It's hilarious to see comments that are clear they didn't watch the video. SRSLY though, watch the whole thing.

2 things: 1. Nostalgia is a hell of a drug. 2. A lot of ppl who enjoy loud bass or loud anything probably had better hearing 20+ years ago than they do today.

These videos help me unwind after a long day at work. They are informative as well as entertaining. Keep up the good work my good man.

That Kicker came out of an old Kicker SubStation.

I love hanging on to old speakers. They're like trophies of hard work

I like old subs because of how they sound. Im 38 and back the late 90's I had 2 15 JL W6s on a RF 1500 amp and those things hit hard and sounded amazing.

I had an old kicker from 2007 that I really liked. It was the cvx 15that had the 20hz fs. Even though logic tells me that it was not as good as what I have now, memory still tells me that that thing sounded amazing and did 9 million db.

Great vid , I'm diehard old school which is why I'm still running Eclipse titanium SW9122 from 2004 and I knew those would be the last subs I'd ever buy Same with vehicles , if I cant work on it I dont want it , ESPECIALLY today's garb

I really love you videos sir!! Thank you for taking your time to make them. People like myself sure appreciate it... Im an old head myself. Love all audio. All audio lives matter!!!!

You: are old subs better than new one's Me: don't make me regret loosing my old EVs and JL audio's

Awesome, glad to see your back at the tech stuff tues. Liked and commented.

9 million DB 😂 that made me laugh out loud lol.

Yo thank you man watching this made me relax for some reason

Really dig how technical you get bro, keep on keeping on!

This is a great video can’t wait to see part 2

I was just talking about this today. The evolution of car audio is mind blowing.

the fact they still exist and working is a win, in and of itself lol

I was visiting family in Abbeville Louisiana as I did every summer. I want to say 1991, I bought two new thump eight's for $40 bucks, and the guy did door delivery. He sold them through a classified paper. I still have them mounted in 12" PVC pipe, isoberic push-pull ported.

So much has changed over the last 20 years. Subs and amps have evolved along side each other, as power has gotten cheaper subs have evolved to handle the power and we don't need subs to be as efficient.

Love tech stuff Tuesday, thanks!

Already knew the answer, but couldn’t pass up tech stuff Tuesday!

I think I know why people feel older subs were louder than modern subs.. Lets see if I can word this so that it makes sense.. The first time we heard a loud bass system it was in comparison to all that we had heard previously.. which was stock speakers so the experience we recall was exceptional whereas years or decades later after hearing waay more car audio sound systems, we become less easily as impressed as we were back during our first few bass systems. What people remember most is HOW THEY FELT during previous experiences.

I remember feeling a truck build at a car show with Hollywood Sound Labs 10" tube speakers. It was essentially a bed install with a hole cut behind the seat to face the cones forward. This was around late 1990's or very early 2000's? It was said that they were powered by 100 watts. (25 watts each, essentially) And that truck hurt your guts it hit so hard!

Would love to hear some of those old 8's vs a skar ix 8. It is entry line and only 40$ brand new and a low power handling sub. I love most all subs. I have had several old school subs from jl wo 10s and 12s to hifonics 18's and cerwin vega's. I grew up on old school audio that is why I love this new tech and how cheap amps are nowa days. I mean a couple thousand watts now is chump change compared to the old school days!!

Remember the Polk momos? Haha. I found an old ad for circuit city stuffed in to a different old magazine and it was like going back in time. Love getting back in to car audio and seeing how much has changed! Thanks for the vids.

People always tend to remember things to be way better or way worse than they really were. I'm almost 40 now, in the early 2000's, I was getting upset that things just didnt seem to be getting a lot better in car audio. I've commented before on how I just got back into car audio, I would have never thought to go with 8's before but here I am, buying SD X8s lol. Thank you for all the information you put out there, its really helped me get a good grasp on car audio and I've learned a lot.

Rockford power hx2 still puts a lot new subs to shame!

Keep doing vids like this I love it 🦍🎯

I can't wait for part 2!

I miss my 8" MTX Terminator subs. Those things were amazing.

I had some old school audiovox 10's back in the day. I've spent hours looking for them on the internet. I don't think there is any survivors left.

Someone has got to pull out some superblues

Year of science in technology have changed the game good work in explaining time.

