indeed

Such a shame the Queen couldn’t chose her heir…

​@@mate5571probably a good thing as Andrew was her favourite

The 'Good Queen" that never would be...

The Queen Who Never Was :)

Because there IS nothing she can do. She may be the Queen, but God gave humans freewill. No ruler can take that away. Anne's problems are not something she can solve. Anne has to choose how to deal with all that comes her way. She has to choose who really deserves her attention: the British press OR the people whom she helps through her charity work. Mark OR Timony? Elizabeth can't make Anne happy. *Anne* makes Anne happy. That's what she has to come to figure out.

@@girl1213I’m confused if she does nothing about everything, what IS the point of the royal family then?

@@Madelope it’s not about the Family, it’s about the MONARCH. Family comes naturally since the crown follows the first-born rule. The purpose of the crown is to provide a symbol of stability and continuity. Its role is to oversee the government which is ,in fact, formed UNDER the sovereign’s name and makes sure that laws, rules etc follow the constitution. He/she MUST be impartial because being the most powerful person in country favoring or disliking you can be quite unfair, hence doing nothing is their job. They simply oversee the correct running of the country using ONLY the constitution as a “rule-book” regardless about their opinions on new laws etc but never showing an opinion since they MUST NEVER declare a position. Essentially the monarch is almost like a referee so just because he/she doesn’t like a player, they cannot simply kick him out but muse follow the rules of the game to ensure a correct match.

@@MadelopeTourism and... The Bank of England, (they own it).

Do you understand that this is a FICTIONAL version of the real person and that we don't actually know what the REAL person (the REAL Queen) was behind the curtains? Do you realize that this is drama and you can't judge real people from this? Plus, the Queen is dead now and you are still talking crap about her, GROW UP.

@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849the same can be said for YOU. YOU also have no knowledge of any of these people because YOU are not a Royal, YOU are not even a servant scrubbing a Royal horse’s shoe. Yet here you are wanting insert yourself as an authority on the subject matter to feel some small significance. Grow up 😂

Barely anyone in this world really deals with their deep feelings. It's not something that is really wanted in this world. The denial mechanism is so tremendously strong.

Boohoo!! A spoiled adulterer just like her brother and father!!

it is possible, by reading books bout the RF to get some information on them that is accurate, as opposed to stuff in a made up and sily drama. THe Crown is not accurate, not about the RF NOR the other people whom they meet, like JFK@@awlmut

Elizabeth had an injured horse, that could have been healed, shot in front of everyone. She didn’t care for anything. None of them have value, heart, compassion, or a modicum of worth.

@@lesyeuxsansvisage1157 Do you know the Queen personally? Who are you to determine what their values are and aren't? And what is the source of this information? I have read multiple biographies of the Queen and have heard nothing of this kind. Perhaps change your handle name to lavisagesanslesyeux 🤣

​@@OnLifeandLove By the same token, none of the people who have written biographies of the Queen REALLY know her, either. They know her professional/public face. Everything else is hearsay. People believe what they want to believe about her, including yourself.

@@lesyeuxsansvisage1157 you was there was you? you do know that the crown isnt real life,? most of its made up

tha'ts ridiculous. The queen loved horses, if a horse coudl be saved it woudl be. @@lesyeuxsansvisage1157

The way she says certain words and phrases and the way she holds herself are particularly uncanny. I have no idea how long Erin must have spent studying Tobias, but she's magnificent.

@@timetravelingshark8811they were so brilliant together! And Tobias Menzies really nailed Philips body language

True but, she could just be annoyed with the question.

The queen was being socially polite and accepting the answer given. The queen ALREADY KNEW how stupid her "perfect" child was being - just like her brother(s).

Did this conversation really take place or is it another dramatic scene that didn't happen ?

@@secretsquirrel7374 The latter I’m sure. 90 or more % of the shoe is scripted. I wasn’t thinking this was an actual thing the queen said, I’m sure she’s said much worse

Because the Queen feels awkward and doesn't know how else to respond. I'm sure she realises it's not a great response, but she simply doesn't know what else to do. I think probably everyone's had moments like that.

