Arch Linux Is A Great Distro But You Shouldn't Use It

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I've been using Arch for a few years and it's a great distro however it's not the distro for everyone regardless of what some people shilling the distro might say, so here's the case against Arch Linux.
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@JTCPingas 2 жыл бұрын

"How can you tell if someone is an Arch Linux user? You don't have to. They are going to tell you." -Mental Outlaw 2022

@nezu_cc 2 жыл бұрын

That's not his quote. I've seen it used for years all over reddit

@Cons00mer 2 жыл бұрын

I use Arch BTW

@patriotic1526 2 жыл бұрын

They are the vegans of the Linux world

@JonathonFailsAtLife 2 жыл бұрын

@@nezu_cc I've heard the quote a bunch for years, minus the Arch part.

@fredericofavaro 2 жыл бұрын

BTW ...

@SamiKankaristo 2 жыл бұрын

I've never really used Arch on any of my main systems, but I really appreciate the Arch Wiki. It's super useful, no matter what distro you use.

@anon_y_mousse 2 жыл бұрын

Indeed, as is the Slackware and LFS documentation.

@IamPyu-v Ай бұрын

Heck, the ArchWiki even helped me when I was a MacOS user.

@hygri Ай бұрын

Word. Makes the perfect Gentoo companion.

@urmensch12 2 жыл бұрын

Learning my Butt. I have been through the manual Arch a couple times by now. But what i "learned" from that I need so rarely that i forgot it by the time i need the knowledge the next time.

@mTrader1 11 ай бұрын

😂😂

@souravkumarpaul984 10 ай бұрын

It also same for me 😂😂

@mrtk-ph5sy 9 ай бұрын

Nah you don't need to remember the info, but you should be able to know the symptoms and where to find the meds, that's even with docs they also read books all the time its fine there's nothing like wizard shit in linux

@eygs493 6 ай бұрын

you very stupid

@zwparchman 5 ай бұрын

The learning is how to diagnose an issue and find a solution using available resources.

@patriotic1526 2 жыл бұрын

Can't we all just switch to Temple OS and be done with it?

@magnusm4 Ай бұрын

Sorry but I don't want a crusade of praying paladins carrying a custom i7 church bell to come march down my door every time I boot my computer up.

@silverscalederg8632 25 күн бұрын

Isn't temple OS some windows shit?

@topherfungus8424 2 жыл бұрын

I remember back in the day, the enthusiast distro was gentoo. After spending that much time and hassle just putting together a working system and "learning", I too wanted to pretend it was somehow superior and would defend all of the wasted time and energy put into it.

@excidium_ 2 жыл бұрын

Gentoo is a completely different beast, the so called entry barrier of arch is just not having a guided installer

@topherfungus8424 2 жыл бұрын

@@excidium_ We had guided installers over twenty years ago.

@anonemoose102 4 ай бұрын

sunk cost fallacy go brr

@easyboost7460 19 сағат бұрын

Arch also had, he is talking bs@@topherfungus8424

@markonfilms 2 жыл бұрын

I love my Arch but it's not for everyone. And some other distros like Fedora are really good and easier to install.

@madthumbs1564 2 жыл бұрын

Why are we pretending there's only one way to install Arch?

@phillipanselmo8540 2 жыл бұрын

@@madthumbs1564 because there's only one official way to do it

@3333218 2 жыл бұрын

I still don't get what's so good about Fedora!

@phillipanselmo8540 2 жыл бұрын

@@3333218 bleeding edge, constant updates, good ui, just works

@3333218 2 жыл бұрын

@@phillipanselmo8540 Yes but isn't DNF slower than APT? Is it worth paying that price? How much better are the repos in comparison?

@AshnSilvercorp 2 жыл бұрын

I still use Arch mostly by choice in a way that i wanted to be able to choose, but end up really using it as a pretty basic user anyways. Package availability really is the best thing for me for the most part. I'll probably only ever really use Arch on a main desktop, and would probably use Pop or Manjaro on a laptop or different PC if I ever got one. Arch felt like that, "I'll build it myself" projects, but I recognize it's not from total scratch. Even I don't have time to compile that much... and I'm ok with that.

@AshnSilvercorp 2 жыл бұрын

@Fashinqu A. if it stays there long enough, it goes to the community repo where it actually gets upkept by pacman directly each update. It just seems that that has slowed for certain packages. Brave's own developers have been mentioning it since 2019 and their versions are still only in the AUR. I don't really like using the AUR for stuff like that as updating with yay can take a bit longer. I really only use the AUR for very specific programs and have largely used flatpak when packaging for Arch is a horrendous mess. AKA Discord.

@terminallyonline5296 2 жыл бұрын

Reminder that EndeavourOS is a completely set up desktop experience that is essentially a vanilla arch setup with a convenient 'welcome menu' that you can turn off.

@JesseNeckred 2 жыл бұрын

Last time I set up Arch, I had my whole setup going within 45 mins. Everything is fully set up by the first time I launch xorg. It's a good idea to keep an updated installed package list and backups of dotfiles. Probably much faster for me personally than many "user friendly" distros, considering it saves me from stripping out all the preconfigured stuff many other distros have. However for many, "user friendly" distros are the way to go.

@cosmiccuttlefish5765 2 жыл бұрын

I used Arch full time for a few months and came away with a feeling of “cool, never again”. I like to customize my system but for me once things are set I don’t ever want to think about them again. Arch wanted me to constantly think about what I was updating or what packages I was running. No shade to people who want to tinker but for my production machine no thought peace of mind is worth so much more to me than the slightly greater degree of customization.

