Arch Guided Installer Is Finally Amazing!!!

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2 жыл бұрын

A few months back I did a video about the Arch Guided Installer and at the time it was an absolute train wreck but I gave it a few months and I have to admit it's now become an amazing piece of software.
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@micleh 2 жыл бұрын

8:28 - There is a proper use case, though: In case you do a portable install, which I do on a portable ssd, you would want arch to work on multiple systems that have different graphics cards.

@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын

That's a good point

@waldolemmer 2 жыл бұрын

I do that on a 64 GB USB flash drive. Super useful for when my Gentoo install breaks.

@thunder21981 2 жыл бұрын

It's funny that the arch-guided installer was released on April fool's day and you unironically called it a complete joke.

@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын

That's the joke

@thecashewtrader3328 2 жыл бұрын

@@BrodieRobertson lmo

@tux_the_astronaut 2 жыл бұрын

Now time to go piss of arch users by installing arch with a guided installer and say I’m so good cuz I installed arch

@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын

Do it

@Finu23GamerDE 2 жыл бұрын

Or just git gud

@ankanroy2931 2 жыл бұрын

@Harpy Productions real MAN

@imjoeking_ 2 жыл бұрын

@Harpy Productions LFS > Gentoo

@Finu23GamerDE 2 жыл бұрын

@@imjoeking_ Jokes on you, I coded my own OS

@thingsiplay 2 жыл бұрын

Random fact: Pause the video at any point and time in space and you get a masterpiece image.

@window.location 2 жыл бұрын

Lamfao

@JoshHardman 2 жыл бұрын

I know I can create my entire layout in /mnt and use that. But, with all installers (ie. calamares), I don't know why they let you choose BTRFS and then give you no options to create a subvolume layout. The entire usefulness is predicated on having a sane layout for proper snapshots and backups.

@Flash136 2 жыл бұрын

Ubuntu already creates subvolumes for root and home when you install with Btrfs. It'd be really nice if they let you install with a custom layout. Same with ZFS.

@Nerdamania 2 жыл бұрын

You can make the subvolumes after installation so it's not that much of a deal breaker, calamares btw also has a root and home subvolumes default

@user-sw1wq8lh2w 2 жыл бұрын

I've been thinking about spending a little time to write up a pull request for this for archfi.

@Dieterbe 2 жыл бұрын

Fun fact: for much of Arch history, it did have various installers

@GabrielBeaver 2 жыл бұрын

Nice breakdown and pointing out some points for improvement for the installation application. The guided installer is vastly improved which is a positive for new/green users who want to take the dive into arch. Great follow up.

@JosephSaintClair 2 жыл бұрын

Been a long time viewer, and given the quality of your content and also being a fellow Aussie, you sir, got a sub 👏 🎉

@waldolemmer 2 жыл бұрын

I've only recently started watching Linux KZfaqrs, but you're the best I've found so far :)

@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын

Welcome

@xllvr 2 жыл бұрын

Nice. The fact that this exists in this state is great. And if it gets polished some more it's honestly going to make install arch less of a headache out of the box

@lordseaworth6055 2 жыл бұрын

And to be fair. Someone with zero experience in linux can install arch by reading the wiki in less then 10 mins (minus download times.)

@theraven.4 2 жыл бұрын

@@lordseaworth6055 Gets tedious over time. When you have to do something multiple times you will eventually automate it sooner or later.

@puppysh43 2 жыл бұрын

@@lordseaworth6055 can someone with very little familiarity in Linux install arch with minimal help? Yes. In 10 minutes or less? To get a fully functional desktop environment and basic programs installed like browser, office suite, and a media player? Definitely longer to figure out, especially if someone looks up for example what the pros and cons of all the file systems are

@lordseaworth6055 2 жыл бұрын

@@puppysh43 Yesh. They can. As long as they can read they can. And yesh those 10 mins is for bare archlinux install. Give or take another 15 mins for choosing and installing a desktop environment. or window manager, depending what you like. Customizing it fully to hearts demand is of course a different story but this goes for any linux distro.

