I guess you are

We know Ken

Yes you are

NO KEN

think of the small creators you monster.

Nah some people or streamers use it for the views

That's what I was thinking too.

@YeaMan hello I am your biggest fan! I love your diverse comments ❤️ Thank you 🙏

Yeah, there isn’t a one size fits all when it comes to reacting.

People either actually add something into it like commentary and genuine reactions like Charlie, and theres people who just sit down and watch the whole video they're reacting to without doing anything and being silent the whole time, basically watching the whole video with the streamers facecam being stoic.

He also used to regularly shit on reaction content as well as continuously bitches about lazy content. And then the makes it like a total tool. Just like he shit on drama channels and makes garbage like this.

Lmao RIGHT

what did the other reply say

​@@thatisaduck something

Idk about everyone else but I click and watch because of charlie I couldn't care less about the content hes "reacting" to...He makes the usually unwatchable and retarded content he reacts to entertaining.

Dam I remember that too. It was really wholesome

I remember this too! The fact he was donating his youtube earnings for so long, what a beautiful soul he has. And the way he spoke about how he would have to use the money; as though he was asking *our permission* to use his own money, and apologising for it. I truly believe he has the biggest heart of all content creators, and I truly wish nothing but happiness and success for the rest of his life. Finding out Charlie is only a couple years older than me was a shock, I remember seeing that QWOP vid when I was, what, 16? I remember showing the girls in my class and we were all guessing he was about late 30s, 40s, because of his voice. And he was just a lil 16 year older, like us! Aging while watching him has been a trip, I stopped watching for 3/4 years before 2016 and a little after but man, his content is as good as it's ever been right now.

This little puff piece you wrote on him doesn’t justify him stealing content.

@@shortstarwarsessays1842 this is coming from a person who steals content

@@knighter1209 How do I steal content, I also have no ads on my contend and I get hardly any views. I upload it for myself and would gladly make it private if it offends you so much. I do not sit there take other peoples videos play it all the way through and put ads on it, it’s wrong and a very scummy thing to do.

Sidemen and Mr. Beast are guilty of that.

I saw a reaction channel once that used someone’s animation and got way way more views than the original. The channel owner felt bad about it but another react channel owner came in and said something along the lines of “you should be proud you got more views it means your stuff is better than theirs” and I was just blown away lol

@@davids2606 Critikal as well tbh. I still enjoy it cuz I wouldn't have found the videos if he didn't cover them.

500 hours of work to get paid in "exposure"

@@davids2606 Nah man Sidemen are calm their reaction are actually good they don't just sit there and say nuthin

Sooo much good history content on KZfaq that does reactions-- they fill in blanks, they talk about their experience learning it, how it relates to other areas of history etc.

Agree, I also watch his videos

No wrong

Mr terry is pretty cool too

Vlogging through history reacts to historical videos and adds some things that we might not know, and adds contexts to some things. That's what reaction channels should be.

you meat riders need to stop commenting nonsense😂😂charlie completely misunderstood the document and is too scared to admit it.

JESUS CHRIST 😭😭😭

I'm watching this video for the first time now, right after watching Charlie talk about why he quit doing reaction videos and put this part of his channel in the past.

I’m tryna see the twitch timeline by Moist and I feel like future Trunks😭😭

there is one, hover over the video, three dots, don't recommend

@@rippingaxe I don't feel like clicking that every time criticals videos pop up, because he has 10 million subs.

@@3dirt516 you can also click don't recommend channel

@@rippingaxe only to get another recommendation by the thousands of reaction channels

@@3dirt516 well eventually there will be no more recommendations like that. that's the most you can do as far as I know

charlie does youtube nights himself

I mean no shit

Yeah they act all hypocritical, bots

There's actually a really great video by Jay Exci about this. He talks about how there's good and bad reaction content, and that it's about finding the balance between showing an amount of a video and also adding enough commentary and actual reactions to make it your own. Some get it pretty right, like Charlie, some not so much.

This hit's too close to home although I believe the ones I watch at least add to it. For example The Corridor Crew Analysing SFX

The only "flaw" i see in this video is moistcritikal didn't link the 14-page document, and most people can't even find the document in matto's channel as the document link is in the community tab, which almost no one ever click

@@user-ny2wy3jl1t Wrong. He horribly misrepresented the content of the script, taking things out of context and blatantly nitpicking things to critisize. I like moistcritikal but this is by far the worst video i have watched of him.

nah, man literally used extreme words to talk about react content. DarkViper shouldn't had said it like that, maybe then, he would not receive that backlash

“It always takes impressions - and thus views - away from most other original creators.” Who is it that didn’t pay attention to whose arguments, again? The point that cr1tikal repeated most often is that that claim - the one you claim is central in the grand scheme of things - is unfounded.

