I think the main reason most KZfaqrs (who most everyone is referring to when they say “everyone is returning it!”) are returning them is because they never had any intention of keeping them in the first place. They did it for the views, got the views, and now they need to return it before the 14 days are up.

People forgot how it was with apple 1st gen iPhone. There were very few apps and aside from answering calls, everything else was in "trial" mode. It's the same here, AVP is just the beginning and returning it takes the ability of exploring new features, I am a strong believer this product will only get better.

Returned. Only caused headaches. and eye fatigue.

Thanks for your review, Spot On!

Great video Dan. Been watching for a long time and you've really gotten so comfortable with your presentation skills. Keep on keepin' on!

I just bought the AVP today. It’s charging now.

I am so glad I found your video because it is such a great evaluation of Vision Pro. I was ready to return the AVR because at 87 I certainly find it too heavy. Your video is so positive that it will only get better I feel I just have to stay the course to find out. The cost for me is not prohibitive and I am taking the view that it is less than the cost of a one week trip on a cruise, where I would eat too much and see places that I have been to before. I am hoping that somewhere I will find an immersive video of Japan as that is one of the few places on my bucket list I have not been to. Put in that context I expect to be blown away by upcoming content and I do not think I will be disappointed, So, thank you for your positive attitude and thank you for encouraging me to stay the course. The main thing I am hoping for is a way to use it without the weight causing some discomfort. Did you see the video where someone had modified a military helmet so that the whole headset swivelled down over the eyes without putting any pressure on the face. Now that was perfect and I am hoping some after market genius can come up with something like that.

I similarly get 60 minutes of comfort with the default band. With dual loop band I get up to eight hours comfortably. I would recommend to go and check if they can change your light shield and make sure that the dual loop band is right sized for your head

My guess is the cameras are too close together on the iPhone. While the ones on the Vision Pro are much further apart which allows for greater depth perception.

On the dual loop band, my initial use of it was terrible and I went with the single loop. After a few days I decided to try it again and found out one thing. The best way to fit it properly is to see where the pressure is. If it’s too heavy on the forehead, loosen the top strap and let the Vision Pro drop a little. If the pressure is mostly on the cheeks, loosen the back band to let it equalize. You may have to compensate with tightening the top band. Once you’ve got it somewhat balanced, then mildly tighten both to secure. Once I figured out that trick, I can get the dual loop to be rather comfortable. I can easily wear the headset four to six hour with either band.

2 weeks later and the amount of apps doubled. Apple Vision Pro will be very popular in the next generations as it will get lighter and cheaper. Here’s something people don’t seem to know about Apple: when they release a new category, they usually already have at least 50% of the new version ready, including ideas for software. I worked at Apple and they control the release of features and they have a crazy lineup control based on data research and it’s scarily accurate. 😊

"Knowing it's going to get better" is a great reason to wait for a future release from Apple. But it's gonna pay for itself because you have an Apple channel. Of course you're keeping it.

I returned mine as the strap size was poorly fitted at the Apple Store. After another round of sizing, I purchased hopefully the correct size. I’m keeping it for mainly travel and agree 100% that this is going to be a software driven device for the next few years.

your channel is called MACrumors, of course you're gonna keep it

Im def keeping my avp, everything you said I agree with.. was super disappointed at the iPhone 15pro max spacial video, I could have not upgraded,, maybe an update can fix some of the issues. as far as the strap, single loop for me.. Ive also learned you can position the avp for more comfort then tighten the strap. I do look forward to some 3rd party companies that might be able to design a better alternative,, maybe a thinner light seal, to move it closer to your face, and perhaps a more ridged single band like the quest 3,,, all in all, im super happy. Im revamping my work flow a bit. old work flow, iMac /iPad Pro ,,,,, now I think an m2 MacBook Air and avp is the new winner to declutter the desk and make use of this amazing device

I bought my AVP because my wife & I dabble in 3D and 360-degree travel photography, and hoped to use it as a display device. Alas, while it’s easy to display spatial videos shot on an iPhone or the AVP itself, those recordings are subpar quality compared to the dedicated photo gear we use, such as a Canon R5 with the dual fisheye lens and an Insta360 X3. But it’s a HUGE project to massage those recordings into a format the AVP can use, and even then it requires a very buggy third-party player. Still, this is “only” a software problem, so I’ve decided to keep the AVP and hope it gets fixed. The lack of multiple user accounts is also an EXTREMELY annoying issue, but not one that I expect Apple to ever fix-because, Apple.