@x0kosmus0x 2 жыл бұрын

8:25 If you install all open source drivers, you can switch the graphics card without installing new drivers. Also you could install arch on a external drive and move it between different PCs.

@robertcoyle9071 2 жыл бұрын

I sacrifice a 4MB unformatted partition in case you have to move your HDD to an older bios machine. You will wish you had sacrificed that little bit of room if your mobo goes down or something.

@frrrnixx9012 2 жыл бұрын

I'm just guessing here but I think at 8:44 the "All open-source (default)" option is equivalent to installing video-linux with mhwd. It basically installs the open-source driver for the graphics card you need and usually works if you switch your gpu-hardware at some point. It is also the default-option for manjaro and other distros I've used in the past. It's the correct choice for a default option imo.

@oblias888 2 жыл бұрын

GREAT improvement with the installer script, but until it allows the user to select separate partitions for Root and Home, it won't be a complete success. Not all of us Arch users want everything on 1 partition.

@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын

I would like that feature but it's not intended to be a full custom installation, it gets the install done so you can move on with your day

@oblias888 2 жыл бұрын

@@BrodieRobertson With the improvements, it's already a 99% full custom installation. Why not go the extra 1% to make it an epic native Arch installer? That being said, I agree that this installer is a milestone in Arch Linux history!

@advaithmadhukar2609 2 жыл бұрын

You can actually do a fully custom install with separate partitions for /home if you pre format everything and mount to /mnt or if you use the library portion of archinstall

@oblias888 2 жыл бұрын

@@advaithmadhukar2609 Would you mind explaining further? For example, can you explain what "use the library portion" means, exactly? Thanks!!

@Epsilonsama 2 жыл бұрын

I find out recently that if you create your own partitions and Format them the installer allows you to use that. It's just the installer doesn't have the option of doing that so you gotta do it manually before running archinstall.

@MysteryMan159 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for making this I never would have discovered that he fixed it LOL. Now it works great :-)

@sumnerd69 2 жыл бұрын

hey brodie thanks for doing this, I was putting off installing arch on my main computer but now I don't have to sit 30-50 minutes jumping through wiki pages and a half assed installation guide

@rtlau-mk4di 2 жыл бұрын

I just use Arco Linux for this reason. I like the qtile version, but many other desktop environments and window managers are available.

@lordseaworth6055 2 жыл бұрын

Half ased installation guide? That doesn't really make sense. If you read the wiki you are able to install arch in less then 10 mins (minus download times)

@ThylineTheGay 2 жыл бұрын

@@lordseaworth6055 there are some things that it does not explain at all

@lordseaworth6055 2 жыл бұрын

@@ThylineTheGay Anything install related? I doubt it. Unless you can give an explicit example of something it doesn't explain basic install wise

@eonshade6297 2 жыл бұрын

@@lordseaworth6055 When it comes to the bootloader part it just says choose one and then sends you to the page that lists out all these different bootloaders with grub well hidden in there. Then you need to figure out how to install the bootloader and update it all by yourself. Then it just gives up and says go to the post installation recommendations where you need to add the user, install a display manager, install xorg and a desktop environment.. It should all have been on one page and not scattered around like a bunch of skittles.

@tigeroats913 2 жыл бұрын

This is really freaking great

@blyaticon8190 2 жыл бұрын

5:08 i think the main reason is that people who come from other distros to install Arch for some bonus experience already know about which filesystems to pick or can do research without any problems, but the stuff with root password is something where you can't do one google search to be able to get all the information on how this choice will affect everything else

@vanhyr 2 жыл бұрын

I'd like to be able to set up LVM through the installer, but it looks very good for basic installs

@Appalling68 2 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure if I watch your channel for the fine content or that wonderful Ozzy accent. Great job!

