You should spread your stuff everywhere to show the blatant, laughable PATHETIC dishonesty and moral bankruptcy of Christians.

Thank you so much!!!!

@@SolaScriptura94 What on earth are you thanking those charlatans at appologia for?

@@nickjones5435 For clear teaching, which seems to have you all sorts of offended. Maybe the Holy Spirit is convicting you of your pride and hard heart, or maybe you just don't have ears to hear. Just know people are praying for you

@@SolaScriptura94 CLEAR teaching? Where was THAT in the video? All i saw was baseless and childish word games used to deflect from the fact that durbin cant provide even the tinniest scrap of credible evidence of your god. Are all christians that dishonest and morally bankrupt? Who would ever want to be a Christian after watching that DISHONEST, morally bankrupt display? Can YOU present even the tinniest scrap of credible evidence of your god or is all you've got durbins childish word games?

@Andrew R "professing to be wise they become fools" how sad is the life of the atheist, that even the bible calls them fools "a fool says in his heart there is no God"

@@snb2186 Since atheist don't follow the Bible, it really isn't sad.

@@Rainbow_Panda I dont believe in gravity so no matter what anybody says, my truth is that gravity is not real, so I'm gonna go jump off a bridge and fly"...see how dumb that sounds...I dont matter what you believe or follow, the truth is just...THE TRUTH...they can run from God, and deny God all they want that dosen't make God all of a sudden Not real...😂🤦‍♂️

@@snb2186 Gravity can be proven, I have not heard good evidence for your God.

@@Rainbow_Panda you've heard many Good and undeniable evidence but you just suppress it in unrighteousness because you love your sin...anyway God is just like gravity, you cant see it, you cant smell it, you cant touch it...but you see its effects on things, simple God affects everything, " for God rulleth amongst the affairs of man", I just think most atheists dont understand the concept of a spirit.

This is Where "The Church" Should Be.....!!!!

Amen to that

adam rushing incredible isn’t it? Love it.

@Kevin McDonald oh yea, lol. And why is that? let me guess. No answer. You dont belong here. Go to tik tok or face book memes. You type is more usefull at being useless there. It's wrong that these people had a respectful and intelligent exchanging of ideas, when most of the time what you see is name calling, temper tantrums, and people getting salty about someone disagreeing with their OPINION? Wtf do you think your talking about? Obviously you are very lost. FUCK Off idiot.

I was just thinking the same thing. But I’m also surprised that Jeff left this up. He does not do well here.

Yes I took note of that, no demon emerged.

I actually agree with this although I don’t believe his views

Especially considering Jeff constantly was interrupting him without letting him finish a sentence 😅😅😅😅

@@GameCrawler Fortunately "truth" is not contingent on whomever is the nicest :D

It should be. With all due respect

One thing is almost for certain, i.e., he's thinking more and more successfully than Jeff is.

Most of us atheists are incredibly kind and caring people. I'm sorry you've seem to have come to that conclusion.

@Nobody J I do not want to bless nobody, so I will say God bless you. God loves you and awaits your repentance. Please do not try drugs in order to see God.

@@Ghost-fe1vp God bless you. Atheists can be kind and caring, they still need to accept Jesus and repent. What is truly kind and caring is leading people to Jesus and salvation.

@Nobody J Hi Nobody J. I do not know if you have read the whole Bible and ignored the parts you do not like or you just heard something you like and are hanging your hat on that. Please do not risk your salvation by simply basing your decisions on one or a few passages. Base your decisions on the entirety of scriptures. All the apostles spent the rest of their lives by serving Christ. Let's add two more verses to add a new context. John 8 10 - 11, 10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. Jesus has saved us but then commands us to go and sin no more. Willful, deliberate sin is not allowed. God bless you.

Pretty amazing

Almost like the end result is that of a living emotional human being. And not just atoms and chemicals bouncing around

​@@bstal44 but that's too far fetched cuz ya know walking star dust is completely logical

It's scary that such a worldview can be compelling. At any rate the fact that they are arguing for things having no meaning make their argument self refuting. So it's absolutely dumb and I think it's dangerous because things in fact absolutely matter.

Absolutely loving this comment section

Really? he strikes me as imbecilic and acting like a teenager with ADHD.

I agree 100%

@@snuzebuster I’m a teen with ADHD, and I can say for a fact that I act nothing like Jeff. I can only wish to become like him.

@@adventure_lewis3354 Why would you wish to be a grifter and deceiver? BTW: I didn't mean to imply that people with ADHD are bad. I probably should have found another way to get my point across. Sorry.

100%

Lol forrreall

I pretty sure you can understand it, this is part of the reason I'm not a fan of some apologist , I love Jeff, just saying that sometimes the high faulted English can turn people off.

​@@mikeman9784it can but ultimately I feel anyway, that if you think it's impratant enough to understand it you will make the effort to and research the things they're saying. If you do that you can absolutely come to understand the arguments and philosophies they're talking about. It's just intellectual jargon lol. It's kind of difficult to simplify these concepts so lay people will understand them to the fullest extent without at some point having to use more direct and "intellectual" jargon.

