I wish we could have separate categories when it comes to HipHop. Spitters and mumble rappers shouldn't be compared.

I'm 22 and 100% Agree that Hiphop needs to Return!!! 2022

Nas dropped Illmatic at 18-19, it’s about STANDARDS

I'M OLD SCHOOL FOR LIFE, I'M AN 80'S BABY AND THE 90'S RAISED ME. 💯 I MAY BE AN "OLD HEAD" TO SOME, BUT I'M PROUD OF MY ERA OF MUSIC, MOVIES AND STYLE. 💯

The problem is that anyone can be a rapper now. So it's turned from the nicest niggas getting deals to anyone with fruity loops and a mic can make music and get popping. That's the issue. The consumer has always gone by what the main stream radio plays. So when you're getting trash music 24/7 with a catchy 808 beat that every producer is using then they're going to consume it. Lil Nas X and Doja Cat were meme troll artists that are now legitimate pop stars. That tells you the level of talent that's getting over in todays landscape.

I have a real question, when it's said "Let's bring Hiphop back" does that mean let's bring originality back to the game or let's bring NYC boom bap back? and ppl pattern there flows, cadence everything based off how it use to be? cause there is alot of dope music out besides the mumble melody drill rap.. you just have to tap into those areas, regions and markets to find that music cause it's not being pushed to the masses either for BPM reasons, subject matter etc

Just because you can rap doesn’t mean your music is good. You need to know how to write songs. You need to have records for the street and records women will like if you want to bring that vibe back

Rap was never a young man's game. The founders of Hip Hop weren't young kids. It's about quality. Standards exist for a reason.

I feel as though I’m the only rapper in my city Cleveland, Ohio that’s keeping real hip hop alive and I get hated for it.

Industry too saturated. Talents hard to find when everybody sounds like everybody. Anybody who tries to rap wit purpose logic or knowledge in this day and age gets clowned on and called Corny. Rap is young mans sport. Hip-Hop is a grown mans game. Think about that.

"Hip hop" is constantly looking at the next thing..... Newcomers like lil xan and lil pump aren't even the hot thing anymore. BUT... certain artists who display "real talent" can hang around for a decade (or two). The cream always rise to the top.

HIPHOP HAS NO AGE - ITS A CULTURE!

Can older guys still rap? I think everyone thinks hip hop is for young people. That's why we hear so many young perspectives. There's a 40 year old rapper somewhere that hasn't made it yet. If we open that door for older rappers I think it could change hip hop for the best

New rappers have no choice but to be trash because most aren’t artists looking to be heard- they just Nggas wanting to be paid. It’s rushed. It’s copy + pasted. It’s Phony. It’s trash.

Salute MATH Hip Hop is a reflection of the society from the gatekeepers to the rapper on the corners Show me tour Culture and ill show you your Art

Hip hop should return, new rappers need to develop their sound

Without watching the video, YES, THE ART HAS DIGRESSED...PEACE & LOVE

Music has changed but nobody talks about how dope the production is and what a great job the producer's are doing now!!!

Great conversation

Hip hop needs to return 💯

Yoo!! I clicked soon as I seen the notification!! I wholeheartedly agree that Hip Hop should return. I’m 39 turning 40 in Sept, so I grew up on “real rap” rap now a days is really commercialized and a facade so to speak. For me it has no substance. Where has the true loved infused w/art in rap/hip hop gone?

Social media ruined it

There’s plenty of younger niggas that’s keeping hip hop alive like Jid, Mick Jenkins, Flatbush Zombies, Joey badass, Isaiah Rashad and more

The problem with these new artists is no one wants to stick out anymore. Everyone wants to look the same, dress the same, and sound the same etc. There is no more creativity

Thanks!

My age and taste set in but some of my faves are still recording, producing and doing it well. I can still listen to their catalogs. Now I even have some current artists on my playlist, like J Cole and others that created music that I actually appreciate. I almost threw the baby out with the bath water but that was on me. Thanks for the post. 😎

Nice topic guys💯👍

When my man said, "We have standards...", I felt that

When we had control of rap. We don't control it now. If the label is telling them what to say you're not a rapper you're a worker

Rappers gotta step up bars and rap with integrity, study the greats and be ok with individuality, rappers need 2 love the culture again and not just be in it for money, and the fans need to hold people to higher standards

The culture part of hip hop left a long time ago

History Repeats Itself ...Esso be on point #HOFFAGANG

When people have these type of conversations its just the nice way of saying "we don't like southern music"

“Artist Development” used to Be huge

Generally speaking every generation thinks their music is better than past generations.

IT'S HOFFA!!!!!

In my opinion, it's a balance between production and lyrics holding the spotlight. The production now is on another level because of the technology available.

Majority of music nowadays sucks so bad, I haven't bought any new music in almost 20 years. I wanna throw my radio out of the window. Lol! 💯 Everyone & Everything Looks & Sounds The Same. I came from the era of hip hop and r&b where diveristy was abundant. Nowadays, the climate of music is straight up GARBAGE. 💯 The 80's, 90's & Early 2000's Hip Hop Isn't Trash, Today's Hip Hop Is Garbage. 💯

We’re the only genre of music that dates our artist and then throw them away!!! No other genre of music does that!! The damn Rolling Stones who are in their 70’s still get love from old and young. They actually still sell out stadiums to this day.