@Fiveward 2 жыл бұрын

multiple graphics drivers could be for like a testbench setup. can only have one active at a time obviously but could still save time when switching gpus often

@MickTheRus 2 жыл бұрын

I have a question, does it ask you to install Nvidia-dkms and some kind of headers (forgot name) when you select linux zen?

@ozcarturgue942 2 жыл бұрын

You got me with this video new sub here. Nice content.

@hostgrady 2 жыл бұрын

I wish I watched this before installing arch on my bios system. That being said pratice is good I suppose so no real loss there. Very impressed with this installer it's truly become something usable. I wish it was promoted more though

@TuxPeng 2 жыл бұрын

4:13 Wow, f2fs is an option... Awesome!

@gabrielevan148 2 жыл бұрын

Please make a comparison between that and the archfi script

@0x7f2c 2 жыл бұрын

me seeing the title: oh no oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck fuck fuck fuck me using it: oh this is actually pretty good wow

@Ironpants57 2 жыл бұрын

Tried this out few days ago which was pretty cool. Standard installs work! .. Though, I couldn't do a dual boot with UEFI on another attempt. I guess it's too soon or I did something wrong. lol

@JulianLiebl 2 жыл бұрын

8:10 All open source makes a lot of sense for arch on a USB stick. I have a stick which I can plug, in almost any modern computer and it will run my custom arch. Because I have all open source drivers installed, I usually do not need to take any other measures.

@victorhugo-wo2ci 2 жыл бұрын

I tried archinstall on my first setup and i actually had better luck doing it all manually than i did going through it, now it probably could be that I inputed something wrong on the partitioning section but it would always crash at that point and throw me back into the prompt.

@victorhugo-wo2ci 2 жыл бұрын

This was around a month ago, its good to see they've been on the lookout for criticism and suggestions to make it something viable

@shiorinyan 2 жыл бұрын

Very nice, Arch is very nice distro, and I think, making it more accessible this way, is great way to actually get more people familiar with command line, Like, in my case: Back in 2018, was afraid, of distros like Arch, But there was, Antergos - long story short, it actually convinced me to try plain arch, because how amazing Antergos was (Well, it was plain Arch with GNOME, so), and first try in VM, success, then bare metal, some things i did wrong, but, I learned. And later down the road, I went as far as Gentoo, and I think Antergos, being accessible Arch, helped a lot. Though, Gentoo suits me far more, its nice to see improvements in other distros Go Arch :D Though I doubt even if I go back to arch, that i will use that, because... no ZFS option, alas. Also great video, just found this channel

@Chewsstudio 2 жыл бұрын

all opensource makes since so if you have a gpu issue or and have intel onboard or if you want to have a gui if you switch vendors. say you get an nvidia card from amd at least you can acess gui

@nightfury20101 2 жыл бұрын

thx god i finally able to install arch now

@_e621 2 жыл бұрын

really good i might use this when i go to use linux on my main system and game with windows in KVM with gpu passthrough

@sanjacobs6261 2 жыл бұрын

I couldn't get this darn thing to work with encryption. Messed up the UUIDs or something.

@malkavKitty 2 жыл бұрын

To play the devil's advocate I used it on an already used VM. It ran out of space during the install. What program doesn't check to see if there is enough space to install something before trying to install it. There is also no option to delete the existing partitions either. I love the overall concept of arch, but hate the command line. I've done DOS and early linux distros, I don't want to go back to that.

@HenriqueDev1 2 жыл бұрын

Please help me, my iso only appears efi option and when i click efi shell unsupported

@Minetheground 2 жыл бұрын

it still has errors installing big desktop environments like gnome and kde

@Bekon241 2 жыл бұрын

Hi still not perfect i not see in Desktop choice LXDE and JWM :( Is possible install it on arch from start?

@kiwicol9699 2 жыл бұрын

Just skip the the desktop choices then and add your favourite desktop at additional packages to install.....