@capn 2 жыл бұрын

Part of the appeal is that you know exactly what's running on your system. It's one of the big reasons I love Arch. I couldn't stand Windows and Ubuntu running stuff in the background that I couldn't simply point at and say exactly what they were doing there, and it kind of scared me

@azenyr 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. After I got a full time job, I quickly switched from "btw I use arch" to "btw I kinda hate arch". You just dont have time to fix things that break for no fucking reason at all. You need some urgent thing done or you have a meeting and the OS wont boot and you lose the meeting. Eventually you just go back to ubuntu or popOS or the most stable distro possible, that if you wont move back to Windows. Its death from a thousand cuts. Arch is a cool hobby, but shouldn't be the main distro of anyone. Manjaro at best, and even that randomly stops booting

@excidium_ 2 жыл бұрын

I use it on my work laptop with no issues, nothing specific to Arch at least. Plasma's random crashes and Nvidia switchable GPU woes are both classic experiences in any distro

@cosmiccuttlefish5765 2 жыл бұрын

@@excidium_ I think it depends in large part what kind of laptop you are using and what you do. I currently run Fedora mostly because for the kind of development I do the system is rock solid and I am able to avoid a ton of the random BS. More importantly in the long run, I can comfortably leave my machine for months at a time and still update without having to worry about not having all of my things work.

@SnowyRVulpix 2 жыл бұрын

I've used Arch on my laptop... and I came off with a better respect for Linux Mint. Arch is good for power users but I think distros like Mint are better for everyone else.

@anasouardini Жыл бұрын

Just curious, how is arch better when it comes to choice? I'm thinking about switching from debian to arch, I'm already writing an installation script for it.

@arcstur 2 жыл бұрын

I think the Archinstall script is helping a lot with the points about choice and installation. I used it to install arch with gnome on my system, and it came with a lot of things I need, like Bluetooth for example, because it installs a lot of gnome packages.

@forestmanzpedia 2 жыл бұрын

I thank you for mentioning the problems with the Arch Wiki. Another weird situation is the installation guide. A long time ago this article used to be very straight-foward and simple. However, the order and layout of the current version is a bit weird. There are so many links leading you to other articles, where the necessary information is hidden somewhere under some headline, where the reader is forced spending so much time reading the sometimes vaguely-written articles which is both frustrating and very time consuming. Adding to what you said about reinstalling both situations are such a big pain to deal with.

@benjy288 2 жыл бұрын

I don't know why openSUSE never seems to get much love, Tumbleweed is basically Arch but easier and more stable, it even has something like the AUR called OPI, except you don't need to build the packages.

@hygri Ай бұрын

I *loved* OG openSUSE back in the 2000s. So slick. I guess the Tumbleweed/Rawhide/Sid offerings are a distro's testing playground, whereas with Arch / Gentoo / Nix etc you get to build your own amusement park. Horses for courses I guess...

@s00774 2 күн бұрын

the main benefit of the aur is that u get to compile it ur self as specified by /etc/makepkg.conf. Arch is as stable as you make it, my arch is as stable as debian.

@Mantikal 2 жыл бұрын

I haven't found anyone posting about this item that I want to mention - I have a few Arch based distros that I use. I have begun to experience commercial vendor ads starting to pop up in my update notice section - that little pop-up window that's usually in the top (or bottom) of the extreme right side of the screen. When I use Archcraft, ads from B&H Photo pop-up. There's another vendor that has started to pop-up on my Manjaro Distro too. Has anyone else been experiencing this same phenomenon - commercial ads popping-up? How has that happened? How can in be stopped?

@AcidiFy574 2 жыл бұрын

can one use rufus in linux, if not then what should one use to create a persistence Live USB?

@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын

dd, cat, tee, basically anything that can write data, if not one of those just look up gui iso writer and you'll find something

@aela3533 2 жыл бұрын

I really like Arch, I used to use Debian Unstable but reinstalling it is way too much effort and sometimes installing software can be time consuming I like using a rolling release distro, since I know I can just keep installing updates and never have to install a "release update" I've had more issues updating to a new release of Ubuntu than I've had while using both Debian Unstable or Arch

@only1gameguru 2 жыл бұрын

I installed Ubuntu in 2014 and got annoyed I didn't have to do a system installer like the mandrake 12 I set up. So I went arch... What's wrong with having to customize your system?

@100timezcooler 2 жыл бұрын

i just need vscode and a browser. what do?

@glyslay4102 Жыл бұрын

I want to use arch because of lastest software. But at the same time I'm cautious because it may kernel panic when I need to work(

@paulo9523 2 жыл бұрын

I agree with you about most of the things you mentioned, except the reinstallation being a pain. You can simply do a git-bare repository to manage your dotfiles, use pacman -Qqen (and -Qqem for the AUR) to generate a file of all the packages you have installed, and maybe even creating a makefile to automate all the process. The post-installation process would take just a couple of minutes and all you have to do is to run a command or two. Yes, it takes some time to do those things, but virtually *all* distributions out there would take the same amount of time, or even more, to reinstall your system the way you want. But, there's one thing I really dislike about arch is how the repos manage the dependencies of some programming languages and everything it's a mess.

@sidsin2085 2 жыл бұрын

"But, there's one thing I really dislike about arch is how the repos manage the dependencies of some programming languages and everything it's a mess." Amen!!

@loreleipenn 2 жыл бұрын

In my case I got really happy with Gentoo since portage is a great package manager. The bad point I do not like much is the constant compilation of everything. When I needed to use dualboot, I would not return to Gentoo in some days and that would represent like 2-3 days of updating since when using Gentoo exclusively, such time would be distributed with my usual usage of the system. That was when I found Arch which I saw like something similar to Gentoo but with more binary packages and just a small subset needed to be compiled. I used Gentoo from 2005 -> 2011 and Arch since 2012. Basically these two repos made me stick to these kind of systems and understand more of UNIX like systems. And yes I completely agree that these are not for everybody. Yet I have enjoyed them and learned so much.

@putinstea 2 жыл бұрын

Installed Arch + LARBS on my laptop this week. Taught me a thing or two about linux, but also that I think customisability is something Luke appreciates a hell of a lot more than I do.

@ariathyf144 2 жыл бұрын

Once you get used to custom binds it's hard to come back.