What exactly can she do?

absence of feeling a deficity in queen and also she puts duty over personal lives .she herself lives a life like try fix your marriage rather than opting for divorce , she faced lots of backstabbing from the people she loved dearly but she always showed this world that she is strong happy women her own life experience made her iron lady .she also expect her children to be like that because whatever may happen in your life but as a royal born duty comes first for you . She followed till her last breathe

No she tolerated it and she did love Philip but tjey both put up with their circumstances

There's also the fact that she has nothing to do with the relationship with Anne and Mark. She has no control over it. People want her to solve things because of her title as the Queen and because she's a mother and wife, but...there's little to nothing she can actually do. She can't order the press to leave Anne alone, she can't order Mark to love Anne as she deserves, she *can't* do anything. And for human beings, that's the hardest truth to swallow

Huh? By the time of hte breakdown of Anne's marriage, the press left Anne alone. She was of litlte interest to them once Diana came along@@girl1213

This is a drama, not real.

@@lynndenault4212 Sorry, my bad. The next time I make sure to be very specific that when I comment a scene from the fictional show "The Crown" that I talk about the CHARACTER Queen Elisabeth how she is portrayed in the FICTIONAL show The Crown, so absolutely everyone understands that I can tell fact from fiction. Stupid to assume that some things just go without saying.

For sure. I think you’re right too that she did sincerely love Phillip, he was the partner she wanted and needed despite the things he sometimes said or did. I think that was also a difference for her kids, as like most people they had fallen out of love with their partners as their marriages failed. There really was nothing left to save 😢 and it truly was the best for them to go separate ways.

How is the situation different? The world changed? So what? How many great kings and queens saw the world change and still kept their duties and marriage?! The point here is not that it was unfair, but rather that a single family, specially one wreathed with pomp and circumstance, could never protect their own kids from the outside world, with it's impressionable vices and promises of personal freedom. It could only try to instill the same sense of duty, a sense that Elizabeth seemingly did not want to impose as tightly as other generations would have.

@nivaldomonte5441 Well, for a long time, the world was governed by strict religious doctrines that condemned divorce and women's infidelity as sinful. It didn't matter if kings and queens of the past were in unhappy situations. They were forced to stay together or risk ruin, and it was mostly queens who suffered from it. Even Princess Margaret experienced restrictions when she wanted to marry Peter Townsend, and that wasn't so long ago. Meanwhile, over sixty years later, when the culture and values of society changed, Charles was able to do what she could not by marrying Camilla, a divorced woman. Perceptions change with time. And I don't necessarily think that the "vices" you mention have much to do with changing times, as royalty has always had the temptations of adultery specifically. And no, there is no protecting any child from those things no matter how hard you try. My point is that the values and opinions of society were different for Elizabeth and her marriage to Philip than they were for her children. Just because she could accept them doesn't mean everyone else could. She had to learn she couldn't hold her children back from happiness for the sake of duty because they could have both if she had let them from the start. Her resistance and that of the Queen Mother frankly led to more heartache, catastrophe, and loss.

different generation. Elizabeth was the last generation where it was OK for a prince or king to take a mistress and women put up and shut up. Divorce was also highly stigmatised and not an option for the head of the church

I disagree. Perhaps they should marry the right person the first time around instead of doing as they’re told. They have no issues cheating. They should have no issues having a backbone and marrying who they want.

Think what you want about this scene but....the kid stole it from Coleman.

has she?

Anne coddles Andrew. I lost a lost of respct for her over that.

@loner1878 No... his mother did... and that shield is now gone. Please note that Andrew was not allowed to wear his military uniform at her funeral. And if the Epstien flight logs are ever released, he'll have many more inquiries to answer....

@@JMD1965 Anne does too. Reports say she's been nagging Charles about reinstating Andrew.

@@loner1878 yeeeeeah... I want to see the receipts on that claim....

*recent

Yep it was treated as like with "Mary"

From what I can remember Anne never spoke like that either :-)

And they pronounce their o's as a! So different, to my American ear.

easy, she likes the horse.

She and Philip were terrible parents. Showed no love at all to them. So cold

It may have solved her problems with Phillip But neither Anne or Mark, or even Charles and Diana, are her and him.

Except she didn’t play Princess Margaret…

I dont like Anne but I would not say she's a savage

Then she can get a real job.

