Denon x3800h vs x4800h vs Onkyo rz50 comparison review!

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Denon x3800h vs x4800h vs Onkyo rz50 comparison review!

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Gabriel Tech Reviews

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@GaryWalters 10 ай бұрын

thanks for the detailed review. A note about multiple triggers - The Denon 4800h can independently turn on seperate amplifiers based on input. For inputs used for music, I only trigger my front stage amplifier. For video inputs I trigger all amplifiers. This is useful if you care about wasting energy and leaving your unused amplifier running. This cannot be achieved by a splitter.

@gabrieltechreviews8185 10 ай бұрын

That's a great piece of info. Thank you for sharing the! :)

@seanki 5 ай бұрын

I have an x4800h ordered but after watching a few reviews and this I’m going to get the x3800h instead. I never listen at levels where ASR posted SINAD issues so I don’t see the value spending the extra $. Great review mate, loved the format of the video and good sound and no background music 10/10.

@stephenhay8839 2 ай бұрын

I have the 2800h but pulled the trigger for 4800h when it came on sale, the 4800 brought my 4- ohomh speakers to life, and woke them up!

@gabrieltechreviews8185 2 ай бұрын

Glad to hear you are enjoying it. Thanks for watching!

@chrisharford2610 10 ай бұрын

Purchased the Denon avc-x3800h. Very happy.

@gabrieltechreviews8185 10 ай бұрын

Glad it worked out for you. Still loving mine!

@simplymusic487 Жыл бұрын

I wanted to share my experience with various receivers that I ordered and reviewed: Test System: KEF LS 50 Meta's, B&W STM 72 Series 2 Center Channel, REL 1205 Subwoofer, Bass Transducer 300 watts Marantz NR1711: Initially, I had high hopes for this receiver as Marantz is known for its premium sound quality. However, I was disappointed with the muddied vocals and underwhelming performance. The small form factor was a plus, but the overall feel seemed dated and cheap. Moreover, it lacked dialog enhancement features, which affected the movie-watching experience. As a result, I returned it the very next day. Onkyo TX-NR 6050: The Theatre-Dimensional mode provided decent sound, but other modes felt underpowered. The receiver's build quality felt cheap, and the lack of pre-outs and integrated power cable raised concerns about its overall performance. While it was good for the price, it didn't do justice to my speakers, so I decided to return it. Pioneer VSX-LX 305: I spent considerable time with this receiver, setting up DIRAC and tweaking settings. The sound was good, but it lacked clarity in movie dialogues without the dialog enhancement feature turned on. Despite its strong bass performance, the warmth in the voices somewhat diminished the clarity. Moreover, the absence of pre-outs was a drawback. Nevertheless, I was almost inclined to keep it, especially considering the excellent price and the inclusion of DIRAC Live for free. Denon AVR-X3800H: This receiver impressed me right from the moment I held it-it felt substantial and well-built compared to the others. The sound quality was exceptional, even without running the Audyssey setup. Music playback, like Cold Play's "Viva La Vida," felt as if I were at a concert. The menu interface also appeared more modern compared to the others, though it still had some outdated elements. Audyssey, while not on par with DIRAC in terms of phase matching, is still impressive. While I miss the warmth of the Onkyo, I appreciate the Denon's treble emphasis, making the vocals come alive. However, I did notice that the bass lacked the punch that I could achieve with DIRAC using Harmon Curves. I plan to use the Audyssey mobile app to play around with the curves. The presence of pre-outs, greater power output, and overall better build quality led me to choose the Denon over the other receivers. I hope my experience and reviews help you make an informed decision on which receiver to buy. Each one has its strengths and weaknesses, so it ultimately depends on your preferences and priorities. Good luck with your decision!

@gabrieltechreviews8185 Жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot for sharing this information, it is very useful! I have been playing with the Audyssey PC app and now that you can import curves, it is REALLY getting interesting vs Dirac. I am working a lot between the two before I make a video so that it hopefully offers some valuable information for viewers :)

@simplymusic487 Жыл бұрын

@@gabrieltechreviews8185great I used the phone app for audessey but while the curves match I think it’s the phase matching where Dirac excels. On a separate note I am not happy with either Pioneer/Onkyo or Denon it seems like both have their own problems. Pioneer/Onkyo sound warm but at the expense of details. My speakers sound easy to listen too with Pioneer/Onkyo but also feel more dead and less vibrant. The Denon on the other hand makes my speaker comes alive but vocals lack warmth and sound narrow/pointy. It has bass and treble but more like techno and is missing the mid bass. It has more features too for bass shakers, individual crossovers, pre outs, 4 subwoofers…. But listening to it gets fatigue if after a while. I wish Onkyo could provide both warmth/mid bass and clarity at top end like Denon. Now thinking of trying Onkyo Z50. Andrew in his review said LS 305 sounds exactly like Onkyo , but I am hoping he is wrong - which he often is!

