Apple Forgot to Erase This iMac (PART 2) - Krazy Ken's Tech Misadventures

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@ComputerClan 2 жыл бұрын

Hey all! Enjoy the follow-up episode! If you want more rare Apple-related episodes, please leave a like on the episode so I know people are interested! Thanks! 😇👍

@DimitriPILORGE 2 жыл бұрын

Are you planning to try installing a clean mac os version on it ?

@lazer1036 2 жыл бұрын

Really interesting

@murderer2022 2 жыл бұрын

@@DimitriPILORGE no

@Keyba674 2 жыл бұрын

@@DimitriPILORGE no way he will install a clean version on it

@sudo64 2 жыл бұрын

@@Keyba674 he's probably going to recover the hard drive, since it can die at any moment.

@NathanM125MB 2 жыл бұрын

Poor Nemo, getting rejected by Apple. Glad Krazy Ken gave it a new home for it to reside for the rest of it's life.

@gustukas 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Nemo is probably very sad right now (yes I know it's just an iMac)

@TheGlitchyMario 2 жыл бұрын

@@gustukas in this comment reply chain, it’s fine to personify things

@Mario583a 2 жыл бұрын

Finding Nemo.

@circleubuntu 2 жыл бұрын

finding nemo

@meap_me 2 жыл бұрын

Nemo's probably really happy it's heart (the hard drive) is backed up..

@desktopecho 2 жыл бұрын

Late 2009 iMac was announced on October 20th. Your iMac serial decodes to a manufacture date between November 8 and 13th, 2009. Not sure how many were available immediately at launch, but some configurations were delayed for weeks. Early machines also had horrible QA issues. If I recall correctly these machines were cursed with power supply issues and Radeon video chips with bad solder joints. This machine may be more interesting than you are led to beleive. Not sure how you ended up with it, but all signs indicate it was a pre or very early production machine given-up on and destined for the crusher. That's why the serial number doesn't validate on Apple's site - This iMac is not supposed to exist! Not as cool as finding a lost prototype iPhone in a bar, but still pretty cool!

@voidyt9939 11 ай бұрын

I'm not sure if this is an issue across years but iirc Radeongate was a 2011 thing

@saurabhkulkarni8854 2 жыл бұрын

It’s very cool to see internal jokes from a company as straight faced as Apple.

@ghajik. 2 жыл бұрын

after all there is federighi

@babyboomertwerkteam5662 2 жыл бұрын

Straight faced? Apple? The Apple that made weed jokes at WWDC? Are we thinking of the same company?

@yaygya 2 жыл бұрын

@@babyboomertwerkteam5662 And also a company that literally uses the initialism 'lsd' in Mac OS X?

@PureCowJuice 2 жыл бұрын

@Ramin OmarWWDC 2014. OSX Weed: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qaqKjLd9y56wZJc.html

@game-tea 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah lol I know of 2 connectors called "frank" and "frank 2" on the 2009 Nehalem Mac pro motherboard, if you know where to look they actually have quite some funny easter eggs in their products.

@oakdaletech 2 жыл бұрын

The different icons for the software is due to the fact that individuals create software and pass it amongst the teams. I worked at the Keystone Fashion Mall Apple Store and I and a few others built software that we passed around stores we visited. The same thing happens at corporate for validation software. When I went to Cupertino for training I traded apps with other Genius Rooms in the area. It is a lot of fun to see what we can come up with on our own time to help us do our jobs better and easier. Some of those things end up being standardized and even have gotten people pushed up the ranks from the retail store to corporate as Geniuses don't technically work for retail. They report to corporate entirely, but are managed by retail.

@magicschoolbuscarlos 9 ай бұрын

I'd love to see some of that stuff released publicly, especially given that in most areas you can't just swap stuff like that because there's only a handful of apple stores in the state.

@King_Dub_Dub 2 жыл бұрын

I'd like to imagine there's intern out there who watched this and is remembering the time he found an dead iMac in the testing room and assumed it was a processed reject. Better hope Apple doesn't hunt him down!

@unicodefox 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe the power supply failed while they were doing the secure erase so it didn't actually complete?

