I feel like the only way it can go beyond a rivalry propped up by the media is if Mbappe goes to Man United or they both go to real/barca. They need to be part of a larger club rivalry

What differentiates Messi and Ronaldo from the rest of the great players is their longevity and consistency. Being the best in the world for over 15 years is commendable. I feel Haaland and Mbappe are great players and currently the best, but for them to reach the levels of Messi and Ronaldo, they need to show this consistency for the next 10 years.

I can picture an alternate universe where messi and ronaldo were part of different generations and people wondered "Imagine if they played against each other, who would be best?" I'm very lucky to have been part of this reality

Mbappe reminds me of Thierry Henry more than anyboday else. Haaland is more like a mixture between C.Ronaldo and Zlatan I guess ? Messi is on his own level in my opinion and so far we haven't seen anyone like him.

Both mbappe and Haaland seem to be copies of only Ronaldo tbh, but like dividing Ronaldo’s qualities between each other and putting them into overdrive. Messi’s ability to dribble hasn’t been replicated in anyone besides a few where they weren’t nearly able to excel at the other things Messi was able to do at a young age

We will never see another Messi & CR7 in our lifetime. They’re both in a different galaxy.

Believe it or not, we lived through the best era of football. Never we have seen the sheer intensity and rivalry in one era before the messaldo era. It was something to cherish for a football fan.

Messi and C.Ronaldo were so insane for such a sustained period of time that you couldn´t measure them by "feel" anymore, and had to bring stats into the room. Before them the "best" players rarely were the "best" stats wise, I feel that´w why we focus so much on forwards nowdays, even over more creative midfield players whose assists make it possible for those forwards to score so many goals in the first place.

I feel like the rivalry between Ronaldo and Messi happens only once in a lifetime

The Messi/Ronaldo debate has its origins from the Barca/Madrid days. I think having a long term club rivalry with two superstars contributes to that. In a similar sense, Arsenal and United’s rivalry strengthened because of Vieira/Keane.

An additional point is that during the early 10s, Spanish football / la Liga was arguably the strongest league, adding to their rivalry.

We’ll see more Ronaldo duplicates than we’ll ever see Messi duplicates. Messi is truly part of a class of Footballers that we don’t see that often perfom at such a high level for a very long time. Ronaldo is a Phenom no doubt about that but Messi is beyond that his vision and understanding of the game goes beyond just scoring goals

I don't know about them being "the new Messi and Ronaldo." I get that they're both elite tier in their positions and easily comparable, but there were several factors that made Messi vs Ronaldo so exciting: 1. Easily #1 reason that made Messi vs Ronaldo exciting was the fact that while they both were extremely productive in terms of goals and direct assists, they also had very different playing styles in order to achieve them. Always interesting to see the results of different styles (Winger/False 9/Central Roaming/playmaking/dribbling vs Winger/Striker/"fox in the box"/tall/extremely athletic). On the other hand, Mbappe and Haaland, while differing somewhat, are at the end of the day both athletic strikers/poaching forwards that drift wide here and there. 2. Messi and Ronaldo played in a club rivalry and not just any, but arguably the most famous club rivalry in FCB vs Real Madrid. PSG vs Man City has never been a historic or even contemporary rivalry. This can, of course, change in the future if Haaland and Mbappe move clubs but for now this is how it stands 3. The overal skill-set of Messi and Ronaldo, so far, haven't been displayed by Haaland and Mbappe. Neither Mbappe nor Haaland have the free kick abilities of Messi/Ronaldo. They also don't have as elite of dribbling ability of Messi/Young Ronaldo (although Mbappe is pretty great on the ball in fast attacking situations to his credit). Neither of them can match Cristiano's overall prime athleticism and neither of them can even touch Messi's playmaking. 4. It doesn't really matter where you stand in Messi vs Ronaldo in terms of who's a better player. There's no denying in terms of pure career achievement, they are both equal. You can easily make the case for either. Comparable # of UCL+league titles, comparable # of national titles, comparable # of individual titles, etc, regardless of who you think was the "better player." We'll have to see if Mbappe vs Haaland will also showcase this back-and-forth winning of collective/individual trophies or if one will win more trophies by a landslide than the other

I feel like Vinicius Jr. is going to have a say in this big time. That guy is phenomenal plus all the pressure and criticism he faced earlier have only made him that much stronger.