@JonathonFailsAtLife Жыл бұрын

@@ariathyf144True stuff. I started with some custom binds with Autohotkey when I used Windows 7 and when I moved to Linux 10 years ago, I brought them over. Now when I use computers that aren't mine, I spend a couple seconds doing my keybinds and wondering why they aren't working.

@prometheus9443 Жыл бұрын

Luke?

@nootics 2 жыл бұрын

That "learning the system" thing... I agree. I feel like i've learned quite a bit about linux through using and setting up things post installation in manjaro, using the arch wiki and stuff, reading some man pages and options about commands, as you said, all that before installing and setting up arch on a separate usb stick. So manjaro was easier to get into the arch stuffs with while still allowing me to "learn more about the system", all before actually installing raw arch at all (endeavour might have been better, but manjaro was and is my first distro, sooo). So in a way, installing the arch base system doesn't teach too much, it's the post setup that really does, still much less than LFS of course, but that's a whole different ball park of "learning the system" anyway.

@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын

It can teach you it's just a matter of whether you're going to put the effort into learning what's going on not just blindly following a guide.

@iodreamify 2 жыл бұрын

For me it was KDE which is still evolving every day, i got fed up with having the same bugs waiting for a new point release of kubuntu but knowing the bug has already been fixed months ago. I also wanted to see if it's true that a single update can wreck your system and so far i haven't had much bad luck. And of course the aur is very handy.

@madthumbs1564 2 жыл бұрын

KDE once had a well polished product, and scrapped it to start over being bug ridden again. You're better off building your own DE.

@fakezpred 2 жыл бұрын

@@madthumbs1564 Ah yea, why use things that already exist when you can reinvent the wheel.

@DAVE-vd8nm 2 жыл бұрын

I actually used Arch for half a year and switched to fedora recently because everytime I used my PC I configured some new stuff or tried something different and couldn't do the things I wanted to do in the first place. I really loved my minimal system which was exactly how I wanted it to be, but having this much choice is horrible when you get easily distracted by all the cool stuff you could do with it.

@ChristopherGray00 Жыл бұрын

Having more choices isn't a bad thing, you simply just pick. Maybe it's horrible if you have ADD though

@seancondon5572 2 жыл бұрын

Also, you mentioned documentation and installation process and such. You installed Gentoo once, so I gotta ask, what do you think just in terms of overall strengths and weaknesses as far as installation process and documentation comparing Gentoo and Arch? And no, despite how long I've used Gentoo, I'm NOT the type to say it's flawless. All distros have their flaws. Gentoo is far too technical for the average user, despite what some avid users might say.

@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын

Gentoo's install guide is verbose maybe even to a fault, basically everything you could want to know is explained in the guide, Arch's guide is a bit more barebones if there's anything you don't understand you have to start digging through other wiki pages to work it out

@sukidable 2 жыл бұрын

In all honesty, I've had more issues with popOS than I have with Arch. Whenever something breaks on Arch it's usually because of an AUR package or some dumb thing I went out of my way to do. Whereas on Pop OS I multiple times had a packaging conflict that basically borked the entire update process. I think they've fixed that by now but good grief.

@steinbauge4591 6 ай бұрын

btw I use Artix, a systemd free fork of Arch. Like Arch but because some files/packages must be modified it lags behind Arch's update cycle so in practice less bleeding edge which can be an advantage.

@SinfulSam115 2 жыл бұрын

I'm gonna keep using it.

@terryforsythe8083 Жыл бұрын

I once tried to install Arch with the Archinstaller. It did not work for me, so I just installed manually. What I like about Arch is that I can customize it exactly how I want it without much additional bloat. I also like the fact that between the repository and AUR I can get just about every package I want or need. What I don't like is that updates sometimes break things - typically not web browsing, email or office, but lesser popular programs I use and customization I have implemented. Usually I am able to find a solution to fix it, but the time it requires to find the solution that actually works sometimes is not insignificant. Sometimes I just live with it for a while until it becomes irritating. Anyway, I still have Arch on its own SSD, and I still update it once every week or two, but I have switched to a fixed release distribution as my daily driver.

@magetaaaaaa Жыл бұрын

It really is telling that they tell you to check the forums and the front page every time before doing an update. It always has kind of scared me because everyone talks about Arch breaking... It has not happened to me yet. I wonder if this could be mitigated by running it on ZFS and just rolling back a snapshot if an update broke the system? Assuming you could find the thing that broke right away and assuming the break was not so severe that the system was unbootable.

@schemage2210 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah you raise a good point, for someone like me who does love their IDE (i swear I have tried to do the whole "everything in a terminal thing") I just get nothing out of pure arch that i don't get elsewhere. In point of fact, currently i am using fedora 36 and my workflow is almost unchanged from when i was using manjaro (not pure arch i know but closer to it). Maybe I will go arch one day but for now I am good elsewhere.

@DFPercush 2 жыл бұрын

What IDE do you use?

@michal1693 9 ай бұрын

yes, its pretty much the same.. so why not use arch where you decide what packages to install and you don't install any nonsense and it's basically your distro?

@Mitsunee_ 2 жыл бұрын

manual partitioning is an interesting one. Yesterday I finally managed to break my ubuntu install (I did do-release-upgrade after having uninstalled snap. It was not very happy about snapd not running when it tried to yeet firefox to install the snap version) and switched to fedora and tried their partitioning wizard. Basically it tells you it won't actually do anything until you press Begin Installation in the main screen and then lets you freely set partitions the way you like, keep old ones around and mess around, then attempt to save and at that point will give you advice on what you did wrong and should change. I now have home on a separate encrypted partition and know that I will be able to keep it even if I chose to install the next fedora release from an iso :)

@SRAZKVT 2 жыл бұрын

main reason why i use void rn is the package manager resolves pretty much any conflict that can exist directly for me, for example, if i install dbus and but i have dbus-elogind, it will let me choose wether to uninstall dbus-elogind to install dbus, or just not install dbus. which is a small thing, but generally makes it easier to maintain for me

@sudonim116 2 жыл бұрын

Try gentoo ;)

@SRAZKVT 2 жыл бұрын

@@sudonim116 why would i, i'm happy where i am

@quarix4432 2 жыл бұрын

Recently tried arch. I'm fairly new to linux in general, had Zorin for some time and the arch logo looks cool and pacman sounds fun, so why not? The install itself is rather easy - just type 'archinstall' in the first terminal and you can basically set it up like any other os just without a gui. But as you said - the post install stuff is a massive pain and an entirely new set of commands with the different packetmanager were a bit too much for me. Zorin will probably be my best friend for quite some time.

