Are Clemson & FSU Going to the Big 12?

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Are Clemson & FSU Going to the Big 12?

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@gagebyers1057 Ай бұрын

Big 12 about to shock the world

@Chris-jv3xp Ай бұрын

Florida State, Clemson , Louisville and Miami.

@martinstarling7951 Ай бұрын

Pete looks and sounds like he was stung by bees

@FloridaManCollin Ай бұрын

The Big 12 would basically be a lateral move if you ask me, FSU should go to the SEC for the proximity of opponents, the tradition and $

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

For how long and by how many professionals must it be reported that CLEMSON and FSU are low expansion priorities for the SEC?

@jimmorrison3924 Ай бұрын

My god FSU to the SEC...never even thought of that...u live under a rock?

@vernonsheldon-witter1225 14 күн бұрын

Nobody asked you.

@politicalkerbouchard Ай бұрын

32 Team Big 12. ND,Stanford,FSU,Clemson and 4 pods of 8 teams each. Hear me out. Yormark sells the deal to Private Equity, TV Networks etc that the following 32 teams are worth more than the smaller SEC and Big Ten conferences and will draw more eyeballs all over the country. This convinces Notre Dame, FSU, Clemson, that they can get more money and have a better path to the playoff than joining the SEC or Big Ten. They would be big fish in a medium size pond in the big 12, rather than being lost in the shuffle with the Big Ten or SEC. Stretching from the East Coast to the West Coast with great rivalry matchups and regional travel for olympic sports. West. WA St., ORSt Stanford, (Cal or SDSU) AZ St, AZ BYU, UT Midwest CO, OK ST Kansas, KState TT, Baylor TCU Houston East IA St, ND Cincy, Louisville Pitt, WV VA, VA Tech South Miami UCF FSU, GA Tech Clemson, Duke NC, NC State.

@haydenguy2623 Ай бұрын

Jake made a great point- every time there are whispers, something happens. But first the whispers were BIG10, then SEC, now BIG12. Idk why you would risk HELLA $ in a legal battle (which you could lose) just to make a lateral move and be making the same $. They know where they’re going, it’s not the BIG12

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

FSU was (and is even now more) desperate, so an "all or nothing" strategy was justified. That usually ends with nothing, and that's the BIG12.

@Bigbossman12624 Ай бұрын

BIG12 is a massive step up in nearly every way. Only solid ACC team last year was FSU.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

@@Bigbossman12624 The BIG12 is the worst (by far) P4 in athletics, academics, value and prestige. If FSU ends up in the BIG12, it will be a cautionary tale.

@Almighty5-ww1kl Ай бұрын

@@Bigbossman12624Clemson went 9- 4 how that not solid

@wvgolfnut1 Ай бұрын

If FSU would've been undefeated in the Big 12, they would've made the playoffs

@maccleezy801 Ай бұрын

FSU and Clemson only go to the B12 if SEC and B1G say no…. And a lot of rumors say those 2 conferences are good and may turn those 2 down. So… this is a reality but it’s such a hot take ppl don’t believe it. IMO it is definitely a possibility especially if ESPN can negotiate a bigger payout for those 2 schools

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

CLEMSON and FSU are worth more in the ACC and would depreciate in the BIG12. FSU likely has no choice but the BIG12, but CLEMSON has a good chance at a UNC coattail to the SEC.

@wvgolfnut1 Ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406the Big 20 ans SEC teams aren't going to take a pay cut to add FSU or Clemson. The ACC is so weak that an undefeated champ couldn't even make the playoffs.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

@@wvgolfnut1 Been addressed many times previously.

@Chris-jv3xp Ай бұрын

I think ESPN is trying to save money and can pay half price in the Big 12.

@hugh009 Ай бұрын

FSU grad. Did not know that about Big 12 Commissioner. I'm a long time serial entrepreneur and love that now two venture capital companies are already approaching FSU.