@SomeAngryGuy1997 2 жыл бұрын

More like it didn't even begin

@nikkiofthevalley 2 жыл бұрын

@@SomeAngryGuy1997 Some files are securely erased, but some not. As well as the broken partitions with nothing in them, this smells of a mass erase that was stopped abruptly.

@SomeAngryGuy1997 2 жыл бұрын

@@nikkiofthevalley Maybe the files themselves were erased, but if they had gone for the whole drive, it would be unreadable

@navidmafi 2 жыл бұрын

that makes a lot of sense

@NotAPROtagonist 2 жыл бұрын

maybe it was intentionally left in because they must've knew the power supply is faulty or defunct in a way, meaning they may have been planning to throw it away, also meaning that they probably removed the mac details from the database then again, idk

@Mempler 10 ай бұрын

"8 Power consumption testing" "To be determined" That would explain the power supply dying on you, they never even reached that point lmao

@gravitytech 2 жыл бұрын

since you backed it up, i’d love to see a video of you going to the genius bar, trying to get them to “fix” it.

@BilisNegra 2 жыл бұрын

"This is so old, it's not worth at all, you'd be much better off getting a new computer"

@AshcroftConnorYTwillbetaken 2 жыл бұрын

Good ending: they wipe the iMac and install a clean copy of Mac OS X on it Neutral ending: "this iMac is so old, buy a new iMac" Bad ending: *FBI OPEN UP*

@gravitytech 2 жыл бұрын

@@BilisNegra true, that’s probably what they’d do

@nanopone 2 жыл бұрын

apple developers LOVE simpsons references. internal software is full of them.

@theforerunnerreclaimer 2 жыл бұрын

That's odd, usually Apple would erase it, wonder how that happened and how it eventually ended up out in the world

@CanMav 2 жыл бұрын

Fell off the back of a truck... yeah, that's it...

@zachsmith1731 2 жыл бұрын

I imagine some dude hiding in the bushes out by apples dumpsters 😂

@Cpt_Core 2 жыл бұрын

some intern was told to dump it but instead they took it home? idk

@aribantala 11 ай бұрын

Common logistics shenanigans... Figuratively "fell out from the truck" stuff. Could be from any kind of missed logistics. More common than anyone think. Usually people who aren't as tech savvy, not as enthusiastic about this nitty gritty stuff, or just don't see any use of holding onto it would just reformat the entire thing and would repurpose it to their own (use/sold/cannibalize for parts)

@Xnoob545 10 ай бұрын

I bet someone was like: "welp, [current situation I am in] is really bad, imma get fired. Might as well leak one of their computers with the test software, they can't fire me twice. Also, this is some nice revenge, I hated those guys"

@bongoms 7 ай бұрын

A real shame to not publicly archive the software.

@rat_world 6 ай бұрын

Could you please reconsider uploading the drive image somewhere?

@RirtyDascal 2 жыл бұрын

That clip art “column” looks so familiar for some reason. It looks likes something I saw in my childhood on our old Macintosh we used to play Shufflepuck Cafe on, amongst other things of course. Shufflepuck was just my favorite.

@EricGranata 2 жыл бұрын

Reminded me of clip art that was bundled with HyperCard.

@juliecool 2 жыл бұрын

Really unfortunate this fell into the hands of someone who won't upload the image. Still a cool find I suppose.

@robert1975031 2 жыл бұрын

Did you fix that backlight issue? or was this one of the times nemo decided to work? the idea about the machine not erasing completely might have traction. it was likely that the bad power supply was the cause of it failing QC, but still odd that somehow it got out. my guess is that usually these are sent back to the production line to repair the issue that caused the failed test, but this one never made it there.

@ComputerClan 2 жыл бұрын

The backlight has been working better lately. All I did was unplug the power and hold down the power button for 5 seconds, then plug it back in. 🤔

@TheStormicBeing 2 жыл бұрын

I like how you explain everything in your videos. As a blind tech nerd, they’re very entertaining, unlike some other channels. Also, how many computers do you have in the layer? You might of said in another video, but idk.

@raven4k998 2 жыл бұрын

he does it by taking his time to try and understand what he is seeing and cross referencing his sources

@ahscott2001 2 жыл бұрын

If I ever made software that costs money, I’d put in the license terms that after 10 years it’s free for everyone forever. Why? After a decade, I will either be making a version way better and not care or just plain not care.