@QDance777 11 ай бұрын

Very good review! Much appreciated

@cometito1980 5 ай бұрын

Have You try yamaha

@simplymusic487 5 ай бұрын

@@cometito1980 the only one I didn’t try…. But tried Sony and happy with it.

@danemoreno88 7 ай бұрын

I have a rz50 and it’s amazing haven’t even used Dirac and it still sounds amazing runs cool no problems whatsoever running right now a 5.1 ran with a fully external parasound amp not using internal amps at all will use them for atmos .4 channels I do really like the 4 independent sub outs on the 3800h though but as far as I’ve seen it’s always been more expensive than the rz50 plus the 350 dollar upgrade for Dirac

@gabrieltechreviews8185 7 ай бұрын

Thanks for your feedback!

@gusvec 10 ай бұрын

Good work! It sounds like the X3800 is a good choice, the RZ50, looks better, but, there're too many bad reviews, Thanks.

@gabrieltechreviews8185 10 ай бұрын

The longer I own the 3800 the happier I am with my decision. Thank you !! :)

@KeithCopeland778 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for a very thorough comparison!

@gabrieltechreviews8185 Жыл бұрын

Thank you as well for watching and commenting. Means a lot! :)

@mauriciob8260 6 ай бұрын

I have also the X3800H , is a excellent receiver .For surround decoder I prefer Auro 3d over original Atmos signal , on AuRO 3D upmixer the bass is more alive and the sound stage is more precise in my opinion and own personal experience , and the reason here in America we feel Auro 3D is not presence in the market is because Dolby have a monopoly on this region , but this going to end in a near future , some big media companies are putting a lot of money in Auro 3d Technology which is way better than Dolby audio offer

@gabrieltechreviews8185 6 ай бұрын

The more I use the 3800 the more I like it. Couldn't be happier with my choice. As far as auro3d, as long as you are not watching Atmos movies using Auro3d, you should be fine. Have you compared movies that have both auro and atmos like twister? I use Atmos for all Atmos native movies and auro3d to upmix non Atmos and both work great that way. Thanks for watching!

@mauriciob8260 6 ай бұрын

look I tell you something , before I owned the Denon X4400H and Auro 3d I didn't like it at all , DTS X was better for me on this receiver than Atmos decoder but on the X3800H oh my gosh Auro 3d is Heaven for me , and yes definitely is my prefer sound decoder over Atmos or Dts X for this receiver and I never experience the issue you have on the Hobbit movie , maybe because you don't use the proper Auro 3d speaker layout @@gabrieltechreviews8185

@AmmoDude 4 ай бұрын

I have both, a Denon in living room (Kilpsch speakers) and an Onkyo in den (AR speakers). I find the Onkyo/AR combination gives a better sound stage, probably due to the smaller room. I find the exact opposite experience with calibration. Denon, if I use the calibration, I am constantly messing with the EQ, Onkyo I do not. Further, on the calibration system of both units, I use it to select speakers and set distance and sound level, not to EQ my system any more; I turn all that crap off after running the program when I connect different speakers or move them around. Of course I can do that manually on both units with a tape measure and sound level program. The room equalization on both units never sound good to my seasoned ears.

@gabrieltechreviews8185 4 ай бұрын

I am only using Dirac with the Denon these days and couldn't be happier. Glad you found the setup that works for you. That is what is all about. :)

@jensdetmering7932 2 ай бұрын

80% of the sound comes from the room. unfortunately, many people underestimate this

@AmmoDude 2 ай бұрын

@@jensdetmering7932 Um, that's a ridiculous statement (80%). Although room acoustics does play a smaller role. Quality of amplifier, speakers, placement and input quality play the major roles. I have many sets/manufacturer of speakers, 7 to be exact, ranging from JBL (3), Klipsch (1), AR (2) and Dana. I get different imaging in the same room with different speakers. In fact, my Dana 2F speakers with Seas tweeters give the best full sound stage. All this "difference" without changing room acoustics.