@carnakthemagnificent336 Ай бұрын

I understand the need for any business to be growing, or they will be dying. But I fail to see the upside of larger and fewer conferences. The Pac 12 failed to grow, and they died, but college sports were more interesting with a large regional conference, including one on the West Coast.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

The PAC footprint waned in value, and the PAC failed to recognize it had fallen to Tier 2. That's why the PAC died.

@garybrown5391 Ай бұрын

You only leave the ACC for the Big 12 if there is private equity money that is paid with a huge and unequal share that compares to the SEC and BIG 10.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

How long does that money last and what happens as CLEMSON/FSU depreciate in the BIG12?

@garybrown5391 Ай бұрын

@tarheel7406 I would imagine it's a contract deal over xxx years like every other league, but my point is more about how uneven and unrealistic of a deal it would have be.

@wvgolfnut1 Ай бұрын

The Big 10 and SEC teams aren't going to take a pay cut to add FSU or Clemson. If FSU would've been undefeated in the Big 12, they wouldn't have missed the playoffs.

@joseamaya4445 Ай бұрын

I’m sure FSU and Clemson will get a little more, but it won’t be to the extent of SEC/B1G. I would still move to the B12 if that’s their only option if somehow they can escape grant of rights, because B12 can still negotiate contract and probably push 33 million to 38 million per school pay out plus all the other revenues. Currently B12 is projected to make 45-55 million while B1G is projected 85 million and sec 75 million. I can see fsu/clemson getting an additional 5-10 million and B12 contract renews half a decade before ACC, so it’ll be a future investment.

@loginyoass3771 Ай бұрын

Welcome to the big 12!

@aawagner011 Ай бұрын

I was surprised to see no discussion about grant of rights. While your talk about CU/FSU going to the SEC due to ESPN overlap between conferences is logical, it fails to recognize that the ACC owns their media rights through 2036 because the schools granted it to them. So the ACC owns their TV rights and can assign them to their media partners and pays out its member institutions the TV revenues. But if they move conferences, they will be in violation of their GOR and will not receive a payout. Nor can they resell their rights to another media partner (ie Fox if they went to the B1G) because they don’t own their own rights, the ACC does. Maybe there will come a breaking point where the cost to buy back their rights outweighs the long term loss of future revenue. Also, there is little incentive for ESPN to aid in the move because they’re currently paying them below market compared to what they’d be worth in the SEC. I think the SEC and B1G could be interested long term, but not while they have the albatross of a contract for the next 12 years. It’s not worth the legal battle for either of those conferences when I don’t think they’d make the TV contract that much bigger to begin with. Yes, the TV contract “pie” if you will would get bigger if they joined the SEC or B1G, but I don’t think it’s to the point where the per school payout would be any bigger, and that’s the main sticking point. If you aren’t adding value, then what’s the point? I think the lone college property out there that would add value to the SEC or the B1G is Notre Dame. The others either keep it consistent or probably diminish the overall value. Now Clemson or FSU adding value to the Big 12 is another story, but I think they have equally the same issue of getting out of their 12 year GOR with the ACC to make any deals.

@DavidM442 Ай бұрын

Rumor is that ESPN is writing an amendment to the GOR and Media contract so teams can leave. Of course the important part is the details and we do not know the details.

@505premoto Ай бұрын

The EPSN contract expires in 2027 unless ESPN renews and if they don’t, the GOR goes with it. But the biggest problem for the ACC is what the definition of certain words is. Either one or both judges out of state could rule against the ACC and both schools could leave for maybe $80m each. Secondly, FSU earns more for the ACC than all but maybe three or four schools in the B1G earn. They are one of the most profitable teams in the country.

@ardentlions6636 Ай бұрын

We don’t want either prima Donna’s in the b12

@supdall345 Ай бұрын

You don’t want to see your Conference succeed and each school to make a bigger profit each year, therefore making the football programs bigger and better, while having a higher chance of competing for a National Title? Damn, really strange mindset.