@babyboomertwerkteam5662 2 жыл бұрын

You could just GPL your software (i.e. have it open source) and sell it anyway. Red Hat does that to huge success.

@2001herne 2 жыл бұрын

@@babyboomertwerkteam5662 There's a piece of animation software called aseprite that does something similar - essentially, if you've got the know-how or the willingness to compile it yourself then it's free. But if you want a pre-built binary then you've got to pay.

@Tearnalte 2 жыл бұрын

@@2001herne so does ardour, it's a great business model - fair, but still makes money

@babyboomertwerkteam5662 2 жыл бұрын

@@Tearnalte aseprite and ardour aren't exactly the same - aseprite is proprietary but "source available", while ardour is actually free (as in freedom) software. you can't distribute your compiled binary of aseprite, but you can do that with ardour.

@Tearnalte 2 жыл бұрын

@@babyboomertwerkteam5662 ah, didn't know that

@kuremaClaimer 11 ай бұрын

It's last year's video so he should already know, but the "clip art images" in 11:21 is actually the files of the dictionary (/Library/Dictionaries). To be specific, it's New Oxford American Dictionary's images. Every macOS contains actual dictionaries of various languages you can read on the app named Dictionary and they're not encrypted. You can use zlib and small script to unzip. The contents are basically lots of html files. You can also convert it to another format if you want and it's OK in your country.

@kantraa 2 жыл бұрын

that mysterious 1.9 terabyte "Apple_KFS" partition is something called a *K* ernel *F* ile *S* ystem. that's what KFS stands for. it's kinda like /proc in Linux, a virtual filesystem that is constantly updated.

@ComputerClan 2 жыл бұрын

Ooh. That's cool to know. What does /proc mean in the Linux world?

@kantraa 2 жыл бұрын

@@ComputerClan afaik, /proc is where a bunch of "virtual files" that are 0 bytes in size live in. these files are all read-only and are in RAM. although i don't exactly know a whole lot about the linux file system so take what i say with a grain of salt. you'd be much better off watching a "the linux filesystem explained" vid from a guy that knows linux much better than me like mental outlaw or fireship.

@starletscarlet 2 жыл бұрын

@@ComputerClan /proc is a filesystem in Unix like OSes (freebsd, linux, plan 9, etc) that represents information of processes as a filesystem

@ComputerClan 2 жыл бұрын

@@starletscarlet I learn something new everyday. ❤️

@nikkiofthevalley 2 жыл бұрын

Could someone explain why you would want a separate area for kernel stuff? I'm very much starting out in OS dev, and can't really see the reason you'd want that.

@youatoughguy 2 жыл бұрын

you 10 years later when you've forgotten it and remember it: Finding nemo

@alessandroemili6785 10 ай бұрын

Please create a vhd or something out of that disk and share it!

@andresbravo2003 2 жыл бұрын

odd how Apple iMac really has something for debugging purposes.

@seizing 2 жыл бұрын

how is it odd? y'all should be thankful that apple HAS this because if not, their products would go straight to trash

@Necrox894 2 жыл бұрын

Was eagerly waiting for this episode

@sauwercraud 2 жыл бұрын

Great Job Ken and Brent! :)

@cydragon2.099 2 жыл бұрын

Even though i'm not a fan of Apple this was interesting

@ComputerClan 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you 😇

@the_mariocrafter 2 жыл бұрын

@@ComputerClan I'm only a fan of Mac's and retro ipads and iPhones and ipods

@babyboomertwerkteam5662 2 жыл бұрын

@@the_mariocrafter I never thought I'd here an iPad or iPhone be called "retro" in my life and now here we are. Am I officially getting old?!

@abdelali9279 2 жыл бұрын

Wait, I also thought it was a weird cover of don't fear the reaper, but imagine unironically listening to Weezer that you can recognize all of their songs

@ComputerClan 2 жыл бұрын

Good, so I’m not the only one who thought that 😅

@telephoto Жыл бұрын

it’s a song off of blue album, their most popular album

@ashisharky 2 жыл бұрын

This was a quite interesting little journey

@gdutfulkbhh7537 10 ай бұрын

I love those older iMacs with a sensible place for the SD card reader.

@ambientraindrop726 2 жыл бұрын

Ooooh! Can’t wait to watch this!