@obake6290 2 жыл бұрын

Completely agree. I've used Arch for a long time and though I sometimes switch to something else I always come back. Lately I've been thinking about giving Fedora a try, but I don't have any pressing reason to make the switch. Though the "expired keys" thing has happened to me often enough lately that it's getting annoying. I personally enjoy the DIY custom part of Arch without having to return to LFS. I don't want to compile everything anymore, but I want more control than I would get with something like Ubuntu. I've always said Arch isn't for everybody. And that's fine, it doesn't have to be.

@ianoconnor1515 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, I hope more Linux people start realizing this. I use Mint with kernel 5.17 and a MESA PPA, to get a RX6950XT working. I like my setup its stable is using the latest hardware, and fits my windows 98 style workflow.

@anonymous82783 Жыл бұрын

I had to install gentoo 9 or 10 times within less than a week; I think that was the biggest step I had ever taken in my Linux journey: I got so much more confident with partitioning, compiling, troubleshooting, installing bootloaders, intstalling and configuring kernels, etc.

@seancondon5572 2 жыл бұрын

Based on what I have heard about the AUR, it's not much different from gentoo overlays. There's a whole bunch of niche things that are really only available on Gentoo via overlays. Like they got a BASIC compiler, of all things, in an overlay. Steam is in another overlay. Some emulators are only available on overlays.

@sudonim116 2 жыл бұрын

I love Gentoo way more than Arch for the moment

@JayCeeCreates 2 жыл бұрын

We are now in the period where Linux KZfaqrs are not recommending Arch for some reason.

@irregulargamer1352 5 ай бұрын

because if everyone uses Arch then they won't be special anymore

@excidium_ 2 жыл бұрын

The big question is, do you want to easily install up-to-date sofware? All the alternatives I've considered are either a bigger pain in the ass to maintain or more unstable because they're just testing grounds for stable releases.

@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын

I know some people have suggested using testing branches as rolling releases but it seems like a misuse of those systems

@member5003 2 жыл бұрын

Note that for security, not all security fixes are backported to stable distros, generally only ones that have a CVE assigned, which is a small portion of them.

@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын

That's a fair point

@Sigma1 2 жыл бұрын

I think that arch installation guide should tell you that you can just use the arch install. No real need to bother going through the installation manually if there is a tool that can do it for you. I don't use arch on my main pc, but I do use it on my old laptop that I repurposed as a server. On my main rig I use manjaro, however I ran into a few issues with it already, so I'm considering a switch when some big update happens. For now it feels like it ain't worth the hassle of setting up my system again, just to switch from an arch based distro to arch. And by hassle I don't mean that it's hard, it's just tedious and time consuming, with no real world benefit.

@woodygilson3465 Жыл бұрын

I like to distro hop, and I have a few that I really like, but I keep coming back to Arch. I'm not a power-user, per se, I just like to tinker. My primary usage is web-surfing, multimedia downloading and playback, libreoffice, a few system-monitoring utilities, and VS Code (because I'm trying to learn a little about coding)... that's about it. With Hyprland window manager (and with that, Wayland), my old 2014 Frankenmachine is now surprisingly fast, web-browsing has never been so fluid and fast, multimedia playback is quick and responsive, and my screen resolution has never looked so good. Of course, I can see how technical users can run into various issues with rolling-release software, but for me, Arch has proven to be exceptionally stable. I haven't had a single issue (that wasn't my fault) in the year and a half or so I've been using it. TLDR; imo, Arch can breathe new life into an old machine in ways that even the lightest DE can't.

@danizimo 9 ай бұрын

Idk man for me, it's fractional scaling for monitors of different resolution, lack of hdr support and no driver for my bluetooth adapter.

@silentgameplays 2 жыл бұрын

A new Linux user will really learn a lot by manually installing Arch Linux,unless that user just copy/pastes commands without reading what they mean and using man pages/Arch Wiki. Arch Linux is a great community distribution,but Debian is also a community based distro and you can have relatively new and stable packages on Debian Testing and general package availability is much much higher on Debian than Arch Linux/Gentoo. Another thing to point out,the bugs on Arch Linux,the stuff that was working like last month,can stop working next month,etc,even when using LTS kernel and drivers. As for LFS, yes,you will learn one thing that compiling your own packages takes days manually,instead of days using portage package manager while installing Gentoo and having low package availability and having enormous update lengths. On Arch Linux and Debian compiling packages takes minutes,compared to LFS/Gentoo.

@silentgameplays 2 жыл бұрын

@@coreyhollaway7368 Well you can always make a record of your own Arch Linux installation process for future uses with different VM’s all of that can be done in VM’s,the only part on real hw that will be different are the drivers for NVIDIA/AMD GPU’s.

@colbybraden 2 жыл бұрын

I love Arch and run it from time to time. But with my general workflow I need stability and reliability, Debian provides that amazingly. You can do a very minimal install of Debian and set it up very similar to Arch. That all being said Arch is a fun distro to tinker with. Same with void and Gentoo if you have the time ;)

@robertcoyle9071 2 жыл бұрын

If you like tinkering, try installing Alpine Linux. I got a build in a VM. It will certainly test your nerding skills.

@eygs493 6 ай бұрын

who cares?!

