Right now, we have almost zero! One running game gets all our money! :-)

The moment gaming is completely mainstream on Apple is the day windows thin and light gaming laptops die

You'd probably hate to play Apex with a 60 ms screen response time anyway:(

Geez do your research Dave. Its just wine with very few new lines of code. Dont praise the fruit, when they dont deserve it.

​@@lukashavel7690 true that, not only but also a tool meant for devs in mind and not really much so for the average joe.

Does not drag out any information for watch time , straight to the point

Coz unlike many Yt and I meant the biggest most watched YTer That focus on Emotion Cool edit Fancy shots Up beat music But not much info Sadly most ppl still prefer those

Dave’s a legend

This is the reality, all those vids at 15 plus minutes, thats all for the algorithm,

It's not exactly a lot of information and he spent the first minute just talking about him seeing someone play Cyberpunk. Adam Tsai had an actual technical discussion in a 4 minute video

I think the power was always there since m1 hit. But dev support has been god awful. This tool smells like Apple is starting to turn around.

What you know is about to change. Macs will be meant for gaming, and Apple won't give up until they own the space.

@@Dave2D but do you think these apple silicon macs have better GPU than dedicated GPUs like Nvidia? Further Nvidia has been the leader in this market for quite a long time so I feel they have way better software and hardware optimizations as well..

I mean, with M1 chips MACs show stupid numbers...and i was actually craving D4 on my M1 Pro which I am def going to try now ..

@@Dave2D but tbh, any laptop that has same price with a mac can run better than mac

Apple put the DX12 subsection into the public domain. Think about what a very good DX12 emulator in the wild will do to Windows sales...

@@tonyburzio4107 that's cool, their tool is in that case also open source just like the base tools i mentioned, I just want these base tools to get the recognition they deserve for making this possible at all.

@@tonyburzio4107 one should note that they very likely are required to do that because of the license terms. Apple is still Apple and without gaining something valuable they tend to keep their stuff proprietary. In this case they gained the ability to do what they do, actually get somewhere. Metal and Vulcan are much closer than Metal and the old Dx APIs before 12 (from what I know), and Linux and MacOS are both in broad strokes POSIX/Unix based, this means the Windows API adaptions in Wine also kinda work.

I believe Mac will also be doing an x86 to arm jit, which I would expect to cause a decent perf hit. On top of the wine conversion.

@@tonyburzio4107 Proton is already in the Linux world and is what made the Steam Deck possible. While some people confuse that you need Steam OS also that isn't true. You can use Proton with virtually any Linux Distro. Plus running modern gaming hardware plus the low overhead of Linux games are already running faster on Linux than Windows. Wine/dxvk/proton are not emulators. Proton converts directx to Vulkan. It isn't emulation. It utilizes Wine and DXVK (DirectX Over Vulkan) for translating DirectX programs to Vulkan. Games built for Windows communicate with graphics cards via DirectX, and it allocates the resources needed to run them.Under the hood, DirectX initiates Direct3D calls to render the graphics. Proton steps in here and converts these calls to equivalent Vulkan calls. This is how Proton runs Windows games on Linux and Linux-based systems like the Steam Deck. The problem with this method so far is there are still some issues with anti cheat. Simple terms it thinks code is being manipulated or altered. The problem with MAC OS and this method is that MAC OS killed off 32 bit support. OpenGL support and hasn't supported Vulkan or DX. Using this method would still basically mean you probably won't ever get older 32bit dx9 games running. Unless Apple changes something. So in the end it could be good for the most modern of games supporting DX12 but could still have issues with everything else. Some developers are still bringing games to market using DX11. Online games like Guild Wars 2 just got updated but instead of going with DX12 they also went with DX11 for whatever reason.

HeisenbergFam the type to comment before watching the video

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There's nothing hype about software that's existed in different names for atleast 6 years.

We both know that's not gonna happen, sadly. Most likely this will end up being its own close source gabbagool, which is sad. I'm tired of using windows, but sadly I like to play multiplayer games so I just can't switch to Linux, and Mac is a flipping overpriced joke.