Nice fellow old timer. I bought my first sub from circuit city in 1998 at age 16. A 10” MTX blue thunder extreme in a sealed box. I loved that sub. It took a beating. Gathering stuff for a build in my vw atm. Between your lowballer and an American bass xr 12”. My sub amp is a d4s jp8.

The shop I worked at in 2001 we had a van with six Rockford Fosgate Power DVC's and three 1100a2's. My car I had the Rockford Fosgate HX2's on a Autotek SX 1200D. I hit a 149.8 in the old school style drag racing. Great video

I feel like my old Rockford Punches (Punch DVC Limited Editions) hit much harder and sounded better at 300w RMS than my new P3's at 900w RMS...

Another great video. Can't wait to see you test 'em tomorrow.

Damm u... I was proud of my 153 back in 97...lol ran hcca 225 on 4 15 inch hifonics olympians..in a trunk!!!..lol good to know tho..great vid buddy

Sounding better and being louder are two completely different things. But I like the old school gear and the presentation here.

Love these videos

I remember the older subs being more sensitive and not needing 10 million watts to be "loud"..

Exactly what I was looking for. Just getting back into car audio after a 20 year hiatus, putting a system in my SUV, and so much has changed. I was wondering how modern subs stack up against old school... trying to figure out how much junk I need in my trunk.... Thank you.

the nostalgia is real

Used to have a JL Audio 15W3 sub in a slot-ported box built like a tank back in the early 2000's. Bought a amp from a stereo shop going out of business, some called an Aura MR4150q. Same company that sold those bass shaker things. I believe the sub was rated for 350 watts RMS and the amp said it would put out 375 watts bridged on 2 of the channels out of 4. I used the other 2 channels to power a couple of 6x9's and put those up on top of the box. I crammed all of this into a little Nissan Xtented cab truck, the sub sat right in the middle and the port was right behind my seat. That was pretty damn loud. That being said, my PSA S7201 frightens me. I'd like to cram that thing in a little truck and send 4000 watts to it. Stuff today blows the hell out of stuff back in the day, this sub can literally wreck my damn house.

And where's the Funkypup for comparison? O wait there's nothing comparable to mighty Funkypup!

Dude love those old speakers!!!!

I see an old exite 8 back there I still have 4 of those 10 inch version.

Thanks for the video. I have used 8” subs since the early 90’s starting with the o.g. Pyle drivers with the flat back on the magnets. I predict the pyle will be a let down since I had to go to G&S Redline 8s back then because Pyle drivers went down in sound quality soon after. It would be interesting to see how an early JL Audio 8 like the W1s that I have would compare.

I have two of those Kicker 8", I think they are early to mid 1980s. Bought them on eBay as new old stock and they shipped to me with the dust caps fallen off, but there, I glued them back on. Also have two well used freeair 8" with the square Kicker symbol. have two 15" freeair 8ohm subs like new in Fusion boxes and two 10" Kicker XPLs single coil with cast aluminum baskets in sealed truck boxes.

Love your fuckin info. The knowledge you throw out their piece by piece is beautiful!!!

My Rockford fosgate series 1 had massive excursion and I wish I had kept it.

One of the "old school" subs that always sticks out in my mind is the MMATS - Juggernought from around the year 2001 or so, also the Adire Audio - Brahma. Back in that era, I had a couple of 12" Pioneer IMPPs with the diamonds molded into the cone/dustcap and I swear they were louder in a sealed box with 300 RMS than my 10" American Bass XFL in a ported box with 1700 RMS is now. Even so, it doesn't really matter too much to me, I just enjoy the look on my son's face when he hears my current setup! :)

Wow, I had one if them Pyle's and had a set of purple urban audio 8s and they sounded awesome my pap had them and a 600 watt urban amp in a s10 and I loved listening to that thing ,he gave them to me and I had them on a house recover and loved them things

"all the modern sensors read lower than old ones" that was my thought the entire time. i understand the nostalgia entirely, but back in the day getting 140 was an accomplishment that seems to be rather mundane today. numbers just don't lie. sadly, while most things where better in the 80's - 90's, speakers just weren't. you can't even argue manufacturing quality really. by the mid to late 80's cheap foreign manufacturing was already a thing with the handful of stragglers left alive caving to it in the 90's.