@NiceMicroTV 2 жыл бұрын

How does Brodie says almost everything on this topic in 11 minutes that took me 3 videos to elaborate on? On the "why isn't something in the repos only in the AUR" question can be answered with the fact that it is not a corporate distro, sometimes people who package something, leave the team, etc. On LFS vs Arch Install: you can lead a horse to the water but can't make it drink. But when you install Arch from the guide, and want to know details, you can just click through the links, and read. On installing Arch on an other system: I thoroughly disagree. I have reinstalled my USB-persistent Arch install after it breaking in about 25 minutes. You can literally just copy all your file system onto a different drive, regenerate the fstab, change the hostname, etc., and your new system will be the same as the last thing was.

@FACKDAWURLD 2 жыл бұрын

Installs with any OS still leaves me taking hours on setup and config. It was seriously faster when I ran dwm on arch to run my reinstall script and pull everything with my configs from github

@jotix2570 2 жыл бұрын

I use arch for 10 years until, for work, I've to maintain 3 systems... so NixOs is perfect for this use case, I maintain only a couple of .nix config files and I can reproduce my setup whatever I want, including user dotfiles with home-manager... basically is only a pieces of nix code to rule all the configurations.

@sophustranquillitastv4468 2 жыл бұрын

Arch Linux, after I tried Gentoo, it became just another linux distro that I can try whatever I want and reinstall it anytime I want. It become easy just follow the instruction and everything is working and done. I even install it for my acquaintance whose house can't really access the internet.

@ArmiaKhairy 2 жыл бұрын

I simply have three set of requirements for an OS to be my daily driver: 1. Have secure Boot enabled. 2. Does all the default system configurations and signing while installing. (especially with NVIDIA) 3. I don't put it into my mind while i'm using some program to do something important. Ubuntu and most distros based on it are the only one I know that meet those requirements.

@luckyowl10 2 жыл бұрын

I respect Brodie for accepting that Arch is not for everyone. I've tried Manjaro for a week and after updating everything that had updates in that day, it didn't even get login screen where you put your password. I like to use Linux, I don't mind if some things need to be tinkered for a better experience, but being afraid of updates nuking my install is a bit too much. After all I want an OS that can be used everyday that works with minimal problems. That's why I like Linux Mint and Pop OS more. Arch may be great for other people, but not for me.

@thatguynar 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah same here. Time I spend fixing broken packages is money wasted. I'd rather be able to turn on my computer and immediately be able to start working.

@TheTallPalm Жыл бұрын

I like arch and use it a lot but manjaro fucking hates me. The system always commits sudoku if I even consider even downloading an email app or browsing the web for some reason.

@jeffsadowski 2 жыл бұрын

would it kill them to have their package maintainer with more English friendly options. Ex: "pacman -Syu" I'm going to create an alias "upgrade" that runs the command.

@recarsion 2 жыл бұрын

I used to be an Arch fanboy but looking back it was a massive pain in the ass. It was really cool getting my hands dirty but I realized I don't care about customization all that much, I'll just choose a dark theme that I like in whatever DE I'm using, install zsh instead of bash and a few programming fonts but that's really about it. I still far prefer pacman over apt though, it's definitely not perfect but at least everything I use is available without having to use PPAs, or flatpak, or snap, or straight up having to go to a website and download the software like it's 2005. (Idk about rpm, I'm completely unfamiliar with Fedora and at this point I have no reason to distrohop.) I just default to Manjaro nowadays, I get all the advantages of Arch plus the added comfort and ease of use. Things like installing gpu drivers or swapping kernels is especially easy on Manjaro, both have saved my ass before.

@GWFO 10 ай бұрын

I used to use arch but now that I'm back my games arent working in steam like titan fall 2 and farlight 84😭but those games work on fedora, i went from Nobara to garuda

@trapspringer9891 2 жыл бұрын

@brodie Robertson this was a good video. Personally, I like the great progress of the Arch install script by the Arch team. I have been wanting to try it other source distros like Gentoo and/or Void. I still may, but for the mean time, I will just use vanilla Arch or something like Arco...

@magetaaaaaa Жыл бұрын

Everyone is talking about Void now but I have not heard of this one before. Is it newer?

@sumnerd69 2 жыл бұрын

I remember when distrotube unironically said that one should recommend arch to beginners, Lol

@exnihilonihilfit6316 2 жыл бұрын

He does have a tendency to be a moron from time to time...

@easyboost7460 19 сағат бұрын

My first distro was gentoo

@joan_of_craft4690 11 күн бұрын

I installed arch recently- it took me the better part of 7 or so hours. I made several mistakes in the process, but I figured out my mistakes and started to better understand the system. I went into this with the intention of learning, and came out of it knowing the basics of VIM, knowing how to mount drives, how Pacman works, how to format and partition drives, and how to create and manage files from the terminal, among other things. This process ended up taking far longer than I anticipated, but I'm still glad that I went through it because I accomplished what I set out to do: I learned a bit more about how to effectively use my PC.

@ThatMfTaika 2 жыл бұрын

I use arch on my personal laptop because I love to tinker, almost to a fault. On my personal PC though I am currently running Fedora for stability. Not that arch isn't stable enough, I'd just rather not worry about manual intervention and all that good stuff.

@JudoP_slinging 3 ай бұрын

I think the thing with the manual install process is that it's very hard to remember or truly learn from doing something once. I 100% was just following instructions when I did it first and probably second time too. You are dead right that I didn't really retain any of that knowledge and understanding, to learn you need to take time and play around. On the other hand I had very few issues running arch for ~4 years on two different systems. It was almost one of the least fuss free distros I ever used, maybe because I didn't try to do anything to crazy with my systems, but still. Now I run debian which has had one or two issues itself, however it has the benefit that if your update fails you have the freedom to just leave it for an extended period, whilst on arch this feels wrong.

@VittoIB 2 жыл бұрын

After starting with Mint and Ubuntu, Arch became my main to go "pure vanilla." Then I stayed on Arch to make a minimal system that worked the way I wanted it to. The wiki is amazing and should be the first place an Arch user should go.