My biggest con is the significant reflection/glare that I see when watching media in cinema / dark immersive environments. I don’t see any creators mentioning it but I’ve switched light seals and tried another demo unit at an Apple Store and I still see it. I wish someone had some feedback / tips for this. The workaround for me has been using lighter immersive environments but I want to use cinema and the theatre Disney plus environments.

I see the patterns here. All KZfaqrs… Week1: amazing! Week2: but i am returning it Week3: i changed my mind. I am keeping it. Seriously this is the 4th video i saw today - same same - “i am keeping it”

I use the solo knit band. Yesterday I worked three hours straight and was still comfortable but wanted to give my eyes a forced 5 min break. Went back in for another 3 hours and was fine. Depends on the person I suppose.

The comments about Eyesight and how people come into your frame, etc - Mine works really well. As someone comes into view, when I look at them, my eyes appear. I also went into the settings to ensure that everything was turned on under People Awareness. Love the video - keep them coming!!

What I want to know is can we use the persona scanning to scan an environment too? That would be dope. To scan an environment and being realistic and walk around with the Vision Pro

Great video! Hopefully the fit got better, one hour to 90 minutes is definitely a very short amount of time to wear it. I think you should give the dual loop another chance, I initially could only wear it may be an hour with a solo loop, and had all the same issues you talked about. I gave the dual loop a chance and it’s way more comfortable. I can now wear it easily 2 to 3 hours with no issues, and no marks on my face. I think you definitely need to make some adjustments and like you said, get a new light seal. Hope it works out!

I think most of the people returning it were looky-loos anyway and were never planning on keeping it at all. People wanted to see how cool it was with all the hype. Then they took advantage of Apple’s loose 14-day return for any reason policy. I’m betting 80% of KZfaq reviewers were never planning on keeping theirs either and are returning them today. I always intended on keeping mine and I am. Yes, there are a ton of 1’st gen issues, but it’s an awesome device overall.

For the person sensing feature to work you need to turn on in settings. Is not turned on by default. It does work.

I only ever use the single loop band and can wear the headset comfortably for 3+ hours without issue.

There are some people buying an other default band and with some 3D printing attach it on top of the head and it seems weird but apparently super confortable with the two available tight setting

Love your videos Dan, but one thing that concerns me with all these KZfaq videos in the lack of content around eye safety and just how your eye's respond once the headset is taken off after a while in the headset and you return to the real world, and if over time all will suffer the same problem that optometrist are concerned about - and that is the number of people that they see with regards to shortsightness in regards to phones, iPad etc. ( I include myself in this, by the way). Remember this is not a TV in which you sit a recommended distance from in relation to the size of the TV, you literally have 2 4k screens sitting inches away from each eyeball, that can't be good in the long run, anyway sounds like a revolutionary product and I'm glad you like it, though I have to say not for me, not because of what I have mentioned above, but I just would not have the workflow to justify the expense (I am from Australia, and the Vision Pro will retail around $5,300 Dollars by the time it is released in Australia, when that is is anyone's guess.) I Don't want to sound like a wet blanket, but I just wish KZfaqrs when reviewing gadget like this inform people of the Health risk associated with these product. Anyway Dan, good review as always, keep up to good work, and this is just my opinion anyway. God Bless David

Love your videos!

Regarding the spatial video feature on the iPhone, I hope that Apple will place the two cameras further apart to create a more pronounced stereoscopic effect. Additionally, it would be great if Apple could update the iPad mini to include duo stereoscopic cameras of equal focus length, as well as the ability to view and edit 3D photos and videos directly on the device. This would allow for previewing and making minute adjustments before uploading to the Vision Pro for an immersive viewing experience.