@DonaldWyman 2 жыл бұрын

Have you tried the new one that just came out?

@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын

Video isn't up yet but will be doon

@labeled9091 2 жыл бұрын

all, for people that use the drive in multiple PC's. I use the same drive in multiple systems for diagnosing hardware failures for work.

@jarnobot 2 жыл бұрын

You might want to check out Archinstall again soon. I has gotten a lot of improvements and the latest release candidate (v2.4.0.RC2) even got a simple-term-menu based TUI! KZfaq channel Stephen's Tech Talks did a good video on it recently (which is how I found that channel, would recommend as well).

@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын

Really happy to see they keep improving it, maybe at some point people will remember that Arch also used to have a guided installer years before this.

@SSouper 2 жыл бұрын

its still pretty terrible - it did not add the user to the required groups only wheel and it did not even install xf86-video-intel for me when i selected Intel (open-source). I found out the hard way about this when i had screen tearing even with picom and i could not change my laptops background...I ran sudo pacman --needed -S xf86-video-intel aaaand it wasn't installed.....installed that package, added myself to the proper groups, rebooted, and it worked just fine afterwards.

@Vertex_Draco 2 жыл бұрын

I recently tried the installer, it's OK but I wont use it because it will install GRUB and I only use Syslinux. The partition part is a bit meh as well. I know I could play around with these things after install but I still think manual install is better for now.

@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын

Selecting the bootloader would be a nice option and so would a bit of partition customization but it gets arch installed as the wiki describes and I think that's enough to recommend it

@Vertex_Draco 2 жыл бұрын

@@BrodieRobertson I always imagined an Arch installer as something like "now you need to do this", "type this command", and "make your edits here". Kinda like having a reminder of what you need to do next, commands to type, etc. Most of what I learned in Linux came from installing Arch over and over so making that process easier is something that would be valuable imo.

@badwolf8112 2 жыл бұрын

im amazed people argued against your criticism about bad error handling. it's also amazing it was released with bad error handling. fault tolerance and error handling are fundamental aspects of good software. people who disagree can f off.

@mkvalor 2 жыл бұрын

If you skip the root password, this does not omit the root account, as you mentioned. There will be a root account with its password disabled. As a regular user with 'sudo' privileges, you would still be able to 'sudo su -' in order to switch to the root user account, even without the password. It's recommended to keep the root user password unset so that no one cal login as root directly, especially via ssh.

@pskry 2 жыл бұрын

Would be interesting to see what happens if you disable root and don't create a user

@brianhayes1105 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing, maybe it’s finally time for me to jump from Manjaro…

@zekrinealfa1113 2 жыл бұрын

So, still no way to select your locale?

@kiwicol9699 2 жыл бұрын

You can set your locale by using archinstall --advanced instead of just archinstall at the beginning. It will be included as an option at some point.

@zekrinealfa1113 2 жыл бұрын

@@kiwicol9699 thank you for the information

@cosmicfusiontm7539 2 жыл бұрын

I think in drivers : 0 = amdgpu ATI legacy drivers 1 = mesa 2 = video-intel

@swarajaggarwal 2 жыл бұрын

The guided installer doesn't allow for custom partitions so I prefer to stick with the manual installation method whenever I need to install arch on a system

@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын

A few people have brought that up

@swarajaggarwal 2 жыл бұрын

@@BrodieRobertson The funny thing is that it allows for pre-made partitions as long as you define the boot and root partitions, even goes through the rest of the input process. But, it crashes the moment installation starts

@swarajaggarwal 2 жыл бұрын

@Prince Cooper I tried that. It just failed the installation

@nightfox6738 2 жыл бұрын

I still like doing it manually and following the guide on the archwiki lol

@baaz5642 2 жыл бұрын

Ez arch now !

@baaz5642 2 жыл бұрын

4th btw

@Tala2n 2 жыл бұрын

It's a nice addition but finally I choosen Archlabs because the installer can provides Bspwm out of the box.