@BhavikPatelhr Жыл бұрын

Great detail... however, I feel you are biased towards Denon due to multiple subwoofer and directional base managemen. Which is manageable with miniDSP 2X4HD.......onkyo providing lot of more than Denon since time when Denon not offering like All 8K HDMI, inbuilt Dirac, More power output, more control on remote button, Onkyo mobile app has great features, Great bluetooth connectivity than denon and more.......I have Denon x4700h, Marantz SR8015 and RZ50

@gabrieltechreviews8185 Жыл бұрын

Hello. First thanks for watching and commenting. I actually do not even use the directional bass myself as I mentioned in the video but you cannot really do that with the MiniDSP and Onkyo so that is an intriguing feature that only the Denon can do vs the RZ50. I did also talk about the MiniDSP as an option for the Onkyo and multi subs but that still wont get me the clean LFE for my TR platforms which was one of the reasons I wanted to go with the Denon. I actually had the RZ50 longer than the 3800 and if you search AVSFORUM I was recommending it over the 3800 very often based on a few days testing the 3800 back when I got the Onkyo originally. But my needs have changed as well as the fact that Dirac is now a reality with the Denon not just an announcement as it was when I first tried it. Also, with the Denon you get the possibilities of Full bass control for Dirac and maybe even ART. None of those will be happening with the Onkyo. But I did mention and still mention that if you only need one sub output or dont mind using a MiniDSP for multi subs, the RZ50 is a great option still. Just need to also check on those claims of 4ohm speaker issues (I was using amps and my speakers are not 4 ohms so never had issues in that regard). Honestly I dont follow the rest of your message. The more power output well, the difference is minimal and if the 4ohms issues are true, that is some concern for some people. More control remote button? I have plenty of options with the Denon remote including 4 presets. Not sure what is better on the Onkyo remote aside that I liked the shape of the onkyo remote because the Denon feels like my Projector remote so I confuse them sometimes lol I have ZERO issues connecting with Bluetooth with the Denon and the app has many great features too. In fact, for music I prefer the HEOS app over the Onkyo one. I do like the Onkyo browser experience better than the Denon one. The Denon also allows you to set .6 atmos which you cannot do with the Onkyo or more options to manage the built in amps when doing a mix of internal and external amps. So they both have their pros and cons as with any piece of gear. For me, right now, the Denon is a better fit but of course, we are all different and is good to have options and find the one that works best for our needs :) Thanks again for commenting!!

@simplymusic487 Жыл бұрын

@@gabrieltechreviews8185 just to add Denon lacks inbuilt Chromecast. I am one of the few that have KZfaq music and can’t stream to Denon with Google Home using Heos. I also feel Denon is brighter of the two, haven’t tried a Onkyo RZ50 yet, but compared to Pioneer LX 305, Senon is much brighter. It definitely is a different sound signature. I don’t know how good RZ 50 will sound but for me sound is more important then features. Can you cover sound quality a bit more.

@michael-4k4000 Жыл бұрын

I’m going crazy Denon or Onkyo. Dirac, hdmi 2.1, apple air play, Dolby Atmos, Dolby vision (Samsung doesn’t like Dolby Vision). Help!!!!!

@gabrieltechreviews8185 Жыл бұрын

@@michael-4k4000 I dont known if I can offer more help than my comments on the video. In some ways, the Onkyo is the better value since you dont have to buy Dirac BUT if you find a very good price on the 3800h, I like the extra subwoofer outputs and other things I mentioned. It depends on very specific needs and which prices you find for either. Also, if your speakers dig under 4ohms some people say the Onkyo may have issues.

@simplymusic487 11 ай бұрын

@@michael-4k4000 Dirac is good to play with but it won’t make a bad receiver sound good. I tried Pioneer LX 305, Denon 3800H, Onkyo 6050 and Marantz SR 7015. Of all these, in pure features Denon is the best, but I found it harsh/bright compared to others in the list. The Marantz is what I have kept for now, but I don’t think it is my final choice. But of the four tested it was the most musical.

@ZZ-ou7gp 9 ай бұрын

Thanks for taking the time to give an honest well-trialed video on the comparisons of each. I have the x1700H, and the sound is great, whether in 7.1 or 5.1.2. Denon makes great AVRs. They are well built and they have a tried and tested electronics base, which Onkyo can't match. I had an Onkyo RZ50, and I just ran into too many issues too many times. For value for money, RZ50 is probably the best, but for reliability and great all-round sound, Denons work well for me. If Onkyo can make better products where reliability is rock solid, Denon would be trouble for sure. Until then, I prefer the Denon all day long.