Close-minded oldheads being close-minded oldheads for 8 minutes

Damn Hoffa you get me with that gun shot at the end ever time🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I can't be the only one throughout high school and college inside the computer room blastin DJ Clue's mixtapes on datpiff lol.

We already have this. Its HipHop vs Rap.

Hip Hop never left. I’m Hip Hop. Hip Hop is in you.

Yes I been said this Why TF is rap not separated from hip hop why is it together let’s separate actual lyrics

They always said that Rap was for young men because Rap Music itself was young and started by the youth.

Wiz Khalifa was the best New School Rapper in the early 2010s to 2015 he did true classics

I think they need guidance in their lyrical content but truth be told they figured out the game It was always those rappers that was successful with niches and gimmicks They figured out the game

Easy E said "Ice Cube writes the rhymes that I say..." 8 Ball (Remix) circa 1989 from the album Straight Outta Compton.

Hoffa Gang

Calling new rappers trash is an insult to trash. The reality is that, that is what the new dudes young dudes like and RIP REAL RAP and the 90’s NYC STREET sound which was rap in its truest form have been dead for DECADES and it’s not coming back.

I watched all these DJ Clue clips and they have yet to stay on the subject!! come on bruh!!!

Hip hop was always about telling a story, sending a message. That is gone today.

I ain't know clue made beats....nice!

Yo that clue don damarco mixtape was classic. It had a acapella track on there with the gap band. It was called make it alright or something like that. Til this day i love that song. Can't find that mixtape nowhere tho.

Being 30, I remember when it was a lot of different styles, good and bad. Production was key as well tho back in the day. Yea we have some new great producers but the quality isn’t there completely for most artist now. It’s more rappers than lyricist out there. The top dogs in the game can actually rap, to the young kids they think the “Lil’s” are the greats it’s all opinion base, but the top top guys are legacy acts now. Even Drake might not be a top lyricist out there but overall complete artist he’s up there as well.

Hey fellow runaway slave your a new rapper to me ,even though you are old school ,I think your bars are dope . You cannot generalize and say new= bad. IMO. Keep up the message. Your barbershop is becoming well known. Hope you franchise one day. Keep em comin.

Fundamentals are mandatory

In history: Eazy E said "Ice Cube writes the rhymes that I say. Hail to the brothers from C.I.A". C.I.A. was Cube's group before N.W.A. Song: 8-Ball (NWA) 1987

Music is timeless 💯

KRINO is holding Hiphop up in Houston. HipHop is thriving out here. New York & Houston should link up like Naz ft Scarface. Back in the day’s. Bring HipHop back. Immortal technique is still dropping Fire. We need classic hits back. (Death to mumble Rap!)

My interpretation on popular artist in the culture that I’m familiar with. Great musicians being substance, delivery, song structure.(active): Kendrick, drake, Kanye, jay z, snoop dogg, nicki Minaj, J. Cole, Chris brown, Rihanna, Bruno mars, usher New school Talented artist that have range and can be potential superstars if not already: lil baby, drake, nipsey hussle(RIP), roddy rich , dababy, future, gunna, young thug. Lil Uzi vert, nicki Minaj, j.cole, Chris brown, Rihanna, Tory lanes, Meg the stallion, Artist who are great with recycling their flow, cadence, and delivery and making jingles(nursery rhyming w songs that last for the moment): Lil durk, money bag yo, est gee, Pooh shiesty, lil Uzi vert, nba youngboy, lil baby, future, g herbo, 21 savage, young thug, gunna, migos, cardi b, Meg the stallion, lil t jay, fivio,

The thing is that theres plenty of talented rappers out there that pick dope beats have bars and are dope song makers but it seems like a lot of people focus on popularity instead of talent so if your popular your hitting on all levels doesn’t mater how your music sound if it’s a vibe somewhere and good marketing will get you over the key word is talent

That Ice reflection on homie face is crazy

A young man's sport but they have lil kid bars

Yup

There should be some kind of new copyright system set up for the artist/ producer to be more in control of sales of there own material. If these streaming companies can’t give you what u want up front, don’t stream my shit or u will be sued. These companies are making so much money off of subscribers and the artists not making shit! There has to be a new idea created for an artist to stream their own shit and be in control of their own destiny.🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️

Still bumpin summertime shootouts! CLUE!!!!

Problems is no cd or tapes for car to play in ride need company to make albums on USB .

Wow Math Hoffa the charlie clips diss. Shady 😂

Math called Charlie Splish splash 😂☠️😂☠️😂 in they battle

Math didn't want to say "go watch Hollow v Clips". That changed the way everyone looked at Charlie

Rappers’ talent is primarily in the writing; singers’ talent is in the vocals- they do not need to know how to write!

