When Optimum can just reach out to Apple but LMG can't 🤣

The “too quiet” complaint is interesting. I’ve heard that whirlpool had a similar issue when they improved the acoustics of their dishwashers. People were returning them because they didn’t think their dishes were getting as clean 😂

This was a great video. Showing how both machines dropped frames in that effects heavy timeline in Resolve was revealing (and also how that same clip in FCPX ran smoothly). That M2 Ultra is a beast for sure.

The version of blender makes a huge difference on macOS. They just announced Metal optimization and unless you turn that on it won't be fast. Be sure you are using a metal version.

Makes me so happy Optimum is casually reaching out to apple.. and they're like, "sure!"

Putting a 7800x3d instead of a 7950x is really just to make the comparison "more interesting". For production, no one would spend 5500$ without going for the fastest processor available..

I liked this video; though the CPU's in the video are not in the same class. A closer equivalent would be the Ryzen 9 7950x 16 core (32 thread) or intel i9 13900k 24 core (8 p cores + 16 E cores, 32 threads). The M2 Ultra has 24 cores (16 P cores + 8 E cores, I believe it is 24 threads). Just to give a more fair comparison. I looked up the numbers and the 7950x has a cinebench score of 2108, the 13900k has 2144, and that site had the M2 recorded at 1918. The M2 gets close performance at lower power and thermals is impressive. Imagine using something like this in a PC laptop?

Your lighting, composition, video clarity, audio and video editing are just superlative. I am going to subscribe just to see more of this fantastic production capability. I’ll start looking around your videos hoping to find something that discusses you recipe for production, Well done.

Production quality, content delivery, and honesty. Never a let down on this channel.

Reminder that Blender denoising is set on OpenImageDenoise (CPU) by default, but it can be switched to Optix, which runs on the GPU andis even faster. Same thing goes for rendering itself, switching from CUDAto Optix can almost double the performance of RTX cards.

Would be great if you could publish a full build list for your PC. I have been looking for something similar and it's kinda tough to piece together a small PC with a 4090.

great content. I can see you put alot of effort in this video. Love it thank you.

I really like how you compare the real life scenarios of all of these tools and not just regurgitate the specs and values of the graphs like most other tech channels do. You are the GOAT tech channel in my opinion.

A dedicated competetive GPU would be the next step for Apple to really impress with their Silicon. These integrated solutions are great but it's simply not cost effective to make a chip large enough to compete with two seperate ones. They probably cancelled the M2 Extreme for that reason.

Best 'high quality' channel on YT, thank you for your vidoes, it is always very enjoyable to watch! If you could cram that much into this box, can't wait to see what you can do with NR200P MAX + watercooled CPU and GPU 👍👍👍

Great video, not sure you’ll see this but I would like to suggest something to improve your videos! When placing comparison graphs between the two machines, you should put in parentheses if values of higher or lower are better. For example: Custom built computer vs Mac render speeds (lower number is better) [enter values here] Just a note, as some novices may not understand that it’s better to have a smaller or larger lead for it to be better (you’d be surprised how common it is😂) Anyways, love the video nonetheless!

I have a T1 with a 4090 as well and wouldn't ever change that out for a Mac Studio due to the lackluster 3D rendering and gaming performances. However, I also do completely agree it's so worth mentioning just how small this computer is and how well it performs completely out of the box. I have spent so many hours in total planning, buying individual parts, building, optimizing the build and software on my Windows. Now it's awesome, but you just gotta have the interest as well to do all that.

To be fair, a 13700K, 13900K, Ryzen 7900, 7950X would have all been more suitable for workstation workloads, for the same or relatively little more money than the 7800X3D. Apple would probably still have the CPU efficiency lead though.

What’s crazy is that the RTX 4090 gets almost triple the performance per watt with under clocking.

My Scar18 Laptop gets 2133 points in the Cinebench SingleCore (13980hx) and around 32k multi. But I'm not using the new Cinebench that has a GPU test. Maybe that changes the score results? I don't know. Ps.: Love the compact PC build. As a content creator for many years I prefer my built-in screen and keyboard, etc. But I was always fascinated by those Mikro-PC builds, too.

imagine your pc costs $5500 with a 7800x3d.