@gabrieltechreviews8185 9 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing your feedback. I had onkyo before then Denon then Back to Onkyo with the rz50 and finally back to Denon. I feel the stability of the 3800h has been way better than the 6 or so months I had with the rz50

@ZZ-ou7gp 9 ай бұрын

@@gabrieltechreviews8185 thanks again for time on this. Much appreciated ☺️

@ZZ-ou7gp 8 ай бұрын

I have just bought the x3800h on black Friday deal based on your review, hopefully have it in a few days. It will go into a bigger room for general media use.

@htenthusiast2897 Жыл бұрын

This is a great comparison and despite the price difference in the end like you mentioned, it’s about the one that brings the best overall value independent of cost.

@gabrieltechreviews8185 Жыл бұрын

Exactly right! And thank you so much for the kind words :)

@stefanedstrom9993 11 ай бұрын

Fantastic summary! Subscribed and can't wait to see the comparison Dirac vs Audyssey Multi Q X. One question; How do you get the Dirac Bass Control on the Denon X3800H? I can't really get to figure it out 🙂

@gabrieltechreviews8185 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for the kind words!! I am coordinating with a friend to come over so we can have two opinions plus one can sort of blind test the other too. :) I have not seen the full bass control yet for the 3800h. I think the onkyo rz70 recently got it I am more holding my breath for ART though lol I will update as soon as I hear anything about the bass control foe the 3800h Thanks for the comment and sub. Means a lot!!!

@jensdetmering7932 2 ай бұрын

Great video - do you also have ONLY the pre-amp (with external power amps)? I'm very interested in that.

@Goose_Lord 6 ай бұрын

Great review. Looking forward to your thoughts on audessey vs dirac

@gabrieltechreviews8185 6 ай бұрын

Hi. I made a short video about those during Black Friday. I hope it gives you some useful info. Thanks a lot :)

@Doughny 11 ай бұрын

nice review. The Denon is like almost 50% cheaper here than the rz50 . So the choice is easy for me. I am curious about your comparison between DIRAC and audeze for music.

@gabrieltechreviews8185 11 ай бұрын

Thank you. I am planning to have a HT fan friend over for that so that we have two opinions :)

@effie4903 10 ай бұрын

Ended up ordering a X4800 for $1,399. Hope it works out...

@gabrieltechreviews8185 10 ай бұрын

Great price. Let me know how it works out. 👍

@TomlinsonHolman52583 10 ай бұрын

Where did you find the X4800H for $1,399?

@gabrieltechreviews8185 10 ай бұрын

@BookOfSkelos it was from a dealer. Not sure what price he can do right now. I saw adorama had it for $1400 foe a brief time as a well

@ack120 Жыл бұрын

Thank you. You should do more reviews.

@gabrieltechreviews8185 Жыл бұрын

Thanks you and yes I'm working on my next batch now. Hopefully I can get more info a rhythm :)

@MiccaPhone 10 ай бұрын

Did I hear that right? You compared these receivers using external(!) amplifier? Then what's the point?

@DellaroyEngineering 2 ай бұрын

I agree. Why did he compare like this?

@Geenbullshit 11 ай бұрын

I have would seen a comparison in al 32 processing sound in the review from the 4800 vs non on the 3800. I have the 3800 before the 4700 and always have thinking that the sound from the 4700 was very good. But thinking is not testing with facts. I am happy with the 3800 but still wondering if the 4800 is truly better in sound.

@gabrieltechreviews8185 11 ай бұрын

I would suggest grabbing one from Store with a good return policy so you don't have to live with that doubt but I bet 99% chances you will keep the 3800 :)

@onuponedown 11 ай бұрын

@@gabrieltechreviews8185 can confirm that, I had the 6700, the pma-1700ne amp and now use a 3800h. No meaningful difference in regard to al32 imho.

@gabrieltechreviews8185 11 ай бұрын

@@onuponedown excellent. Thanks for sharing your experience!!

@rippedgeek 11 ай бұрын

Great video, thanks!

@gabrieltechreviews8185 11 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot :)

@chrissheldrick4073 24 күн бұрын

Hey there thanks for the review.... You look and sound like Jean Claude Van Damme

@gabrieltechreviews8185 24 күн бұрын

@@chrissheldrick4073 hahaha I will take that for sure 😅 thank you for watching and commenting:)

@user-kv3ue5fp4c 21 күн бұрын

Can someone please help me with questions I have about my new Denon X2800 and the upmixing modes with a 5.1 setup?