The kid didn't say anything of value or intelligence. A bunch of words with absolutely no truth or meaning behind them, basically what a college degree guarantees you in this world. Jesus is the only way.

Donald Lutkin congrats you've passed the first test in understanding atheism 😉

Donald Lutkin i like your reasoning

Yeah, i laugh every time I hear atheists claiming their beloved "reason" rally. They claim we are here for NO reason, yet they find that reasonable? Absolute idiocy. *Proclaiming themselves to be wise, they became fools.*

...just a hunch that they are certain yet not certain about.

@@HiVisl You do understand that there is certainty for all intents an purposes and then there is absolute certainty. And there is no contradiction in being certain for all intents and purposes about something but not being absolutely certain. I am for all intents and purposed certain that the sun will rise tomorrow but not absolutely certain. It's the MO of these guys to try and catch their interlocutors in an apparent contradiction. But in most cases there is no contradiction that doesn't disappear when one considers that many words have more than one definition and that we often use terms sloppily without differentiating between different sense of words like objective (ontologically or epistemically?), truth (absolute or relative? analytic or synthetic? correspondence, or pragmatic or tautological?) These are all pertinent distinctions but when the atheist in the vid tries to point out some distinctions he gets talked over and pepper sprayed with stupid questions about 'brain fizz".

So?

@@raysonraypay5885 hahaha good one

He's an extremely high IQ genius you can tell instantly.

@@BlindVeganRescue he’s autistic

@@TylerJordan601 what?

He is gay

It takes more faith to have a lack of faith. Sir i think you might want to actually look up definitions lmao.

I find this kind of comment highly ironic. The implication, of course, is that "faith" is what it is: The excuse people make for believing in things without good reason to believe it. Of course, atheists don't ever claim they believe because of "faith", but plenty of religious people who have every single one of their arguments refuted wind up resorting to it.

​@@atheisth5066Words don't have definitions, they have meanings. Two exact similar words in English can mean two different things. It's how the statement is MEANT not the actual definitions of a specific word. Classic mistake of the atheist. You recommend reading a dictionary, while never taking a Logic or Basic English Comprehension course yourself. Adorable!

​​@@OhramiLol, so you quote the blue-haired, limp-wristed, mentally ill Dillahunty? You DO in fact claim you have faith not to believe it or you would not believe that train of thought. I see no basic English comprehension courses in your life either lol. You're LEAGUES below this topic. Stick to holding up a BLM sign or whatever it is you people do..

@@Jerharris90 "words dont have definitions they have meanings" And atheism means a lack of faith. How was my comment wrong?

You have faith in nothing?

If Christianity is true, would you become Christian?

Silly little strawman games that you silly little theists play. Have you ever considered growing up and being an adult? :-) Try it sometime, you may enjoy it.

If Christianity is true, would you become Christian?

SuperCal ROFL I know it isn't true, therefor the question is invalid. Not to mention that I worship absolutely no one.

+Hanover Fist spoken like a true Satanist. twisted and wrong up the wall. get a clear understanding if Christianity before you judge and demonize it. I've read most of your comments and everything you think Christianity is, is false.

+Logan Swartz of*

+Hanover Fist 1 cor. was a letter from Paul to the church in Corinth. In that time and location, women had a lot of religious sway as they were seen to be more connected to the supernatural. Such as oracles and priestesses. They had an authority in religious matters. Now in the Church in Corinth, women were speaking out about other Gods in the church and were trying to incorporate pagan ideals into the Church (This was different from celebrating Christmas on the same day as Saturnalia). Paul was telling the church to be silent about what they were preaching as the apostles sent men with the proper gospel to teach the church. Paul also told people who are always speaking in tongues with no translator to be silent as well as prophets. The NT does not support chauvinistic ideas. The first people to witness the resurrection of Christ were women. By Jewish law, they could not actually give a testimony at all, and yet the NT records it and gives credit to them. Most of the miracles Jesus did were to women. Paul later says to the church of Ephesus for husbands to submit to their wives and love them as Christ loved the church. In other words, die for them. Gender does not really play apart to Christ as he calls us his bride. This includes both male and female. In regards to the second half of your comment and more specifically Luke 14:26, the greek word used here is "Miseo" which can mean to detest, denounce, or love something less than something else. In the context of this passage Jesus is telling all who was following him to do the latter. If they are not willing to leave everything and follow him, they aren't his disciples. This is a major practice among Buddhists. So Jesus isn't saying hate your family or even disrespect them, He is saying, that they need to love Him more. This does not violate the 5th commandment as Jesus is God, and they are to love God more than anyone anyway, and two because loving Christ more than family is not considered dishonorable to anyone. Finally, Many times in the old and new testament and even today, people were and are expecting a violent king that would lead an uprising against their oppressors. At the time of Jesus, people thought Jesus was going to lead a violent insurrection against Rome. As we can tell this was not the case. But Christ did not cause division. Division came from the fact that Religious peoples and all who would not accept him would turn against his people (Which, by all accounts, we can see happened). When he says he came to bring a sword he meant that, there will be families destroyed as many will not accept those who believe in Christ. He's speaking of those who will be persecuted on his behalf. We see this even in modern times especially among the apostates of the Muslim world and now, more prevalent, in the western world... Malachi 4 (and I'm sure you're referring to Mal. 4:6) the verse is not speaking of children reconciling with their parents, it's speaking of children of God reconciling with God. It's not even a prophesy about Jesus, but of John the Baptist as his message was about repentance or changing one's mind from their old ways. Finally, I will agree that religion sucks and Christ thought so too. People can be easily blinded by religion and that's why Christ died to do away with it. He came to establish a kingdom which is free from religious hogwash and rituals but love and relationship with the King of Kings. I hoped this cleared up any misconceptions. Some words are hard to fully translate into English. ^_^