The contrast between Messi's Elegance and Ronaldo's Brute force is something that doesn't exist in the Mbappe Haaland discussion because Mbappe gives off pre 2010 Ronaldo vibes while Haaland gives of Post 2016 Ronaldo vibes. Well it hard to copy Messi so it's more like comparing two different versions of CR7

The Mbappe-Haaland rivalry won't be the same as none of them is a dribbler and once the pace fizzles out then there is nothing to go on. TBH Messi is the one because of whom the rivalry existed in the first place for so long. Ronaldo was the only one who could keep up with him. But you can see that Ronaldo fizzed out once he aged. And.. Messi is still doing wonders at 35.

One thing I find hard to match when it comes to Messi and Ronaldo rivalry is their difference in style. Messi likes to construct to himself and his teammates far away from goal, while Ronaldo prefers to have the ball delivered to him when he's close to the goal; Messi favorite way of scoring is by letting the opposing run to the defense while he comes from behind in direction of goal, Ronaldo's is to be close to it, let the opposition gets close to it the goal and then and distance himself from the goal to score; Messi atracts pressure, while Ronaldo get rid of it.... Mbappe and Haaland won't be as interesting as Ronaldo and Messi because they way of playing have many things alike

Another thing that could contribute to the Messi vs Ronaldo debate us the South America Vs Europe. I believe that plays a significant role in the development of their rivalry, but won' be captured in Haaland and Mbappe one

People forget how good Messi was at Haaland/Mbappes age. Haaland is totally different player though and hes just the best at being an out and out finisher that needs a lot of service. Messi could do anything on his own (Creating/Finishing/Setting others up)

Could you please do a video explaining how Messi constantly has high player ratings in every match despite not always scoring/assisting? Would be interesting to see how much he's changed and adapted since he first arrived at PSG

I don't think we will have the same level of rivalry we had for Messi and Cr7. I mean think about it, they competed with each other in biggest club rivalry, personal records and trophies, international stage, such rivalry for 10+ years was a treat for all of us

People don't realise, messi and ronaldo are much more than just goals and assists, they are a team in themselves. Elite professionals. I don't see anyone coming close to them

There will never be another Messi/Ronaldo ever. We were incredibly lucky to witness it.

another unique quality of the Messi-Ronaldo era is that their heritages share a romance language and their countries are football obsessed with championship pedigree (Copa America and Euro Cup), just like France. Norway is still climbing towards football excellence. Haaland is amazing and will go down as the greatest Scandinavian footballer EVER.

As a 20 years Barcelona fan, I have enjoyed watching these 2 GOATS, and I am not that particular type of fan who hypes only Messi, even though I strongly believe that, out of the two of them, Messi is the better GOAT in every way, shape or form ! However, let's not forget that Ronaldo only has a low start of the season. People tend to forget the way he carried United last year! Messi had an under standard season with PSG last year top to bottom! Yes, everyone sung his retirement song last year on all social media platforms, and now he is showing he is not finished yet! Coming back to CR7, if there is one player that can turn this around, that is him! Too much hate on both of these players, and regardless if you are a Barca❤️ fan, or a Madrid fan, or a football fan as matter of fact, we should all be grateful that we were lucky enough to witness the greatness of the 2 giants! I don't believe there is going to be another such duo, with such a hunger for trophies and records. The new wave is prioritizing money over performance ( see Mbappe’s case ), hence the reason why I genuinely believe the new gen won't be anywhere close to Messi or Ronaldo! Let’s enjoy them while they still last because the sunset is near!