The DX11/12 bit to Metal is new and is not using anything from proton. Apple is not going to upstream this as it concludes the HLSL/IR to Metal IR compiler. But they have already pushed the other changes they made upstream, (very small amount of changes outside of the DX compatibly layer were needed)

afaik they legally have to do it due to the winehq's license, but i'm not sure

@@33up24 macs are far from overpriced at this point

Apple won't, MacOS is based off a open sourced OS called FreeBSD. Which they have contributed nothing to, except asking the developers to patch bugs that they steal the patch code for. Sony does the same thing with the PS4 and PS5.

Its even more crazy when you think that the same chip is in an 11 inch iPad Pro.

tbf apple dont really showcase the game porting toolkit in wwdc tho, all this was found after the conference. People probably think this gonna be like last year RE8

@@nff_1950 fair enough, still like to see Apple showing any sort of dedication to improving gaming on their hardware

Hope you are fucking wrong because I’m getting a MacBook pro 14 in like a month and I will kill myself if the m3 is superior for gaming

The future of silicon is open-source hardware, including chips like RISC-V. The same people who say this is never going to happen are the same ones that said open source would never take off a few decades back. In the end, companies and developers will be reluctant to invest in proprietary hardware that a single company controls. Investing in Apple as a developer is a one-way ticket.

@@Netz0 I agree with you that there is a future where open source hardware and software will be mainstream. We are already heading there with RISC-V and Linux. In fact one of my wishes is for Valve to develop their own Custom SOC based on RISC-V for a future Steam Deck. However Open Source is not going to be the only future, it will coexist with Proprietary solutions. Manufacturing on advance nodes will be too costly for most open source hardware developers. Apple has already taken 90% of TSMC 3nm, leaving Samsung and Intel as the other options. Though both Samsung and Intel are improving in manufacturing they are not anywhere close or as good as TSMC. Still open source hardware developers will have to compete with Intel, AMD, Qualcomm and Mediatek. Google has already started porting Android (which is also Linux based) to the RISC-V ISA which is great for such a young ISA. If Google start developing their Tensor SOC based on RISC-V that will be an even bigger boast for open source hardware. Game Developers are more and more adopting different platforms instead of putting all their eggs in one basket. The Apple Ecosystem is too big for them to ignore. Right now big game studios can be a bit hesitant in developing for Apple platforms because of the way Apple restricts their stores. However Apple is big enough to buy or start their own studios. It is easy to develop the same game that can be played on an iOS, iPadOS, MacOS and VisionOS. It is too huge a platform to ignore for developers. For now developing for Sony's PlayStation, Microsoft's Xbox and Windows Platform allows for Developers to ignore Apple. However now that the transition to Apple Silicon is over, I have a feeling Apple will double down on gaming. Apple understand that adding another new platform is going to be a challenge for all but the big studios and have done a lot to help indie studios by progressively improving and making it easier for developers. My prediction is in 2025 Apple will launch their gaming platform when they also launch a more consumer friendly VR solution.

Yeah, I fully agree with you. I heard something about the M3 chip set would have the gaming components for obviously gamers. I'm like you in thinking that it would be geared towards the M3 pro and Max chip set which would be in the 14 & 16 inch MBP laptops.

Not really. Wine and ProtonDB also works great in this regard. Problem is any kind of DRM or AntiCheat components which needs some minor collaboration of devs and they wont do it because there are no money to make.

@@desther I know wine and proton isn't that crazy since that's what the Linux and steamdeck communtiy use to play Windows games on Linux but apple silicon is doing that as well as translating x86 to arm with rosseta. Mac os is never going to be a gaming computer like a windows PC but I own a crappy windows desktop just to play rocket league and GTA 5 so if I can somehow get that working on a MacBook I won't need my PC anymore.

@@JohnDoe-qj3iv Can you play GTA online or only single player?

@@colindavidch nope, I can't play GTA Online, but there might be some fixes to it on KZfaq. I don't usually play online so never tried to fix this issue.

apple really said ight its our turn now

I feel like if apple started making gaming hardware, it would be much easier for devs unlike how it is in the pc space rn. With hundreds of different cpu + gpu combinations and varied settings, it's tough to optimize games for pc. And that's why we have hot garbage like LOTR gollum. With apple every computer would have the same 1 or 2 chip. That would be much easier to deal with for devs. A gaming mac would be a pc and a console in one product. This is very exciting!