@RedRaiderLC Ай бұрын

The additions will change the dynamics Yormark is smarter than all us put together. TV deal will either go up or Yormark will go elsewhere. Never understood why B10 gets more than the SEC. These things are not stagnant. Nor are the differences in pay.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

The B1G is historically uber-flagships with large undergrad enrollments with good to elite academics. That means large fanbases of higher media value per viewer. In contrast, the SEC generally consists of historically smaller states and schools with much lower academic standing.

@davidfloyd9134 Ай бұрын

Fact is the Big10 prefers ND & Stanford and the SEC prefers UNC & UVA.

@brett8078 Ай бұрын

If they wanted Stanford. Why didn't they take them? 😄

@ronelite582 Ай бұрын

@@brett8078Notre Dame is allegedly requesting them as a partner. ND and Stanford are historical rivals.

@brett8078 Ай бұрын

@ronelite582 it's not enough pull obviously. Notre dame is #1 for every conference. But Outside of sec, big ten. FSU draws the most eyes to tv sets

@brett8078 Ай бұрын

@@davidfloyd9134 plus florida is a more valuable footprint and recruiting ground than NC or virginia

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

@@brett8078 It's been 3 years now. Why are FSU fans still in denial?

@charleslockhart9970 Ай бұрын

Its a 30-40 million dollar a year difference for fsu not 7-8

@ariankarimi952 Ай бұрын

The on the field product of FSU is no longer top tier, look what money did for Nebraska and maryland....nothing!

@theknowitall4090 Ай бұрын

Since 90 I have wondered where FSU ends up. Clemson was always ACC but FSU was that golden calf and I was shocked when they went ACC. FSU and Clemson made way more sense to the SEC than OU and Texas.

@Goeers206 Ай бұрын

Would Clemson and FSU prefer the Big 12 as the first option, no. However, if the Notre dame and Stanford rumors to the Big 10 have any validity, bet your bottom dollar they will hold out for the holy grail of realignment in Notre Dame. Also, if the rumblings are true about the SEC prefering to have UNC and UVA for new markets, there is a possibility Clemson and FSU could be on the outside looking in on the P2. If they did come to the Big 12, it wouldn't be a lateral move. We just added the 4 corner schools, and with FSU and Clemson, our CFP revenue would go up, and our media deal rolls around in 2030-2031. Would it be SEC or Big 10 money? No. But they would most likely bring a media payout of around 60m per school, without all the other pay outs added in, which is alot better than what they have in the ACC. Not to mention, the Big 12 is a more competitive league as a whole than the ACC, so your wins look better and playing a Big 12 schedule as an FSU and Clemson probably gets you in the CFP alot more often than playing a Big 10 or SEC schedule. I dont think it would be a bad place for them. The Big 12 has great fanbases and culture I think both institutions would grow to like being in the league if it ended up being their only option.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

It would be a downgrade. CLEMSON and FSU would depreciate in the BIG12, which is already the bottom P4 in actual value, academics and prestige.

@Goeers206 Ай бұрын

@tarheel7406 No, they wouldn't. Is that why Texas and OU are in the SEC now because they were depreciated by being in the Big 12? You just always view things from the past. We are not in the 1980s anymore, Clemson has carried the ACC, and outside them, ACC football has been down all the way around. Since 1998, against all P4 conferences, the Big 12 has a winning record of 210-207. They only have head to head losses against the SEC. The Big 12 has head to head wins over the Big 10, Pac, and ACC. The ACC has a losing record against the Big 12, Pac, SEC, and Big 10 with 256-314. They are the worst P4 football conference, Clemson isn't the whole ACC. Since the portal changes and NIL, the Big 12 has more tournament bids than the ACC and 2 national titles, the ACC has 1 and fewer tournament bids. The Big 12 has a winning record in head to heads against all P4 conferences with 38-31. The ACC has a losing record 34-56. For the last 5 years, the Big 12 has a winning bowl record of 22-13, and the ACC has a losing record 21-28. The ACC has played 14 more bowl games and still has fewer wins. No one watches collegiate sports for academics. They watch it for the quality of the product on the field or court. The Big 12 does that vastly better than the ACC. Can't argue the stats. The ACC is abysmal without FSU and Clemson.