I love mine and feel fortunate to have it. There’s a lot to learn with this device and I have a long way to go to understand everything. One thing someone may have touched on is that you should power down VP before removing it after a session. You can do that several ways, one of which is by going into settings, scroll down to the bottom of the General settings and choose “Shut Down”. A slider will appear to power off- or, you can just say Hey Siri, Shut down Vision Pro and it will turn off. This should solve the battery problem. Also, in viewing your 3D videos that you’ve shot, they can be resized to larger.

7:37 can you make the keyboard smaller? Like the size of an iPad mini keyboard? I am curious to know if a person would be any better at “typing” with the thumbs rather than with the the index finger since there is already muscle memory from the phone. Or would it even read your thumbs when typing?

Agree 1000% w/ keepig it, love mine! Subscribers should know fit is based on your head size, my light seal is great and the duel loop is super comfortable minus messing my hair, single loop is hit & miss how long I can tolerate it. I let my family use it and guest mode isn’t even needed, I don’t care what apps they access. Sports, movies, concerts are all incredible. There is plenty to do and so much more even before future updates.

Basically my thoughts as well, and why I'm keeping mine even with its current flaws and limited utility. Media consumption is a system seller. It's the best home theatre, and a I already have a pretty good projector home theatre system. But now I get to have a home theatre in my bedroom that I can lie down to watch movies. And that experience is so good. I don't think it will work for me as a laptop workstation, since I tend to have a lot of code on screen at a time and the display resolution itself isn't sharp enough for me to use that way. It also needs its own IDE & development environment, and I don't think Apple will allow that, given that they don't have a version of Xcode yet on iPad.

I used to think the Guest Mode was a downside too, but more and more as of late I’m starting to think it’s pretty fine because: right now there are so many people interested because it’s new, but over time it will become less of cumbersome task. I still think it would be cool to save guest profiles, but then I suppose it’s a privacy issue saving biometric data on-device. One thing, though, is being able to start a screen capture prior to handing off AVP to guest and it keep recording. Right now, recording stops when you take headset off.

I am for sure keeping it... I am extremely aware it is a first Gen product, but I just wanted it and am gonna stick it out. ... Also it did help that I got a good discount (I work for Apple).

I am curious as a person who is nearsighted if one could send their prescription to zeiss to make sure they can meet mine before I ever commit? No Apple Store within two hours so have to order online should I desire one and then find out if prescription is possible?

I am still on the fence about keeping mine. Have a few days to decide. Like you, I LOVE the movie watching experience, but the lens glare bothers me every time. Do you get it?

I’m keeping mine too

Keeping mine too

I'm looking at replacing the ipad which is mainly for content consumption. What would be super cool is if you could use it as a Mac mini screen, so you can use it like a macbook when away from home.

Great video as always. Vision Pro reminds me so much of the AirPods Max in so many ways. It’s is way more expensive, heavier and buggier than others like the Sony M5 or Bose but the quality of sound, nose reduction and transparent mode, build quality and ecosystem integration are amazing. Not to mention the design feels like it came from the same design group at Apple.

I'm keeping mine.

Are any of the tech folks returning this product. It is your job thanks for acknowledging it and great video.

Impatient to get it in France !!!

We also need saved window/ app presets for each room that you configure. Come on Apple.

A Apple person keeping an Apple product, no surprise there! 🙂

I kept mine because 1, content creation, 2, it’s got a lot of games that are extremely fun and creative (no more terrible ad-ridden candy crush clones), 3, movies are epic, 4, everything else

I'm interested in seeing how much the refurbished models will cost. I wouldn't be surprised if the people who returned it but really liked it would buy it again for the lower price.

I’ll try it in store, say it’s cool and then wait a couple gens for improvements and price decrease :)

I understand why some people might return it. It's really expensive for a beta product. It doesn't make sense to pay so much just to test Apple's latest product. It's just too much. I really want one, but I'm not ready to spend that much just to be among the first to have it.

Keeping mine. I love it

6:20 have some simple mod of the single band, with extra strap or something, I. An wear this for 3 hours

You can keep your hands down on a table and do gestures as well you don’t have to keep them up all the time

Yes, agree "the thing will get better" but its $4k, why not wait until it gets better than buy, most cant take the risk of hoping it gets good enough to make the $4k worth it

Full coverage noise cancelling headphones work better with dual head band.

