100% Agree. Although I'd argue it's not even about his career at this point but the risks to his daughters life if he goes against silco. If not for her he would've exposed himself and silco years ago,or tried to kill him.

You have to admit though, Silco has a very strong hand on his people. From shimmer and threats to straight up killing you if you are being stupid. And its not like he is being a bratty dictator. He is cold, calculating and see far more ahead than his followers

@@XS-NRG also def the guilt was eating him alive with how he got greyson killed.

In episode 5 when it was first revealed that Marcus was still working with Silco, he even tried the exact same thing Greyson did in episode 1. He said Jinx crossed the line, he had to have someone to make this thing go away, and that arresting Jinx would be doing Silco a favor. That of course was followed by Silco's cigar-cutting power move and "I don't need favors. I need you to do your job". Marcus is a very interesting character. He keeps falling a bit short no matter what he was up to - from trying to find the kids to trying to leave some last words to his daughter.

@@eatandrun8020 I feel like they could have added more depth to Marcus's charicter with his last words, maybe talking about his dead wife or how she died, or revealing another of his views on the situation embedded into the show. I am hoping for flashbacks to do with this in season two

We dont knw if they havnt seen each other after what happened. I assumed they did cus Jinx called Ekko "the boy saviour" which probably meant he tried saving her at one point which ofcourse didnt go his way and thts why he has such a strong feeling tht Powder is gone.

@@Buckheimer She said Vi and Ekko, not Jinx and Ekko.

I assure you the closer you look the more it's a real FORTICHE masterpiece. The definition of FORTICHE in the dictionary is powerful, corpulent. Who is intelligent, clever, cunning :]

Actually in Ekko's trailer from lol, you can see Powder, Vi(i am not sure about her), Claggor, Mylo and some other characters who he thought was dead in a painting while he fights some grunt.

I kinda wish Ekko had pointed her out by name in his debate with Vi about who Powder is now. Feels like the fact she just murdered several of his friends and nearly killed him like two days ago would have been relevant to that conversation.

@@troikas3353 yes and no, they live in brutal 🌎, and he is aware of Vi statement (and everything Jinx did is actually nothing compare to their brutal past on war when they lost parents and all friends as childrens). Vi even after this bridge massacre still want to reach her and u know what happens next so i don't think it would change anything :] They also wanted first to return 💎, not come to Jinx :v Edit: A lot of things might seems like a lot of "movies/serials plot just to make thinks happen" but when u consider and watch closely it's not only art and good story, it's masterpiece art and reeeally good story. Someone spend time on it to make it more coherent that it seems at first glance :]

@@Hecarim420 I'm just saying in that scene specifically Ekko's trying to convince Vi that Powder is "just Jinx now". Saying "Jinx just tried to kill me and butchered five of my friends including Eve" is a much stronger argument for that than the somewhat general statement that "she works for Silco now". Ultimately neither Ekko nor Vi truly believe that Powder is "just Jinx". I also don't buy that either as I think it's pretty plain that Silco insisting Powder is "Jinx" in E5 is just more manipulation from him, not an actual truth. But even so for the this specific scene between Vi and Ekko at the tree it still feels like this is an event his character would have brought up given how recent it was and the context of the discussion. Honestly I suspect the reason they didn't write that is probably because drawing that much audience attention to the fact she just murdered so many of his people, including at least one girl that was apparently pretty important to them given the size of her image in the mural, would have made Ekko's later hesitation on the bridge feel less believable to the viewers.

You mean river toxins Not dirt

A Star Wars reference in an Arcane reaction comment section? A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one.