@gabrieltechreviews8185 20 күн бұрын

I dont have that model but maybe I, or one of the viewers can offer some advice. I was looking at this: manuals.denon.com/AVRX2800H/EU/EN/DRDZSYyrtgycpw.php

@user-kv3ue5fp4c 20 күн бұрын

@@gabrieltechreviews8185 Thank you. I will post my questions as soon as possible.

@user-kv3ue5fp4c 20 күн бұрын

@@gabrieltechreviews8185 Hello Again. Here's the issue: I am only running a simple 5.1 setup with a new Denon X2800 - which pretty much functions like a 3800 - and the only source that's connected to the receiver is a Panasonic UHD Blu-ray player via HDMI. When we watch discs with 5.1 soundtracks, the Denon automatically engages either the Dolby Surround upmixer (for Dolby sources) or the DTS Neural:X upmixer (for DTS sources). Now, I could switch to the direct sound modes for those signals, such as Dolby Digital, Dolby TrueHD, DTS, DTS-HD, etc., but I leave them engaged so two channel soundtracks, whether mono or stereo, are automatically steered properly into the center and other appropriate channels. If I DON'T leave the upmixers on, I would have to press the green button on the remote every time I switch discs and need to use the upmixer for a stereo/2.0 channel track. Now, I'm concerned that the upmixers are doing something or changing something when I use them with regular 5.1 soundtracks - but I'm not sure because there's nothing to "upmix" when using a 5.1 channel system and listening to a 5.1 channel soundtrack. Do you see what I'm asking? Do these upmixers alter the sound of 5.1 tracks when engaged on a 5.1 system, or are they ignored because there are no speakers to "upmix" to? Also -- how does leaving the Speaker Virtualizer on in the setup menu affect the Dolby Surround/DTS Neutral X upmixers, if at all? I know this setting is for creating a pseudo Atmos effect with a 5.1 system, but does it directly affect the upmixers when engaged? We have in ceiling surround speakers (for normal 5.1 surround), so should I be using the Virtualizer at all?

@jensdetmering7932 2 ай бұрын

Have you also tested "Dirac Multi Bass Control" against your manual calibration with the MiniDSP? Does Dirac perhaps do this even better? I currently have 4 subwoofers manually calibrated with the MiniDSP + REW on my Yamaha A4A and would like to know if Dirac is worth it.

@gabrieltechreviews8185 2 ай бұрын

Hi. I actually have not because of how involved my setup is with all my TR devices, sorry.

@arielrodriguez6980 11 күн бұрын

Did you prefer Dirac or XT32?

@gabrieltechreviews8185 11 күн бұрын

@@arielrodriguez6980 I prefer Dirac. I have a short video about it too :) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/msdnkryUsru4o3k.html Thanks

@ralebhatyogesh 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for the great comaprison. I am currently deciding between Denon X3700H, X3800H and Onkyo TX-RZ50 and this is the exact video that I needed :). I have Bowers & Wilkins 606 S2 (L/R), HTM6 S2 (C) and 607 S2 (Surround) speakers. The B&W S2 series speakers are on brighter side. I am thinking to buy Denon X3800H but I frequently come across forums/comments where they mention that the sound from Denon is on brighter side. And this keeps me thinking that the combination of my B&W's speakers and Denon X3800H will be very bad. I really like X3800H from its specification side but as I am not sure how it will sound from my speakers. So I keep looking for other brands like marantz. But similarly spec marantz Cinema 50 costs way more than X3800H and my current budget doesn't allow that. (If marantz Cinema 50 is really the one I should purchase for my bright speakers, I will wait for some time until budget allows) What are your thoughts if I go with X3800H and B&W 606 S2 series combo?

@gabrieltechreviews8185 11 ай бұрын

That is great to hear. Let me know which one you pick and how you like it:)

@ralebhatyogesh 11 ай бұрын

@@gabrieltechreviews8185 Definitely! I will share my experience once I have used it for few days or weeks maybe. You might have missed my question in the long comment though🙂. My question: People say X3800H is bright. I already have B&W 600 S2 series speakers which are on bright side. Do you think X3800H and B&W 600 S2 series speakers will be a bad combination? Should I go with any other av receiver that can dial down the trebel of my speakers? Thanks!