Every babee is born G-Dless, in other words ATheist. I absolutely agree that babees lack "science, logic, morality" these non physical thoughts, ideas, descriptions, concepts, immaterial tools are only fabricated in human beings when they are becoming older. Kindest regards from a REBORN ATheist, from GERMANY.

Shows what happens when you presuppose or start with God. How do I fix these problems? I'll just make bald assertions that God exists and he fixes everything. After all he's a panacea for everything. What an absolutely arrogant, naive, and dumb fucking thing for you to say this kid knows God exists. He know God exists as much as you know Thor and Zeus to exist

@nickj14711 So are you making the claim that NO Christian's are honest and that ALL atheists are honest? Just the fact that you put that comment proves objective morality, proves Absolute truth, and proves God is the Creator of Heaven and earth. You really dont have any idea how ignorant you really are to the most basics of logical reasoning and biblical evidence that are inseparable. I honestly ask you to think harder than what your thinking.

@nickj14711 Thank you for replying, I liked your last comment. Well first, I have objective morality based on this collection of ancient manuscripts that have been collected over the past 3,000 years. If you would like to discuss the validity of the bible we can do that, because it seems like your not sure if the bible is a reliable source, when you said it has been discredited I was puzzled. I was puzzled because your claim that the bible has been discredited isn't true at all. In fact it's quite the opposite. The bible has never been proven to be false, no man in all of history jas been able to prove the bible to be wrong. They might try to discredit it, and claim they have found something false, but there has never been evidence that proves the bibles false. On the contrary the bible is the most validated and proven written literature that the human race has. So where did or who did you believe that told you otherwise? The bibles validity is part of why I accepted objective morality, why back 15 years ago. Then second, As for the lying Christian's, one thing is that everyone lies to a certain degree because we have a sin nature. However, we would have to address each of those claims individually and test then before we could actually make the objective statement that "Christian's are constantly lying, making claims they cannot support." One reason is because there are many Christian's who have made claims that they have been able to support and prove, over and over, despite new atheistic critiques. I agree that some christoams run from uncomfortable discussions, but not because they believe a true bible, but because they are not equipped to give you a good answer. And what I mean by a good answer is one that will somewhat satisfy your question. It's one thing to provide you the evidence, which is easy but the burden is on you because you choose not to believe the literal evidence. That's called cynicism. It would awesome if you were a skeptic and critique the bible from that perspective, but based on your comments it seems that your a cynic. You ask questions not to find an answer, but instead you ask questions to try and prove Christian's wrong, regardless of the evidence they provide you in all of these threads. The fact that you have an "objective moral" opinion about the validity of the bible and Christian's inability to reason with you puts a crack in the very foundation you reason from, and frankly is a contradiction foundation. Much love nick🙇‍♂️💗

@nickj14711 You just proved objective morality by calling Christian's immoral... I dont even think you understand objective morality nick. By what right do you have to call stoning children according to a set of rules immoral? Why do you even care if something is moral or immoral? And if you care, is your opinion only subjective, even though you claim its subjective but make your conclusion objective? Your contracting yourself the same way all athiests do. Also you say CREDIBLE but what you really mean is ACCEPTABLE. The evidence of God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit is physically, emotionally and spiritually proven to be credible, however accepting it takes faith, a trust. Same principle with Evolution, micro and macro, Big Bang theory, Strings theory, Theory of Relativity. Those belief systems all take faith to trust in them based on what's presented. Those latter however contradict themselves where as Christianity hasn't even a single contradiction when understood in its entirety.

@nickj14711 And also I recant my opinion of you being cynical because unlike cynical atheists you have had the patience and courtesy to have a very healthy conversation about this 🙂💯 I applaud you for that 🙇‍♂️🙏👏

I disagree. I was an atheist with faith that God didn’t exist before I was saved

I hope he's doing well. I'm glad to see people discussing respectfully.

I know having to deal with a bunch of idiots making baseless claims must be hard lmao.

@N58 Jaramillo mountains literally do create themmselves lmao. also we know those things are created because we have seen them be created have you seen a universe taht was created? It doesnt take a genius to realize that some things are created and some things are not do you think every single snowflake is created do you think every rock formation that looks like a face was created? Just naming things that we have seen be created and say muh god created eveything isnt an argument its just a slightly more advanced god of gaps. Hahaha i love when the bible thumping idiots say the bible says your dumb lmao the bible says the earth was flooded and a man buildt a wooden boat to survive it clearly it isnt a reliable source.