I answered this somewhere else but I'll give some of it here. Ekko stayed behind because he was scared of losing vi after just getting her back. He doubted she could reach through to jinx in the first place but was still willing to let her try in the hopes that maybe she could pull it off, however when he woke up the very first thing he saw was jinx firing on her. Had vi and Cait been even a split second slower in reacting(a very real possibility considering Caitlyns leg was messed up) they both would've died right then. They lived through sheer luck. Seeing that, convinced him that trying to talk to jinx wouldn't work and obviously vi would never fight her back, so the end result if she stayed would be her being killed by jinx . Ekko loves vi too. She's the only remaining positive light from his childhood, someone he and powder looked up to immensely. The risk of losing vi is also what finally forced him to fight jinx with actual intent to kill whereas every other fight he's been holding back aiming for non lethal methods against her.(with one exception of rage after she killed eve) Even with her killing his friends he never truly wanted to kill powder, but seeing her attack vi, he decided there was no other option than to put her down permanently because she was too far gone.

@@XS-NRG Great insight! Thanks for sharing!

@@sofreshsogreen no prob. Happy to

Ironically you could argue he psyched both himself and Vi out in opposite ways. Vi just spent all that time arguing with him that Powder's still reachable, that they shouldn't be giving up on her.. only to have Powder walk out of the smoke like a horror monster massacring a dozen people before trying to kill Vi without a word and barely even a hesitation. No wonder Vi's in shocked silence at that moment. Meanwhile Ekko had convinced himself that Powder is just Jinx now. As if Jinx is some entirely separate individual. But Vi's argument, and his own use of a childhood game they played as a gambit in his fight with Powder, broke through that argument he was using to try and convince himself and let him see that.. it's still just Powder. She's buried beneath ~7 years of violent trauma and abuse that she's desperately trying to dissociate herself from, but its all still her.

Why would they leave Piltover/Zaun? They've already introduced several characters whose arcs aren't yet complete and still have some growth left to their characters, as well as some others that can be tied in. The season 2 teaser already tells us we're getting Warwick and that could be an entire season into itself, his 'resurrection' and experience in those first days. Beyond that, we've still yet to see Twitch, Blitzcrank, Zac, Ziggs, Janna, Ezreal, Renata, Zeri, Seraphine, Urgot, Dr. Mundo, Orianna or Camille. All of them have some ties to some of the characters we've seen so far beyond maybe Janna since she is kind of a deity. We could still get external characters, but we wouldn't need to for a while. They'd be better off just starting a second show.

@@Domura Who said leave Piltover and Zaun? I just think they will dive more into Noxus based on introducing Mel's mom and already talking about the man hunting her family... Doesn't mean we are abandoning the the first 2 regions.

@@Domura We could even see the kindred, ww has an interaction with them, he says "you were there...let me forget, LET ME FORGET", probably cuz they were in the disaster to bring Mylo and Claggor to the afterlife, this interaction is what made the theory of ww being Jinx's and Vi's father even b4 the series.

@@Domura I love Jinx with all my hearth, I only play Jinx-Janna-Orianna in LoL but as much as I'd love to see a whole season 2 in Piltover/Zaun and my favourite champions as main characters the show need to move. I'm not saying Season 2 totally moving to Noxus/Ionia but definetly at least Noxus needs to be introduced and complete moved to by the end of season 2. Again, I love LoL with all my strenght but Arcane can't be 20 seasons long. Some champions and stories will be cut and left out. Arcane shown us you can do a show that pleases both TV shows viewers and LoL players. To have 2-3 seasons ONLY for a single region would definetly take people away.

He also spent alot of time as a kid in the caves which probably had a higher amount of those polluted gasses.

Someone said that his conditions seem like Scoliosis and Bronchitis, on top of breathing toxic air

Also, like, a lot of people from the undercity probably die from disease anyway.

That's exactly how I felt. Every single other reactor just hates him immediately and keeps hating him, up to the point of cheering for his death. It's a little off-putting, considering how much effort people put into empathizing with other characters who are objectively worse people.

