Anne Applebaum, "How History Writes the Present: A Conversation"

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Russian and Eurasian Studies at Mason

Russian and Eurasian Studies at Mason

Күн бұрын

Part of George Mason University's "Russia's War on Ukraine in Historical Perspective"
A conversation between Anne Applebaum and Steve Barnes focusing on how she uses history to understand Russia's war on Ukraine.
Anne Applebaum has built a career over the past 25 years as a wide-ranging public intellectual--a renowned popular historian of Ukraine, eastern Europe, and the Soviet Union and a highly-respected columnist and staff writer focused on politics not only in eastern Europe but also in the United States. How is her historical research reflected in her writing on current events? How does her work on the history of the Gulag, the Sovietization of eastern Europe, or the Holodomor inform her understanding of Russia's criminal war on Ukraine? Applebaum will answer these questions and many more in a wide-ranging and open conversation and q&a about how history writes the present.
Anne Applebaum is a staff writer for The Atlantic and a Pulitzer-prize winning historian. She is also a Senior Fellow at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies and the Agora Institute, where she co-directs Arena, a program on disinformation and 21st century propaganda. In addition to her voluminous writings in publications including The Atlantic, The Washington Post, The New Yorker, Foreign Affairs, and many others, she is the author of Gulag: A History winner of the 2004 Pulitzer Prize for non-fiction, Iron Curtain: The Crushing of Eastern Europe, 1944-1956, and Red Famine: Stalin's War on Ukraine. Applebaum's newest book is Twilight of Democracy: The Seductive Lure of Authoritarianism.
Anne Applebaum was interviewed by Steven Barnes, Director of the Program in Russian and Eurasian Studies and Associate Professor in the Department of History and Art History at George Mason University. He is the series organizer and teaches and researches broadly on the history of the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union, modern Russia, Kazakhstan, and the other independent countries from this imperial space.

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@sorational
@sorational Жыл бұрын
Amazing conversation! As a random Ukrainian, I have lost 2 relatives in the famine, just for you to understand the scale of that event.
@AlexanderReef
@AlexanderReef Жыл бұрын
Ann's perspective of history is based on her deep understanding of Eastern European history and politics. No wonder she is such an interesting person to listen to. Thanks!
@MaryannT
@MaryannT Жыл бұрын
Thank you Ann for all this discourse that you brought out, and thank you team for keeping these series open and interesting, even for me as Ukrainian now abroad from my home country.
@hisnibs1121
@hisnibs1121 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant! Really interesting and thought provoking. What an informed, perceptive and articulate speaker Anne Applebaum is, and Steve Barnes' questions were great at prompting and guiding the discussion. Thanks from the UK to Steve, Anne and George Mason University for providing such valuable and engaging content for free!
@gauravpandey10
@gauravpandey10 Жыл бұрын
Thanku Anne for providing such indepth knowledge of Ukraine Russia relation Especially about famines in Ukraine. It was a very informative conversation
@mikeklein4949
@mikeklein4949 Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@achenarmyst2156
@achenarmyst2156 Жыл бұрын
As a politically interested, historical layperson this was a great lesson for me. Thank you so much Steve for your precisely directed questions and to Anne for sharing her profound knowledge. For me as a German it was moving to hear from both of you about your emotional participation in the falling of the Berlin Wall. From a German perspective I very much support your views that fearless confrontation with the horrors and atrocities your country commited is a necessary prerequisite to open up the perspective of a more humane and globally cooperative future. In addition I would find it interesting for the future to discuss the implications of this devastating war for our chances to successfully deal with climate change which already today causes millions of premature deaths.
@George-2115
@George-2115 Жыл бұрын
If I took your entire comment and merely replaced "German" with "Pole", that would be a statement I could make on my behalf and fully endorse. I know Ukrainians and Russians who could do the same. We have had quite a history. In retrospect, it is only natural that it is the Ukrainians who are playing the key role in helping the rest of us to get over our imperialist past and to move on to a better future. I hope that soon we can all start to meet in the cafes and bars of Ukraine, to shake hands, to continue the discussion, and to pay back a bit of our debt as we enjoy a safer world.