@dougkinzinger 2 жыл бұрын

Off-topic question - why was there a disappearing bottle of Sweet Baby Ray's barbecue sauce on the back shelf?

@ComputerClan 2 жыл бұрын

Mark Zuckerberg might know 👀 The answers lie in the Meta event.

@suioganwilliam 2 жыл бұрын

Added to my download playlist!

@saltyshellback 2 жыл бұрын

Wow! Now that was an interesting rabbit hole!

@ComputerClan 2 жыл бұрын

indeed 🐰

@Starfire-nv3nk 2 жыл бұрын

If that archive website can have monterrey on it I'm sure it can have old testing software, but I'm not a lawyer

@brunoh.1312 2 жыл бұрын

could you extract the GPU kelts? parrot geek could use them, since this is a test OS it could have x86_64 kexts that could work with older Macs like the MacBookPro2,1 to run more a more modern version of OSX...

@OneAndOnlyZekePolaris 2 жыл бұрын

YAY PART 2!

@Tearnalte 2 жыл бұрын

Perhaps the Spotlight folders and filesystem events folders et al. can be used to find remnants of old files?

@saxman112 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, what a fun rabbit hole that was to hop down! Also, gotta love the random bottle of Sweet Baby Ray's BBQ sauce that you have behind ya. :D

@FunkyFurret 2 жыл бұрын

I love that brand@

@Jammermaker 2 жыл бұрын

That shits delicious

@pinbi7 2 жыл бұрын

the zuck would be proud

@zizlog_sound 10 ай бұрын

1:26 Does Apple ever care what we - their customers - don’t like? Just to name a few: Soldered RAM and SSD, glued in battery, glued screen, irreplaceable boot code in iDevices so they become a doorstop after Apple DROPPED iOS support. And that’s just the hardware side of things.

@paytondev 2 жыл бұрын

Have you tried showing hidden files to find the /AppleInternal file?

@kbhasi 2 жыл бұрын

(11:21) Without checking other comments, I'm guessing that's clip art for iWork, and specifically Pages and/or Keynote at that. (edit: maybe also iWeb)

@DavidP089 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for making backups.

@codyfan1097 2 жыл бұрын

Quanta def still operating ken! That’s where the leaked designs for the new MacBook Pro were hacked from

@AlisonCassidy 6 ай бұрын

This is giving me the heebie-jeebies watching this. I wrote chunk loads of those diagnostics, back in the day. Anyways - still sworn to secrecy, so saying nothing :p

@Angel-mp6xu 2 жыл бұрын

Nice keep it up man

@ComputerClan 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you : )

@dragotatsuki5303 2 жыл бұрын

This is so cool seeing this

@cieludbjrg4706 Жыл бұрын

Very interestesting, but wayyy over my head! :D

@faythang2513 2 жыл бұрын

May i ask how did you manage to get the backlight on again? I thought Nemo was broken.

@topmandog1 8 ай бұрын

he said it randomly turns on and off

@tquad8699 2 жыл бұрын

I would say in about 5 to 10 years from now it might be safer to go ahead and upload this as an image to some place in the cloud, but you do have a point its apple property and entering a grey area :(

@ryderrepairs 2 жыл бұрын

Those kinda look like the animals from the old world book CD, that came with those iBook's.

@danielhabazin 2 жыл бұрын

hahaha, everytime i see internal stuff my brain yells neeerd, and that makes me happy since i know that i'm one!

@wiwbssjh8233 10 ай бұрын

Quanta California in Fremont references a computer repair company, it could explain your previous incident with the computer and also it’s origins. Perhaps the computer was damaged by someone at Apple and sent to a repair store, it eventually never got fixed and wasn’t desired to it never underwent a wipe and was later resold

@emiloguechoons9030 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but if this was a quality control reject how would there be lots of jokes/personal stuff on it? Surely the quality control process is supposed to be as quick as possible, run the software, do the tests etc and move on to the next unit, how in that situation could someone have the time to put joke software on it? Or was that just the standard OS image (with jokes and all) that was loaded onto the machine during the QC process?

@TheAkashicTraveller 2 жыл бұрын

It looks like this phoenix team put the jokes in the diagnostic package.