I really want to keep mine but I really can’t wear it for more then a hour. Face hurt so bad I hand to take it off in the middle of watching Avengers in 3D.

100% agree on all points. Love mine and will keep it but beyond movies, it’s useless and not as good as it could be (pass through, personas, App Store, all of it). Looking forward to what it becomes over time.

You need to find a way to get the 3D printed adapter do you can use a 2nd wide band on top of your head then do a review on it 😃👍

I agree with EVERYTHING you said 100%. Truth truth truth. But it does have soooo much potential and I can’t wait for more apps and immersive experiences. Also new immersive episodes and shows on Apple TV.

yeah it could be neat on a plane if it's smooth some people had problems

An Apple-oriented channel keeping one of Apple's biggest new products? I didn't see this coming. 😮

I really doubt many people are actually returning it. Right?

Yeah for me when I am immersed and I look at someone, I see them, but my eyes are very dim (not on a BETA).

Shared experiences! That will make em buy two but until I can watch movies together with my spouse it does not make sense. (Meta Quest has endless shared experiences, we can watch movies, KZfaq and even do puzzles together) Come one Apple! We want it but it just needs shared experiences to seal the deal!

This may have already been commented, but if you listen to Gruber's latest episode of The Talk Show with Adam Lisagor, they mention that the light leak around the nose is actually an intentional design choice which helps with preventing nausea.

Given the price point and infancy of this product, I'll wait till Gen 3 at least before purchasing. I recently tried a friend's Meta Quest 2 and would not buy that ever. It's heavy and uncomfortable.

“It hurts after awhile which is good” is an insane take

Let’s also not forget there was a huge wave of people who returned their Quest 3 when it came out. HMD’s just aren’t for everyone, and that’s fine.

Have you heard any rumors about running multiple screens from one’s MacBook? I think this is essential for real productivity.

Good job, Bugman.

I’m glad when you and Harley have your pictures there then I know that it’s your KZfaq. I’ve subscribed to both your rumors channels, but all of a sudden I’m not getting any suggestions in my subs.

As someone who did development work with the oculus devkit 2… and as someone who has been using the HTC Vive for years.. I just don’t get it.

Keeping for sure. Little forehead pressure. Comfort tips Vision gang?

We’ll soon know the long term effects on people eyes with a screen that close

I personally hated cinema mode because it makes the screen smaller. I always have the screen way bigger when watching shows and movies and everytime I tried cinema mode my screen shrunk way down :(

This review is better than most (gave it a thumbs up) but I feel strongly that people need to be warned that so much of what reviewers are saying is totally subjective. For example, the dual band headband flat out saved me. If I were stuck with the single band, I might have actually returned it to Apple. Both bands are very sensitive to adjustment (BOTH strap length(s) and headset position on your face taken together) and you really have to put in the time to find the right adjustments for you. After getting the dual band just right, I can wear mine forever. I don't feel any of the face pressure this reviewer describes and never feel the need to take it off even after hours and hours of wearing it. The time limit suggested in this video only applies to this specific reviewer. Totally agree about the APP store being horrible. What could Apple possibly be thinking ? They spend years and years and tons of money developing this and THAT's their app store for it ? In fact, in general, I wonder what the hell Apple has been doing over the last year since the announcement in MANY ways. I love the "person near you emerges into view from the background" feature this reviewer says literally doesn't work, and it ALWAYS works perfectly for me (is his defective ?). Also, I think the "Eyesight" feature needs to be improved just as is said here, but I think it's a totally great idea and I hope Apple doesn't take reviewer's "just get rid of it" comments seriously. Those people should just turn it off in settings if they don't like it and not presume to speak for everyone. When I first put mine on after setting up "Persona", my girlfriend came up to me and said, "Oh, I can see your eyes ! That's so cool !". Totally agree that "Guest Mode" sucks. Again, what is Apple thinking ? Don't they want to entice new users to want one for themselves ? As it is, it's such a PITA potential buyers are just going to get a bad impression of the whole thing. I totally disagree with the comment that the videos shot on the phone are SO much worse than those taken from AVP itself. They ARE not as good but the difference is nowhere NEAR as extreme as this reviewer states. I'm not picking on MacRumors - I notice these kinds of things and more with most of the reviews I've watched, both positive and negative. The bottom line is, don't trust anybody's opinions especially with this thing, you've GOT to try it for yourself.