@Goeers206 Ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406 Not to mention using media deals from a 12 team league to equate the value of a new 16 team league or 18 team league if FSU and Clemson join doesn't add up. The Big 12s future media rights deal is going to be better than the ACCs hands down.

@wvgolfnut1 Ай бұрын

The teams in the Big 10 and SEC aren't going to take a pay cut to add FSU or Clemson. Why would they? I don't see either adding teams *except Notre Dame) before their media rights deals are up in 2030

@supdall345 Ай бұрын

Notre Dame fanboys are hilarious, they always underperform and haven’t won a Title in any of our lifetimes. They’re the most overrated sports team in America and I’d even argue their “brand” isn’t even bigger than FSU or Clemson (maybe the same but not necessarily BIGGER). Success matters, always has, always will, and ND has just LACKED that top level success in the past 35 years that BOTH Clemson and FSU have achieved a multitude of times.

@FSU.Seminoles1 Ай бұрын

This is nothing more than Click Bait!

@kriscobb-xi1wq Ай бұрын

BIG 12 will be the best conference as A&M goes to Big Ten they should asked to go back to the Big 12 Gigem ??

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

Clueless.... a) BY's statements are echoes of the PAC Commissioner's empty boasts. b) Hello McFly, the ACC has already preemptively backfilled for UNC, CLEMSON and FSU.

@UHLSU1982 Ай бұрын

The guy who is second from the far left has a giant head compared to his tiny body.

@maximus1318able Ай бұрын

There's no point in leaving the acc for the big 12. If they're going to leave it should be for the big10 or sec. Now if the big 12 is the only option, then they should do it. No matter how you look at it, unfortunately it's time to leave the acc. A conf I grew up on and loved watching. To me it will be a sad day when the Noles don't play Clemson, gators and/or the cants every season anymore.

@ryanevans2655 Ай бұрын

This is exactly what Utah, AZ, and Colorado fans were saying about 13 months ago. (Get ready to learn Truck Stop buddy)

@maxherbig2728 Ай бұрын

That’s not entirely accurate… there’s ONE valid point in leaving, and that’s the fact that the Big 12 media rights contracts with Fox and ESPN are both more easily renegotiated during the duration of the current contract AND are up for renewal/renegotiation a half a decade sooner

@ryanevans2655 Ай бұрын

@@maxherbig2728 point number two. Clemson/FSU aside, there are 7 ACC schools serious about winning in football, with alumni bases willing and able to put forth the resources to compete. All 16 Big 12 schools are serious about football, with the will and resources to do what it takes to compete. There are no unserious football schools (BC, Cuse, Wake, GT, Duke, UVA) in the Big 12. Even the B12’s small private schools or historic basketball schools have spent or are spending hundreds of millions on making football nationally competitive.

@wvgolfnut1 Ай бұрын

The teams in the Big 10 or SEC aren't going to take a pay cut to add FSU or Clemson. Maybe Notre Dame.

@ElderPlanet7079 Ай бұрын

Private equity can change a whole lot of things

@bsimp821 Ай бұрын

This Big12 talk is smoke. Feldman, Thamel, and those associated with the AD departments of those institutions would've gotten the green light to leak this to the public.

@terryrich4889 Ай бұрын

Lil 12 don't have enough money to pay g5 teams it already have. Where will they get the mo🎉ney. Memphis pr boise state add nothing to the acc. Acc will be fine once fs and Clemson leaves.