@RilGames. 2 жыл бұрын

peepin it real 😎

@SameAsAnyOtherStranger 2 жыл бұрын

Did you match checksums on the two backups

@AJersy 2 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah!

@user-vr4nm6yx4i 2 жыл бұрын

TBD - to be declared 😆

@RenderGames1 4 ай бұрын

Computer geek here, the "KFS" stands for Kernel File System, its automatically erased when the mac is setup/done testing.

@jldpittman 10 ай бұрын

The sticky fingers bottle 😂

@justinvzu01 2 жыл бұрын

Considering Pheonix CE is a client version, you wouldn't be able to do much without Phoenix SE, a potential server version. So even if a mac gets out that wasn't wiped, no one would be able to properly diagnose major issues.

@aeches 2 жыл бұрын

It also probably queries an internal server, so if the potential still exists, it can't connect without being on the intranet.

@the_mariocrafter 8 ай бұрын

Almost @PhoenixSC

@defaultdriftco00 2 жыл бұрын

I’d like to address that bottle of Sweet Baby Ray’s Barbecue Sauce on ya shelf back there…🤤

@TUBEYOUTHETUBE 6 ай бұрын

how did you fix the backlight?

@sketchyhuman3523 Жыл бұрын

I would really like to see a part of a video or like a post showing what a system like wireshark says.

@CJT3X 2 жыл бұрын

Doesn’t apple use red logic boards for their prototypes? Not sure if that was still a thing in 2008/2009

@sdzkhelya 7 ай бұрын

i mean, he said it is probably a QC reject.

@gelobag1254 2 жыл бұрын

If on all of these old iMacs they had this software installed for testing, And then were wiped, Couldn't you run data recovery software on one of these iMacs that has never had any other data stored on it, Like has just been setup for the first time, And recover alot of this? This would be hard to find one though because this would only work with a hard drive, Not SSD.

@SStarlight9614 2 жыл бұрын

technically as long as the information hadn't been written over thru use a bunch of times.

@gelobag1254 2 жыл бұрын

@@SStarlight9614 Yeah, That's why though I was thinking that it would need to brand new.

@eDoc2020 2 жыл бұрын

Their secure erase script surely writes over the data itself, making data recovery using software impossible.

@charleshathcock2585 Жыл бұрын

At 3:58 that bottle of Sweet Baby Ray's BBQ sauce vanished. Did we have BBQ for lunch?

@JPlexer 2 жыл бұрын

So KFS is the definition for that IRIX Manual and it just appeared because the hard drive was a bit wonky

@Aeduo 2 жыл бұрын

Those extra logos look like Apple NFTs.

@AshcroftConnorYTwillbetaken 2 жыл бұрын

These Apple NFTs go so hard I'ma screenshot all of 'em 📸📸📸

@hykomq1256 2 жыл бұрын

Hey ken, I really want no cameras allowed it is great so keep doing it please.

@finnvega9979 Жыл бұрын

About the cat help screen, one of my sisters has a friend with a cat that likes sitting like a person in a cat bed

@TheMichaelGrace 2 жыл бұрын

Where did the Sweet Baby Ray’s BBQ sauce go?!?! 😱

@ComputerClan 2 жыл бұрын

I ATE IT

@TheMichaelGrace 2 жыл бұрын

@@ComputerClan 😆🤠

@eliasalamzoai87 Жыл бұрын

if nemo met my imac nemo: hi mac: helo nemo: we look same lol

@Official_Lucas37 2 жыл бұрын

i like the peepin it real icon

@Derpy1969 2 жыл бұрын

If it is a PVT sample it is production intent, but only for testing, not for sale. It’s a test sample.

@Amorousstake4 2 жыл бұрын

Branianc brain has the most true name

@garyuppledycktyke9073 2 жыл бұрын

The sweet baby raise in the background

@void_vintrax3087 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe this device was returned to apple were they then used it as a test device and were about to ship it out

@YaBoiJohannesburger Ай бұрын

I have several theories. Do you remember that Reddit thread of somebody that got shipped another similar os MacBook? After digging FCC I d's of each apple computer, the image of the OS replicates the exact one on the Reddit thread. They both have the Phoenix app. And they both have the blue background from Macintosh. For this one it could have been used for fcc. Remember the first part of this series and remember that app that was used to test signal interruptions? That has to do with the FCC.