@@atheisth5066 It's not created when something is made from existing stuff It's created when something is made from nothing. Mountains may be made from a volcano or an earthquake pushing up existing material, who created the material that the mountains are made of. You have a lot of faith to believe that there was nothing and then all of a sudden there was something that banged together and stuff exists.

@@Bosscat321 it is created? There once wasnt a mountain and then due to plate tectonics there was a mountain. Something being created doesnt require a comcept that humans cant fully comprehend?

Jeff didn't even make on cogent point. All he did was badger the kid with inane questions and never let him develop the counter arguments to them. It takes about 2 seconds to make an illogical argument and many, many times longer than that to explain why the argument is illogical. That's why Jeff keeps asking questions, never listening and never letting the other guy develop his counter argument before hitting him with another inane question or argument.

Phhhhh...his reasoning Skills?..really??..like his rational thinking skills of "uh, because the Bible says so!"really? ..a 2000 year old book written by supersticious goat herders?..Thats way more rational than all of the modern day scientific proof that its all complete bullshit. might wanna re think the ways you feel so confident about your faith. Maybe a 3rd grade education?

@@snuzebuster so, does transcendent morality exist? If it does, where does it come from? If it doesn't, what business do you have disrupting me while I 'neglect' my child until it wastes away?

@@briggy4359 What do you mean by transcendent here. If you mean having a source in some supernatural authority , then transcendent morality does not exist IMO. But society definitely has an interest in protecting its young. Also, we have a natural instinct to protect children. Between those I feel confident that people and society will step in to protect children when necessary even in the absence of any idea of there being "transcendent" morality. Morality does in some sense transcend personal opinion as it's determined IMO by a sentient social evolutionary imperative that is not subject to human opinion. Morality is, at it's core anyway, ontologically subjective (mind-dependent), but epistemically objective (not a matter of opinion or fashion).

Lol

dude I thought my headset was going bad. I had to start another video to make sure I hadn't just randomly gone deaf or something 😂😂😂

Nick Jones fake news Nick. Creation testifies

Eric Craig. I agree. I was SO frustrated listening to this! He hardly got the chance to follow through his thoughts and explain himself. Not the way to try to win someone.

So you liek word games lmao. Heres the facts bud presupsotionalism is the weakesg form of apologetics and its the final step to losing faith in god lmao. Youve already admitted that you cant provide evidence for your god so now you have to make a bunch of baseless claims to move the goalpost.

A lot of baseless claims to

Still better than "magic". At least we can see fizzing taking place in reality.

The "Brain fizz" argument has got to be far and away the most retarded argument in the entire history of arguments.

No his arguments, as much as the uber aggressive Duribin allows him to make them are not ad hoc at all. There was nothing ad hoc about his making the distinction between analytical and synthetic propositions to try and make the point that it's not a contradiction to say there are absolute, universal truths, ie., analytical truths based on the definitions of terms, but the there is no absolute truth, no synthetic worldview that corresponds perfectly with reality. However, before he gets to actually develop his point Durbin, like some kind of hyper- active child, cuts him off with more inane blather about brain fizz.

Yes. Hopefully, he will find his way to the truth of the Pythagorean worldview and won’t feel the need to attach unnecessary appendages to “justify” what is already self-evident.

@BullseyeBullsclaw I never called myself 'stardust with brain fizz" because to compare complex electrochemical information encoding and processing in the most complex structure in the know universe to soda fiz would be idiotic.

Amen!!!!!

@@brookesmith5913 thanks :) never looked back and I’m amazed that I’m still learning about Christ.

Yep and its the only conversation since presupsitiolism only works once until ghe person actually realizes all you made is a bunch of baseless claims.

@@atheisth5066 then why did he go there and when did he do that? Don’t act like the shoe ain’t fit for a ripe old man who cares about that. It’s called common courtesy

Or let him call Matt's show.

I'd like to see William Lane Craig, Frank Turek, David Berlinski or Kent Hovind go on his show too.

@@Rapturo_to_YESHUA kent hovinds an idiot frank tureks entire argument is god of the gaps wlc claims infinity is irrational yet thinks his god is infinite and ive never heard of david berlinski.

+zachariahm10 :-) no need to defend him, i wasn't attacking. :-) i saw that too, but for argument sake you do need to be patient, if not you come across as a bully... Bless

Do you think the atheist guy was actually answering the question? I felt like he was not. But even though that's the case, I do believe he would do better to let him finish.

The atheist is not man enough to stand strong and speak like a man and stand up for his point. Men can debate and argue and speak with authority that's called masculinity, something that people rarely see in today's feminized culture.