@andljoy 2 жыл бұрын

Is it just me being insane or did arch used to have a nice ncurses installer ?

@Speykious 2 жыл бұрын

No, that's archfi, which is a third-party installer.

@iodreamify 2 жыл бұрын

@@Speykious is there some reason they didnt just adopt archfi instead of writing their own?

@andljoy 2 жыл бұрын

@@Speykious I am talking a very long time ago

@Speykious 2 жыл бұрын

@@iodreamify I have no clue :/

@Epsilonsama 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah but it got deprecated for some reason. Arch is a great distro but it's 100% community supported and if a maintainer of something quits its hard for original projects to get maintained.

@Epsilonsama 2 жыл бұрын

I would not say the archinstall script is great compared to other installers like Calamares or Anarchy or Arch Fi but it's actually now usable. It does still spit out errors but that was more because I did some funky things partitioning but overall the archinstall script works and is a simple way to get an Arch system which is a good thing to say cause back when it was released it didn't work at all.

@tazaonthego 2 жыл бұрын

TBH btrfs should be labelled as default

@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын

Not if we're going by the Arch documentation

@Viken43 2 жыл бұрын

Does Archlinux need an installer?

@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын

Does it not need one as an option

@tshivhulatshilidzi9209 2 жыл бұрын

Lol now everyone can install Arch. you are no longer special

@lordseaworth6055 2 жыл бұрын

@@tshivhulatshilidzi9209 Anyone with zero experience in linux can install arch just reading the wiki in about 10 mins

@Reverend-Rodger 2 жыл бұрын

All open source makes sense if you have an igpu and a gpu

@kabochaVA 2 жыл бұрын

"first included in this ISO back on April 1st and ... it was an absolute joke" Well, yeah, I can see why...

@gamerking64 2 жыл бұрын

Did they fix the home folder issue?

@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын

What issue would that be?

@gamerking64 2 жыл бұрын

@@BrodieRobertson you mention it in the previousvideo about the installer, you enter the home folder but there is nothing in it even the desktop...maybe its my issue :), btw can i use this installer on an mbr system now???

@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын

@@gamerking64 oh that was just an issue with me being dumb

@Fluxus_R34L 2 жыл бұрын

I installed the whole system manually (took less than a hour) and i didnt know this exist (•_•)

@chrispeters8208 2 жыл бұрын

If you know what you want from Arch a base install is still the way to go.

@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely

@chrispeters8208 2 жыл бұрын

@@BrodieRobertson its a great way to learn and you learn from your mistakes not someone else is

@krux02 2 жыл бұрын

Arch gettingan installer is somewhat at the same level as Go language getting generics.

@christianlgolden 2 жыл бұрын

btrfs needs to be the default.

@shapkofil4708 2 жыл бұрын

Oh my fuckin god. I installed arch manually today and wasted 4 hours configuring everything. Why am I seeing this video now

@spidertyler 2 жыл бұрын

Everything was pretty good until it wouldnt boot. Took me 3 days to realize i needed to move and rename a file

@muellerhans 2 жыл бұрын

Tbh the Installer is not good. A TUI based on dialog or ncurses would make a few things more obvious. Also isn't one point of the Arch installation that you kind of get to know what is executed? They could display the executed commands and it would not harm the user experimence. With a TUI based in dialog some help option with information about the current step could be included. So it would rather benefit people when they want to know about something, when they need help or when they want to do a installation by hand based on what the script does but maybe with a few steps customized.

@gregorygant4242 2 жыл бұрын

Australia , the best country? Yeah , the best country for a lockdown , control, prison , state that is. You're off your rocker mate !