@kondorviktor
@kondorviktor Жыл бұрын
@@George-2115 Definitely. Some Poles nowadays think the Putyinist regime is equal to the Hungarian nation. Now, bratanki, rest assured, we are not. In the hope we can get that cup of coffe in Kijiv or Krivij Rih together, greeti gs from Wales.
@George-2115
@George-2115 Жыл бұрын
@@kondorviktor No, certainly *not* equal, and not the nation! Orban, his party, and their control of the media have however managed to hide from many Hungarians just how far he and his strategic plan to depend on cheap Russian gas have caused Hungary to diverge from Europe. I'm not a fan of the anti-democratic turn in Poland either (even though being soft on Putin was never a danger there). It's weird, I have Hungarian friends who are perfectly clear headed about this. Then I meet others who claim that "Zelenskyy is a Gypsy", and that "Ukraine is abusing its Hungarian minority". I don't know if that's coming to them directly from Russian sources or via Hungary, but it's very strange (I'm in Canada).
@kondorviktor
@kondorviktor Жыл бұрын
@@George-2115 Well, the language act of Ukraine is not soft on minorities. Two assumptions here: it was aiming the Russian speakers, not the very small amount of Hungarians. And it was before the Zelensky era. This idea, that this law was aiming Hungarians, is promoted in that state media, probablly a home born idea, not imported, I guess. Here in the UK there are way more Polish than us.
@achenarmyst2156
@achenarmyst2156 Жыл бұрын
@@George-2115 A very nice reply and a beautiful amendment. Thx.
@peterdollins3610
@peterdollins3610 Жыл бұрын
Thank you both for your knowledge & efforts.
@joycebell6912
@joycebell6912 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this podcast. It has been enlightening…..
@teddited9682
@teddited9682 Жыл бұрын
I’m such a huge fan of Anne Applebaum!
@moscownevereversleeps
@moscownevereversleeps Жыл бұрын
Poor thing you are!
@Aussie-Mocha
@Aussie-Mocha Жыл бұрын
@@moscownevereversleeps Sad that you deny history!
@moscownevereversleeps
@moscownevereversleeps Жыл бұрын
@@Aussie-Mocha Sad you admire a Ukrainian fascist Bandera who was paid by Hitler for killing innocent Poles and Jews in Ukraine.
@Aussie-Mocha
@Aussie-Mocha Жыл бұрын
@@moscownevereversleeps Read what you wrote out loud! Wonder if you can actually prove it? 🤔🤷🏻‍♂️
@moscownevereversleeps
@moscownevereversleeps Жыл бұрын
@@Aussie-Mocha сan you refute my words?
@bennyk3799
@bennyk3799 Жыл бұрын
Such a great discussion.... I like how you just let Anne talk...
@lw1zfog
@lw1zfog Жыл бұрын
‘.... how you just let Anne propagandise ...’ there you go, all sorted.
@frankshifreen
@frankshifreen Жыл бұрын
Anne Applebaum is a national -international treasure
@lw1zfog
@lw1zfog Жыл бұрын
😂🤦🏽‍♂️🥴
@moscownevereversleeps
@moscownevereversleeps Жыл бұрын
Why isn't she being kept in Fort Nox then?
@whitepanties2751
@whitepanties2751 Жыл бұрын
Interesting and thought provoking, although the verbose introduction tediously takes up the first 8 minutes, so best to skip ahead to 8.00 minutes when the interview really begins. The leading historian of the Soviet Union, the very interesting Prof. Stephen Kotkin in his biography of Stalin rejects Anne Applebaum's argument that the Ukrainian famine of the early 1930s was caused deliberately to break Ukraine's capacity to resist. He sees it as part of the general economic disaster of collectivization of agriculture throughout the USSR, that put political ideology and political control above economic efficiency through markets and the profit motive. I respect both Kotkin and Applebaum, and do not know which of them to follow on this question.
@MrDikini
@MrDikini Жыл бұрын
Both. Thee famine due to collectivisation gave the opportuninity for the punitive famine in Ukraine.