@@Pablo360able I was thinking the exact same thing, most of the video is Charlie talking about how you literally can't prove that react content "takes" impressions away from original creators

@senni bgon oi mate, wot ah yew on about then?

@senni bgon what are you on about actually? Lmao

@senni bgon druggie

If that’s all it takes to make you laugh so hard you spit out your coffee then maybe you would also get a kick out of Amy Schumers stand up special on Netflix.

@@shortstarwarsessays1842 it’s funny how you spent a whole comment section arguing with others about how he steals content only to go out of your way to criticize someone’s humor a few months later it’s entirely unnecessary if anything it seems like your lashing out

Then reaction videos would die

KZfaq doesn’t want to get rid of its cash cow

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qLRlaJCSxtPPf3U.html Yippee

in hindsight, maybe they were the good guys

Man i really hate when i see that someone is putting his reactions as something you have to pay to be able to see

I had that same feeling too, I wonder how this guys gonna feel like whenever he makes an apology video.

NPD's a helluva drug

lesgoooooooooooooooooo

Yes finaly someone who understands

I hope Charlie sees this then

It's a pain in ass to find. He wants people to watch the video and have a tribal mindset and do as he says. But I like both but Charlie is wrong this time

Yea I loved Charlie too but this just proves he is like everyone else just letting different dog shit fall out of his mouth

The worst part is the fact that Charlie or any other reactor was never compared to a rapist …It was an “analogy” of exploitation without permission…Fuck Charlie

This is the same guy who recently made that Dark and Darker video missing tons of context

Istina, rođak

and it's all monotone so same

I mean if it’s legal it’s legal.

Doesn't Charlie do exactly that?

@@cl4267 yea, I’m confused on this take, Charlie does EXACTLY this on his twitch.

@@flogos989 he says he tries to add things but any stream i saw from him was just watching content and sometimes interjecting a word or two.

@@cl4267 I'm speaking generally. Based on this video, Charlie understands the need to be transformative and even realizes when he hasn't been. He's not the issue.

@Nisa Suharni surely it's not a bot, there's just no way, also you tweaking

That would be amazing

Holy sh*t, that's a great idea!

That’s an amazing idea

@Nisa Suharni that Spanish makes zero sense lmaoo

true

y does this have one like

without a doubt all verified commenters are bad though

@@thisisaretiredaccount a lot are, yes, but why all? Would you consider me bad for commenting? For using a feature on KZfaq?

Most react channels are lame

Yeah there’s some weird cherry picking going on here

I mean i still think this reaction is justified. You don’t compare someone to a rapist even as a over sensualized analogy

@@wolfiemuse I wouldn’t say that it is justified

exactly. i love both content creators but i gotta take matts side on this one

I'm actually sadge and disappointed.. 😞

Yes indeed.

well not really all of charlie fanbase

@@M-a-r-c a good portion though

nah, just nah. people arent calling him out for being wrong, people just follow whatever the new narrative is. everybody agreed with charlie about the things he said and about the document, but then after one video comes out from darkviper everybody suddenly thinks charlie is completely wrong. if charlies makes a video doubling down everybody will be on his side again. noone is being honest here, they're just drama frogs who follow whatever narrative they last heard and use that to be negative towards people

@@Sopsy_Hallow no one huh? you seem to be really sure about that

People have been shitting on commentary since 2012. It's not new. What is new, however, is the level of commentary that these channels provide. Whether you agree with Charlie or DarkViper, SSSniperwolf's content is not transformative or entertaining at all; it's straight theft. At least with most creators, they will speak on the topic and actually add something to the video, as well as direct attention towards the channels. Even Charlie shat on SSSniperwolf.

Crazy how darkviper also said sssniperwolf makes good reaction content

​@@AUSWQPCV The hell? When did he say that?

@@AUSWQPCVhe said she makes higher effort content than reactors like Charlie and asmongold, not that she made good reactions. Bad or not she has highly edited videos which is a lot harder and more time consuming than just pressing the play button

@@MannyPardoPillow1989 Do you agree with darkviper though

yeah exactly, there’s probably so many other people that wouldve been way better examples. makes no sense to bring up charlie

How does he react better then other people?