Been patiently waiting for this lol.. once again as I always say you are a genius at marketing 🤣🤣🤣!!!!! I have had subs from every era since the late 90’s and for people to say technology and quality hasn’t got better they need to upgrade their system lol.. i now have 2 Sundown X18v2’s and put them beside a Lanzar Heritage 12 rated for 1000w rms it is down right hilarious the size and built comparison. Even next to my Rockford T2 15’s the ones with the aluminum silver dust cap and red plastic cone and stupid ass basket/motor cover! 🤣🤣 I would love a set of them Emagerd 18’s or Yolo musicals but the pocket book won’t allow for it just yet.

It sounds like you said electronics today are less expensive and better made than 20 years ago and you get what you pay for. Well, no durrrr :P Great video. Eagerly awaiting part 2!

The mic meter thing makes sense, my old hatch in high school hit 142db, now I swear my car is louder these days but the shops term lab said 133 135db.

I had a pair of Orion dvc 8s. They were purchased for about 60 bucks a piece. That was in 94. They pounded in a 7th order box. I wish I still had them.

New subs are WAAAAYYYY better. Those old speakers do bring back memories, especially the kicker comp c-12....unless its an F-12. Remember kicker had different subs of the same thing for sealed or ported?

I was told that you are the most knowledgeable person when it comes to subwoofer design by Scott. Salute to you. And cannot wait to see his CRX run.

Still have my rockford hx2 12"s from back in the day 🔊🔊🔊

back in the early 2000's i had 2 ppi pro 10's in a sealed box powered by a ppi pc2600 and i've been chasing that sound quality ever since the day they were stolen.

My old Memphis 12's and Rockford Fosgate 15's use to hit wayyyy harder than anything else I ever had

I've had a couple of Polk audio db12 dvc subs first one was $150/200 from crutchfield back 13+ or so years ago so it's n oldie, but it got damaged n tossed and a couple years ago I see the same sub on Sonic electronix for $60 so I snatched it up because I liked the other one and I can say it had been a decent sub good bass, I'm pleased with it it has good sound and thumps fairly good with 200e rms in a 2.25+/-cft rectangle ported box, right enclosure I dunno works. good

Ok old bass head here lol i had 4 12" Rockford series 1s and 5 coustic 360 amps one each per sub and one for 2 6x9s and2 5 1/4s mtx 3 way crossover and a alpine cd. All in a mid 80s capri i can't remember the db but i did a lot of db drags. And actually won a few lol

I have had my infinity 12 inch subs single voice coil and ive put a alpine mvr1570 they are from 92 if i remeber right and they take all of 1500 watts and they came off the basket so i took poli glue for glass an glued them back on and they still rock

The kicker is a 1990 model year if I remember correctly. I had two of the same model but they were the 15” version.

Omg the Pyle and kicker

my pye are from the 70s and since 1999 have live a hard life of music and still are mint

I have one of the excite 15" I found it in the trash when I was about 13 years old

On limited power though, say 150-200W RMS, would the older subs will be louder than the modern ones? (Allowing for large enough enclosures to make use of sensitivity, that is).

I have 11 orion 2nt 12's and 4 of the 2nt 15's. These are my favorite subs of all time. I need to do a comparison with them.

Yes..it would be nice if you also included some of today's entry level and budget subs into the mix. But..this is a great video! I have been into car audio for 30yrs..and the subs just were not that good back in the days!

I got some old MTX road thunder 2 10” they kick ass for being almost thirty years old

that Kicker looks like it came from one of their pre-built enclosures, based on the motor

9:30 "but wait there's more". Famous quote from the movie Scream.

that kicker is out of one of the boxes they sold

I have a 93 crewin Vega 15 I just put in my truck on 400 watt the other day a friend gave me from his home entertainment system, and that thing still shake my truck like crazy

