There s a very hard thing i have to admit but Bertoncini is an italian surname and he s granparents were surely from Italy and even Anteri he s half italian. I can t really explain this sad fact

@@averageplayer1995 Anyway is not intentional, he concedes 10 seconds after this clip. Watch the entire video to judge

@@TuttoBuggato whatever happens after the cheating doesn't matter. he cheated. if he saves a puppy afterwards he still is a cheater.

@@TuttoBuggato that tells me even more tthat he cheated. 5 secs later realising he is on camera XD

@@TuttoBuggato How do you know it's not intentional? I don't know the deck list but he may have been searching for a way to activate fauna shaman and cast a craterhoof behemot in the same turn, but he conceded because cheating a second land (so he would have 9 vs 6 from Thoralf) would be too hard to believe.

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Did you ever catch someone, called a judge an rule the match in your favor? Not sarcastic or anything, just want to know.

@@Damiancontursi there's a guy at my lgs who always tries to cheat in extra land and stuff. I've started putting extra d20s on the table for his life total, lands in play, cards in hand and turn we're on. I'll also ask "cards in hand?" randomly so he knows I'm paying attention to the number of cards he has in hand at all times. He hasn't cheated against me since I started all this.

@@mydadgaveupopcorn its sad that you have to go to those extremes but it at least makes him honest

is cheating land from the graveyard one of the more common cheats? cause there was that stomping ground incident not too long ago

I wondered why his deck was upside down!

The top 8 decks in draft are listed on wizards website. This guy's deck was not one of them.

The listings say he placed 61st with a prize of 300$ everyone who ranked 33-64 got a 300$ prize below that was a 250$ prize so I don't know if he won this game as a result of cheating in an extra land out of his graveyard and therefore a higher ranking but I think it should be brought to their attention.

Doesn't matter if it's deck or library, it is still ban-worthy. I wonder when WotC will stop with political agenda and covering up of cheaters... and yeah, making cards out of cereal boxes.

Cindershadow who cares? A cheat is a cheat.

You dont need a card effect to search through your gy. Its public knowledge.

From the top view it's much easier to see. It's a smooth sleight of hand he must have been practicing (je, pretty sad to use your lifetime to practice cheats.....)

This is the least surprising part of the whole thing. Probably thinking about his game strategy and/or not expecting to have to check every little thing his opponent did to try and catch a cheater. It literally never crosses the mind of many honest players that someone would do something like that

If they sanctioned the judges that did nothing I'm sure more violations would be handed out

That was probably poorly worded, but basically analyze the context and motive. How much does the cheat improve the player's position? Aside from false shuffling to take advantage of an opponent that doesn't cut your deck all cheats are only useful contextually. So they're pretty much always going to be crimes of opportunity, not premeditated. Since this player conceded right after this clip it seems more likely this was a legitimate accident, why cheat and then quit? I mean I've seen someone who had a removal spell played on their Young Pyromancer scoop it back to their hand from the graveyard when he thought no one was looking, that is clearly deliberate. This one, not so much, there was no payoff.

Kings World do you not understand how a twitch clip works?

Is there ever a bad time to have one more mana available? It's probably not relevant, but it could be, the actual contents of his hand notwithstanding. I've read here as well that he conceded the match pretty much straight away after this, which to my thinking is a really big deal. Why cheat and then immediately give up? I'm inclined to think benefit of the doubt here, apply more scrutiny to his future matches for a little while but otherwise I'm not convinced in this case. There are much more blatant incidents with much higher payoffs for the cheater, this one just doesn't make sense...there's no motive for it.

He had a Fauna Shaman in play. That allows him to access any creature in his deck. He could have been trying to cheat something out faster. Not to mention he had the spider spawning in his graveyard that he could flashback.

One less land to draw in his deck means hes more likely to draw something other than land.

If he had already played a land it makes a difference for future turns

@@fishsnapz5501 that Land came from the graveyard, not the library

shgecko because having more lands is always bad and couldn’t possibly give you an advantage. 100% intentional and in my opinion people like you passing this BS off as “accidental” are empowering cheaters and are a part of the problem.

'Pay 5 to talk', yeah.

he still cheated though. Fact is fact. Cheating fortunately did not cause the competitor to lose, maybe it was the cheater's decision to not continue to compete after cheating which is mitigating, nonetheless it would still cost at least the match. A lifetime ban or whatever is an exaggeration, cheater should get disqualified off of tournament and that's that.

My problem is what does land 8 do for him in this situation?

I just played the pre-release and honestly accidentally cheated because of misuse of Spectacle. Didn't know that I was misusing it and was called out so I conceded. I was going to lose either way, but I don't think it should be a ban if it wasn't intentional. Maybe he didn't know, maybe he did, however it should be a thing where if caught doing more than once yes ban. Just like any video game, "Hey, you cancelled out of that last match, make sure your internet connection isn't bad, if lost connection again you'll suffer a 24 hour ban from the game". You know, the good ol' "fool me once" quote.

@@kikijiki4230 apparently nothing, not he probably did this to TRY and get out of whatever situation he was in, he probably thought it was the only thing he could get away with lying about,

Sigh. It's only cheating if he did it deliberately.

probably needed another in play after already having played one this turn

all the time. full screen the page =/ idk

like 500 times

Is it frustrating though? Ive never played a game of magic where i was not already paying attention to the other persons cards (especially lands) and what they're doing.

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Im all out for digital tournaments. Hell, you'd be able to play the earlier brackets (or even the entire thing) without having to move out of your room. The one problem with online play is that if a bug occurs and you cant make a play or resume the game (like game crashes or a card gets 'stuck' in the air), the entire match is screwed over as you cant go back to the same board state, you have to re-play the entire thing. And you never know if a player would do something like an 'accidental d/c' to have the match replayed. And what if someone actually has a connection hiccup and d/c unintentionally and loses a match for it (imagining that a d/c = FF)? Hard to manage those situations.