Lol like all those creators he shouts out on twitter all the time and all those links to the videos such a good example. Stan

I would agree with this if he actually linked to other videos and gave shoutouts. He is nowhere near as good at this type of contact as the likes of Blind Wave.

A perfect example of a good "react" content is Corridor Crew with their VFX Artists/Animators/Stuntmen React series. Each episode features an in-depth analysis of the content they're reacting to. They don't just sit there dead-eyed thanking people for donations.

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mdeHgdCJvqmbZnU.html - watch this , Matt did nothing wrong , Charlie defamed him

​@@bblLover100 "defamed" him, so I see that defamation/libel is the new buzzword people are going to use incorrectly.

@@WontBeSaved define it

Excellent point

Just google it bro, he clearly mentioned that’s what he’s talking about and it’s definitely not hard to find. You know his source, you know where to find it, he shouldn’t have to hold ur hand all the way there

I read the doc, still a very bad take

@@samt3412 I felt it was very accurate

@@samt3412 how was it a bad take?

@@samt3412 I don't see how you could view it as a bad take but whatever everyone has opinions, but no matter wether u agree or disagree with the argument, that doesn't change the fact that charlie severely took things out of context and he had alot of mis-information, and made it out to seem like something it wasnt. I had watched charlies vid first, and I legit thought I was about to read a document on how twitch streamers are rapists, but that is no where near the case

@@samt3412 Of course it's a bad take in "your" opinion, I mean Charlie said so, he is basically your god.

He did, definitely go watch it

hahaha this is the best comment here

Yeah he did lol cause that’s the type of person he is he literally wrote a 14 page essay on it that Charlie is referring to but obviously Charlie took tiny chunks and used them in his favor without context

Darkviper's response video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mdeHgdCJvqmbZnU.html for anyone who wants to know

Funnily enough darkviper reacts to this video

@Mbita Acoustic Guitar no he didn’t

Yeah and I think he actually asks permission beforehand

Reactors still ultimately get the leg up in the algorithm overall. People like you and me are the minority.

14 PAGES

@@sevuri1233 yes

who

I swear I’ve seen this comment somewhere before.....weird dejavu

Well, my respect for a person drops to zero the moment a react streamer decides to take down others videos and channels for including their content. Basically, i majorly dislike double standards.

WHO

Now I think I know who you're talking about but I'm not gonna make any assumptions on who it is

Yeah Poki and Hassan are some that come to mind who take the “Jinx” approach to reacting and Hassan is worst since his egos is so big that he just attacks whoever criticized him

@@LivingLikeLarry12 "Jinx" i haven't heard that name in years

@@LivingLikeLarry12 go watch dark vipers response video. Charlie purposefully makes stuff up and takes a lot of of context in order to make himself look better.

Old media has this figured out long ago. If you want to provide `curated` content, you're going to have to pay the original creator. Paying with 'exposure' is possible but only when the original creator agreed to that. The rapist argument, while absurd and in bad taste, sheds light on this, the reactor is not asking if the original creator wants to be paid in exposure. They just re-stream the video... In software development, consent is given through a license attached to the code/content. In music, there's a license required to stream/play music you did not create yourself. On youtube, there's a gap where a license would provide clarity. And it seems that they're still a long way of fixing that. I hope, in a couple of years, there's a youtube.com, where you can watch videos for yourself, and and reacttube.com where all content fit for re-streams is available.

Pokimane got a dmca strike for watching full episodes of avatar. Why does that not apply to KZfaq videos people put hundreds of hours on.

He truly is a "disingenuous and dense motherfucker" sometimes

let's see the outcome

@@A_D_H_L I like that 😂

Ong bro these people leaving comments defaming matt are misled by a landslide

@Pedro who did what

heavily agree, as a person who is subscribed to both people i am shocked to see charlie try and do some shit like this

Thank you , people are judging dark even though they haven't even looked at the document , Charlie defamed matt and took thing matt said out of context , kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mdeHgdCJvqmbZnU.html

@@entity5279 same bro

Yep just finished the video

@@entity5279 But my man just compared react streamers to sexual predators

I think Charlie is more in the right than viper, because while viper set the standards for his argument, they aren’t the standards for real life. Viper made an argument and limited it to what he wanted to perceive, which isn’t how it works. Vipers old content IS react content, just a different form, and he takes a moral high ground? He says ALL reactors are morally bad because he doesn’t like them?