@@Justakatto LOTR Gollum is just a bad game all around and not even a Mac native port will fix it. Also, devs don't really have to keep track of CPU + GPU combinations when the game engine and GPU drivers take care of most of compatibility work.

@@lewsee5562 ofcourse they don't go around doing all permutations and combinations but they still have to test out some combinations

Standing on the shoulders of the linux work

the spec alone can see the base M1 is stronger than steam deck, on theory if the port properly done then it has the power almost twice as the deck. Really hope apple doing this project seriously

@@nff_1950I did a geek bench and the M1 got higher single and multi core scores than my i5 10400. That’s insane when you consider that same chip is in an iPad….

The base M1 GPU is on a par with an RX 560. A budget, entry-level GPU from six-years ago. I know "very impressive" is subjective, but I would go with "bare minimum" being more accurate.

@@invaimage The M1 itself is from 2020. So a three year old GPU, not six (use the M2 if you want to make that comparison). Also, M1 is used mostly in thin, fanless laptops that never had anywhere close to the power before Apple silicon. So yeah, it's pretty impressive that a three year old super low-wattage mobile APU can run games at the RX560 performance level.

@@invaimage Which is still a higher graphical base to build on than many Windows games that have to support older and less powerful GPUs than that even.

Hahaha *apple* hahaha *open source* 😂😂😂😂

@@ayooshiyer8621 apparently there is crossover code in it, and that uses wine 🤷‍♂

It's a billion dollar a quarter revenue for Microsoft.

Except for older games that are 32 bit

@@nathancasey7712 yeah, good point.

I tried it on my M1Pro Mac, but it's just too complex to set it up unlike Crossover. And all games do not work as if now, it also is a hit and miss sometimes, because I had to open up steam 3 times before it became stable enough for me to run it. But yeah the performance is insane. It runs games better than my friends "Legion 5 Pro RTX 3060" on battery. For a while now gaming laptops have just become a desktop replacement, but this laptop truly feels like an actual laptop that could sit on my lap and game, without the temps reaching 100* C and without the need of connecting to any power supply. I can easily game for at least 3.5-4 hrs before needing to charge it, if apple is somehow is able to figure out dx12 support Mac will become the definitive device to play games on. It's just the combination of amazing display and amazing build quality with amazing sound system.

Basically any game was playable on Intel Macs, too. I just had to reboot into Windows for a decent Steam experience.

Remember, the games are being used to fix the emulator. The poorly running games will be studied with ferocity to figure out what is wrong.

​@@tonyburzio4107 or some games just run poorly because they weren't properly developed (as is already the case on PC)

Mac laptop are great until, it's brakes or need to upgrade components

All these games are being emulated. The fact that a M1 chip can run those games that well it’s astonishing…

im with u, need a Mac for what I do for work, I got a steam deck to keep the steam love going and its a beauty

Why?

@@evacody1249 would rival Xbox Game Pass, and with the Apple hardware market share they can easily take PC gaming market share away from Microsoft if they implemented a proper PC gaming version of Apple Arcade.

@@evacody1249 Because Macs are powerful and efficient?

​@@darthraider450 Man it could be a very hard time for Microsoft, because before Apple M1 release, Microsoft also been procrastinated too much in Windows on ARM project and only improved it by a bit in Windows 11 ARM (previous Windows on ARM was very awful back then that it can't run most exe programs)

​@@darthraider450 lmfao that's never gonna happen 💀

I mean if it's not a money issue, keep your gaming setup for games and do everything else on the macbook.

More for people like me too who want an all in one device. I'm intrigued by this too. Ngl

They already earning more than Microsoft and Sony combined in gaming thanks to App Store so I think they already know that. Yes that it’s not their priority!

@@bo4Elite there is a difference between casual gaming where any iPhone will suffice and playing AAA games where gamers are willing to spend extra hundreds/thousands dollars to play a game at a few extra frame rates.