@Chewsstudio 2 жыл бұрын

why is obs still packaged wrong lmao

@Benjamin-lh6dq 2 жыл бұрын

The image quality on your videos has improved 👍

@elmariachi5133 2 жыл бұрын

I have had the opposite experience AUR: Coming from Mint, where I had to download and build literally dozens of applications myself from github or such (which frequently failed, and forced me to live without some applications I wanted!), AUR on Manjaro opened a hole new world to me, where I actually could easily install a huge lot of the needed applications by simply clicking the mouse instead. Also many applications from Ubuntu/Mint where useless for me, becuse they where compiled with stupid options, like missing hardware acceleration for display or rendering and so on, while on Arch/Manjaro anything I needed usually is included.

@kendarr 2 жыл бұрын

This, that's exactly why I enjoy arch, the aur is just too good to pass for me.

@kennystrawnmusic 2 ай бұрын

The newer the kernel, the more hardware that respective kernel supports. I'd say that if the kernel you're running is so old that it lacks full support for your GPU or network card, that's going to hamper workflow greatly.

@texrot9781 2 жыл бұрын

tried artix, returned to arch. Setting up the distro with the console feels so fun for some reason for me but trying to make things work with anything other than systemd isn't. I would try and use either Arch, Debian or Gentoo.

@prometheus9443 Жыл бұрын

Try NixOS.

@texrot9781 Жыл бұрын

@@prometheus9443 I have been looking for distros and nix with its package manager also got my attention. I am going between arch, debian and nix right now. Will try it 👍

@kurokoshirai5402 2 жыл бұрын

I have to say after using void and gentoo that I personally like them a lot better. Certain things just about how fast arch updates can just be a pain to maintain, whereas gentoo and void are a lot nicer with their more stable approach. On gentoo I can just tell portage to get me the later version of whatever package I want, and if things break I can just roll back to the stable version.

@eygs493 6 ай бұрын

lmao

@LloydLynx 2 жыл бұрын

I use Arch because it has the latest stable packages for everything and it's relatively mainstream for a DIY distro which makes it great for gaming. Also minimal distros are easy to fix when something breaks. If I didn't want good game support, or good mainstream software support in general, I'd be using Void on my desktop.

@adarax86 Жыл бұрын

for me, arch and arch based distros are the best. I started with ubuntu in 2011-2012. then when ubuntu went with the unity de, i did not like at all, so i went to linux mint, i used that for a very long time, but there was something i did not like in ubuntu or debian based distros, but i loved linux in general. in 2019 my wife introduced me to manjaro and she like it a lot, so i tried it myself, and a fell in love with it, later on i tried arco linux witth qtile wm , now i use arch with qtile, and i cant go back to debian based distros or floating de/wm, ofc if need to use it i can but it was a quite the linux journey :)

@breadmoth6443 2 жыл бұрын

to each their own, I use Slackware and quite happy with it.

@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын

Someone has to be happy with slackware

@breadmoth6443 2 жыл бұрын

@@BrodieRobertson I am quite happy with it, and OTB(OldTechBloke) seems to like it too, along with plenty of other users.

@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын

@@breadmoth6443 glad to see you like your system

@bostickdoesmusic1746 2 жыл бұрын

I love Arch, but I noticed that most of the packages I was installing through the AUR were regularly going out of date and having lots of issues. Most of these are also out as Flatpaks, so I've started using those instead. I switched back to Fedora because I wasn't able to really reap the benefits of Arch anymore. But I also really miss pacman :(

@omfgbunder2008 2 жыл бұрын

After having to reinstall arch again for the third time this month, the install doc kind of sucks. They make a tiny footnote about networking and booting, so if you skim it and don't click on any other links on the page, you wind up getting a system that can't boot, let alone fetch updates or install a GUI. Then when you want to install KDE, they do the same thing with installing xorg first and installing sddm afterwards. If you want to boot off efi, that's another 3 pages you have to read, and it would have been nice to know to install efibootmgr during the pacstrap phase. Yes I'm salty, but gentoo is way better.

@loretbiget784 Жыл бұрын

Arch is cool and awesome, I found my distro's -Garuda (which was based on arch) package had always in conflict with arch repository, and for my age and work type, I need a stable system. Hence debian based distros (specially Boss) are my type.

@spaceguybob 2 жыл бұрын

I actually use bedrock,and as a user with access to every distro's features I find that the only true positive benefit of arch is the AUR and a few packages from there, I much prefer the features and stability of debian or even debian sid in comparison to the small package base of a default arch install

@3333218 2 жыл бұрын

Would you recommend Bedrock?

@spaceguybob 2 жыл бұрын

@@3333218 for an advanced user, yes. It's got its own limitations but overall it is a great choice for a person who wants to use apps from many linux distros at once, now while as of me saying this the two main bugs I go through are the app cache not automatically which is not hard to manually do at least on KDE and certain themes not working fully though they usually do. It's super modular and leta you install pretty much any distro directly and if it's not there you can import any linux distro via a .vdi or .vhd

@3333218 2 жыл бұрын

@@spaceguybob I have been meaning to try Bedrock Linux but I wouldn't call myself an 'advanced user'. I've migrated to Linux about 7 or 8 months ago and I'm still just learning the basics; I've however a computer science degree, if that's worth any points in being an 'advanced user'. So far the most disencouraging thing about trying Bedrock is that it currently doesn't support Clear or Solus Linux distributions. Which is a shame as I wanted their kernel optimizations and I really liked their stateless file system structure.

@spaceguybob 2 жыл бұрын

@@3333218 but, If you want clear linux or solus after you install and hijack another distro you can install them directly with brl fetch : ). i've only used linux for less then year, what I mean by "advanced" user I mean someone willing to learn more as you go. If you don't want to fully switch and install it I highly recommend at least testing it in a virtual machine, it's really fun to experiment with it

@gonootropics2.065 10 ай бұрын

I think they make it unnecessarily difficult for new users. In the installation tutorial they basically just link you to a general page about Fdisk without ever telling you how it works or the steps to partition.