1) You still have not demonstrated that I lied;therefore, you’re still guilty of the ad hominem abusive fallacy.2) You still have not demonstrated my supposed confirmation bias; therefore, you’re still guilty of the ad hominem abusive fallacy. Furthermore, your usage leads me to believe that you don’t know what the term actually means. Confirmation bias requires a person be aware of evidence contrary to their position and willingly, purposefully ignoring an overwhelming amount evidence. You have not demonstrated this once. 3) Wikipedia is not a credible source. And your use of confirmation bias is flawed. 4) Thank you for admitting you were wrong and that you were guilty of the red herring fallacy.5) A straw man argument is, by definition, an invalid argument. 6) Actually, no, I didn’t just use Christian or even pro-Christian sources. I also used Jewish, Roman, Greek and Samaritan sources in my responses to rohadt Anyad and to you. All of which are anti-Christian sources hostile to Christianity. All of which I cited.7) Sorry, but Richard Carrier is not a credible source when it comes to Christianity. He is mythicizer, believing Jesus to be a myth, despite all evidence to the contrary. His peers in the academic world (like Bart Ehrmann and Gerd Ludemann) all acknowledge Jesus existed, even though they may not agree with specific Christian truth claims about Jesus. This also explains why he doesn't teach history at any accredited college or university.8) First, Antiquities 20.9.1 does not say, according to you, “that he existed according to some people.” It says Jesus was known as the Christ. I cited this passage because it is evidence that Jesus existed, which you denied by affirming rohadt Anyad’s argument in an earlier post. 9) I suspect that you would have addressed all five lines of evidence had you been able to refute them. 10 A video of an unknown, unnamed speaker does not constitute a credible source. 11) Your statement was refuted; just be an honest atheist and admit that without trying to self-justify.12) I’m not surprised I didn’t convince you. You’ve never once taken a fair and honest evaluation of the evidence that Christian apologists or myself have presented. Your presuppositions have been at the forefront of your every response.13) I’ve visited non-Christian websites to see what they have to say. I find, generally speaking, that they offer nothing new and only repeat the same tired, refuted arguments over and over again. Some write better than others and some have better arguments and evidence than others; but when you break it all down, the skeptics a priori beliefs continue to take precedence over the evidence and how its presented.14) As before, your response is filled with unsubstantiated claims and assertions. For example, you say it’s possible to confidently assert that the names were attached to the gospels later in history. But you provide no evidence. You’ve accused me of confirmation bias. But you provide no evidence. Here's a thought for your next response. How about you try responding with actual evidence. How about you try responding to the actual arguments being made. How about you try responding without self-justifying why you were wrong. And how about you try responding without making false accusations or logical fallacies.

jeremiah sams totally agree, everyone should know that by now. When someone feels strongly about something and you ask a question to them they would go on and on and on. What I did love about this tho is that even when Jeff didn’t let him finish he still talked with respect and love

Proof to me there is a god. Proof to me that his name is not Allah.

mleeb16 Says the person who believes the earth is flat.

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The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” - Psalm 14

Read the bible, then you'll know.

"The saddest part is that everyone knows Internally that God exists". - you cannot possibly know that, so are willfully lying

NewJersey's BlackSuburban Religon - the stupid believe in it, the wise deny it and the powerful make use of it

Strange how many Christians get caught diddling little kids and their siblings or children. How many Christians fill the prison. How many Christians cheat and lie. How many Christians are lying politicians. How many Christians got caught on AshleyMadison. Now, remind me who is the sinner again? ROFL. Hypocritical fools, all of them.

Dude, fuck you. I´m not normally triggered like this, but that first sentence there is just incredibly generalising and offensive. Provide us with proof of a god existing, and if his law makes sense I´ll gladly follow it.

Amund Raknes the bible contains over 2,000 prophecies that have been fullfilled that's a mountain of evidence, and if we look at fossils there are no transitional species that would support the unprovable theory of evolution

People get their morals from their parents or legal gaurdians

Jason Lohner who's stopping you from refuting it? Is it darwins survival of the fittest?

Jason Lohner I'm aware of evolution, I'm not denying that it exists, but I'm denying that a world can exist with morals, logic, morality, and life itself without Said God.

Isn't Dawkins basically saying in the selfish gene (if that's the author) that we aren't even autonomous individual persons, but that our every action and emotion and individuality and opinions and thoughts and feelings are all just illusions created by our genes to propagate themselves as effectively and efficiently as possible?

Bible Study Channel Oh boy oh oh *oh boy*

Ben Shapiro has a stick in his butt and it'll take Jesus Christ himself to reform him for he his heart inst that bad it's his stubbornness and he refused to acknowledge him as his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ

Dude I was literally just thinking about Shapiro

@@monkeyandtangerines3621 yes, but Jeff can be used by Jesus

NO WTF THAT OTHER PEOPLE BELIEVE I AM ATHIEST MYSELF!

LIKE WTF!?

yes

Making up shit isnt a good worldview lmao. Presupsitiolism onlh works once then the person actually realizes its a bunch of baseless claims and destroys the argument lmao. Also in your own worldwiew you cant know anything lmao.