Now we will never get anymore Geek Love videos. Thank you Darkviper I guess

​@@dj.big0go watch them then

I know, I can't believe Charlie is a rapist, glad the fanbase corrected him here.

This is the first time I've seen any fanbase call him out collectively for being wrong, but still be fans of whoever they are calling out, claiming that he may have made an honest mistake as a benefit of doubt.

@@Tylericous I don't remember that appearing in the document.

@@davids2606 Congrats on pointing how dense yourself and other Viper fans are then I guess

@@neesuman3759 Probably because this is the first time, if something like this happens again Twitter is going to banish him to the shadow realm.

yeah this absolutely, Jay's video is really good

Exactly

I also agree with Jay Exci.

Agreed as well.

Agreed.

nah

@@AftonWillam simp

Watch his moist meter video for the The Last of Us 2

@@blindinghornet9079 Kay.

well at least he knows that thinking like this is bs now

@@hippywill what do you mean?

@@bloodstainedalyss i think charlie realized he was wrong and hating on reaction channels for adding content to it and making more people listen to the music /become a new fan

i dunno if you look at comments from before dvvideo then ts a big ass dogpile, its only the last few hours that ts become about the other side as well

ay fuck barca

@@stevenchaloner162 Dang ya I figured. I dont really do too much looking into things but i saw almost all the top comments seem to be defending the guy and it surprised me. But that's not to say there will still be a whole bunch of ppl who dogpile without context anyways

@@stevenchaloner162 go watch a video on the darkviperau channel where he made a response to this video bringing up all the points Charlie didnt care to bring up or he didnt want to

@@kike6359 🤣🤣🤣

You're completely right dude

Agreed sir

I have no idea how he could misinterpret was was clearly an analogy, I’m glad that I went out of my way to read it myself

@@KinguKirimuzon He had to, otherwise he had no point

listen to his video very closely. it's not the document that has him upset. he' took part of the document as a very personal attack. he reinterinates the same points about the rapist comparison and his name being used. relative to charlies understanding, the document is an ad homin attack. his response is him not apreaciating being attacked even though. the document really isn't about his specifically. Don't know what charlie is going through in his personal life but homie might not be okay right n ow.

An honest person.

which is kind of the problem, isn't it? You are watching reactions to content that isn't interesting to you, because they were the videos recommended to you on youtube. Charlie's interests aren't your own, and it's perfectly fine to have a difference in preferences. But youtube doesn't know this. How many channels that would be interesting to you could have taken that spot on your homepage, or that slot in your recommended? We'll never know, because it was taken by charlies reaction to something else. This is also why Darkviper's criticism of reaction content was on the whole market, not just the person being reacted to. There's many unseen negatives here

Yup. This has so many red flags & clearly was meticulously set up to make darkviper look as bad as possible with so much stuff purposely taken out of context…. Classless move by Charlie.

Bayzed take

I complete agree

charlies just mad he got called out

tbf Charlie is a funny dude but his youtube content is like a reddit top comment generator just in video form. 99% of the time he just states some vanilla normie popular opinion that the majority of his demographic already agrees with and dresses it in his "edgy" humor.

KZfaq really needs to do something about these bots

It sucks when my report button does absolutely nothing against bot replies on my own comment.

@@yahia5476 But they won't. They never do anything right.

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jtx2atudv5-0h4E.html Enjoy

no way, free porn??? not like theres a website for it no way, gotta click!

this has been resolved now

In what way is it a terrible take? What part of it is wrong?

That last sentence isn’t true and you know it. You’ve definitely seen them old react channels who literally just watch videos and smile every now and then. Out of their hundreds of videos they only talk during the intro and outro I remember there was that one (not being racist it’s just a description) black guy who would put a video in the corner and do this exact thing and I think there used to be some drama around him. I’ll search for his name (and no it isn’t blasphemous). JINX. Jinx was a prime example of the worst reactors

++

Excatly. I personally think charlie is wrong here

Lol you're right but Critikal is a react youtuber/streamer so of course he chose to react.

DarkViper has responded, sad that Charlie takes alot of stuff out on context etc:/ i will take what he says with a pinch of salt from now on:/ kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mdeHgdCJvqmbZnU.html

@@JinRoh22 you should apply that to most people on the internet including that other guy

yes, instead of clashing two giant fan bases together. But i guess at the end of the day they make more money then

@@fizzinsoda isn't that why he released the document name dropping instead of making the video? I'm sure this has been very profitable so far.