@haidermirza192 2 жыл бұрын

I completely agree, I used to use Arch but I soon got bored and switched to Guix (An Operating system similar to NixOS) because of it's reproducable benifits and much more

@Tn5421Me 2 жыл бұрын

Isn't GUIX just FOSS-only NixOS

@bryanhoffman4331 2 жыл бұрын

I too switched to Guix from Arch and won't go back - I can check my OS configs into source control and get my Guix system up and running very quickly. It has a bit of a learning curve but I found my Distro For Life in Guix.

@formbi 2 жыл бұрын

@@Tn5421Me no, Guix uses Guile Scheme instead of the Nix language

@Tn5421Me 2 жыл бұрын

@@formbi Oh, I wasn't actually aware of that. You learn something every day. Thanks!!

@davsalas 2 жыл бұрын

Fedora minimal is often overlook as an option for a customizable distro. All the benefits and none of the hassle

@inconnudeuxmille1752 2 жыл бұрын

I tried Arch once. I installed it myself without the script and all. Wayland didn't support autotype so I just nuke it and went to bed. I'm grumpy when I don't go to sleep. Later I installed SteamOS with the holoiso but again without the using the script ( I wanted to keep my home partition) Nuke it when the Steam overlay annoyed me. And now I'm failing to install Arch again for my game. I'm screwing up my /boot and /efi partition. I want to really try it but every time something goes awry I just keep going back to Debian. Even though I want some modern features

@HammerheartBloodeagle Жыл бұрын

Longtime Gentoo user here, added Arch on my main laptop a few months ago. Setup doesn't hold your hand but it's less fiddly than Gentoo which gives you absolute control over absolutely everything. I like having a functional base system and then adding what I want on top of it. Sure, delving into Arch will require a few braincells, some headscratching and reading on the Wiki but in my personal experience Arch earned it's spot on my main machine and will remain there. My Xfce install idles at 685MB RAM, which is great. Ultimately I would say I prefer Gentoo, and yes Arch isn't for everyone but it's a rewarding experience and a solid system.

@gimcrack555 2 жыл бұрын

I'm one of the guys; what you try first, it's going to stick with you. Especially the Wow to Linux and Love Linux and you stick with it or at least go back to it, because it's your first. I started on a Debian base distro call SimplyMepis at the time. Three months before Ubuntu first release. So I didn't even had Ubuntu as a choice. SimplyMepis with KDE and fell in love with it. I'm now using MX Xfce the same developers that created SimplyMepis. So it's like I went full circle with Linux. So Debian base distro's or even Debian vanilla is my Linux of choice. I did manage to install Arch with the Wiki help in a VM. Took a third try to get it done. But was able to do it. Debian Stable is behind a few versions and that never bother me. I do know how to build from source. So I have that to upgrade something if I really needed to.

@uuu12343 2 жыл бұрын

It's funny, because I use Arch and initially the reason was because of Customization and wanting the rolling release But then I realised, it's majorly the customization and "from scratch" portion that I wanted... So I went to learn "Debian from Scratch via the terminal" using Debootstrap :V I made a guide for that that involves explanation similar to the ArchLinux guide but still a WIP But the process is similar, with some extra unpacking and untars

@xperience-evolution Жыл бұрын

After using Linux for more than 3 years I installed an Arch based Distro 4 days ago and EVERY damn day when I turn on my PC I run into a Problem. I will switch to Endeavour tomorrow and will give ot an other try. Otherwise openSUSE Tumbleweed and Vanilla OS

@jamzbraz Жыл бұрын

My experience exactly! It's either GRUB that fucks up when you boot other OS, won't boot out of nowhere, some package that gets obsolete and break... Don't you dare ask for help, it has the rudest forums users I've ever seen.

@xperience-evolution Жыл бұрын

@@jamzbraz Fortunately Endeavour OS gives the choice to install Systemd Boot instead of Grub. For dualbooting 2 Linux Distros Systemd Boot is better.Cachy OS community is good and I heard good things about the Endeavour Forums. So far Endeavour is working good (1 Week now) but I think I will switch anyway. I don't like the AUR and many big Apps are not officialy supported on Arch (Brave for example)

@shugyosha7924 2 ай бұрын

Exactly! I heard installing Arch was difficult and today finally watched a video on it, but it didn't look as hard as people made it out to be. Or as much of a learning experience. Maybe it is if you've never done partitions or something before but it's not exactly the elite level Arch's reputation had me believe. And it's not like you need to memorise that stuff anyway - you typically only need it once in a blue moon, so it's fine to look it up online.

@9tailedyokai 2 жыл бұрын

Right now, my laptop is running Arch, and after many times distro hopping through VM's before I got the laptop, Arch became my default distro of choice, and I honestly love Arch, while it might take long to do post-install stuff, I'd rather do that, than putting up with 2 weeks out of date packages (Manjaro) and ton of other issues it has, but yes, Arch is not for everyone, I wouldn't put my girlfriend onto Arch, no matter how many times she'd pull puppy eyes at me, but the Arch Wiki is honestly big brain time and it taught me many useful things

@ShaunPrince Жыл бұрын

Just built my first Arch system, and this is the first video that I watch on it.

@AeriaVelocity 2 жыл бұрын

Making the mother of all omelettes here, Brodie. Can't fret over every egg.

@Govijuan 7 ай бұрын

I'm a noob on Linux, and actually use Mac Os for almost everything as I have to edit video, audio and images sometimes, but I'm a Developer so I like to know about servers etc. I got an old machine (for free ) which I'm using as a homeserver. It came with windows 7 installed and I installed a Manjaro Linux on it. I have learned a lot using the Arch Linux wiki.