It would have been nice to see you swap out the CPU on the PC to one more production minded like the studio is focused on (like the 7950x) which isn't much more expensive these days than a 7800x3d

For the blender test, I’m not saying the Mac would have come anywhere near that 4090 but there are many optimisations now for blender on Mac that may have closed down the gap. Just wondering if you maybe didn’t enable them

Great video, thanks. I would have been surprised if either machine was the best at anything- kinda hoped your machine woulda crushed across the board (apart from power usage). My old 2012 Mac Mini would spin the fan up under load, guess they're targeting a more fragile audience. My M1 Mini is always silent.

Very well articulated. I use both tools and think you nailed the comparison.

Really great video, would love to see more of these comparisons in the future!

Putting an 8 core cpu against a 24 core cpu with an OS optimised for that very cpu is kinda flawed comparison

Loved your video! Wondering why I hadn’t seen your channel before!

Its a good day when i see optimum has posted

Production quality and editing is insane bro.

one thing you forgot to mention is that it is impossible to repair Mac (or upgrade it) in a meaningful/significant way .

Wait until the M3 Ultra. Also it really depends on your workload. Some workloads are specifically optimized more so then others.

Just a suggestion for next video with charts, you can have text under chart(Higher is better or Lower is better) because when switching from performance scores to time it could be confusing, also it's much easier than looking for a chart unit and then thinking should it be higher or lower...

It is interesting that you use a 7800x3d. That is an amazing gaming CPU nut not the best for productivity.

This is a great video! And it's so frustrating to get people commenting on "my mac runs 60fps on fortnite / minecraft". I have a gaming PC at home and I use a m1 air for work or working outside and I'm really happy with it.

I love my overhyped Mac Studio. It sucks up more dust Vs my Dyson vacuum cleaner.

your videos are getting better and better, I love the production quality and the soft-toned voice, keep up the good work!

Honesty. Something you can’t find in the mainstream. So glad this channel is doing well

Love his compact pc but it is more for gaming. I wish I could see a comparison with an equal amount of RAM and a Ryzen 7950x or Intel 13900k/s (which actually performs better for creative work). Tech Notice is so far the only channel that has done equal comparisons. Apple’s customer service is bar none and the efficiency of completely proprietary hardware/software runs amazing with less hiccups. But I don’t mind learning tech stuff and troubleshooting to get a pc running if it performs better in video editing for less money and loads of customization options. Thus, would enjoy seeing par on par comparisons

From what they are doing not the iPhone 15 pro, it seems that Apple might finally go the ray tracing route for the GPU. Right now, one of the main reason RTXs trash Apple M series is mostly because they can offload a large portion of the rendering to the ray tracing cores, while the Macs still have to calculate everything within the regular GPU cores, making it so much slower. That, and maybe finally some more software support, and we could potentially see the gap between Mac and windows getting smaller even in gaming, at least when talking about mid range stuff (I don’t expect something that consume less than 200W total performing as well as a system with a RTX 4090 that alone consume 3-4 times more power than the entire Mac system, ray tracing or not

A good video as always, and an interesting comparison, but seemed to shift frequently between "mac vs PC" and "this mac vs this PC".

Another great presentation and that build is asethetic. I think most would be interested in the Studio Display had it a higher refresh rate.

Surprisingly well lit and well shot. Very friendly and warm vibe.

I think this is the most interesting result - the computers have different strengths and beat the other by a long shot at the tasks they are good at.

The main historical issue with Mac workstations is that they release hardware that's expensive, but performance competitive at launch. But then Apple doesn't upgrade the machine for 3-7 years, while somehow also trying to maintain the same eye-bleed pricing. However, remember that threadripper builds absolutely exist at this price point, and that new threadrippers + Ryzens are due out end of this year or early 2024.

Good on you to test very specific aspects of the workflow, since the head to heads only just mention export time... but it's clear from this that there are other aspects that can influence performance a lot and would probably frustrate people more I mean when you're exporting is anyway time for a break probably, so even if it takes a little longer while you go get a drink who cares

High quality video. Better than most tech channels out there!

Lots of good points in the video. The perspective though comes from that of someone who is self employed or maybe small business. Deployability was not brought up much. A little in the beginning of the video. My pov, as an IT professional, is that for a media team or etc, is that the Mac is easily deployed especially in mass and is controllable. A custom windows build can get complicated quickly and can have very little support if something goes wrong.

Great cinematic feel, love the vids

Another great video dude. I have a small suggestion for you to consider - include a small "Less is better" or "Higher is better", or something to that effect when showing results. It could be confusing for certain viewers who are not well-versed in testing results. For example @9:20 when "less is better" is the case, but the viewer is shown a big glowing purple bar with a larger number, they may just take it at face value that because the glowing bar is larger it is the better result of the two. It's only a small/insignificant nit-pick, but I felt it was worth making a suggestion for. 🖤

Same video export speed on both makes only sense if you had CPU render enabled?

did you also used the 4090 for rendering the scene in davinci resolve?