@jimmorrison3924 Ай бұрын

Get ready to miss more playoffs and get paid less then UCF. Big 12 is the ONLY option for them. They need the b12 more than the b12 needs them. Equal membership or they can kick rocks

@TJones-yf4ri Ай бұрын

Simply laughable how these talking heads continually try to grow something from nothing.

@OSU2010 Ай бұрын

They going to SEC

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

For how long and by how many professionals must it be reported that CLEMSON and FSU are low expansion priorities for the SEC?

@Lane2268 Ай бұрын

I would like to see the sec and the big 10 both sporting 32 member conferances, see big 10 afc draFT STOCK AND SEC NFC DRAFT STOCK AND THE BIG 12 lEINGERIE FOORBALL GIRL SCHOOL BUSINESS, ok we will let them go to the united football league and OSU can send their football players to the rehab leaguie.

@seminoleboy96 Ай бұрын

How does he not know Clemson/FSU are suing ACC haha

@JustNope7 Ай бұрын

Fsu has a better chance in the BigXII than anywhere else. Congrats on beating UF and LSU. They don't represent the SEC anymore. Kelly will be fired/retired from LSU, and UF has been a dumpster fire for about a decade. You can't just quit in the SEC and still win in that conference.

@Lane2268 Ай бұрын

so why arent you uhm folks "crazy people" hearing the whispers of Texas A abd M and Missouri wanting to jump to the Big 10? if so Because Nebraska is no longer aau could they possibly end up at brety floormats big 12 conferance? Or could Oklahoma Have their twin brother back in a congerance and see nebraska back in a souther recruiting field and join OU as an wec school.

@ARMY-ep6fz Ай бұрын

Congratulations 👏 go to the Big loser conference . Lol 🤣🤣🤣

@encycl07pedia- Ай бұрын

That's the conference we're leaving, genius.

@ARMY-ep6fz Ай бұрын

@@encycl07pedia- big 12 is big loser. They're leaving the ACC dummy. The best conference is the SEC. Roll tide

@ARMY-ep6fz Ай бұрын

@@encycl07pedia- i am smart enough to know the best football is in the SEC

@encycl07pedia- Ай бұрын

@@ARMY-ep6fz Yeah, you have the intelligence of many Alabama fans. Of course my post went right over your head. The SEC didn't even make it to the CFI finals with their illegitimate spot. On the plus side, you're an ideal pawn: no mind of your own, no questioning orders, no real loss if you never come home.

@ARMY-ep6fz Ай бұрын

@@encycl07pedia- i also have the joy of many championships as a Bama fan loser

@MrJara1018 Ай бұрын

@Kaelrox Ай бұрын

No no no no please no! I hate the SEC with a passion. It is the evil empire but I will take the SEC over big12.

@wvgolfnut1 Ай бұрын

If FSU would've been undefeated in the Big 12, they would've made the playoffs

@jamesb0255 Ай бұрын

Don't let your heart override your brain. The SEC is by far the better choice for Florida State. I say this as a 42-year-old fan, 20-year-old booster, and a member of the battles end. So trust me those that care the most want the SEC. It's better for Tallahassee. It's better for the university. And everybody makes more money because our football team will be competing and competing very well in the best football conference in the nation. I was mad too. I absolutely hated what happened. I was at the ACC Championship game and then went to a restaurant sitting at the bar eating breakfast watching the selection show and almost threw up my food when we were not selected. It was devastating. But calmer heads must prevail even mine. The SEC has 16 national championships in the last 20 years or so. The Big Ten has three. I would rather go to the conference of champions.

@jamesb0255 Ай бұрын

@@wvgolfnut1That is purely speculative 😂. Plus I very seriously doubt that.

@porterosbournejr.5083 Ай бұрын

I love it when arrogant people get their comeuppance. Hey FSU, don’t treat your current conference like 💩 and maybe you will be attractive to one of the Big 2 conferences.

