the price. Also, if you don't have the speakers, or the ears, to notice the subtle differences between the two audibly, you're better off getting the 3800, I imagine.

​​@jerameyregimbald2137 hi do you think it is sufficient to run Dirac Live with the provided mic from the receiver box?

The X3800H has support for 11.4. In fact, it can do 5.4.6 unlike the RZ50 and have Auro 3D. Also looks like you can assign whichever pre-out for the external amp unlike the RZ50 which only allows the rear surrounds for 11 ch. Still, I agree the RZ50 is still a better value even at the new $1600 price which includes the Dirac and most people in the USA would be perfectly happy with it. But the X3800H maybe a better buy for those who want a bit more options with their speaker setup. And competition is always good for this market.

And who cares when you have 10 grand worth of speakers if your receiver has a “distorted high end, or crappy highs” like I don’t think any real human will notice the difference

@@bigcwastaken2112 Not if your nit A/Bing the two. Your ears tend to adjust to a different sound.

The RZ50 is very solid in our experience!

Of all the features AVR's have, how it looks is by far the least important. I want the most reliability, then modern codecs, the latest HDMI, and options/pre-outs. Looks and legacy RCA connectors (including TT) is completely unimportant to me.

Glad you find them helpful Edward!

No way to pay $200 for SW tool you can't migrate yourself between the machines. With Sound United moving towards the Dirac, Audyssey is effectively dead imo.

Yeah man, in the Netherlands you can get one for less than €900, it's still a hefty price for audio, but if you're an audiophile and see these specs, it makes it one of the best valued receivers atm imo. If I wanted another Sony receiver capable of at least Dolby Atmos and all HDMI 2.1 features it would cost me about the same or more but has like 0 features compared to this Denon...

Glad to hear it all worked out!

Me too, trust me!! Saved Christmas

I'm considering the RZ 50 along with the others mentioned here. Your independent endorsement is helpful. 👍

This is what I thought too. There is a German blog, where they actually did randomized blind test with very experienced HiFi enthusiasts. Two of them owned High End HiFi shops. They tried primarily cables (spoiler: they could not spot the difference) but they also compared a 650€ Arcam AVR with a 6500€ Stereo amp with an external Power supply (50kg or 100 pounds total of amplification.) They could not here a difference. I think, if the amp is well built, you will not here a difference. The difference you will hear, if you know what is playing, has more to do with the apearence of the devices and the resulting believe/placebo.

As for myself, after 3 years with Denon x3500h, I am still not satisfied with the stereo reproduction. I am willing to make a switch and will audition Marantz cinema line soon. The reason also is, that for me it is also about the design. So e.g. no chance I would ever touch an Onkyo 🙂

Hey there! Always a pleasure.

RE: 4 subs - you might not need them. For our purposes, we rarely even use two because one sub is more than enough.

Thank you, Jason!

@@KristiWright Yeah, I've seen in 100 videos so far but it had a different scale today. I think it may have been a shot down the middle. You guys are killing it! Great stuff!

Glad to hear this video is timely for you!

That's awesome! A great way to give back is by using one of our links provided to you in the description. The cost to you doesn't change but we'll earn a small amount. :)

Just bought 4800 today...will be driving my Klipsch Ref 35 system which had 2 10" subs, rear center,and 2 rears...looking forward to it!

@@timtorkelson7201 It looks great on paper and has good history behind it from the Japanese design team. I hope it delivers the prmised performance in amazing enjoyable sound for you :D

@@timtorkelson7201 how are you liking it so far?

I'm new to this game. Have always enjoyed listening to music through receivers though. Can DIRAC be purchased separately? I have a new Marantz SR6015 that I love, and am still learning. I keep seeing these videos where everyone is raving about it(zDIRAC). But have had several serious audiophiles who do only two channel sound, tell me that it's all about personal preference, and it's not for them,

Not to mention you need a umik 1 or 2 as well so another 140-230 depending on which one you get and the upgrade is 249 for limited bandwidth and 350 for full bandwidth and dlbc is another 500 when it comes out next year

@J i have this reviewer and very impressed so far. I’m looking at an external down the line for front 3. Possible emotive basx3? Gonna have to pay for Dirac to compare as well.

Purchasing Dirac is an option. It's not a necessity. Most will be fine without it.

If you're going to be using either as a preamp/processor, the Denon is maybe the better buy, especially if you're a fan of multiple subwoofers.

That new Marantz aesthetic though..