That’s essentially what he does.

YUP, Same, DarkVieperAU's response here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mdeHgdCJvqmbZnU.html

yeah matt's hypocrisy about calling reactors rapist despite having react content himself

@@danielhernandez2575 Have you even seen the response

@@danielhernandez2575 even if he is a hypocrite that doesnt dissprove his point and also the rapist part it was an analogy for reactors only backing off if you straight up say no even if you clearly need permission

@@titosyettos2689 Watching a video on stream doesn't equal having intercourse without consent and shouldn't be compared. The context behind them is vastly different and its absurd he used THAT analogy when there are plenty other ones that fit better.

I think you've got to watch both videos to understand your point. And then they probably agree with you anyway.

this is probably the worst video charlie has made

Rule 4 be friends with Susan Wojici and Twitch Admins so that you can make sure your revenue streams stay open since a large portion of your content relies on nebulously structured and interpreted fair use laws

I understand Charlie wants to defend himself he feels he's done nothing wrong thats okay... its just kinda funny Charlie decided to jump out in front of Matt's video without letting him make his own argument I think he really shot himself in the foot there because he only has the argument that he made for the document not what matt had intended the argument to be, Charlie also seems to purposely misunderstand the consent analogy and accost Matt's character without even knowing what matt means... even though everyone knows you ask for consent first you don't just do what you want and apologize if needed later

@@frankmerker630 dude you’re reaching

Yeah this was a really really bad response, him pretending to be offended over that just to bolster support didn’t do anything for him.

but he did defend the original point...? It's a 20 minutes video

@@CorelUser he spent 75 percent of the video arguing non important points such as the sexual part of the argument and praising himself for doing “good” things in the community. This was absolutely a horrible response.

@@shortstarwarsessays1842 the "sexual part" was inside the first 4 minutes. He dedicated less time than I would have, since he was quite literally compared, be it as just an analogy or just on Twitter, to a criminal. I would argue that most percentage of the video is him asking the sources of Darkviper's train of logic, since the document has sections that absolutely require some, like the statistics and graphs he used as evidence that react channels have a big impact on the site. Charlie mentioned (one single channel among a group of them) that have been reportedly growing since he reacted to one of their videos. He also said that he has no evidence it was actually his touch that made them go viral, or that if he didn't react to one of their video they wouldn't have; what he said is that, of these channels, he is become friends with the owners, who have thanked him for the exposure, with only one exception.

Did you watch more than five minutes if this video? He went over pretty much everything from the finite views, to adding value, to good content doesn’t need reactions.

I mean yeah

Being compared to a sexual predator will do that.

But if you lot read the supporting tweet, you would realise that DarkViperAU states it is an incredible exaggeration.@@Ignatius_Lives

True.

Yeah fax

Is the document anything like his tweet? DarkViperAU: "People who live their lives exploiting others, their labour or careers, in their own lust for money and power are the very sort of people who would SEXUALLY ABUSE someone. A reactor’s career is specifically about IGNORING CONSENT and only respecting people when profit is at risk." If so I'm not interesting in reading the whole thing honestly.

yes i agree

@@WontBeSaved it’s not, because that’s taken out of context.

Same

The video was fine Edit: just realized you were talking about Charlie. Ya this video really makes him look bad.

Nah Darkviper’s the one in the wrong not Charlie, needlessly crying about reacting while comparing reacting to sexual assault is disgusting behaviour and he needs to be put on a register

@@bear3616 Darkviper fanboy spotted, embarrassing behaviour

@@NOOSEOfficerthe only argument against Matt is literally only about a distasteful analogy lmao. Reaction meat riders always try to scramble to find any reason for why exploitation and not asking for consent is okay and always fail

*Cough* fine bros *cough*

cough hasan couh

charlie doesn’t really react that much a lot of the times lmao

Bro

adin ross will just watch in silence and randomly pause and go AYO???!!? most of the time lmao

ok but if a small youtube channel was reacted to by a channel with 12 million followers (especially with the fan base he has) i think they’d be stoked lmao what, unless he reacts in a bad way😭😭

@@soph414 I'm sure that made sense in your mind.

@@r.rodriguez4991 guess you can’t read english then idk

@@soph414 Bro, read my comment and then yours. It's clear you have a tenuous grasp of English grammar. Also, while you're reading it, take notice of the part where I said, "that doesn't explain why you don't ask permission." I agree that most people would be stoked. That doesn't explain why he doesn't ask permission first.