Haaland-Mbappe can most certainly be that new rivalry at the top of the game. However, Messi and Ronaldo's scoring numbers and utter domination of the game is likely to be unmatched. There are a lot more players in their early 20s who are closer to Mbappe and Haaland than anyone was to Messi and Ronaldo.

Men rise and fall like the winter wheat, but these names shall NEVER DIE...... Let them say we lived in the time of LM10, let them say we lived in the time of CR7!! 🐐🐐👑

I hope so, if they have the longevity of Messi/Cr7 then we are in for a treat. I never thought we'd ever have anyone on those guys level again, they'll have to keep this form up for years, which is crazy

I think Haaland & Mbappe can break Messi / Ronaldo records, but the thrill of watching them play won't be the same based on their play styles. Messi / Ronaldo were often breathtaking to watch, still to this day.

For me, Mbappe is the new Henry and Haland the new Zlatan. All of these players, including CR7 depend a lot on their physical quality, while Messi is another type of player in my eyes. I dont think we will see another Messi, at least not in the next 50 years or so.

Leave old times to old times we watched the 1st and 2nd (arguably) greatest players battle each other for so long I don’t think it’ll duplicated in the same way for decades.

There will never be another rivalry like this one. Blessed to have lived to see it from beginning to now the end.

There would never be another like the era of Ronaldo and Messi; a rivalry that would stay unmatched for decades.

The thing with CR7 and Messi is they did symbolize a new era for football born at the end of the 2000'. A football with longer careers and more goals and games. What Messi and CR7 did, some players already did it in my opinion : Ronaldo, Van Basten, Maradonna, Platini, Di Baggio, etc. but they were living during eras were careers were shorter. Almost all of them got injured severly during their golden age. To give an example, when Zidane played the 2006 world cup at the age of 34 y.o., people were amazed by his level for his age, it was exceptional for the standards of that time but today, half the superstars have their best years around that age (Benzema, Modric, Lewandowski, etc.). Also, just look at the ranking of strikers. During the 90' and 2000', the best scorers were rarely above 30 goals per year. Today, there are some kids who can reach that mark mid-season. For example, in 2004/2005, the top scorer was Thierry Henry with 30 goals. When Messi beat the record with 73 goals in 2011/2012, there were 11 others players who reach the 30 goals mark. So except if you think that Soldado, Gomis or Nene are better strikers than Thierry Henry, Shevchenko, Etoo or Ronaldo, the most reasonable conclusion is simply that football changed during that period, with more and more goals each year and, in my opinion, a polarisation of it toward the strikers (In 2011, Messi scored 38,5% of Barca's goals while in 2005, Henry only scored 25% of Arsenal's goals).

Messi was pure art the way he dribbled making defenders to do the split, Ronaldo quick feet works and thunderous strikes those were things that brought excitement and made the comparison even more fierce like you could show clips of them to someone who knew nothing about football and they would immediately follow any of the two even without them wanting anything to do with football. Tell me, can someone be persuaded to watch football when you show them Halaand or Mbappe's clips? They are not amazing and they are not just extraordinary like LM10 and CR7.

I hope we get to see a brilliant rivalry in years to come. But whatever happens, this was special.

I do hope tifo will bring back more unheard stories from old days football & more football journalism lile the times before the join the athletic🙏

this sums up perfectly why it can't be repeated again, two different players, different styles, different traits, same achievements and awards, it just defines the game of football

One of the best videos of Tifo! The development of their argument throughout the video was admirable.