It’s insulting. Like when William and Katherine visit homeless shelters then go home to a literal palace with 27 spare bedrooms… hardly rings true

I agree. But this is why I'm against the monarchy. People are placed on pedestals, without any choice in the matter, tempting others to want to tear them down. Like a red cloth before an ox. Not sure money's always worth that. Then there's of course the inherited privilege part.

@@monmothma3358 yeah must be hard having with all that money and privilege knowing you haven’t earned it

@@liamblack2574 I see your point and feel your frustration. I am currently homeless myself. But Kate and William are just two people in a very large machine determined to cause unnecessary suffering. We can only do what we can do. Seeing there are multi millionaires and billionaires buying super yachts and who don’t attend to the homeless at all I think the dislike is maybe a little displaced. There is a difference between inheriting privilege and being inherently selfish.

It's good for some things but not for others. Elizabeth didn't do nothing when her and Phillip's marriage was on the rocks. Or doing nothing for Aberfan was the wrong thing. It's also the issue that she doesn't know her family at all and is frankly ignorant of their pain and issues. Which then leads to further problems

At this point and for a long time, passivity and inaction has been THE job of the Brit royals. What is the point? For instance, during Elizabeth II's reign, Britain was destroyed, yes, destroyed by mass Third World migration, FUNDAMENTALLY altering a nation. Yet she just went along.

her marriage was never on the rocks... and how did she do nothing for Aberfan?@@Ashbrash1998

The problem here is that there really is nothing the Queen can do. She can't control how the press responds to Anne. She can't fix her daughter's marital problems. She's warning her daughter that her lover might be reassigned, which is an active step. But these factors are all out of her control. I sometimes sensed that too many members of the Queen's family expected her to wave a magic wand and fix things that in the end were their own problems to solve.

Diana was a public eye because her husband was a to-be king. Everyone just expected her to be the best and she was excellent in putting things the way everyone wanted. Later, the whole cheating thing, then she doing things which broke royal protocols and stereotypes, her behaviour with her sons is something which made an impact and her beauty was also one of the factors why everyone was drawn to her[this doesn't make Anne ugly though]. As for princess Anne, she was put kind of aside as she wasn't competing for the throne, that is why she remained under-appreciated I guess.

Isn't it same still with that Megan woman.

The reaction to Diana is a perfect example of how shallow the masses are.

Princess Anne is finally popular, because it's finally considered cool to be a strong, sporty and hard working Princess, who doesn't care about fashion. It used to be that people wanted a sweet fairytale Princess wearing the latest fashion and smiling.

​​@@traceygreet6436 Meghan was different. She was incredibly difficult towards staff, she refused to follow protocol, and expected everyone to do as she liked, then when the royal family refused she had Harry leave with her and claimed to be a victim of racism (typical narcissistic and manipulative behaviour). Princess Anne never claimed to be a victim. Even when she suffered through hardship, she worked hard to be known as the most hardworking royal. Whereas with Meghan she didn't even work as hard, there were staff who even overheard her saying on the Australian tour that she should be paid for what she does, even though she is being paid as a royal with designer clothes and luxurious housing. Princess Anne never did that.

Family is a place where you're supposed to be accepted as you are, warts and all. But it doesn't always work like that.

That's in almost every family, although some have it worse than others. The children suffer becuase of it but then they grow up to do the same to their children and then the cycle just continues.

No. The reality is that we will never know if they did or didn't take place. They still are mother and child so a conversation like this may have occurred. The simple truth is that these types of scenes are purely speculative. If we were to observed this exact conversation from afar, we'd have no idea what was said.

he mean more serious.

she is rude, charmless and does not like her royal duties

​@@glen7318exactly, she doesn't take any crap. The Royal family lives in a gilded cage, it's the longest running retribution ever carried out, for their years of absolute rule, they now live under someone elses thumb where every aspect of their lives are dictated. Almost every member has problems as a result of their being brought up in it. Anne has always gone against the grain and tried to be more, even as an old woman today she's still no nonsense and badass. So yeah, if I lived in that time I would favor her over Diana.

She was a Queen who went through a war. That changes you. Sometimes the kids need to give back too.