@robertcoyle9071 2 жыл бұрын

arch needs maintenance. i think making an installer isn't the greatest idea because the end user will eventually run into a problem and have no clue how to fix it. the whole idea behind arch is to build it yourself. but in the age of containers It makes things easier I guess. I'm still going to create my own partitions and install it the old way. you can keep the install scripts and AUR helpers. installing unneeded drivers: i would. if your computer pukes on you it makes migration easier. I create 6 partitions on them. the 5th is an unformatted one in case it needs to go into an older bios system. its only 4MB and if you end up in such a situation you will wish you had sacrificed it. drivers don't take up that much room. i keep a separate home / and boot partition and a swap that 2x my 4GB of RAM and the UEFI one.

@tshivhulatshilidzi9209 2 жыл бұрын

Great tool but now my noob friends can just install Arch

@lordseaworth6055 2 жыл бұрын

Aren't they able too do that anyways? Reading the wiki can make anyone with zero experience of linux install arch.

@tshivhulatshilidzi9209 2 жыл бұрын

Arch wiki is not great I know people who have tried and failed 😅

@lordseaworth6055 2 жыл бұрын

@@tshivhulatshilidzi9209 Then they must have issues reading. It's one of the most easiest guides to follow. Like I said anyone with zero experience in linux can install it by following it. Unless they can't follow straight commands. But that has nothing to do with the wiki but competence of people.

@dementiagaming726 2 жыл бұрын

Manjaro users will drop by 99%

@KingZero69 2 жыл бұрын

imagine using virtualbox in 2021... 😏😂 #kvmmasterrace

@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын

It gets the job done

@glowowl2230 2 жыл бұрын

Well, it may be more user friendly now but there are still too many rough edges. I tested that thing today on a laptop with an NVMe drive and it wasn't even able to create a booting system. So... nah... still in an April 1st state of development. Makes for a good trolling though to recommend this to people.

@JTKroll12 2 жыл бұрын

praying for the Australian people

@vozercozer 2 жыл бұрын

Huh

@wolfiedgr8t 2 жыл бұрын

I don't think it was un-useable before, just this way it's getting to be more idiot proof 😉

@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын

It would be quicker to learn how to install Arch rather than learn all the mistakes you couldn't make with the old installer

@wolfiedgr8t 2 жыл бұрын

@@BrodieRobertson this is true 👍

@alexdelarge9425 2 жыл бұрын

DT > Brodie

@GMAH111 2 жыл бұрын

You should probably at least rename the other one to express its outdatedness

@bobbybologna3029 2 жыл бұрын

lol wait, arch has a guided installer?

@GlenBarnett 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, but damn dude! Stop shouting!

@AnzanHoshinRoshi 2 жыл бұрын

tyb. Good.

@DrVektor 2 жыл бұрын

there is no turkish language what a shame 😭

@marius2k8 2 жыл бұрын

The "best country" is a continent-sized prison? Interesting definition.

@0x007A 2 жыл бұрын

Oh, oh! Does this mean Arch Linux is loosing its "elitist" moniker? Seriously, anything making the installation process easier for the hoardes of Microsoft Windows migrants watching Brodie, Derek, and Luke videos is a positive step forward. For some reason I felt as though I was watching an SLS Linux installation circa 1991-1992.

@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын

I'll give you that

@jonathanjoestar9430 2 жыл бұрын

Bruh, mexico > australia, and mexico is not even in top 10.

@Smjork 2 жыл бұрын

I started using Linux 21 years ago. Looking at this "Finally Amazing (?!?) guided installer" and the list of "improvements" over "what the installer used to be just before this video" makes me wonder why do some people insist on getting way-way-way back to the stone age of the operating systems ... I see Arch hyped like crazy due to Valve's decision to base SteamOS 3 on it and I see so many 0-day-Linux-noobs banging their heads against the walls while trying to replace their "suddenly boring" Windows 10 with "the latest and greatest and soon to become the -de facto- distro in Linux gaming". *Not even a freaking ncurses based TUI installer ?!? In 2021 ?!?* From this very particular perspective I can only conclude that Arch is the bleeding edge of a long forgotten Linux stone age. Disappointing !