@gabrieltechreviews8185 11 ай бұрын

@ralebhatyogesh yes sorry I didn't see a MORE under the comment so I missed a lot :) Honestly, yes the Marantz tends to be warmer but not my cup of tea. I feel that when you run the calibration you have so much potential to tweak things to your liking, even more if using Dirax or the PC app for Audyssey, that I personally wouldn't be concerned about your speakers not being a good match. That's just my opinion of course :)

@MrGfunk215 11 ай бұрын

Try Anthem! They’re hard to beat For the $$ and I wouldn’t consider them in the “premium” price category

@gabrieltechreviews8185 11 ай бұрын

@MrGfunk215 foe my needs that Tactile Transucer output of the Denon's are a must have and IF we get ART support that would be even more exciting bit not holding my breath on that last one. Thanks for the recommendation, though

@Boostlagg 9 ай бұрын

4800 has a better DAC and a much more stout amp section

@gabrieltechreviews8185 9 ай бұрын

Yes on paper it has higher specs but at a level that it can be measured not heard. Have you compared them aide by side?

@subadheena382 2 ай бұрын

Good morning from Melbourne, After watched your video I bought new Denon 3800 yesterday. I am setting up now. I watched your media player video also. Past I was using Onkyo TXNR 636 + Firetv 4KMAX for Netflix, Prime and VLC player for downloaded 4K Atmos Content. Now I am upgrading Receiver and adding 4 ceiling speakers for Auro3D I need your suggestion do I need to upgrade VLC to PLEX and FireTV 4K MAX to NVidia Shield Pro to get Atmos and Auro3D ? My confusion is When Denon AVR has all features VLC and FireTV pass through Audio then what is the need of Plex and Nvidia. Kindly Reply

@gabrieltechreviews8185 2 ай бұрын

That is awesome. Let me know how you like it please :)

@subadheena382 2 ай бұрын

@@gabrieltechreviews8185Thanks for reply please clear my confusion

@gabrieltechreviews8185 2 ай бұрын

@@subadheena382 you are very welcome

@donjaun540 11 ай бұрын

I was hoping for the extra money the 4800 would have had Dirac installed and balanced outputs.

@gabrieltechreviews8185 11 ай бұрын

Yeah they really needed something stronger for all the extra money vs the 3800

@roland2371 Ай бұрын

Hi which is more better for music the 3800h or Rz50,,thanks

@gabrieltechreviews8185 Ай бұрын

@@roland2371 you know, after calibration I don't think you will go wrong with either for music. Hard to tell differences imo so that wouldn't be something I would use to pick between them personally

@roland2371 Ай бұрын

@@gabrieltechreviews8185 thanks a lot..

@GAVhometheatreguide8226 Жыл бұрын

Hair I am from India I am a proud owner of the 3800 , but the problem I face is that even after powering down the zone 2 is still on which really pisses me off, can you help me with this?? More over what is your Parker configuration mine is 5.1.4, and I love auro 3D

@gabrieltechreviews8185 Жыл бұрын

I don't use zone 2 so not sure about that. I will check to see what I can find out I only use Auro3d for movies with Auro3d tracks or sometimes tor music. I don't usr it for Atmos because of what I explained in the video. I run 7.1.4 :) Thanks!!!

@Miller-EE 2 ай бұрын

I have a 7.4.4 system today. 4 subs (actually 3 and 1 sofa kicker) and 4 Atmos ceiling speakers. Everything except for the kickers are from SVS. My "old" Anthem MRX 1120 was in an accident and has to be trashed. I wasn't ready to spend anything close to the current Anthem MRX 1140 so I started to look around. Apart from the receiver I have an external 3 channel power amp for the fronts and the center. So can you please confirm that the X3800H and the X4800H are able to give me a "full 7.4.4 experience" with the hardware I already have? Keep in mind I still want to use the 3 ch power amp for the front and the center speakers (large ones from SVS). Basically then I would need to be able to setup which channels to activate the built in amplifier in the Denons in. Is this possible?

@gabrieltechreviews8185 2 ай бұрын

Yes you can set the 3channel amp for LCR and then assign the rest of internal amps to your other speakers. The flexibility of the 3800h is great in that regard. Also, since you have 3 subs and a kicker you can take advantage of making the 4th LFE channel a transducer output so if you like, for a clean signal to your shaker without any of the EQ applied to the subs. It should work great for you!