If masked gunmen stormed the house of a homosexual, dragged him and his partner out of bed, executed his partner on front of him and told him if they ever caught him engaged in homosexual conduct again, that he'd be next, then he would likely comply with their "rules". So no, it's not that atheists don't want rules, it's just we're unconvinced that there is a God. Otherwise I would become a Christian (or rather, remained a Christian) because even though I judge God's character to be morally insane, violence has universal value that transcends all the quirks of philosophy, politics, religion, money and so forth. I'd deem eternally singing the praises of this mad lil' Kim Jong Um is preferable than spending an eternity being Kentucky fried. But again, I am not a believer because there is no good reason to believe.

The Lordly, Godly, By-God, Transcendental Community? Yes, the men in this community don't seem to want anyone getting in their way of them fucking little boys up the ass.

Of course there's a creator. His name is Tyler and he makes amazing songs.

Rush Leigh everyone does not know Gods love... just bc they have different beliefs doesn't mean they are arguing... it's our job as Christians to tell people about God.. and Jeff does it beautifully.. he is kind, concerned and intelligent... and how do you know what this will lead to? I'm still watching but I've heard the atheist say 3 times so far that what Jeff said was very interesting.. so he's thinking about it.. this conversation could unite a spark... I think Jeff does a great job at spreading the gospel Mark 16:15 And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. John 12:48 The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day. Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. Matthew 28:19-20 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” Mark 16:15-16 And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 1 Peter 3:15 But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect, Colossians 4:5-6 Walk in wisdom toward outsiders, making the best use of the time. Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer each person. You are right about love... and loving each other is sharing God with them...and to do that with atheist you have to get through to them first.. I think Jeff does a excellent job 😊✝️❤️🙏

he wasn't destroyed. jeff starts out with a claim that offers no testable validation for, then tries to flip it by saying the atheist makes a claim, and then ask for the same thing he refuses to supply.

Well he has to man-up and put on his big boy pants and be strong and dominant in arguing-not feminine and passive. Debating is a man's game not for wusses.

well...that's jeff's tactic...interrupt ad nauseum

Judging by the Presidential debates, it seems that debating is a woman's game now... maybe you should woman-up and go put on your big-girl pantsuit...

Lmao that's how Christians argue tho.. They use circular arguments and non sensical questions that are easily answered over n over again (they don't listen and go to another subject) then they claim victory.. Yea sounds about right.. Bottom line The Christians have NOTHING but faith (hope) to back up their arguments and that's what's crazy to me.. The atheist actually uses science EVIDENCE to back up his stance.. Sorry Christian didn't win at all.. This little atheist guy isn't that great at shootin the non sensical questions down tho

"how can you think you're a well thought out person and the minute you say "i can't know anything for certain" you don't immediately challenge that thought with some reason?" I think my worldview is well thought out because I put a lot of thinking time into it, even years worth of thinking. When someone says you cannot reasonably be 100% certain of most things, they are not saying you cannot be 99.9% certain. Reason and logic is what leads to the position that it is foolish to be 100% certain when humans are capable of being wrong, and it is usually the dumbest of us that are the most certain their beliefs couldn't ever possibly be wrong. Ironically, they are usually the ones who are wrong the most.

I disagree. You can know both from an intrinsic sense, and from reason, what is objectively moral. By moral I mean what the right thing to do would be, and therefore it's opposite, the immoral, or incorrect course of an action, and it's consequence. Pax Christi. ☘

@@roisinpatriciagaffney4087 You are confusing instinct with "intrinsic sense". Everyone grows-up learning the experience based arguments of their culture (social contract), then tests that learning against reality. Some social intuitions are instinct, but most is learned. But the ultimate decision is subjective, regardless of the objective consequences.

@@LogicAndReason2025 l'm convinced that there is objective moral truth. ☘Would you agree that knowledge is one thing, and virtue is another?

@@roisinpatriciagaffney4087 Virtue is subjective opinion. Only actions and consequences are objective. All thoughts, feelings and opinions are subjective. They exist objectively, only in the sense that they are brain impulses. Even knowledge is simply data software about reality.

@@LogicAndReason2025 You have your feelings about truth, and l have my conviction that moral truth is equal to reality. Knowledge may well be learned, but virtue makes each person more than the sum of their subjective knowledge.☘

@Angelo Gomez Amen

Feel free to share this knowledge

You know I wasn't really convince Jason, until I read your post and saw the capitalization of the word god and the word sin. That really proves your point

P M Toner what are you protecting?

Plz share this knowledge, I would like to learn.

nickj14711 I just simply liked his honesty and his attitude. This discussion was more towards a philosophical perspective. The goal was to get to the train of thought or reality that makes more sense and coherent with reality. No one can obviously make God visibly appear like the Flying Spaghetti Monster. What evidences do you need that will satisfy what you’re looking for? What are you willing to give up in search for truth?

Romans116 It's also a fallacy. Jeff switches the use of the word "certain" to fit his needs. Which basically is lying. Apologists like to do this with "absolutes" aswell. When I say "There are no moral absolute truths" I get the question, "Is that absolutely true? " Which is a shift in the meaning of the word Truth. It is taken out of context. It is a shift from a "moral truth" to a "factual truth". There is a distinct difference between the two. And shifting between them, in order to fit your needs, is fraudulent. I guess Jeff wants to go to Hell, then...