@mickigarvey7608
@mickigarvey7608 Жыл бұрын
What a privilege to listen to this most informative discussion. Thanks 🙏 so much. And, SLAVA UKRAINI. ❤️🇬🇧🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
@teddited9682
@teddited9682 Жыл бұрын
Wait- western Ukraine was all Austro-Hungary! My family fled during WWII…a LOT of the Ukrainian diaspora is from Western Ukraine. We have an important influence on the idea of being Ukrainian… huge difference between Ukrainian language not influenced by Russia!!!
@hereigoagain5050
@hereigoagain5050 Жыл бұрын
The family of my 6th grade teacher was part of that diaspora. She would go off script and talk about Ukrainian history and nationalism. Us shitlings were, "Huh! Will this be on the exam?"
@danielhutchinson6604
@danielhutchinson6604 Жыл бұрын
the CIA efforts to support Bandera Followers as they employed ex Nazi Soldiers to work inside Ukraine were no so successful at first. They appear to have adjusted somewhat and the BBC video about the Hitler Youth Summer camps, inWestern Ukraine, indicate they may have figured out how to make it work? The content of Turks, Greeks, Tatars and Russians over the years appear to provide a lovely mixture of cultural enrichment? The fact that Russians, since WW2 were and are a large group of Donbas Citizens, appears to be missing from most western dialog?
@jankowalyk7301
@jankowalyk7301 Жыл бұрын
Great conversation.
@hereigoagain5050
@hereigoagain5050 Жыл бұрын
Love how Anne weaves the weft of current events around the warp of history to create a tapestry of insights. She is such an effective communicator that her audience thinks, "I knew that."
@Asptuber
@Asptuber Жыл бұрын
LOL at the subtle shade towards Poroshenko at around 57:00 ;-)
@mikeklein4949
@mikeklein4949 Жыл бұрын
We blew it in not demonstratng determination to resist autocractic bullies by allowing Putin's siezure of Crimea.
@dougm3016
@dougm3016 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Steve, thank you Anne. Most interesting. Slava 🇺🇦
@StewartChaimson
@StewartChaimson Жыл бұрын
I don't see the links you said would be in the comments; also, looking for the link for the place to make donations you mention.
@elspeth8476
@elspeth8476 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for doing this! Yes, a better Russia and a free Ukraine are so important to the world!
@paulschrum4727
@paulschrum4727 3 ай бұрын
I disagree with Anne @9:58 (and following 10 seconds). The US and GB were sending defensive weapons, especially Javelins and NLAW's as fast as they could fly them there starting in late January 2022 precisely because they thought Ukraine had a chance. Yes, we were skeptical (evidenced by Biden's offer to get Zelenskyy out of Kiev), but we had been training them for years, and we wanted to give them what they needed to fight back because we knew they would fight back.
@hereigoagain5050
@hereigoagain5050 Жыл бұрын
Steve's brilliant insight: "Russia needs to lose the war for Russia." Footnote: the Holodomor was also part of Stalin's industrialization plan by trading grain (and Ukrainian lives) for machinery. Mao modeled his Great Leap Forward that killed some 30 million on the Holodomor.
@joycebell6912
@joycebell6912 Жыл бұрын
Starvation is A very painful and long drawn out experience you bet they remembered that……..
@pincetczy
@pincetczy Жыл бұрын
Seriously, guys. Change the intro music. You’re talking about dead serious stuff with the background music suited for advertising toothpaste or holiday in the Caribbean.
@galanis38
@galanis38 Жыл бұрын
Lots of historical misinformation here...
@fegeleindux3471
@fegeleindux3471 Жыл бұрын
I’m a Pole and yeah her husband was minister of foreign affairs and at that time he was pro Russia to the point that he wanted the Russian Federation in NATO but switched immediately only because Obama said so (he was secretly recorded saying that “we now must leave our strategic partnership with Russia and suck America’s cock” and that phrase costed him the ministerial position. He is also the same idiot who in a tweet recently thanked the US for blowing up the Nord Stream 2 pipeline ( yeah a true diplomat who can’t even maintain an international secret without celebrating it on social media)
@kristJ25
@kristJ25 Жыл бұрын
How I guessed an American woman hates Putin😅🤣🤣
@st3v3bant0n
@st3v3bant0n Жыл бұрын
History is written by the historians and no historian is impartial or objective. Applebaum lets her hatred of Russia shape how she views the past. Still, she can talk up a good war. Perhaps, for the historical record, the last Ukrainian will let us know whether it was all worth it.