@Miller-EE 2 ай бұрын

@@gabrieltechreviews8185 First of all, wow, that's a quick response!! Thanks a lot for putting time in responding. Also creds for your straight forward, authentic and very personal review and thoughts in your video. It is, without exaggerating, a very rare sight on KZfaq these days. Back to the topic... :) I've used Anthems "ARC" calibrating software which is very sophisticated and the setup itself is awesome with their PC Software. But I think the results have been pretty darn bad, atleast in my dedicated "cinema" room in the basement. With that said... 1) Do you think Audyssey will be able to calibrate down to the ~16hz that my SVS-SB16's are able to produce? Does it have the same functions as a dedicated external DSP has? Note: I've been using "Dspeaker" but have had issues with disturbances in those devices, and I cant recommend it. 2) Did you listen to the X3800H and X4800H back to back? No major difference in sound quality? I fully agree with you, I really dont want to spend that extra money if there is not very obvious advantage. They can say anything about their fancy signal processing etc, but it needs to be CLEARLY proven.

@simplymusic487 Жыл бұрын

I bought Pioneer LSX 305 which has Dirac built in. Right now 3800h is on sale and I can return pioneer. Purely from sound qaility standpoint is it worth paying $300 more for the Denon?

@gabrieltechreviews8185 Жыл бұрын

Well, from the perspective of only sound quality, I wouldn't expect anything noticeable, to be honest. I haven't played with thr Piooners though. Still for $300 I would love to have the extras like individually adjustable crossovers, 4 suboutput, etc. But if the features you have right now are working fine for you, then I would just save the $300 unless you have more than 2 Subs and no MiniDSP. Thanks for watching

@simplymusic487 Жыл бұрын

@@gabrieltechreviews8185 I have 3 speakers and 1 sub and 1 bass transducer. I have the bass kicker attached to lFE out from the sub and it works pretty ok and I have a remote for it for volume adjust. The timing is a bit off. But nothing that bothers me. The thing is even though I spend $1500 on speakers KEF LS50 Meta and Bower and Wilkins Center Channel for $600, and $750 on reviver which is same as Onkyo 7100 and is essentially TX-RZ50 without pre outs. I am not wowed by the sound. It’s good but a $500 system can do similar quality, spending more then $2k I expect more. So was thinking would upgrading the AVR change the experience fundamentally?

@gabrieltechreviews8185 Жыл бұрын

@@simplymusic487 Somehow I missed this message but based on todays message if looks like you found the AVR you wanted with the 3800h! :) I just went FULL Preamp mode on mine by adding an oldie but goodie Parasound 855 amp for my atmos!

@JonMoralesLA Жыл бұрын

I would say YES! I had the 305 and it was great but I then went with the Denon 3800 and it’s worth it. I paid way more so take advantage of the sales. I also purchased Dirac Live upgrade also so we are comparing apples to apples. I’m not a fan of Audyssey. Too much screwing around to get a result I’m not even all that excited about. Dirac Live just works much better to my ears and that’s specifically on the 3800 I’m referring to. The 3800 with preouts is ready to go to be paired with some external amplification which I think is a must upgrade to work towards if your receiver has preouts. With amplification it really improves dynamics and brings out a clarity I found lacking without amplification. I think the Denon 3800 is one of the best bangs for your buck now that it’s seeing significant discounts.

@simplymusic487 Жыл бұрын

@@JonMoralesLA problem with Denon for me is that the sound is too bright. While it makes me hear instruments that I can’t hear with Pioneer 305, I still feel make voices lack mid bass and warmth to vocals. So for me it becomes fatigue listening to it. Now planning to buy Onkyo TX-Z50 to see if it fairs any better.

@BaxxterBTC 10 ай бұрын

How does it play in stereo? 4800H

@gabrieltechreviews8185 10 ай бұрын

I found both 4800h and 3800h as good for music listening with my speakers. I preferred both over the rz50 for music

@824tonimarie 2 ай бұрын

RZ50 all the way!

@gabrieltechreviews8185 2 ай бұрын

Thanks

@donjaun540 11 ай бұрын

I wonder 🤔 how much does Dirac cost to add on?

@gabrieltechreviews8185 11 ай бұрын

$350 for the full bandwidth one

@ozguradam12 Жыл бұрын

Hi, I bought a 5.1.2 system with Klipsch brand speakers. Klipsch rp-6000f, rp-500c, rp-402s, r-121sw, rp-500sa. I bought a denon avc-x3800h. I read that Denon and Klipsch are incompatible. Do I need to replace the 3800 with rz 50? (I will only use the system for home theater)

@gabrieltechreviews8185 Жыл бұрын

Incompatible? I never heard of that and can't think of any reason for that to be the case. Where did you read that? I would like to read what the arguments are. Thanks for watching!