@Govijuan 7 ай бұрын

As I have read, Manjaro Linux is based on Arch Linux. I have tried very lightweight Linux Distros, but most don't offer as much support nor have as big as a community. Before, I installed a Puppy linux on that old machine since it was recommended for old machines, but when I relized that I could install Manjaro on It, I just did. I'm curious abour arch Linux, Maybe I'll try and boot an Arch Linux installation from a USB or SD Card, I dont Know. I could aldo replace the CD/DVD player whith a sata cady adaptor connectos for a second ssd and try something there aswell.

@johnesau3694 Ай бұрын

I never got past the installer 😂. They never told me my usb wifi dongle doesn't work 😅

@classicrockonly 2 жыл бұрын

I used Arch some in the mid 2010s. I dropped it because it constantly had something broken. Tried it again in the form of Garuda recently. What drove me nuts was the constant flood of having hundreds of MB of packages to update. Switched to Fedora and I’m happy here. I didn’t want a custom system. Linux has way too many moving parts these days that I don’t want to tinker with every little piece of barely or poorly documented software. My “tinker” system is OpenBSD. If something doesn’t work, they give me the tools and docs to make it work IN the operating system or FAQ. I’ve made everything work that way. No floods and floods of updates either, yet, my system is fully “custom”. Which I guess, just means “I have a window manager”

@prometheus9443 Жыл бұрын

Why did you update so often? Update Arch once a week at most, don't turn it into an addiction.

@Achrononmaster Жыл бұрын

Torvalds does not even grok the whole kernel now. So this "need for learning GNU+Linux" is a relational concept, it depends on what you need or want to learn. In the old times I remember "learning" it all because on Fedora 2 so much was bleeding edge one needed a tampon whenever installing the latest scientific software packages,... so many rpm dependency hellholes, so many subsequent installs from source, I was driven to gentoo for a while. LFS makes sense, or is one path of many, if your intent is to be a sysadmin or core developer.

@konnilol4 2 жыл бұрын

I use Arch for many tears now but sometimes it's just such a pain... I've tried switching to Gentoo on my secondary/project system but with the compile time on my hardware it's completely unusable. The thing to note is, that I use Linux for way over a decade now and even though I wouldn't call myself a power user I'm still able to do basically anything I need to get done and I would never recommend Arch (or even most Arch based distros) to someone who is new to Linux or just doesn't have the knowledge needed...

@una-mura 2 жыл бұрын

But which users make the best use of Arch?

@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын

Technical users with too much time

@una-mura 2 жыл бұрын

@@BrodieRobertson Makes sense. Thank you :)

@mikahuttunen7054 2 жыл бұрын

Somehow I feel that nowdays there's a lot of threads on reddit's arch-board, where people have some problems and the post always starts with "I installed arch using the archinstall-script.." and the problem is always something like "I have no idea how to partition my hard drive" or "now I need a bootloader but I have no idea how to install it", and sometimes the post even features a sweet "I tried to do it with archwiki but that was too complicated for me, then I followed some 5 years old video and now it doesn't work" :D I'm not saying the install scripts are wrong but it seems they attract a lot of people who are not ready

@Fender178 2 жыл бұрын

With someone like me who wants to try his hand with Arch Linux without going through the complex instructions I am going to install Manjaro since Steam OS is Arch Based I want to get familiar with Pacman since I am so used to using Apt since I have been using Ubuntu off and on for years.

@nezu_cc 2 жыл бұрын

You might say that installing arch(the post-setup phase) takes a long time. That's true, but trying to fight with whatever your "standard distro" bundles as the default takes even longer. Aka it's faster to install and configure what you want/need from scratch rather then first uninstall what you don't need and then install/configure what you actually want.

@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын

If you want something completely custom then picking a distro where you have to fight with the defaults doesn't make any sense, however most Linux users will be fine just slightly modifying the defaults

@OcteractSG 2 жыл бұрын

As someone considering ZFS RAID to come closer to guaranteeing that my system can boot up successfully, Arch probably is not for me. Right now, MX Linux and Fedora are the two leading options for me.

@bobbybologna3029 2 жыл бұрын

Archlinux is great because it ships with "nothing". I hate pre-configurations because its never what I want, and the hand-holding of other distros just outright annoy me to no end. I keep a gitlab of my home folder and dotfiles backed up and a simple post-install script that i keep updated that installs my system wherever i want it as long as theres a network connection. I typically refrain from using distros that arent mainline anyway, I feel like they do too much with little payoff. Arch is only really a pain the first time you use it, but as you build out your own system and maintain your configurations it becomes painless.

@michal1693 9 ай бұрын

yes, exactly. It's like your personalized distro you only compile the first time and after you have list of apps you use and dotfiles for your apps you might as well automate the install like in other distros

@b1zzler 2 жыл бұрын

Installing Arch isn't too bad if you just use GNOME or KDE. The guided CLI installer isn't as user friendly as fedora's Anaconda installer or whatever Ubuntu uses, but you don't need to follow a youtube video or read the arch wiki just to get a DE installed like you did in the past.

@miinus8972 Жыл бұрын

i spent pretty much the last 3 days installing and setting up arch as my first linux distro, because I needed a linux system and read somewhere to use arch. Everything is working now! mostly. but I think the things that aren't working wouldn't be working on ubuntu either. Overall, I think while it was more manual work than necessary for what is not a specially "customized" system it wasn't a shit show, even as a first time linux user. Just a pain to look up the same few terminal commands over and over again in the beginning. Also I only went off of random articles/reddit posts/KZfaq videos instead of the arch wiki because the wiki always assumed I already knew way more than I actually do. And I started over completely with what I had learned once because it just seemed easier.

@miinus8972 Жыл бұрын

this was also on my laptop with no mouse plugged in though, i really wish I had a second mouse. If I could start over I would research distros first and use something beginner friendly with good package availability that's easy to use as a Windows user out of the box, maybe like pop os but I still haven't really done research on other distros. And I would just put it on a VM on my main system.