@fegeleindux3471
@fegeleindux3471 Жыл бұрын
I’m a Pole and yeah her husband was minister of foreign affairs and at that time he was pro Russia to the point that he wanted the Russian Federation in NATO but switched immediately only because Obama said so (he was secretly recorded saying that “we know must leave our strategic partnership with Russia and suck America’s cock” and that phrase costed him the ministerial position. He is also the same idiot who in a tweet recently thanked the US for blowing up the Nord Stream 2 pipeline ( yeah a true diplomat who can’t even maintain an international secret without celebrating it on social media)
@chrisfreebairn870
@chrisfreebairn870 9 ай бұрын
Impartial & objective you say .. then declare her fatally biased by hatred .. projecting much? And, the last Ukrainian? You do understand don't you that Russia is intent on exactly that outcome .. to destroy Ukraine as a thing .. as in anyone and anything that insists on being Ukrainian, rather than the little subservient Russians Putin has declared them to be. You are a troll or a fool, regurgitating Russian propaganda perspectives.
@frankshifreen
@frankshifreen Жыл бұрын
Steve is somehow equating Ukrainian defense of their history with Russian creation of false narrative
@moscownevereversleeps
@moscownevereversleeps Жыл бұрын
Bandera-inspired propaganda by Applebaum as usual.
@Aussie-Mocha
@Aussie-Mocha Жыл бұрын
Coming from a fascist! Pregozhin loves you 😈 He would gladly let you die for Ruzzia .
@moscownevereversleeps
@moscownevereversleeps Жыл бұрын
@@Aussie-Mocha Bandera was a fascist, keep it in mind!
@lw1zfog
@lw1zfog Жыл бұрын
@@Aussie-Mocha oh dear, oh dear. how awfully embarrassing for you ! 😂
@Aussie-Mocha
@Aussie-Mocha Жыл бұрын
@@lw1zfog Who is embarrassed? The Fascist pro Russian or the liberal Democrat Aussie with access to all information spaces , no sanctions, no social repression no hatred towards another country, race or individual regardless of age, sex or religion?
@fegeleindux3471
@fegeleindux3471 Жыл бұрын
I’m a Pole and yeah her husband was minister of foreign affairs and at that time he was pro Russia to the point that he wanted the Russian Federation in NATO but switched immediately only because Obama said so (he was secretly recorded saying that “we know must leave our strategic partnership with Russia and suck America’s cock” and that phrase costed him the ministerial position. He is also the same idiot who in a tweet recently thanked the US for blowing up the Nord Stream 2 pipeline ( yeah a true diplomat who can’t even maintain an international secret without celebrating it on social media)
@johnsnowkumar359
@johnsnowkumar359 10 ай бұрын
She is a genius. She is also up to no good, most likely. In 1932 and 1933, the United States should have set up food camps in every district of Ukraine, Japan, Africa and Asia. The average lawmaker of European national origin will want to feed Europeans. She should have set up many food camps in all places where there was hunger, most likely. No local leader, communist or Democrat or Republican would have stopped her from setting up food camps in rural areas of Ukraine during a holodor (famine) most likely. Action speaks for itself. She is up to no good. She should have tossed out chocolates to the children of Tokyo from the window of her aircraft windows in 1949. She is up to no good. For instance, I had once decided to open a food bank in south east Oklahoma City, Has she ever done that?
@tonyholmes962
@tonyholmes962 Жыл бұрын
Ann is sick
@ceplma
@ceplma Жыл бұрын
Care to elaborate or it is just a stupid slander?
@tonyholmes962
@tonyholmes962 Жыл бұрын
As in 'sick burn'. She is smokin. You got to get down with the dudes man her account of trains coming out of Ukraine famine is astonishing.
@trunksajovobol3792
@trunksajovobol3792 Жыл бұрын
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