"The rear main seal wasn't timed correctly" - something I never thought I'd hear

All the respect for that starter !

The new rear main seal comes with a removable plastic clip that holds the seal in the correct place for installation . You just have to make sure the engine is at TDC . I would charge the 6 hours spent to diagnose.

I hate it when I forget to time my rear main seal.... VW sure knows how to make something over complicated.

What a crazy situation. Glad you had access to a community of repair gurus. Thanks for posting your amazing vids.

Mr. Keith the magician came through. This needs to be put on the book of knowledge in RED LETTERS!

Mind blown 🤯 Right now! , I just watched Eric O spend hours on a Mini back up light issue just to find out the car only is made to just have one backup light

If im not familiar with a system. I would of charged what I believe it would have taken if I understood the system going into before hand. In a situation like you were in where you weren’t familiar, i treat it as a learning experience. Yeah, sure im at a loss on that job because of the amount of time, but i learned something, not only will that help me on future diagnostics and to think a little more outside the box when im stuck in some other situation. But me personally i absolutely love the hardest diags to solve. They maybe not the best sometimes for profitability, but i love that feeling after figuring it out.

Im happy to see that you got some direction from Keith, Chris, and Hans, but if you read the comments from part 1 some of the comments suggested that the rear main was the culprit. A lot of us out here do know a thing or two also, granted we may not have KZfaq channels for whatever reason. And I can assure you, in this trade you have never seen it all, there will always be something to surprise you and to learn by.

Nice work man! Major kudos for you coming in on the second half of these jobs, not knowing what has been messed with before you even got there. Excellent case study for the old adage of “my labor rate is higher if you worked on it first!” 😂

Someone said that was the problem in part 1 in the comment section.Hey you can't be expected to fix all situations all of the time you perservered & actually finally found what the problem was albeit with some help from experts. Alot of people would have thrown their hands up & walked away you mate (asI have said previously) the consumate professional Cheers & be proud.

yikes, what a pain..yes in part 1 someone commented on the rear seal timing..glad you solved the puzzle and we got to see the journey..

Commentors on part 1 nailed it! And they even said it should start with the cam sensor disconnected if the crank sensor was timed correctly. Well it wasn't, and it didn't. Of course you shot parts 1 and 2 at the same time and didn't have the benefit of the comments. Another entertaining detective story from you, Ivan! Thanks!

I feel that spark keeping such people out of giving up. Actually I wouldn’t sleep properly when a diagnostic ain’t done. That keeps me thinking over and over until I figure an issue out. It’s kinda an addiction 😁

Charge accordingly for your time! Do not sell yourself short!

I checked multiple times awaiting this part 2, you didn’t disappoint me!

That's INSANE!!! Great diagnosis, Ivan! Glad you called in reinforcements!

Even tho you were there for 6 hours, you still properly diagnosed it. Crazy what the issues was lol.

Bingo 😂😂, first time for me with the same issue, was a vw polo 1.4. At that time I worked at the dealership in 2000, i had to replace a engine. Under warranty. A stripped engine without pistons, seals, etc. Crank no start 😂😂, took me a lot of time to figure out what was going on. Good job Iwan! 👌👍

You have to have people you can call on! Great find Ivan! Do you have access to the pico library or the IATN waveform library? Good to have access to their libraries of waveforms for times like these! As far as what to bill?…Bill it all out! Travel time too! Shoot, $800-1000 in diagnostic to be spot on the money is oh so often cheaper than the parts cannon! BILL IT OUT! This car may have rotted in the grass if it weren’t for you! And my gosh VW does some weird-ass shiz!😂✌️

Wow, the stuff that throws you. Kinda like those keyless crankshafts and their tricks. Good one Ivan. Thanks!

If you made a special trip just for them, you should have a pre-agreed upon price for that. You spent 6 hours figuring out their problem, charge them for the 6 hours. The bottom line is that the issue is figured out, and they know what needs to be done to get the car to run.

Ivan. I am also blown away by your fix. Who "wodda thunk it!" ha, ha, a. That was certainly weird. Enjoyed it - all the way through. And, yes, "that poor starter." :-)

Been there for six hours, and that guy STILL hasn't finished mowing the lawn...😆

Having seen the comments about the rear main seal in part 1 this was extremely frustrating to watch!! If only he unplugged the crank sensor and tried cranking. That would have gotten him on the right track.

Fascinating, thank goodness you had the kind of access you did to specialized expertise!

Since your not familiar with vw your first move with the code p0341 it's get a know good wave form , that better for saving a starter! No matter what here was about infos (what been done when they make the swap and knowing all about the timing on 1.9 tdi ) We call that learning & experience .

Excellent job I am proud of you and your work keep going life is short your wife needs a shout-out also thanks to friends that support !!!

I saw that comment yesterday. I discounted it as it seemed ludicrous that a rear main seal was anything but that and had no sway over timing. I am truly astounded. A fing electronic plug on a rear main seal housing. ?? Wow… German engineering is one bizarre experiment.