@encycl07pedia- Ай бұрын

You got it the wrong way around. The ACC has treated FSU like garbage for well over a decade at this point. I mean just look at FSU's placement in FOOTBALL commercials. The ACC is content being a G5 conference with that horrible CFI deal, lets ND walk all over them instead of forcing ND to join the ACC, and runs a major business like a lemonade stand, like operating against the best interests of the conference to prop up floundering Raycom. And that's not even getting into the terrible refs that favor Tobacco Road schools, especially flipping Wake Forest (Why?).

@BlackMenAreDope Ай бұрын

Treat the ACC like shit? The ACC is a business, not a person. Don’t feel sad for corporate businesses, especially ones who take advantage of other business (ACC Schools) and sign them to lifetime deals of financial slavery.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

@@encycl07pedia- Also ignorant.... a) FSU fans paranoid. b) The CFP already accounts for expected ACC depletion. c) ND was not going to be forced to join the ACC under prior circumstances. d) Delusional to think that a Tier 3 rights deal with Raycom (a long-standing partner) was material. Even wild animals know not to poo where they are sleeping. Going scorched earth has really harmed FSU's relationships with the parties that matter.

@Almighty5-ww1kl Ай бұрын

FSU wouldn’t want to leave if there wasn’t so much mismanagement at the top but you dnt see that

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

@@Almighty5-ww1kl FSU has indeed been mismanaged at the top.

@waylon1395 Ай бұрын

They aint going to the big 12 ,well fsu aint anyway

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

FSU may not have a choice.

@TraJonR3D Ай бұрын

Nope.

@ST-ov8cm Ай бұрын

FSU and Clemson will join the SEC. And Florida, Missouri, Notre Dame, and A&M go to the Big 10.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

For how long and by how many professionals must it be reported that CLEMSON and FSU are low expansion priorities for the SEC?

@FSUOwnsTheState Ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406anyone reporting that is about as knowledgeable as you. That’s not a good thing. NOBODY knows what the powers that be are doing behind the scene. Most certainly not you.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

@@FSUOwnsTheState Amazing. FSU defenders still in denial bring those stranded Japanese soldiers to mind.

@FSUOwnsTheState Ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406 Denying what? That you know absolutely nothing and jump at every headline you see with amazing naivety? You are not an insider, and you're an absolute fool if you believe anyone has told you anything of substance about where any of the ACC schools might end up. Stop pretending to have a clue of what you're talking about. It's sad.

@FSUOwnsTheState Ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406 deny what? All things are still possible. The thing we know for certain is that you aren’t an insider and would be insanely naive to take any reporting on this at face value. You simply have no idea what you’re talking about.

@user-jt8pn9zc9v Ай бұрын

So funny. Big12 isn’t bullying anyone. Big12 is being used in a negotiation. Too funny

@petewilcox3354 Ай бұрын

Used for what?? If the sec or b1g wanted them they would already be there

@jakewillingham2529 Ай бұрын

Of course they run from comp. Big 12 is damn near a G5 with no UT or OU. Ok st is above average, but no other top tier programs.

@user-tc9ny4nm5l Ай бұрын

What about Utah?

@wvgolfnut1 Ай бұрын

If FSU would've been undefeated in the Big 12, they would've made the playoffs

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

@@wvgolfnut1 Nope, not if that would have kept the SEC out.

@Lane2268 Ай бұрын

Saya every schizophrenic ever there is truth in the whispers.

@SL-vy8ue Ай бұрын

No. Just no.

@theonenationpopulist Ай бұрын

First comment ❤.

@rx2878 Ай бұрын

Big-12 is mid. Brett Yormark is a grifter.

@Live_Free_or_Die_a_KSU_Wildcat Ай бұрын

Sorry - unimpressed with reporting and commentary. Go watch John Kurtz, Greg Flugaur, or Big XII Mafia. The Dellinger scoop on the convos came from Kurtz.