Messi represented Barca while Ronaldo represented Madrid, it was much more then just the crazy numbers they put up,the media of arguably the 2 biggest clubs itw was clashing each week on who did it better making the rivalry even more intense with the whole world divided to come and watch the One and Only El Classico, That’s right who remembers when u waited the whole year for El Classico, it was like War ❤ and it held so much significance to the game

These two are the best current generation of football has to offer, sure and have the potential to break scoring records of all time, but that is where the comparison ends. If you play football, you understand, these two dont even come close what Messi is. The close-control dribbling, the passing/playmaking, the footie IQ and most important of all humility. Messi's play is simply beautiful, it's art. On the other hand Ronaldo is a product of hardwork, so if these two put the same amount of effort, they could be like him lol

Good video. I’m kind of hoping those two won’t have a Messi vs Ronaldo rivalry because it was largely exhausting off the pitch with all the media stuff. Just want to see these two guys be brilliant with minimum fuss.

Messi a freaking magician when he dribbles pass defenders, Ronaldo is a freaking game changer when it comes to important games. Both play styles are unchangeable

Really truly grateful we got to see football history be made in the era of Messi and Ronaldo, we may not see it ever again, the media desperately trying to shift things to Erling and Kylian is just a manifestation of their unwillingness to accept the end of a once in a lifetime moment in the history of the great game.

I hope that they are not the same. I want different players to do things that I haven't seen. I don't want to watch the same rivalry again. I don't want a sequel, I want a different rivalry franchise that is unique and excites me with new tricks and goals

I just wanna say Messi is by far the most talented player ever. Goals, assists, free-kicks, dribbling and passing are all comparable to the greats in each department. CR7 is a game decider. Crazy.

Yeah as many of you said, they might reach the numbers but consistency and mentality will be the real challange

Precedence (although with its own context) is an inspiration for comparison but unprecedence inspires appreciation or admiration. I urge football enthusiasts to just enjoy whatever the game offers, era upon era.

Imagine a player with Ronaldo's football mental strength, goal scoring positioning, heading ability, prime Ronaldos shooting, and prime Messi's dribbling, passing, and Messi's tenacity and resilience on ball. That player would be the G.O.A.T. Thank God there is no one like that, that would be a myth.

This rare context was also present on the commercial pitch were they both represented companies that like to place themselves as great competitors in this market. Plus they strangely sponsored the other's club... This is nowhere near as important as the existing rivalry between both clubs and (the cultural rivalries that are at it's core). But it really did participate in this "rare context" that will probably not happen soon...

1. Longevity: Staying injury free and in top class shape for close to 15 years is extremely difficult and requires monumental amount of will power and work ethic. 2. Scoring nearly 50 goals season after season is very difficult and does not happen often in an entire generation. Although the goal rate of both Haaland and Mbappe is mesmerising, but to stay in that form for 15 years will be insanely challenging.

They are both exceptional generation talents from their respective countries and in the world of football. I highly doubt they will ever reach or eclipse the stats of Messi and Ronaldo. They both have seemed to come up during a time when both legends are flailing and beginning to age...and the world of football loves it's narratives. For us fans though it's always fun to see parallels and opposing forces go at it against each other, like Goku vs Vegeta.

Still Messi and Ronaldo were good at more than just scoring goals, you can't compare the passing, dribbling and free kicks from Messi and Ronaldo to that of Haaland and Mbappe. It's just another level

Ronaldo and Messi were amazing all across the front line, these 2 are brilliant in their 2 main positions but havnt shown the all around game yet.

I dont believe so because messi now even when hes old is doing more magic than mbappe is doing in the world cup… Imagine if they were the same age right now, wouldnt even be close

I can guarantee there won't be another Messi for a while. How can you be the best dribbler, goalscorer and playmaker?

Hopefully they can surpass them. Every football fans want to see continous improvement in the game of football

It's no coincidence the top 3 European goalscorers of all time are all currently still playing. 30 years from now there'll be a good handful of players with over 100 CL goals. Yes, Messi and Ronaldo are greats, but this is also down to changes in the modern game and the prestige of the competition. Haaland and Mbappe are well on course to 125+ goals even if they retire at 31.

Man, this channel is just awesome 🔥

U can always find strong and fast players who can score alot of goals. But u can't find a man who can everything. Messi can control the game. He can assist. He can score. His intelligence is unmatched . His technical ability is second to none. He can do things no other player has ever done. Things that u can't copy that's how good Messi actually is .