@ozguradam12 Жыл бұрын

@@gabrieltechreviews8185 Both Denon and Klipsch produced Bright sound. Bright: High-frequency emphasis. Harmonics are strong relative to fundamentals. Is this information correct?

@gabrieltechreviews8185 Жыл бұрын

@ozguradam12 honestly that is an exaggeration from whoever is claiming that. Yes, klipsch is known to be on the bright side, specially older models but with audussey and adjusting your curves you can tame them if you feel they are too bright. If you wanted a "warmer" avr that would be a Marantz instead. I'm not a Klipsch fan myself, but I doubt you will have issues with the 3800 if you like the Klipsch sound to begin with

@JonMoralesLA Жыл бұрын

Agreed that the idea they are incompatible is a bit ridiculous. Plenty of people have Klipsch speakers with Denon/Marantz receiver.

@gabrieltechreviews8185 Жыл бұрын

@@JonMoralesLA exactly

@djenk12345 7 ай бұрын

the Dac and chips in the 4800h should be worse then the 3800h i read.

@gabrieltechreviews8185 7 ай бұрын

Where did you read that? The 4800 was supposed to have better dac but in the real world, it was negligible

@djenk12345 7 ай бұрын

@@gabrieltechreviews8185 I saw it on a video on youtube, where one testet it and he said the noise level was higher on the 4800h when measured. But i cant find that video anymore and all test videos of the 4800h does not exsist like denon dont want us to know it maybe becourse of chip shortage in corana time ? i dont know but i know i saw that video. that may or may be true but it seemed legit

@michael-4k4000 Жыл бұрын

Onkyo for me bud! Rz50 destroys competition…..

@gabrieltechreviews8185 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! :)

@ScotMatheson 7 ай бұрын

My RZ 50 has been in the shop for six months

@danemoreno88 7 ай бұрын

@@ScotMathesonfeel bad for people like you I’ve never had a single problem with any onkyo avr I’ve ever purchased even during the hdmi board problems that plagued them for years

@mark17840 6 ай бұрын

j have the onkyo RZ 50 YOU ARE SO RIGHT RZ 50 DESTROYS THE COMPETITON ANY WAY YOU SEE I JUST LOVE THE ONKYO RZ 50 IS A EXCELLENT RECEIVER,

@Barleyleg 4 ай бұрын

You must have the one that works. 🤷

@libation14221 Жыл бұрын

Big price point differential between them. Not an apples to apples comparison.

@gabrieltechreviews8185 Жыл бұрын

Keep in mind that the 3800h has been sold a few times at $999 from another store even though the 4800h is the one more expensive, I picked the 3800 or rz50 depending on needs. If I were choosing the 4800h, I would agree about the price difference being a factor. Thanks for watching.

@dragosdobre9479 Жыл бұрын

@libation14221 If you're talking about the X3800H vs the X4800H I don't think it's meant to be an apples to apples comparison. I think the question to be asked is "Is the Denon X4800H worth 60% more money than the X3800H?". I would love the X4800H (I'm upgrading from the X1600H bought new for $400 in 2020), but I'm not sure the X4800H brings enough to the table for $2.200 vs the $1.300 for the X3800H (these are the prices in Romania). If the X4800H would have had 13 processed channels, I would go with the X4800H, no doubt. Taking into account I'm thinking of using external amplification at some point, I guess the X4800H doesn't make sense for my use case. From what I read the benefit of the X4800H is that "each amplifier module is on a separate board and uses more components which are also higher quality" so the "new monolithic amplifier design in the X4800H can result in better dynamics and better separation (or lack of crosstalk) between the channels. It can ultimately lead to a cleaner sound in favor of the X4800H." Also the X4800H has a bit more power (125W vs 105W), but again, if you're thinking of using external amps, this doesn't matter. I'm sure there are other differences as well. I have to keep investigating before I buy in a month or two, but that's why I'm watching videos like this.

@gabrieltechreviews8185 Жыл бұрын

@@dragosdobre9479 Thats part of the idea. Apples to Apples will technically never happen unless you are comparing the same item :D The idea was showing 3 options, one higher priced to see if it was worth spending extra. To me, I did not see the advantage thus I picked the 3800h like you. Regards

@dashagogle 28 күн бұрын

@@dragosdobre9479 что купили в итоге?