@@soph414 Even if there is an interesting commentary in the reaction it still counts as “exploitation without permission”…You are making more money off someone’s hard work and labour without asking for permission in the first place…In the worst case scenario,what if the original creators video is demonetised then what ? No matter how many views he/she gets it will make them 0 money unlike the reactor ofcourse..

Like dontai

@@Ballfondler624 dontai is boring

Not really I can read people by their facial expressions so talking while reacting is really annoying to me. Or pausing is also a fine option to talk

Yeah because if they don’t you might as well just be watching the show or video they are reacting to.

@@Haha-Jim for sure it’s getting ridiculous at this point I haven’t seen a recent video about it

We do, but the people making bank off it still defend it.

@@JackReacheround and they pretend they aren't doing "lazy" react content because they pause it and laugh at the video ...

@@JackReacheround I don't mind Charly at all, he's a funny guy but what I hated most in this video was him saying "I add to the content, except when I like it, then I just watch it in silence on my stream". He literally just showed the issue right there wtf

Most people don't like being called a bad person and a rapist. This isn't the gotcha you think it is, kiddo.

@@undefined69 He used an analogy that implied reactors were more likely to be rapists, yes.

@@undefined69 He does. You can split hairs and say "well ackshually" all you want, but what he implied is obvious.

Well being compared to a fucking rapist is pretty infuriating.

Tbh every time DarkViper start some drama he sounds like he’s off his meds

This was only at the beginning of the video and it's already escalating too quickly

At this point I won't be surprised

OOOF

I'm getting deja vu from these comments wtf

Got to ask yourself - who is more likely to commit sexual assault - a man who watches content in front of an audience, or a man who trivialises sexual assault? It's a mystery!

True

Yea Charlie knows that people won’t actually read the document. The fact that he hasn’t linked it yet speaks volumes.

Boom, headshot.

Old Charlie vids were lit dumping on tik took culture and stuff this he’s just going for the reach over some remarks

So true

don't watch him then fool

LOL "predatory behavior" Jesus Christ, do you need a teddy bear and your blankey? The scary predatory man might... *gasp* post a youtube video you don't like.

@@zs4580 oh I’m sorry did I criticize the guy who forms all of your opinions for you?

Thank you, here's the link to his response video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mdeHgdCJvqmbZnU.html

i agree. you can’t deny the analogy was right. although i did think it was a bit extreme i understood the point he was trying to make and that’s the point of analogy’s. they aren’t trying to make their own point, dark wasn’t comparing reactors to sex offenders. the analogy is only there to help people understand his original point. i’m sure charlie knows this and chose to take it the wrong way considering it’s the first thing he mentions about the document not even a minute into the video.

Hats off for u mate.

Bro he knows he is wrong but he wants to keep reacting to stuff for ez money so ofc he is going to misrepresent it. "This is a MASSIVE document with LOADS of words.... so basically he just called us rapists 😞"

@@eliza1905 I hope it was an honest mistake that he took it the wrong way, but if he did purposely twist DVau's words to be used against him then he's just as good as the crappy channels he reacts to.

Ayy, Undead Army

@@JTmaxx 😎

Or at least link the full document in the description to THIS video. Jesus. That's like the bare minimum he should do if he's serious about engaging in a good-faith discussion.

How? Just based off watching this video and not knowing either off this creators darkviper seems a bit dense by providing no evidence for his claims

@@alexendo2955 go and watch DarkViper's video. Penguinz0 took a big L here. He totally misinterpreted the document that Dark Viper wrote. And moreover critical thinking is enough to realise what DarkViper said is actually true. You don't need to present factual data for it.

@@brothergunns5055 okay thanks but i feel like darkviper should have explained that better in the document, i also think that critical was upset because he was compared to a rapist lol

@@alexendo2955 it was a script for a video. Not meant to be explained. He would have addressed all issues in his video. DarkViper compared the tendencies of reactors with rapists. And it's true to some extent. Both doesn't take consent, and both are bound to repeat the offense.

@@alexendo2955 Critical did stop making reaction content tho and both of them are good friends now.

Same. I don't really care about the drama here, I just wanted a something to hear while I cooked dinner, but honestly, even if there are a lot of lazy react channels with poor content, you can simply either not watch it or just look for the original if you care so much.