On the fans not spinning up - there are extensions/apps for manual fan control that let you spin them up, and surprise surprise the performance improves when rendering/compiling/whatever

Do your energy comparisons also include the additional power drawn by the cooling system? Or is this simply a comparison of the watts drawn by the chip sets?

awesome editing, and finally a non-biased review. One critic: there's not enough videos like this on youtube

thanks. i`ve had my pc for about 2 months now for which i meticulously chose each part including a corsair vengence ddr5 5200MHz ram. but only after 3:27, did I realise that the ram speed is only set to 4800MHz. could have used those extra Megahertz.

As someone who uses both of these every day you nailed the use cases for both.

Very nice to see that apple is actually interfacing with youtubers such as yourself and it should be high praise that they've selected you over so many other people. It's well deserved.

Apple hardware is admirable in terms of energy efficiency but their performance is lackluster especially taking into consideration that you can build or buy a prebuild pc for nearly half the price with better performance.

If you're recording vocals with a condenser microphone, the silence is godsend. They used to make sound reducing computer cabinets to store noisy PC in studios!

The part about the pc not being plug and play is only really a thing if you build your own. Typically any off the shelf OEM pc just plugs in, turns on and goes, every laptop for example. Mac is better off the shelf like that for sure but HP, Dell and I may show my age with this next one but gateway even came plug and play back in the day. It did come in many many boxes tho lol.

A 7800x3D is not a workstation cpu, I’d probably have gone for something with more cores like a 7950x or 13900k at least for the comparison. Plus there’s monsters like the Threadrippers which would be in the same price class as the Mac.

by far my favourite tech channel keep doing you

Very objective and unbiased video. I liked it a lot. Thanks!

Really well-done! I appreciate comparing the power draw to the performance, because that seems to be something that other reviewers overlook. I also appreciate your acknowledgement that these machines are built to do different things. Neither PC nor Mac should be considered the "end-all-be-all" for every application.

I just think it’s awesome how the Mac can do this with using very little power

Nice video. Just want to point out a few things that come to mind. Firstly, I really like the aesthetics of Apple hardware. However, that is mostly what you are paying the premium for, that and their proprietary software. 1. Graphics: It seems from this video a 4060 or even a 3060 would out perform this in many graphics oriented tasks. I believe that alone would drop your custom build by well over $1000. Prices change so much, but if you spent $2500 on that card, the x060's are $250-500. So maybe even $2k. 2. Software I: Much of what you point to that you enjoy is software, which doesn't say it's without merit, but like you, I don't want to learn and be married to their software. 3. Sound. Well designed PCs can be silent even with all but maxed out loads (GPU is a separate concern for noise here). 4. Upgradablility. Mac:"What is that". With a PC, you can make a well spec'd PC live for 7-8 years now with GPU and memory upgrades. 5. Software II: With Apple taking up ARM architecture processors, it's a risk to the consumer that mainstream x86 software may never become available to run natively. So, while the game you played made an effort with a translation layer, you see what that actually means. Very poor performance. Fewer companies than previously supported MACOS will support it going forward without an industry wide shift to ARM. Side note: Since Apple makes software too, they don't mind as much as long as they keep enough of their loyal base consumers. In short, it seems that you could build a similar performance PC for $2-3k. That's an awfully hefty premium, even for Apple, to be able to get in on software with minor conveniences. Especially given how much software it locks you out of, and with ARM, that list is even larger.

That hell of setting up a of for the FIRST TIME feels like heaven though

The CPU mismatch is a bit frustrating here because 7800X3D is not really a workstation CPU. As you said, a top tier productivity CPU would still match or beat the M2.

I suppose if you have a pure-Apple workflow (ProRes footage), this thing would be a beast. I'm sure the KZfaq performance is in part because of the hardware support for H.264 and HEVC. Even Intel QuickSync works well because it is hardware-based encoding. I saw Apple now has AV1 support in their latest iPhone chip, which I'm sure will make its way into M3 at some point. When that happens, I may grab an small army of MacMinis.

But can you open it to change parts??

I have a question. The Mac monitors have ridiculous resolution.. would you be able to put it on a 1440p and gain a lot of fps gaming? Just curious! It seems to me that it is a big yes..