Probably, but you will probably want an M3 model when it comes out. All day gaming at the park, on battery.

its not about the performance anymore, its about tweaking the software handshakes

​@@tonyburzio4107 calm down man, that ain't gonna be possible with how little the M generations get upgrades.

@@eulehund99 past ≠ future. 3nm is key

​@@tonyburzio4107 I think it's already possible. with the m1/m2. For example, Metro Exodus and No Man's Sky run insanely well on the 14 inch base m1 pro. Let's hope more developers port over their games as the m1 line up would make great gaming laptops with low power churning out intensive graphics and great screens (at least the macbook pro/max line with XDR). On both games I get 2k ultrawide high settings with frame rates in the 80-90's. Didn't buy this laptop for gaming but it's becoming suprisingly a bit of a beast.

@@innocentiuslacrim2290 Yeah but do you get 18hr + battery life?

@@innocentiuslacrim2290 I agree. I do like their battery life though. That is a real win. Their unified architecture means that you don't need as much RAM as a PC to do the same level of tasks which is nice, but the shit part is that you need to order everything upfront.

Apple placed the DirectX12 converter subsection into the Public Domain as part of Wine.

Expect framedrops after every two minutes of gaming.

Yeah enjoy the 3mins of flawless gameplay before it throttles to shit

@@592Johno Bro you are four years late.

@@xskullcrow3269 Yeah, he's right. The Macbook Air is going to throttle hard, it doesn't have a fan. I own the Macbook PRO M2 and it can get hot quickly, I can't imagine a laptop without a fan is going to perform great for medium-high graphics games.

My M2 Max actually runs much better than Steam Deck at similar settings. Many of the performance metrics I’ve been seeing are with graphics options set to ultra. With D4, for example, at more moderate settings at higher resolutions I’m getting 80-120fps. Not bad for two levels of translation.

@@tronam Yeah the M2 Max is magnitudes more powerful than the chip inside the Steam Deck so its probably brute forcing through the additional overhead.

@@tronam well yes, but that’s because of sheer brute force

Does not use VK3d at all.

@@oozly9291 For sure, but at least it shows that even a lazy port could be coerced into running decently well on current Apple silicon chips.

Yeah. We need a good ARM option, there is just no real way to get good battery life from a full blown PC

If only Apple extend this toolkit to iPad

@@ivantan8877 The toolkit is not intended for users to use, that is infact in breach of the license terms.

@@hishnash which license that get breached ?

@@ivantan8877 the terms on the emulation env only permit you to test out how your games work, (as a developer).

No, it's Wine with Apple working with Crossover to make it work in emulation. Then, you feed the result into a Metal translator to make a native Mac program.

When you think you know more, but you know nothing.

@@xskullcrow3269 see? A denial fanboy is here. glad that I'm not their marketing target and will never be.

@@EroDhika When you don't have any arguments and just call me fanboy for disagreeing with you.

@@EroDhika Btw, I know what you are talking about, I have used Linux, and I have used Wine. Your comment sounds just like a hater just hating. It's not hard to comprehend, Wine doesn't supports Metal, the graphics library MacOS uses, which is exclusive for Apple devices, Wine translates to Vulkan or OpenGL. Apple also did they own implementation of DirectX. And as a bonus they have a profiling tool that you can see in this video.

No, it is heavily modified wine that Apple created.

It's actually based on Crossover - which Apple did credit. Apple did heavily modify it however. You might think "but Crossover is just using Wine" - well yes, but also no. The Crossover devs are the number 1 contributor to WINE by a landslide. Without Crossover, WINE would not exist.

​@@oo--7714 That statement made no sense. "It's heavily modified wine apple created". So it's wine and they added/modified some code. I just hope that they contribute back whatever they added/modified because of the GPL license.

​@@SchmakerSchmoo All I care about is apple contributing back whatever they change/modify in the code so everyone can benefit.

Yes, the Apple sections were placed in the public domain.

This video released a minute ago, this comment was posted 54 seconds ago. Makes sense.

some US companies are using it for decades as a marketing campaign. here, even in a game (the sims 4), they used similar method even though the core of the game is already broken as F.

I was so confused the whole time lol