Helo Ivan As you just showed Diagnostics can be very humbling. You stuck with it and appear to have found the probable cause of the no start. Charge accordingly. If the replacement of the rear main seal does not correct the no start condition offer a partial refund. You might want to lower your usual rate a little. When I checked for the P0341 code it came back clearly indicating both Camshaft and Crankshaft position sensors as possible causes.Very interesting case keep the great videos coming. PS. Even with all your diagnostic skill it is nice to have friends and colleagues willing to share their knowledge.

Ivan, I've done dozens of cambelt changes on the 1.9 & 2.0 TDI VAG engines and had to time the injection pump sprocket with the crank and camshaft sprockets especially on the common rail injection systems. I recollect the older 1.9 TDI also had to have the injection pump in time. Put # 1 cylinder on TDC and check that the injection pump is actually in time against VAG assembly instructions. Good luck!

I think there's a few Japanese engines like that with the rear main seal too. Pretty sure this has been discussed on the Iatn. But once you know, you know. Next time the question will be asked, did you use the required tool to replace that seal? If the answer is no, a lot of time will be saved by everybody involved.

The guy who installed it should have known just from looking at the part. Package probably had instructions he never looked at.

As I said. Crankshaft inductor/sealant wheel wast installed properly with special tools and in DTC blocked with special tools 😄😁😂 next time feel free to write me. I working with V.A.G vehicles a lot😉 but great job. 👌🏻👍🏻

Thanks for sharing your knowledge! People don’t understand how important sharing is ! Keep up the good work ☮️Houston Texas

Thank you for share your knowledge!

I love the journey to get to this point, learned a lot!!! Glad you got it running

Always great video for the mechanic world and we all learned something. Pls post a short video with it running, thx Ivan.

Great perseverance, Ivan! I am very curious how you ended up charging the customer. I think I would split the cost with the customer (3 hours diagnosis, 3 hours "education" for yourself.) Looking forward to possible follow-up! 😊

Hans is the best vw guy I know of. He goes above and beyond to collect data

Make sure to time the muffler bearing on your Volkswagen!!!!

Every day's a school day Ivan - great work

My guess was something with the glow plugs. Boy was I wrong!

Ha ha classic. Experience is key here. You'll never forget Ivan.

That's just crazy! But we learn something new every day, and man, was this one a learning experience. I hope we get to hear it run.😂

That's a new one for me, thanks for sharing Ivan.

Thanks, Jan Jørgensen!

Just when you thought you couldn't despise an engineer anymore than you already do.

Wow! Wow! That is enough to blow your mind!

I saw a few guys call this in the comments of the last video, major props to them!

Learned a lot from this video as pine hollow always says always do a full health report, always study wireing Diagrams, always check tsb And the blogs on line before Starting the diag lots of info In the blogs about this problem great job great video excellence is not easy 👍👍👍👍👍👍

Invaluable having a "GROUP Network" to troubleshoot and diagnose these types of issues!! Team effort!! Merci

Well this is some good knowledge to have if/when I need to replace the rear seal in my TDI. Finally replaced the timing belt after car sat in corner of shop, going on nearly two years..fired up as quickly as I turned the key! Total relief there were no bent valves! Excellent videos! 👍👍💯🇺🇸

Vw is very picky on timing,both cam and crank,in the first video you said they replaced the fly wheel,my it’s thoughts were ,I hope they did not disturb the timing wheel,and it was,and it needs to be spot on,interesting video,you learned something today,I learned something from you also,I’m going to start using the scope before I touch any timing jobs,so I have it’s reference in case it won’t start after.

You just blow my mind mate excellent!

Well done ivan had similar on Mazda done a cambelt change would not start after hours wasted it was my fault the stater plate could go on in two ways. Before I had a scope all these new ideas are not helpful all looking good for future mechanic clad my time is coming to the end. great videos thank you

crayz ill keep this in the back of my head for future ref thanks Ivan

I'm honestly surprised that the guy that replaced the rear main seal didn't even mention that it had a sensor. I figured that would be a good piece of information to give you. Lol

Probably a flat rate fee would be fair. You truly earned every minute with this mystery! Good job hanging in there!

Unreal, this is where we lose our tail end when it comes to diagnoses fee.... At least you found the answers :)

You never give up that was mind bending. Never miss your videos Bill N LI NY

There is only one way to describe this..... GOT FUCKING DAMN!!!!!! Ivan, your perseverance is admirable.

Wow. Great video. Gotta call this one a "Training Day", same as if you went to a seminar. Charge as you would the day AFTER the training day; probably 1. travel time, 2. an hour to run the cam/crank waveform on the Pico, 3. lunch.

I think thats my problem as well, will check tomorrow 🙏🙏🙏

This car would of been a good car to get ahold of Charles aka The Humble Mechanic. All he does is VW and is extremely knowledgeable about them.