@thejoman9011 10 ай бұрын

this would be be helpfull for repairing my friends iMac

@generalgrafx 2 жыл бұрын

02:03 “As you may have saw”?

@retro_cam925 Жыл бұрын

when will you review that iMac in the background of your videos

@charleshathcock2585 Жыл бұрын

Is that a bottle of, Sweet Baby Ray's BBQ sauce in the background?

@nikolan123 2 жыл бұрын

Nice

@Watrmeln 2 жыл бұрын

now this is interesting and all, but is anyone going to acknowledge the bbq sauce on the shelf

@bramvandenbroeck5060 2 жыл бұрын

Share the clipart dude! I want those cute cats and doggies!

@compaqdeskpro5770 2 жыл бұрын

What's up with the Sweet Baby Ray's barbecue sauce not in the fridge?

@twhitus 2 жыл бұрын

i think the real question is why is there a used bottle of bbq sauce just sitting on the shelf behind you?

@ComputerClan 2 жыл бұрын

Mark Zuckerberg might know, especially if you watch the Meta event. 👀

@noxious_nights 2 жыл бұрын

Cease and desist unboxing when?

@ryan225360 2 жыл бұрын

Can you *please* post a dump of the hard drive somewhere???

@MrKrabs-mz9zj 2 жыл бұрын

He explains in the video that he won’t out of legal concerns

@astrotone Жыл бұрын

TBD probably stands for “To Be Determined”

@DooryardEd 2 жыл бұрын

So now that you know it’s just a reject and you fixed the power do you have any plans on wiping it and testing a regular install?

@ComputerClan 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely not. I want to keep it in its special state.

@FunkyFurret 2 жыл бұрын

@@ComputerClan but you have a backup!

@GaomonAndLucario 2 жыл бұрын

@@FunkyFurret It's not often that you find a Mac with these kinds of files on it, why would you decide to suddenly wipe it clean for a fresh install? Even if you have backups, it will never be the same as having the original intact and running on its own machine.

@jb888888888 2 жыл бұрын

Open it up and replace the HDD.

@superNova5837 Жыл бұрын

@@FunkyFurrethe mentioned it at the start of the video

@WalterMan 2 жыл бұрын

Why is there Sweet Baby Rays in the background lol

@ComputerClan 2 жыл бұрын

Mark Zuckerberg might know. Check out the Meta event. ; )

@p.a.reysen3185 2 жыл бұрын

As said on the first video. I suspect that once you try to connect to Apple, it will be flagged.

@JeffreyPiatt 2 жыл бұрын

It's apple they would be vindictive enough to care. Weezer is probably there because it came on the Windows 95 CD-Rom as a multimedia demo.

@Beateau 2 жыл бұрын

Apple being apple, they are probably loving these vids, but would absolutely sue you into the ground if you released anything from that Mac.

@crazydave6522 2 жыл бұрын

Don’t worry about the legality of uploading the hard drive image. Plenty of people have uploaded Apple internal apps and software to the internet archive and Apple hasn’t done anything lol

@ComputerClan 2 жыл бұрын

But what if they do? 🤷‍♂️

@SavvySage 2 жыл бұрын

Better to play it safe than to take a risk when it comes to things like this.

@mr.cringe61 2 жыл бұрын

@@ComputerClan You already showed the system. Uploading isnt really different. If you upload it to the Internet Archive, without mentioning it on KZfaq, then Apple cant find out from where the files came from. I already offered you to upload the files myself. If you didnt uploaded a video with it, I would understand it more. But I know the apples sues are very expensive.

@MrKrabs-mz9zj 2 жыл бұрын

@@ComputerClan If they thought to, then they already would have long ago. But you can easily find a collection of common Switchboard firmwares for iDevices uploaded on Internet Archive two years ago to name one example out of many. I believe in preservation of all accounts in the mindset that others will be able to learn from it and expand upon the knowledge we have already, you’ve done a great job documenting the discoveries you’ve made and it on its own is what I consider to be preservation. I just also believe that if one were to have the ability to explore it hands on, there’s so much more to be unraveled; what you’ve documented already was from you doing that yourself with the help of knowledgeable individuals.

@jb888888888 2 жыл бұрын

If plenty of people jumped off a cliff would you too?