@@falconeshieldchildren don’t owe their parents-parents decide to bring kids here and shouldn’t do so unless they understand they’re raising real people. If they don’t get that, parenthood is not for them

@@MzShonuff123you’re the best ❤

Well, let's look at the results. The entire familiy is a mess who treats outsiders like scapegoats.

Both of them coddled Andrew.

Miscast.

nonsense. Charles works veyr hard, so did the late queen and Philip

It is a stabilizing counterpoint to the sudden, erratic, whims and impulses of modernity. To remember history and be informed by the wisdom of precedent. Elizabeth realized they felt sorry for themselves and needed to get them to consider the perspective of a bigger picture. A "thickener" to make the gravy work and not just drain away.

Except that is not a palace in the background. It is supposed to the Gatcombe Park, Princess Anne's residence.

I've been searching a lot but I couldn't find it

Doesn't help she can't actually do anything She can't force the press to stop being swallow and she can't force Mark to love Anne. Elizabeth has very little power. So it's no wonder she struggles to help Anne: there's literally nothing she can do. Anne has to figure it out all by herself.

That’s all good to say now. This was in the 80s

This is just fiction, after all.

since this is fiction and particuarly silly fiction at that, i dont kow why you wuold take it as evidence fo autism

She's our princess in the Olympic world

@@falconeshield To say nothing of being an actual Olympian ( re the Montreal '76 Summer Olympics)!

wins what?

Anne was never popular, she may be a bit better liked now but she was always disliked on average

they did not hate Diana. and diana DID wnat to be in the spotlight

The reason blood of the nobility is blue is it's so cold.

Keep in mind this entire conversation is 100% fiction. Elizabeth was never praised for being a warm and loving mother, especially at this point of her reign, but that doesn't mean she was this cold to her own daughter. The Crown is a fictional drama based on real people, but each character is portrayed exactly as the writer wishes to portray them, not as they actually were at the time.

I used the word shallow to mean no emotional depth - giving Anne glib support when all she needed was to have someone listen and agree. Diana was too modern for them and didn't match up in industriousness. The Press didn't help by themselves focusing on what sold rather than to educate. If your characters are all dead it's easy to fictionalize conversations but these people were alive and could verify what was said but of course, didn't. What did Charles expect from a 19-year old, Aristotle? He didn't get what he wanted so he petulantly went back to his mistress. After his wife dies he makes the mistress Queen. Says it all, doesn't it? @@jasonkoch3182

She believed in following the rules.

​@@cynthiacurme5996Unless it was her own heart. Bit hypocrital.

S4 E4

Its the one where the queen decides to spend some time with all of her kids to figure out which one was her favorite, and realizes that all of them are unhappy, spoiled, miserable, shallow, lost individuals...I think she also sees that she and Phillip did not do a great job as parents. @@atreyeechoudhury5715

It went back in the inventory

Yes, but its one of those things, bit of un-reality that compromises the scene.@@falconeshield

a servant probably picked it up later

why?

certianly not. So why re you going Ugh, if you like her

No! Originally, when her parents the-then Duke and Duchess of York had their younger daughter in 1930 after 'Lilibet', the Duke of York proposed that girl to be named 'Anne' but his father was George V and, back then the monarch had the final call in what their offspring could name their own children. George V overruled 'Bertie' being able to bestow the name of Anne due to evidently disliking its Stuart usage so Bertie and his wife Elizabeth wound up naming her Margaret which George V approved. Anyway, when Princess Elizabeth bore her 2nd child(and only daughter) in 1950,she decided she wanted to please her father who had become George VI so she that's why she named the girl 'Anne' (also knowing that there was no way the monarch was going to veto the name he had always liked). Yet, from the start, Princess Anne of Edinburgh was the Duke of Edinburgh's favorite since she was the one most like him in personality while it took longer for him and her brothers to accept each other for who they were! I'm not sure Margaret doted on Anne as much as she'd doted on Charles.

she didn't hate her, she just did not like her.

I think that's a crap thing to say about the late Diana, Princess of Wales. After her divorce especially she tried to forge her own way and make a difference. Her life was brutally cut short before she could make more of an impact. Anne is fantastic but I could not vehemently disagree with you more on Diana. Then again, it's easy to trash the dead when they can't defend themselves from haters.