Williams World View Hey look, we are talking about world views that fits coherently. I don’t think these guys are saying you can’t be factually correct or morally correct, etc... they are simply saying systematically it is incompatible with atheism. I 💯% agree with them. It’s a perspective that makes sense. Over on this side from my filters, worldview, logic, reasoning and experiences, atheism is the most ridiculous thing one can take hold of. This isn’t to offend you but to tell you exactly what I believe. No matter what I will respect you as a person as made in God’s image. At best it makes sense to take the side of agnosticism where you don’t know for sure but philosophically, scientifically and even mathematically, it’s impossible for space, time, and matter to converge simultaneously without an intelligent mind behind it, let alone the explanation for life, and the complexities of the universe. It makes 0 coherent sense to believe everything to have existed on its own by itself with no programmer or writer of these codes, fine tuning of laws of the universe. Even if we believe that prior to Big Bang there are multiverses that plunged this universe into existence, you cannot have an infinite regression of causes. There must be an uncaused caused, something or someone not bound by time, space and material. I can also tell you that in my real life experiences I have seen hundreds of supernatural things that confirm scripture. I was a Christian for 18 years, never seen miracles or confirmation of evidences of what Jesus did or what he claims to have done until 2 years ago. I am just like everybody else, searching for truth but believe that I am doing it better and honestly than most people. My nephew born deaf on left ear without an ear canal has been going to therapy for 5 years with 0 improvement. When he turned 6, my brother and I laid hands for prayer just like scripture said and we believed with faith. Moments later he was healed and we have the medical records to prove 100% hearing in both ears. His mom, my sister in law, took scans on her lungs and doctors found scarring and she also has diabetes. When I laid hands in prayer, the power of the Holy Spirit came and nearly knocked her to the floor. Weeks later took another scan and scarring completely disappeared which if know about lung scarring, it never actually goes away. I gave 3 eyewitness to confirm aw well. I have hundreds of stories that you wouldn’t believe. Have casted out many demons out of people, people suffering from depression, anxiety, suicidal thoughts, sleeping disorder, eating disorders. People with cancer, years of chronic pain and illness. So many surgeries canceled because I prayed and God spontaneously and instantly healed them. If you do not believe me in the Supernatural sense, you need to take a look at Dr Joe Dispenza. He doesn’t claim to be Christian or atheist but he explains the supernatural world and the quantum field and how it’s connected with humanity in the scientific way. But when looking at it closely you can obviously see it makes 0 sense to disconnect God from what’s been created and programmed in the universe. You want proof here’s your proof. If you deny and are a skeptic fine, but don’t be a pessimist and dismiss it just because it conflicts with your world view. Investigate and search. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j-ChlL15y8fPYJ8.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jKp7f7x3vsmYYIU.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a91-lJurnNmyhXk.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/odmJgNF7vMnRkZ8.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nZ6drLx_ptK7Zok.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aMthqtKK2peskok.html m.kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a8thY86q3Mq0c4U.html

nickj14711 Read the thread above, my response to the other guy. Look for the evidence there. I sent multiple links.

Nothing Jeff said proves there is a god and you will not be able to provide proof of god. Anyways, what is gods word?

"Sin" is fabricated in the evolved-primate brain. Sin does not exist on its own. Sin is not an immaterial object.

>>>constantly have to rephrase and correct what they just said

James Thompson in the begging was the word, the word was with God and the word was God. Jesus is the word of God that's why the Bible says the word became flesh.

It's a nature.

What are you on about? Science is used to try to understand the world around us. Humans get things wrong yes…and that’s the great thing with science. We can fix and adjust it when we learn more. How is that a bad thing?

Oh well. That proves there's a God. Not!

Most people couldn't see Him if they saw Him.

+Pastor Matthew oh man, I now believe after that reply hahahahaha haaaaaaaa Religion is 100% man made like Harry Potter or lord of the rings

It is not the Christian's responsibility to bring anyone to faith. We're messengers. :)

+Pastor Matthew Oh shit, faith! Christians always use this to avoid providing evidence. Thank you for dodging that bullet lol Do you agree with evolution?

Elliott Johnston As a Christian, I’ll say that this pastor knows what we Christians know, and the “atheist” cannot know these things because he’s not taught in the ways of Biblical thinking. He’s a nice guy but just doesn’t “get” Christian ways of looking at life. But how can he, or you, learn about our Creator if no one tells you? We want you to have what we have-joy, peace, and eternal life in Heaven! Only offered while you’re alive; once you die it’s hell, too late! Please don’t reject God.

Elliott Johnston He certainly has a well rehearsed script to throw at people, but it doesn't go much deeper than that. But apparently it's enough, because even if someone knows how to correct him on his fallacious philosophical reasoning like the atheist in this clip, his followers will still eat it up as a "win" as long as he repeats his catch phrases often enough and with sufficient confidence.

whether your an atheist or a Christian, most people have a rehearsed point they use to justify their position. which does not make the point anymore valid, but it probably has more substance due to the longer "brain fizzing" on that point. i don't think there was a winner, i see that people can be better educated on someone else position over a debate. unfortunately we live in an internet world of click bait and trolls. Eat the meat, spit out the bones.