You earned every bit of time spent diagnosing that car !! Even Ross Tech had little information. However a big red flag to the installer would be the design of the crank sensor. I've never done a rear main or sensor on that particular engine but looking at that crazy setup would make me take a look at service data

Ivan, about charging, I would say it depends on the circumstances; what agreement you have with the customer, what communication you had with the customer, how things went down, etc. For example, if you at some point told the customer that it is taking a long time and will be expensive and the customer told you to continue, then just charge the diagnostics time. Another example, sometimes I have worked on diagnosing an issue (not cars) and then being stubborn and curios and not wanting to admit defeat I spent a lot of hours on it, a lot more than I should have done before at least informing the customer and giving them a chance to make a decision on how to proceed. On those occasions the customer got a very significant discount. What I am saying is that you should charge what is fair and that you have to be the judge of what that is.

You are the Great mechanic I ever seent but finally u find the problem I wish the best

Well, I admire your persistence Ivan. Euro cars and Japanese cars are getting more and more complicated. All we can hope to do, is to keep learning. You did everything right for a less technical vehicle, but these Euro manufacturers will always throw a spanner in the works. Good to have Euro experts on call, otherwise you may have been stumped, who woulda thunk it, a timed rear main seal LOL. I have a BMW 330D SE 2010 and a glow plug failed, and immediately threw a blocked DPF code, and would not perform a regen. So I replaced the glow plug, but the blocked DPF code persisted, and no regen. I had to buy BMW software to reset the adaptations and reset the DPF fault before a regen could take place. But, even so, I do love my Beemer.Good luck with the knowledge gained.

Another reason a shop needs service info. This all could have been avoided if instructions were read and understood. Also, even a DIY might have looked at that seal and thought this is way different, maybe I better check into this.

Amazing find! I would charge travel time plus hours spent. Without your work there is no direction..

hi are them boys names youtubers...i have to say very well done on the volkwagen i have one to. thanks for the tip. it doesent matter who you got the info of at the end of the day you fixed the car. i sure if your friends ran into a bit of trouble you be there for them. Well done

What a great lesson VW ...

I was waiting patiently for part 2

Love to get 1 hour of him and his computer and 5 questions ❤

Good to know about it as I'm looking into a potential tdi swap

Very well tried sir ..but of no joy ..but hats of respect for hard trying ....and gaining knowledge....for us too ..thks

Wow , incredible 🤯

What do you mean, "How do you charge for this?" Dude, you are going to need to quit agonizing over charging people. It's simple: 6 x $150.00 plus your windshield time. Don't forget to treat Keith and those other people to a nice dinner. GREAT VIDEO!

that is mind blowing for sure

Incredible diag Ivan !

Leave it up to German technology to screw up a simple way for the crank sensor to pick up the signal! This is why I don't own a German vehicle! Thank you Ivan for this video.

Unbelievable. Unless you worked on vws all the time, you would have no idea. Great couple of videos.

This is why people should question getting involved with the car repair world. Never in a million years would I ever think a rear main seal would cause an engine to not start. Crazy times indeed.

if they (owner not shop) waited 4years they can definitely pay you for all your time since it was their install that made a working engine stop working. Definitely a learning experience to ask about everything they mucked about with no matter how unlikely the issue when everything else was on spec the weirdness is the answer. Great digging as always!

Good man Keith without him you would be lost everyone would be lost I've never ever heard of a rubber seal being a pickup for a sensor that's crazy.

An add on to my first comment I worked on ONE VW & had to buy a SST just to remove the brake pedal from the booster thats when I decided never again to work on newer VWs.

Im still suprized at the guy who instaled the rear main seal,having an electrical connection/marks on the rear main seal did not ring a single bell in him

Ahh yes, had a friend of mine run into the same issue and had to check timing and installation of the rear main seal but keep in mind it was in a VW Amarok, so sure enough VW uses this style of seal in many other products.

oh for the days of points and spark plugs and "No" sensors... exc job as always

hrs need to be charged, + drive time ,regardless of the car price or value .im the phone business, and when a company's phones dont work , you do what ever to keep em working and up and time is included in all repairs and the love you in end to keep thep up and running

Range Rover uses the exact same type of tone ring for the abs sensors found on the bearing wheel bearing seals, Install one backwards NO ABS signal, Much easier because timing isn't involved but still needs to be installed correctly, It's cheaper to build shit this way meaning without actual mechanical steel teeth, Just a pain in the Ass for unsuspecting Techs. This By far the most useful You Tube Car repair Channel for people who are TOTALLY stumped potentially 🇺🇸👍

These are the jobs you learn the most from......sometimes you bite the 🐻🐻 and sometimes the🐻🐻bites you. Kudos for sticking it out to the end.

I figured Keith would have a clue. Bill them for the diag. Not your fault his buddy screwed up.

I would charge a full day no doubt and at that it is a screaming deal for the customer. That car has been down for 4 years? That starter is an MVP. Also, you had to engage your life line (Keith) and extended team to solve this.

Good job

Oh dear, every day is a school day Ivan 💪💪💪

Take the front timing cover Off to install a special tool On the front gear at TDC. Take the transmission out. Put a special tool on the new rear main use a micrometer to make sure the gear is in the right position and then put it all back together. Crazy just crazy the installer is going 🤪 nuts😫😫😫😫 almost forgot drop the oil pan too!

Wow! Most of the time it pays to be a generalist. But sometimes you need the specialist. Thanks J

Another great video Ivan. Hate to say it, WE told you so😂