Did Apple gift you the device or did you genuinely pay for it? It’s not uncommon for businesses to send out promotional products to reviewers. The cost of the product is often cheaper than the sales generated by the reviewer and the trust the public puts in the reviewer is priceless.

Still not a fan of the Personas look from all the reviews ive seen but they werent good in the demo videos either. B/C work generally. eyesight must be drastically better or be removed. The headset needs to get lighter and include some minimal battery to allow for larger battery changes, as well as of course much better wifi/BT and maybe even 5g/5 advanced/6g someday. The app selection will get better soon hopefully.

This video is spot on. Every point matches my experience even the selection of the band. I assumed that the dual loop would be better but the pressure on my face was uneven and there was light bleed all around. Switching to the solo band gave me a perfect fit and was more comfortable with even pressure. Plus, with the dial you can fine adjust and it looks so nice.

Third party straps are going to be so much better for the Vision Pro the Quest 2 and 3 third party straps are way better than Meta’s straps

Agreed 100%

Maybe they will do what they did with the iPhone 3G and make Vision Pro 2 cheaper.

John Gruber actually found out that the light bleed near your nose is by design, apparently it helped reduce nausea and fogging in their testing. Apple store employees are trained that some light bleed near the nose is normal.

How to people return their Apple Vision Pro's. I often hear people who are from the USA say things like ' I returned my camera , I decided not to return my oven'. Do shops in the US give people products to try? If I tried to take something back that had been unboxed in my country, I imagine I'd be laughed out the store.

If Version 2 fixes my complaints, I'll keep it!

There’s just nothing I’d use it for in the long term. I don’t want to watch movies on my own or work with a headset on my head all day.

I‘m not getting it!? 😉 The Vision Pro is an overengineerd product for me. It is for sure interresting. But as you said it still has so much flaws. Maybe all the intigrated tech justifies the price. But for a third of the price beeing an external Display for my other Apple devices, I think I have bought one. I dont want to complain. This is a product, that just is not ment for me. So one last thought. Why if there is that nasty external battery dangeling on that cable, dident they include all the computing stuff in that external case to make the headset smaller and lighter. I‘m not getting it…

“I’m keeping my Vision Pro, so here’s a 15 minute video of everything I hate about it”

i"m returning mine.

the biggest problem with the Meta quest that nobody is talking about is putting a spyware company is on your face that is tracking everything you do and selling it to advertisers.

I know you review some Android devices, would you be willing to review the Meta Quest 3 and then do a comparison to them?

I would have returned it after 13 days and then bought a new, sealed one to sell for $100,000 in 20 years.

aapl ❤

Should have kept it in its box unwrapped and then wait for the value to shoot up in 10 years.

Im bot convinced by this vid to spend the money for a apple pro

So the "I'm returning/returned" and "I'm keeping" seems to be a meme now. Thanks Verge.

Not really a criticism of the product itself, but I am somehow hoping that Vision Pro and products like it will never find their way into other markets. If people use them sensibly then there is no issue, but I am almost certain this will lead to anti-social behaviour either by the user or people around them who get annoyed at someone poking at something in mid air. I for one do not want to sit on an aeroplane next to someone making weird hand gestures and inadvertently making those hand gestures in my personal space as they cannot see properly where they are poking and prodding.

No Google Earth VR on Vision Pro. This means the Quest 3 is better.

The VR experience, as an idea, can and should be reduced to 'New Display', and let's be real, this type of product would do best being oriented for the techbro/gaming market, which IS a very dynamic market. Also, the PC master race has proven, time and time again, that keyboard mouse input is far superior to handheld input in every way, from critical things such as accuracy, to less important things, such as comfort.

There is nothing about it that would want me to keep it for 3500.. Not even for 1000. For content and gaming the Quest 3 is much much better than the AVP. Hell even for work the Quest 3 is ok. Sure the AVP has higher res screen and better passthrough (though still not great) but again not for 3500…. Only rich fan boys will keep the AVP. In my opinion AVP is absolutely a failure…