Ok here is the problem with your argument, Jeff goes to the places where aithiest and others are supposed to be experts on what they believe, same as him, yet every time aiethiest and others prove what they say they believe they actually don't, aiethiest believe we are bags of chemicals fizzing, now if we go by this only using their logic not mine, then how did this begin, most would say the big bang, problem is every scientist says something had to create the stuff that created the big bang and something created that and something created that, ok this is why most scientist have started looking at higher life forms as our creators, read any scientific journal and you'd see this

The guy he's debating is the VP of the Agnostic and Atheist Society at Cornell. Get real.

Thamnophis you can only go as far as the argument allows you to. If the other person doesn't allow the argument to get to morality and proof of God then you can't just take it there because you're stronger there. The point isn't for Jeff to show how much he knows, but to get the Atheist to understand the failure in his claim, and if it gets to morality it gets to morality.

Tyler Josephson, once again: the difference between the atheist and theist is the additional presupposition of a deity IN ADDITION TO the presupposition of reason. Both parties use reason, but one party adds an extra assumption, that the laws of reason work only because of some supernatural being that can neither be observed nor falsified. The difference here is that there is literally no evidence that will sway the theist out of his or her position, whereas there IS evidence that will sway the atheist.

"Saying that the laws were invented by god is just a cop out, because you still the must justify how you logically came to the conclusion that god exists!" What are your saying here? It sounds nonsensical. The Christian is saying that God created the human mind to operate consistent with the principles of logic, which explains the intelligibility of science, logic and morality. Whereas, atheism assumes the human brain formed with these capacites from an impossibly unlikely unguided evolutionary process acting on primordial slime. It's about inference to the best explanation.

JP atheists do not assume the brain was created through evolution, they theorize that it was, based on numerous lines of independent evidence... BUT, if you want to presuppose that logic was made by God, you still have to justify God's existence; otherwise you are just moving the goalpost. Once again, both the atheist and theist assume that reason can help lead to reliable and valid results, but the theist must nest the added assumption that there is a god who created reason.

_"if you want to presuppose that logic was made by God"_ Thamnophis your reading comprehension is very poor. The issue isn't about God making logic, but rather about God making the human mind with the _capacity_ to understand logic. _"BUT, if you want to presuppose that logic was made by God, you still have to justify God's existence"_ No, no no...the Christian is suggesting the capacities of the human brain _are_ an argument for the existence of God. _"Once again, both the atheist and theist assume that reason can help lead to reliable and valid results, but the theist must nest the added assumption that there is a god who created reason."_ No, no no...theists aren't "nesting" in an "assumption," they are suggesting that, based on the evidence, God creating the human brain is a *better* explanation for the brain's capacities than theorizing that these capacities originated from an impossibly unlikely unguided evolutionary process acting on primordial slime

says who?

and once again, I say "says who?". Are you implying that since I am an atheist, and accept the fact of evolution (which, by the way I can check out the evidence for myself, as can you) that don't believe that there is nothing wrong with murder?

in fact, I think my morality is superior to the morality in the bible, being that I do not condone mass killing, infanticide, rape, incest, or any of the other atrocities, and or immoralities condoned by the god of the bible.

slavery : Leviticus 25:44-46 (NASB): As for your male and female slaves whom you may have-you may acquire male and female slaves from the pagan nations that are around you. Then, too, it is out of the sons of the sojourners who live as aliens among you that you may gain acquisition, and out of their families who are with you, whom they will have produced in your land; they also may become your possession. You may even bequeath them to your sons after you, to receive as a possession; you can use them as permanent slaves. But in respect to your countrymen, the sons of Israel, you shall not rule with severity over one another--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Infanticide :Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones Psalm 137:9---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Rape: Deuteronomy 22:25-29 "But if in the field the man finds the girl who is engaged, and the man forces her and lies with her, then only the man who lies with her shall die. "But you shall do nothing to the girl; there is no sin in the girl worthy of death, for just as a man rises against his neighbor and murders him, so is this case. "When he found her in the field, the engaged girl cried out, but there was no one to save her. "If a man finds a girl who is a virgin, who is not engaged, and seizes her and lies with her and they are discovered, then the man who lay with her shall give to the girl's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall become his wife because he has violated her; he cannot divorce her all his days.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------as to your response God had his reasons.......What reason could every justify murdering women and children. as to your response about incest....so the genome was still pure enough by the time of Abraham?what you are trying to do is rationalize something to conform to your belief system, but in the actual here and now you would be abhorred by it. We as a species have evolved beyond a bronze and iron age belief system.

now I would like to ask you a question. How do you define your god? I ask that because you said by his grace he allowed humanity another chance.

God has gifted him with a man who has no idea what atheism is has no idea how evolution works says bullshit about fizzing and thinks atheism cant explain logic because its not universal. Clearly god hasnt given him a gift lmao.