Marh vs Clips is a legendary battle

MATH GOIN SUPER RHETORICAL ON YALL....these ain't even questions. LOL

history always repeats

Of course

Yes .

Everyone now just be like throw alot of bass on my song so nobody can hear my wack lyrics.

hip hop will return the top of the year 2023 🔥🔥🔥🔥 I GOT YALL BE ON THE LOOK OUT MEGA MILZ FROM PITTSBURGH REMEMBER THAT NAME

Hip hop is alive and kicking, the demographic changed, change with it.

I don’t mess with clue cuz we almost put hands on him at La marina lol but dope interview math! 🔥💯✍🏽

First off, people need to understand that the audience that listens to the type of "hip-hop" these guys are talking about is in their 40s to mid or late 60s. That's why the big stars and "rap/hip-hop" music that has that push or is heard on media outlets is not that. Most of the people still listening and spending money on "rap/hip-hop" music and media is the age group (late teens- early 40s) who listens to what's currently being put out there. Take Method man and Redman for example; still super nice on tracks and puts out timeless music, but their subject matter and maturity of what their speaking on doesn't resignate with the youth outside of the Northeast United States like a Lil baby or NBA Youngboy would. And honestly, the audience who spends their money on it now is not a subject matter and maturity audience. They're an party, gang bang, hype, clout, who's the baddest type of audience, and most of them are on the outside looking in with no idea of how any of the street situations are until their in them. I grew up in the early 90s and love the music of that Era. East and West had a lock on the game then because the majors had the choice of what the public heard. Even the underground had its own mix major DJs like Clue, Do wop, S×S, Juice, Ron G, ect....and if you wasnt being played in any of those circuits, you was only heard in your region. These cats now are utilizing the best of the internet and skipping the old way breaking music was done back then and it doesn't matter where their from now. Lot of goofy shit out here now too though, but you gotta think, the doors was not open for most of the goofy music that people complain about now. They made those doors on their own so they don't owe anyone anything nor will they just be shut out or down by anyone. Especially now that their music is in higher demand than ever. And let's be honest, all of the sneak dissing and little behind the back chatter that most of these young guys hear from the older dudes conversations doesnt help. It really only pushes them harder at being who they are because they know they have your attention now when they were just looking for that in the first place from the elders of the game. Majors just follow trends and love what's happening now as well because it gives them room to push other agendas harder on the youth of minority societies. Things like gay/lesbian sexual orientation and lack of self knowledge/history are big issues that are being either swept under the rug and not addressed correctly. It's so much more to this, but I've said enough here already, lol. But one more thing, these kids making the music don't care about Dr Dre or people from his Era anymore. They figure they don't need his or people like that input or help now because their doing it on their own and simply because the way the game is going and how easy it is for a lot them to get quick money, but not looking at the longevity side of things as much. I myself grew up on Rap-A-Lot and the old school Dungeon Family (Outkast, Goodie Mob, ect) a little more than east and west because I'm from the south, but listened to all. The south never really picked sides in my opinion, just liked good music!! Gone💯✌🏾

The beauty of it all is being able to hear something new from something old. G Unit was good at taking a song and rapping about something totally different but still 🔥 especially Banks. I love when I hear something AABA and come up with something altered from that format. Hip Hop coming back lol

There are talented young rappers that actually about the craft and want to advance cue it and be great. But there is no barrier to entry anymore, most don’t care about the craft and culture and no-effort trash is profitable. Make it hard to find the good stuff. Back in the day, Kane and Rakim were king because the audience picked its stars and criteria was based on who was best

Set up punch line set up pinch line - "Charlie Clip's"

Yes and yes

haha Clue trying to be politcally correct, answering his question like a politician cause he still wants that bag

Thers more Hip-Hop now than ever before. Thers something for everyone.

As a person who love the art form, adlibs is harder than ppl think lol. I can come up with clever wordplay and punchlines but adlibs isn't my thing. We need to bring back lyrically stardom

I agree with Hoffa! Clue battle rappers can make a album. Some of them 🤞🏽🤷🏽

Hip hop never left Math.....

I noticed Dj Clues mannerisms... He knows a lot and its like he doesnt want to keep goin on about it.

Bring it back

Clue was being real💯🤷🏾‍♂️

Snoop said it many years ago on Ego Trippin that his friend and people he respected wrote songs for him. I know you guys are looking at the top of the charts but this has been said by a Legend but people act like he didn't say it. Keep Grindin Math I'm can't wait to hear your music on the airwaves Nationally.

There’s already subgenres and subcultures within rap, a lot of them just don’t got a name and are just jumbled into hip hop/rap. “Mumble rap” “boom bap” “trap drill” is just some of the examples. So when they say we should bring hip hop back, I’m thinking about the old school chopped up samples that used to be the wave. I wish that could come back, considering that would bring more individuality and creativeness, but this current generation is just on them faster beats, they don’t wanna slow it down

clue is so calm

Damn I thought homie in the pink was Uzi lol

@3:45 DJ Clue still getting spooked by The Game in 2022