This video is absolutely minty clean. Great shots and lighting.

It's a little sad that we're suprised that 7000$ apple product beats a custom 5500$ build in SOME areas

4:40 them forearms though

On an M1 MacBook Air, here. I've been thinking about an upgrade for the last couple of weeks and have been really considering building my own PC instead of continuing down the Mac pipeline. I was actually thinking about using the 7800X3D as my processor in the build, since the benchmarks I looked at made it look like I'd be getting about a 2.1x performance boost than where I am currently. However, after watching your video, I think I'm convinced to get a Mac Studio instead. At this point, I'll probably wait for the M3 Ultra model to come out before I upgrade, though. Thanks for the video.

something that I wonder about, which may make for an interesting video, is the differences between something like a Macbook and an equivalently priced PC for editing and all that.

Given your track record, I hope you can make a fairer comparison in the future. Maybe a 7950x3-d, 7950x or 13900k. An 8 core chip with 3-d v-cache going against the m2 ultra is quite unfair.

Can you do these same tests in After Effects? Maybe some 4K compositions ?

You've gone from my favorite keyboard guy, to one of the top tech reviewers, in my opinion.

7950X3d and RTX 4060TI as a balanced cost machine would be interesting in comparison. GPU memory could be a drawback for some cases though.

Would be interesting to see if the neural engine updates in Resolve 18.6 have changed these numbers.

If you are researching, sourcing, assembling, bleeding, installing... that's an hourly expense that needs to be added to the raw parts costs. I have a studio ultra with 10TB of NVME and it's wonderful. OS Sonoma fixed the latency issue by prioritizing.

Yeah, I built one of the same specs and only spent about $2,000. And I did it while blind. It was quite tedious and time consuming, to be sure, and was a gamble that I'd pull it all off, even though I've fixed and built hundreds of computers before in the past. A lot of time had passed and computer architecture had changed greatly since my last build in 2018 using 10 year old tech even then that I was more familiar with.

Can you do a comparison with an actual CPU designed more towards work stations rather than a gaming chip.

Even though the stuff you use is way out of most people's pricing, I really love how you're able to bring everything back and keep things to real-world, multi-use cases, even for people on smaller budgets.

there are mac studios with the same cpu and a pcie x16 bus but with this integraded graphics it isnt a fair battle

Would have felt a 5900x +4080 would have been the better comparison. 5800x3d is almost exclusively a gaming processor (in productivity it seems to run about the same as a 5800x)

You never fail to deliver. Great video

Idk how you managed to improve on your already great cinematography but that intro was on par with Apple's marketing

can any of the programs you tested use the "3d" portion of the 7800X3D because I have heard that some programs dont seem to utilize the 3D (I forget what they call it) which would be detrimental to the 7800X3D's performance on the cpu portions of the benchmarks.

I would like to know what type of footage you work with. Is it ProRes? If so, Apple hardware has native optimisations for it.

Apple just announced AAA games and RT on iPhone 15 Pro which is not something I was expecting. This looks like it will be the decade of portable actual, not the usual mobile, gaming.

What are the PC cases, both the small in the test and the bigger, you showed in this video? Thanks

Great video. Something to keep in mind is that you have a dedicated graphics card. Whereas you're comparing an SOC (Apple Silicon) to a dedicated CPU and GPU (Your PC). If you really think about it, the Apple silicon chip is a fraction of the size and does not need liquid cooling. Yet it is able to compete with your setup. So a Chip that Apple just started developing a few years ago, is keeping up with the chip sets that you normally use that have been around for a long time. What this says is that Apple will have a chipset that destroys the traditional setup sooner than you think. FYI, I use Blender extensively and I don't have any performance problems. This is because I know how to configure my tool with my hardware. As a case in point I use Blender with Pixar Renderman on an Apple MacBook Air M1 and have zero issues.

Great video man, I love that your focus is on the quality of a product and a true comparison rather than being a pc/apple fanboy. Apple's new chips are undeniably incredible and my hope is that the rest of the market have what it takes to compete with them. Imagine a future with CPUs and GPUs that are this efficient and work with the operating system of your choice.

This is a high quality youtube channel.

Would also have liked to see generative ai benchmarks... the NPU's on the Mac (purpose built for task) vs. the insane performance of the 4090.

Is it true the batteries in the mouse and keyboard are no longer user replaceable so when they die or swell so does your keyboard or mouse?

7800x3d is just not a workload cpu, its a gaming cpu.