Thank you so much, Justin! We appreciate you watching.

i have the x1700h and it's great, like really great in a mid-sized room. I bought the x3800h for a larger room and to get the full Atmos experience. The sound is actually not as good as the x1700h. I listened to the x2800h also and that was really not nice sounding. I'm glad I bought the x3800h and it works well to drive all the speakers. But like I said before the x1700h I think is the unsung hero. Its truly brilliant for price to performance

How does the Denon sound compared to the Sony?

Onkyo and Integra share very similar sound profiles. I believe this video will help. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mNdpY8x006m8h2Q.html

@@KristiWright Thank you for the reply. I will check this out. Was just looking into Pioneer and Marantz due to spatial restraints.

If you're only using 2 subs in the front of your room and they are both equal distance from your listening position, do independent sub outputs matter then? Trying to decide if this is a make or break issue for my particular situation. I'm thinking not.

@@user-li2bc3fb1gI guess there would a sort of cheat way for independent controls if you don’t have that feature, but it’s not ideal. When you do manual setup you turn off the opposite subwoofer set the level and distance. Then turn that one off and turn the other one on then adjust the gain on the other sub until it matches the same output of the other sub. Then turn them both on. Like I said, it’s not ideal but it would probably work to get somewhat balanced output from both subs. Might have to run the setup again once the gains are set on both subs to match each others outputs. The receiver may turn them down from what it originally was at since it thinks there is one sub when there is actually two.

If you already own either I wouldn't switch at this time. Thanks for watching!

I'd love to hear this comparison as well.

If you can, I would save up and get an Anthem MRX line of receivers. An Anthem MRX 540 receiver is not cheap, but it will probably get you a better sound with Anthem's room correction. But then I do not own that receiver. I for one would like to go with separates with an Anthem AVM70 or AVM90 and the AVM90 has better DAC than AVM70. By "separates," you will want an external amplifier. What you can do is get something like a BAS-X 5-channel amplifier if your AVR-1712 has pre-outs, but I did some research and your receiver does not have pre-outs at all for connecting to an external amplifier. I hope I can be of help. Good luck on your home theater journey.

Hello, I have been loving my Yamaha rx v3800 for 15 years as well. Was looking to get the x4800h to see if auro 3d /atmos would be a decent upgrade, not more sounds but a better movie experience. My understanding is that a stand alone unit like the x4800h or x3800 won't cut it when all 9 channels are needed during demanding dynamic movies. So, this week I was able to get a open - box denon 3800h for £723 with 2 year warranty. My plan is to use the Yamaha rx-v3800 to power the front 3 (lcr) speakers. And have the Denon power the rest. This will enable me to run a decent 11.4 auro 3d set up that also covers 5.4.4 atmos. I focused on the x4800h because of the difference in the amplifier section but I would still have needed to use an external amplifier. The amplifier section of the x3800 will be more than capable of running all the lesser demanding channels. So spending an extra £600 didn't make sense. I'm excited about having 4 independent subwoofer outputs and the new version of Audyssey xt32, plus all the latest multi-channel options. I have all the extra speakers and denon 3800 here now and plan to get it all set up during the following week. If I don't feel that it's a decent upgrade in my movie experience than I'm happy to return the Denon and stick with the excellent Yamaha rx v3800 with 5.4 (I run 4 subs with a minidsp). What option did you end up with? 👍👍

@@MrOkcyurwin I ended up buying the 4800h. A couple months later I bought a 5 channel Emotiva amp, which I think has 200-250Watts per channel. I don't remember off the top of my head. I'm powering my 5 bed layer speakers with the amp and the 4800 is powering my 4 in ceiling speakers. I have a 5.2.4 setup. I really like the setup for the most part. I get HDMI switching issues occasionally, which are annoying. Also, I got Dirac Live with Multi Sub bass management. It made a big difference in clarity and isolating individual sounds, but it made my speakers sound harsh. I need to play around with it more.

​@@MrOkcyurwingreat choice. I did similar, have arendal 1723s speakers and run fronts woth a poweramp. 3800h powers the rest of the 5.1.4. It sounds massive!! Dirac is a big diff though, I agree with andrew. I made the day!

get the RZ50, i have the integra 5.4 since I couldn't get the rz50 and its excellent. The dirac is awesome too.

You are a 1%'er my friend, those who want the best sound. The AVR's are for the rest of us who are two percenters. those who want the best sound within a budget. Nothing wrong with either.

This is such a relevant question. No one seems to address this on youtube

Arcam is better than Denon and Marantz

@@thomasward00 , really a product made in Vietnam is better the marantz 8805 made in Japan? I hope you’re joking

Thank you, Henry!

Pro tips! Appreciate you sharing.

For those curious, you can check out the 3700 here bit.ly/3apHyLM.