Maybe Next Ronaldo,But bruh,they aren’t even as good as a single nail of Messi’s left foot .Messi keeps both of them in his pocket. I see great potential upcoming talents but not enough to be as good as Messi 🐐

I don't think so. All are great players. But IMO one of the things that has always set Messi and Ronaldo apart is how fair they play on the pitch. Very rare that either one of them behaves in an un-sportsmanlike manner. I also have to admire their concentration, and focus. I've seen Haaland and Mbappe in many games; and seen them do things that I have never seen Messi/Ronaldo do. There is some intangible, that we as fans can only surmise. But it's a feeling. Lewandowski broke all kinds of records at Bayern, but the fanbase didn't warm, to him. My point is, that in order to go down as a truly great, you also have to be loved.

Haaland i could see 10 years down the line doing great if injury free of course. He also seems to be doing amazing so far in arguably a tougher league which can help him become no1. Mbappe in Ligue 1 might not be looked at in the same light. With CR7 and Messi they fought in the same league which helped.

Messi and Ronaldo being elite at the same time is a once in a lifetime occurrence. That's why many of us soaked it up as much as we could, because it's not forever.

At this moment, Haaland looks miles ahead of Mbappe. And to outshine him, Mbappe would have to let go of his ego, sooner than later.

I think for how great bouth Mbappe and Haaland is, for this to even be a conversation is that they have to be up there for at another 10 years.

Tifo’s best work.

Guess that they need to go to Barca and Madrid, or Haaland stay at City with Mbappe in United. It is really the rivalry between the players due to their clubs rivalry that put so much focus on them.

Putting playstyles and context aside, I think it's fair to say both Messi and Ronaldo were consummate professionals that had a massive winning drive and a mature stance towards their profession. Mbappe on the other hand seems to be more of a primadonna social media influencer, which will probably be the main obstacle to a similar rivalry occurring, as he won't be supported as a person by anyone aside from teenagers who think bad manners are cool.

After 10 or more seasons if they are still performing at the same level definitely, players like zlatan, cavani, suarez are great players, but the records are unbelievable for messi and ronaldo, so it's too early to compare i think

Its like how xavi and iniesta don’t come into the Gerrard vs Lampard vs Scholes debate. You are absolutely right - context, i.e. some continuous and historically-fuelled competition between their clubs, is what makes us draw comparisons.

It’ll be the next football rivalry but no there will never be another Messi, he’s alone at the top

i think we all remember messi vs ronaldo not just as a rivalry but more of the amount of tension the drama and the presence of skill and gameplay they created by their performance match by match and the emotional/sentiment they created for fans just to win a game of el clasico . the matches between those rival teams are not just a end product of win or loss but it made fans alter their thoughts and mood in every minute the game goes on. WE ARE NOT GOING TO FEEL THAT AMOUNT OF PASSION FROM FANS TO WIN A GAME EVEN IF MBAPPE AND HAALAND JOINS rival teams.

Ronaldo and Messi are a class of their own they have shattered records not only that but their consistently gave Max output every season for over 10 years, these two young lads cannot fit I the same shoes as Ronaldo and Messi

I feel blessed to have been able to live out this rivalry. The fact that 2 once in a generation players were in the same league playing for clubs with a bitter hatred for eachother is literally the stuff of movies..

Mbappe-Haaland isn't at all a direct rivalry like Messi-Ronaldo because they're not competing in the same league. Messi and Ronaldo are on the Mount Rushmore of football with Pele and Maradona. To have two greats in the same era is like Federer-Nadal in tennis. It's extremely rare and should be appreciated.

Crazy to think the rivalry would have been settled on 2013, if it weren’t for Jupp and Jurgen. I remember all of my friends saying Barça was going to trash Bayern, but I couldn’t believe my eyes when even Madrid was knocked out. Even more crazy to think Ribery lost Ballon D’Or that year…

I'm a Messi fan but I will cry when both him and Ronaldo retire! What a glorious time it was!!!