Bullshit

Diana used and manipulated the press. Then she threw a fit when they didn't cater to her wants.

If there’s one thing the press wasn’t to Diana it’s cruel. The paparazzi was cruel. Anne was trapped by how people perceived her in the outside world and Diana was trapped by how people perceived her in the inside world. One is significantly less stable, sure, but it’s nowhere near secure and I don’t feel it’s difficult to relate.

For me it's more difficult to relate to Diana, and less to Anne. Diana was rich, noble, young, beatiful, loved and praised everywhere she went, if she wasn't so pretty in comparison to Camilla i think that the faction would be very different, she had a huge "pretty privilege". Anne was the forgettable one, it's not easy be invisible. The press was awful with everyone, in some case they create an image of perfection, who helps Diana a lot, but if we put all on a scale the bad parts are a lot heavier than the good

No she didn’t stop Margaret at all. Margaret could have have gone and married Townsend. But she wouldn’t give up the good life.

completely untrue, the queen worked out a compromise so that Marg coudl marry Townsend, but M chose not to take it up

Don't blame Elizabeth, blame the Church of England.

Unhappiness is a feeling and feelings change by the minute. You don't base actions on feelings, that's how you end up in an even worse situation.

that's what her mother and *especially* grandmother believed in. why wouldn't she believe it too?

You need to have lived in the 40's & 50's, to appreciate this was the norm. They had come through a war, seen devastation and death, but just sucked it in and got on with it. Life was precious and choices were few. My mother died a couple of years ago at the grand age of 94, and she had the same attitude to life's problems at 94 as she did as a young mother. It was always such a pleasant surprise to see her soften her approach to the grandchildren, but for her own children she was in a time warp. We knew she cared for us but it was never shown. Her mother had died when she was 6, and she and two slightly older siblings were passed round the family till the were old enough to go to boarding school, so to her, getting through the depression, and coming through the war, getting on with life was not a big issue. Many a time we would sit at the table with food on our plate and she would just have a small meal of potatoes, cabbage an gravy because what was left after she fed Dad and three of us, and in her way she was showing her love. Don't judge people from a generation you know very little about. She often said that we didn't know how poor we were when we were growing up, but while we didn't know anyone better off than us, we sure knew plenty worse off. Like most children of the 50's, I think we have a greater, appreciation of life than the current generations.

well according to her multiple biographies I'm afraid you might be mistaken in your assumptions. if you are not sure research and then make conclusions

@@Celestialyeontan well haven’t you figured out the “firm” puts out lovely stories to make themselves seem valuable. Anne is simply a women that she has had lots of privilege. Lots of money. Lots of status. All because the firm makes sure she look good.

She did a LOT more than smile and wave.

@@melanieevans4443 they don't pull out a load of stories biographies are based on their lives with multiple accounts of people involved. you clearly don't know much about the Royal family but are speaking nonsense instead of researching and learning about them before holding discussions.

@@Celestialyeontan lololol I worked WITH not FOR the ROYAL family. So ya I’m kinda knowledgable but I’m curious why you think you have any actual facts about a rich family that see themselves as gods? Aren’t you even curious why they say they are a ruling because they are next to G-d?

All of them could have left the royal family (and the privileges and financial benefits, obviously). Margaret could have left in order to marry the man she loved but she chose the privileged life (at least this is what I've learned from the show, maybe it's only a fictional "fact").

no, she was not asked to leave the RF, she could have stayed as a princess and married PT, but she would have had to give up being in the succession. she chose not to do that. her decision.@@kasskath3578

Yes, her divorce from Mark Philips took place because Tim Lawrence's love letters to her were stolen and were going to be published.

Mark was unfaithful to her and had fathered a child on another woman@@cg8397

The most stable democracies in the world have a monarchy.

How? She’s the second child.

what are you on about?

Sorry but no. Once the heir marries and has children the line of succession runs through his or now her family. As Charles has had children, the next in line after him is not Anne but William.

Enne's eccent :-)

dont be silly. If charles had given up his place in the succession his son would be the next in line. Charles does not have to be a leader, and Anne is nowwhere in the line of succession