How about amplifiers? Curious to see if the 'cheaters' would stack up against the amps today! There is an inconsistency with older subs compared to new ones. The old high end can never compete with new high end...but in SQ applications the difference aren't much. In fact they say you won't need a newer sub to compete in that type of competition. For example, the good ol Cerwin-Vega(!) Stroker subs. They have been around since the 70s, yet they are still one of the baddest subs when it came to the 90s where it hit car audio. But now, you can get low and loud with less than half of the $$$ you had to spend. The reason that I want to point out on this is the fact there are not much brands in the market at the old school times, and people won't mess with the cheap stuff because of the money spent(It is better to spend more that lasts). Add the fact that nowadays brands had came to age and are considered higher on the tier lists. Brands like RF are no longer holding that spot because of cheaper, better, easier alternatives because of that. Back at that time, metal processing and materials is nowhere near the stuff we have today; manufacturing them would take time and tons of money, and would not sell well. Now, considering the competition have similar stuff, probably from same factories.

But your comparing old school entry level subs to a not so entry level modern sub

This video has more commercials than I’ve ever seen on KZfaq.

I'm not sue many people think sensitivity scales evenly across different speaker models. On a 1 watt system, the most sensitive sub will be the loudest. Older systems were not as likely to play as low and the higher frequency bass is more detectable to the human ear and a louder modern sub that is playing on a lower frequency at the same volume will sound quieter. It is the perception that counts, not what "should" sound louder.

Also, another question in regards to sensitivity... when modelling, on modern subwoofers optimized for smaller boxes (low QTS, high BL) I notice a very sharp resonance at tuning as expected when placed in a larger enclosure. What is interesting though is that there is a midrange SPL droop between this resonance before recovering again around 70--100Hz (looks like a "ski slope"). I am assuming there is strong electromechanic above the critical tuning. Does this manifest itself as strongly in real life vs. what sims that us the small-signal T-S parameters such as Hornresp or WinISD say? I've noticed this when modelling highly motored subs (BL > 25), even in the boxes on the small side.

My opinion older subs were more efficient. Guys are hitting 150db on 400 watts old school some new school 1000s of watts are barely getting 150db.

I was never a hard core bass head back in the day......I gravitated to 10"s. I can't remember when the infinity perfects came out......but I swore they were the nicest sounding subs ever.....I still have my perfect 10.....and it still sounds better than anything I have found to date

My favorite subwoofers are the lanzar max st subwoofers and the orion subwoofers and the audiobahn subwoofers

I had a pair of L5 12’s in 2002 and they beat damn hard. I never got dB checked I didn’t care I know it crack my window and bumper though lol

There are a few subs and amps I wished I would have kept.

I think the kicker original solo-baric subs as well as mtx blue thunder subs sound as good as many today subs as far as sound quality, of course they have to have been in the proper box and of course they can't handle the power of today's subs, but I feel the sound was spot on imho

I had a pair of kicker free air 6x8 in the deck of a Nissan 2000 nx.. 250 si amp ..

Also i took ya word n ditched the ap txxbd4 i went to a American bass hd 12 and that is a subwoofer just cant wait to see of ya emrage or how u spell it haven't found one in Brooklyn

Old subs are cool because that's how most of us started and got into it but when 20 years ago a 400$ sub.. about 750 today's money weighed maybe 20 lbs..and had a 3in coil with maybe a 2 spider suspension and 2in total xmax.. granted it wanted a 1000 watts but today ur getting a 4in coil maybe 5 spiders, 3to4in excursion and burps of 7k

That kicker reminds me of the old solo-baric s8 ...

Hi, I am from Ukraine, so sorry for my English. Have you ever use the Audiobahn AW1000x driver? What did you think about this driver, or a brand general. Did they show the real parameters for drivers?

I remember in the late 90s it was solobaric vs jl w6 in my neighborhood.

Should have reviewed some Rockford fosgate power hx2s

It's like mass produced Vs Hand built

I had 2 mtx 12s in a closed box they were 28yr old hit harder than my friend's newer pioneer in a sealed box differents in cars mtx were in a SUV the pioneer were in a mustang convertible

People that are old enough to say older audio gear is or was better now suffer from hearing loss because of their old systems. I know I long for music to sound like it did back in the day yet I know my ears cannot hear the tones I once enjoyed and if I turn my my tunes loud enough I get static not from my system but from my damaged ear drums. so to all of you saying if its too loud your too old Just wait your turn is coming.

I have old subs that are busted, similar to what your showing. I'd like to upgrade them to the newer materials and keep the old dust cap.