@@lukev483 faith needs defending, especially when under coordinated attack.

@@lukev483 I guess I should clarify that I don't necessarily think the church needs defending, except that when anti-s intentionally misguide people, church members are in the front line of dealing with it. Why not defend against misinformation? If someone were talking shit about my wife, I would totally defend her even though I absolutely know she can kick ass. It's an honor to defend my faith and defend something so real and beautiful.

@@lukev483 I agree. Criticism of the church has no impact on my faith. Perhaps why I’m not at all offended with the who killed JS video.

@@lukev483 I have no problem with criticism. But there is a pretty solid difference between criticism and misinformation. Also, are you really equating Santa Claus to the restored gospel of Jesus Christ? If that's how you view belief in our faith, you're already misinformed about how most of us feel.

@@lukev483 I feel like you've really gone on a stretch comparing God to Santa. There aren't too many sightings of Santa that can't be easily explained as a parent, or someone who knew the kid, dressed up to play the role. On the other hand, there are numerous accounts of miraculous encounters with God or Christ or angels with no other explanation. And while someone might be in the mood to feel the spirit of Christmas, the testimony of the spirit of God has a very different feeling.

Same bro, I've been a member for 5 years now

What is the difference between anti-mormon material and truth that the LDS church just doesn't teach? For instance talking about Joseph using a seer stone would get you excommunicated in the past, however now it is openly taught. Is a seer stone anti-mormon?

@@Telavian people don’t get excommunicated willy-nilly. you’ve got to do some very serious, illegal stuff.

@@mongomaddy That is not even close to true. Read the story about Avraham Gileadi. He was excommunited because he translated the book of Isaiah. He was described by amazing LDS scholars like Nibley as the "best Isaiah scholar in the world". However he was still excommunicated for his translation. I know 2 people who were excommunicated for simply writing books and nothing more. Rob Smith - Teachings for Doctrines the Commandments of Men Taylor Drake - Joseph in the Gap

@@Telavian it was the content within the books that got them excommunicated. No one gets excommunicated for simply writing a book. That would be ridiculous. Also the seer stone was never secretive. These things have been openly taught and published by members and by the church for years. But people normally don’t study their own theology. Which is the same for every religion

We got plenty of content :). Enjoy :)

I wouldn’t be here without 2 boomers. I think Cardon just loves to joke around with ya all.

Boomers suck. 😉

@Veritas liberabit vos 😂

Midnight Mormons loves our useful boomer friends :). It’s the useless ones we don’t like :) Lolol . Thanks for commenting Patricia :)

If you don't know Kwaku and his crew are drug users, then you don't know the scene.

lol the show is literally filmed at midnight. They are probably dead tired

I sure don’t like the movie either.

I watch who killed Joseph smith twice and find it interesting. I don’t believe in their conclusions at all, but am amazed at home some are so easily triggered by a amateur film expression a theory. I look forward to watching Justins next movie - at least from an entertaining perspective.

I personally know Brian, and he is anything but prideful. Your conclusions about Brian are as good as Justin’s movie. Lots of opinions, little homework.

@Veritas liberabit vos fair call. I am only thinking of the movie. I’m Australian lds so see the world a little different perhaps. I think the movie only moves those probably on the way out anyway. The final scene was a little chilling when you realise the claim, but anyone watching can tell it’s not a ‘faithful’ presentation. If anything it’s a great call for members to spend a little time learning the history of their faith a little better, and not be “lazy learners” (like so many boomers were lol) I don’t know a lot about the activities outside of the movie connected to Justin, but I had presumed Justins excommunication was less about the actual movie and more about other aspects connected to it (such as his beliefs etc). I see Justin as a reasonable guy - just has a vastly different view of lds history to me. I also don’t think Brian has been effective in his critique. We all get the data and events outside the 2-3 minutes in the cell, but to respond to Justin you have to respond specifically to the 2-3 minutes. It would be great to see further analysis of the skulls etc and see if anything useful can be gleaned. Maybe there’s nothing to find. Happy to be corrected as alway.

@Veritas liberabit vos "Truth is truth", only a handful of people Know what happened inside that room. Justin poses the possibility that what we thought was the "Truth" wasn't. Then he offers an alternate theory, based on no one ever examining the 2 or 3 minutes to see if the eyewitness statements match the outcome. Considering all the violence they had been experiencing, for years, it doesn't seem plausible to me that there was only one or two guns in the room. If there was one gun in the room there likely were at least four. The idea of only the two men that were under arrest having a gun is unlikely. Carrying a gun was much more wide spread and accepted back then than it is now. Brigham started three communities living the law of consecration, very successfully. John Taylor is responsible for their failure. If he had allowed them to continue as they were intended we might have Zion redeemed already.

@Veritas liberabit vos "WE'RE watching you"..??? Who is "WE"??? (And I don't care, what I post is covered under US Free Speech and LDS Free Agency)

Fallen true prophet - Read Joseph in the Gap by Taylor Drake.

@Veritas liberabit vos I'm not aware of ALL of Joseph's "prophecies," but I'm not impressed. I'm really not impressed with his directions, ideas, "revelations" regarding moving the Saints around....to Kirtland....then Missouri....then to Nauvoo. I find the things he said about Missouri and "Zelph" and "Adam ondi Ahman" etc etc to be most troubling. The Garden of Eden in Missouri? HAHAHAAA His projections about the Rise of the Saints AND AMERICAN INDIANS in taking over the USA??? Joseph Smith was a non-stop prophecy/pronouncement machine...churning out HIS THOUGHTS and IDEAS and WANDERING-PONDERING MOMENTS....so many of which became "Revelations" and "Prophecies." "Thus Saith the Lord" was his favorite line...his verbal Six Gun.

@Veritas liberabit vos BTW, it's funny you should mention Twain....he said of the Book of Mormon"..... "chloroform in print." ENTIRE QUOTE: “All men have heard of the Mormon Bible, but few except the "elect" have seen it, or, at least, taken the trouble to read it. I brought away a copy from Salt Lake. The book is a curiosity to me, it is such a pretentious affair, and yet so "slow," so sleepy; such an insipid mess of inspiration. It is chloroform in print. If Joseph Smith composed this book, the act was a miracle - keeping awake while he did it was, at any rate.”

Completely agree. The BOM is consistently under estimated and under rated.

Joseph Smith was doing far more than throwing darts. He was actually using the natural gifts of the Spirit that God gave him from birth to bring the True Gospel, in its fullest, back to this earth. He actually used his God given spiritual gifts, (which we have all been given a few) to do the work of the LAST DAYS. Joseph was called. He accepted his calling. He did his best. The truth will all be made manifest at some point. Where will you stand?

@@shireecox122 I cannot stand with a man in a position of power and authority claiming to be a representative of God who was sexually predatory with 1415 and 16-year-old girls