@@sanctimoniouslocke3941 While I can empathize with *moments* of his character scenes, I can't empathize with his character overall at all. He legitimately looked at people from the undercity the way plantation owners looked at slaves. He had an extreme ego and wanted to use violence and power to cover his own inadequacies. He had no problems degrading people. Despite feeling bad after the fact, he continued making blood deals with Silco because he saw personal gain. Eventually he had a daughter and he had new reasons to defend himself and was probably in far too deep, but he was still willing to murder ekko and caitlyn in cold blood. He is a fairly irredeemable character IMO. I also think Silco is firmly in the villain category, but he has far more redeeming moments than Marcus by a considerable amount. I agree that completely writing off Marcus' character with no mention of his humanity period is wrong(which many reactors do), but I don't think there's really a lot there to comment on.

@@noobgoestrapping5084 Silco literally tried to murder children, just to make the lie that Vander had abandoned the undercity seem more believable. :v I feel like people tend to find other characters "more redeemable" because we get to see more of their history/internal struggles/interactions with other characters. If we'd gotten to see more what made Marcus the person he was, people might be more sympathetic. For example, consider the circumstances under which we first meet Marcus. A building topside just exploded. People were hurt. The enforcers know that the four suspects are children from the Lanes. They go down there to make the arrest -- for the crime of blowing up a building, remember -- only to be stonewalled at every turn. When they talk to Vander -- essentially a mob boss, given the influence he has over the criminal goings-on down there -- he refuses to help, despite obviously knowing exactly who they're after. That would be... intensely frustrating. A criminal who leads a bunch of criminals, covering up for the criminals who just blew up a building. The workshop was owned by a Council family; there is immense pressure from on high for the Enforcers to locate the criminals *and* the stolen magic gems that, for all they know, could go nuclear at any second and kill dozens more people. Marcus isn't nice to the people in the Lanes. He probably is *significantly* bigoted against them. But under those circumstances, his behavior is understandable. It wasn't *good*, or *right*, but it was understandable. For all we know, up to that point Marcus was a model Enforcer, and it was just the pressure of those circumstances that caused him to go off the rails. I just... think he was done a bit dirty by the writers. Unless they intended for him to be a really ambiguous character, I feel like he needed more screen time to flesh out his inner life.

This idea still makes me want to cry

I just think he was testing it on Rio.

No Ekko doesn't have any of that yet. It's definitely a reference to it and we might see him have it in the future, but this particular scene is just him remembering how it played out when they were kids. And this time he was ready for it. He doesn't actually rewind time or anything here.

@@beelo1889 Then I don't know what I'm talk about! I thought he already had it; if he doesn't, that makes my original post kind of show-spoilery, so I'm gonna edit.

@@bdquinlan Yeah you're good. I thought that it was as well, but I was discussing it with some other people and yeah it's just a reference to it. But I'm sure we will get that stuff in Season 2!

Something that many actors haven't seen, they've declared him the total show villain. They fail to see what his purpose is and why he is doing it. I can see that not every decision he makes is good, but it seems to fit the theme of "The Base Violence Necessary for Change". In my opinion, if I were to name a villain for the show, I would blame the council members. They are so obsessed with their comfortable and luxurious lives. They left the undertown to die so that their luxurious life would not be taken away from them. And they chose not to do that until episode 9.

... probably because Netflix didn't produce it, lol. Riot & Fortiche did. Netflix is merely the platform who decided to showcase it.

Maybe, it's kinda implied she made them recently in the beginning of the episode when she sees the real firelight in her room. However it would make more sense if she had already made them.

Right. Plus they did recently piss her off, by taking Vi. So maybe she saw the twisted irony in blowing them up with the "Fireflies bombs", seems in character for me.

@@stewart1555 She stole them in ep 4 from the Progress day festival and you can see her working on them while she is listening to Get Jinxed.

@@tompatompsson she stole them and then turned them into little bombs?

@@stewart1555 Yeah, the mechanical butterflies are shown in EP 4 at the celebration and when Jinx returns to her lab she is holding one of them while tinkering with it.

I will leave them a DM and get back to you

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That little girl is going to grow up to be a champion focused on killing jinx mark my words. I have no proof of that, there's no champion that currently matches her in league but the whole "cycle of violence/vengeance theme never stops" is pretty prevalent throughout this show. It would make sense.