Messia and CR7 are unique, we'll never see something like this for a century

Haalands playstyle reflects Lewandoski and Mbappe looks like Ronaldo. Messi is just messi.

The thing about halland and mbappe is that its their numbers that surprise us and not the way they play, none of them comes close to messi playmaking, shooting, dribling etc etc. Their strikers in teams worth billions that play for them.

I don't think so. As soon as I saw Messi and Ronaldo at 18 y/o, they already seemed like they were different galaxies. These two kiddos are good goalscorers

It must be noted how much more difficult it is in the premier league, especially more recently. Tallying up substantial goals in France is far less challenging than in England. Even the stats Ronaldo and Messi conjured are contextually less difficult then if Haaland completes his career in England.

PSG only willing to let Mbappe go for Liverpool ( only if they could afford him ), So Man City vs Liverpool will be the arena for them to battle it out. OR both of them go to La Liga forming the new El Clasico rivalry

Maybe the new Ronaldo but Messi is someone that we are once in a lifetime

What differentiates Messi from the other 3 is that he's also a 10 while being a goalscorer while the other 3 are pure forwards. Btw, Messi and Ronaldo were in the El Classico. Haaland and Mbappe would be in the Al Classico or Oil Derby, whichever you wanna call it.

Let's wait 15 more years of top level performance and consistency from these young players than we can decide.

4:11, can you tell me how you did that halftone effect with texture?

I think Haaland is more like Zlatan and Mbappe more like Henry

The funny thing is that both Mbappé and Haaland are both Ronaldo fans and although they have different atributes, both are more a like with Cristiano Ronaldo than Messi.

The only way Haaland and Mbappe would be rivals is that both teams meet every year in the Champions League final, or at the very least, semi-final and they play a big part in it, scoring in those matches. This would be rather improbable as there are other stronger contenders such as Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, possibly Napoli and other dark horses eliminating them.

One of the reasons that i feel why there will not be a messi ronaldo rivalry is because both of them played during the time when online criticism wasn't at the level that it is today.

What if Haaland and Mbappe don't want to be the next Messi or Ronaldo and just want to be themselves? Let players establish their own legacy.

Haaland is probably the closest to those 2 in my opinion especially if he can keep his goal rate at this current level. Mbappe seems to be losing his way a bit after PSG lost the plot and gave him a ridiculous contract and his relationships seem to be soured.

bc of rivalry in the same league they become more greater than anyone else..

Many variables for this to happen. IF neither one of them ever get injured. IF they both end up, at some point while in their primes, at the same top European League. IF both of them can keep playing for over 10 years at a high form. IF, Tifo, IF!!

They could come close but I feel this generation of young Brazilian players can disrupt their Balon d'or run(s). mbappe will do great both Club and international Haaland will be more a club player seeing that outside odeegard he has no help for Norway and UEFA is to competitive .

I think the rivalry between messi and ronaldo elelvated when they played for barca and real madrid respectively. I don't think we will see such sinilary rivalry between those two until and unless mbappe joins man united, or both join some other rival clubs

nice explaination

The real rivalry will be: Vincius vs Lamine Yamal - Real Madrid vs Barcelona -Vinicius is a little older, just like ronaldo was older than Messi -Both are essential to their teams (Lamine Yamal in 1/2 years) -Both have won LaLiga with their clubs, and meet at least 2 times in a season -They already have a strong rivalry (El Classico) -They both play on the wing, just like Messi and Ronaldo -Vinicius has been called the next Ronaldo and has gotten nr. 7 / Lamine Yamal has also been called the next Messi, and has the same physical traits Conclusion: The next Ronaldo and Messi are most likely Vinicius Jr. and Lamine Yamal. But Messi and Ronaldo will never be replaced or forgotten