Memes and reaction videos are almost my sole source of new content creators to watch these days. The only time I don't is when I find a new gaming content creator cause I usually find them looking up videos of the games I'm playing or interested in playing.

You guys aren't addressing any of DarkVipers arguments as to why "react content" is harmful. It's not that it's bad content. It's not that it's lazy. A reaction video is in direct competition for impressions (videos shown to people) with the videos they react to. Infact, with all videos on KZfaq. All the people who work countless of hours to make proper videos themselves, "suffers" because some dude watches some of their videos and uploads it. And that dude has the best content, because he can "produce" videos that takes maybe 200+ hours to make, a few times a day. He's able to do that because somebody else already put in those hours. It has nothing to do with whether or not YOU would be watching that video by finding it by yourself. It's not as simple as "just don't watch it". They are still taking up a space on the platform that they have no right to take. No matter who is watching them. They have no right to take it, because the work is not done by them. The time it takes to make a "reaction video", is the same as the runtime of that "reaction video". The effort i close to zero. Everyone else that makes videos "suffers" because of react content. The one being reacted to just has the benefit of maybe gaining some viewers from the reaction. I take 20$ from each of you guys, and give that 60$ to somebody else. That's the idea. But it's more fitting to use food for this analogy. I take your sandwiches and eat them myself, letting some of the crumbs fall down to somebody else. The sandwiches are impressions. You guys, discovering new content through "reacts", are the crumbs. (Nothing of what I've said has anything to do with revenue made, nor with the reaction videos acting as substitutes for the original. But those are also issues.)

@@SkoomaBoi. me when I completely miss the points being addressed

Problem is, this may have worked well for you, but most likely not for the content creators. These streamers rake in several thousands of viewers on steam, and then several hundreds of thousands- sometimes millions, on uploading the clip to KZfaq. They've effectively given all these people zero reason to go watch that video again. Unless the original creator's content is ridiculously good, and the creator is exceptionally lucky- they won't achieve even a fraction of the revenue from it. As far as the 'exposure' argument goes, it's just nonsensical riff-raff. First of all, everyone and their mother knows these guys don't sit on their ass 10 hours a day in front of their system in the noble pursuit of providing other people a platform for 'exposure', nor is it out of a deep passion and love for video-watching and internet browsing. The truth is that if tomorrow all react streamers disappeared, then all these up-and-coming KZfaq channels- the ones which reactors claim they help, would not grow any slower. However, the channels that actually routinely have their content leeched by reactors, would definitely be far better off. It's exactly like piracy laws everywhere. Do you think Steven Spielberg would be happy if people started playing his movies for everyone to see, so that he gets 'exposure' and people might be enticed into checking out his other work? Hell no. Even so, i wouldn't complain about discovering a filmmaker as amazing as him- be it from jack mcrandomguy's stream. These things work for the reactor, viewer every time, but the chance it helps the creator themself is so ridiculously low, it's not even worth considering.

then matt can react to his video saying its a bad apology, and then charlie starts speedrunning gta 5, kills himself and blames darkviperau

This is the dude from tiktok charlie

You kidding. Charlie couldn't even make a real apology for the projared situation.

arent you bringing your own feelings into this?

@Codex And a KZfaqr that is 10x smaller, DarkViperAU could've lost thousands of subscribers if he didn't release his own video about the topic. Even worse, DarkViperAU was making and writing the script for the video about his thoughts on reaction content that he was about to release and go more into detail on the topic, but his plan was ruined by Charlie because he felt violated.

@@1_FLASKFAN No. They are stating their opinion based off of the evidence provided to them.

Just 3 days after he passed 10mil sub and now he is doing this, I’m really disappointed.

His videos aren't well thought out, he's just saying what you're wanting to hear. Critikal has been devoid of genuine logic for years.

Charlie is a great streamer and I love the guy, but damn this is a bad video

Nope

@@Leviathan56 I'm a big Charlie fan for sure but yeah this is a pretty stinky one

If I write a document about why I like dogs but I also write a whole part about why we need to kill Jews and why hitler was right, people are still right to shit on the document as a whole despite most of it just being about dogs lol. This guy still called streamers similar to rapists. That point alone makes the whole document stupid and worthy of shit

Im not reading 14 pages of somthing you could just explain in a paragaraph.

Nope sounds better

Food dip and Kay’s cooking

I definitely agree that Charlie is inherently a good person and just seems to be unknowingly doing what he is. I hope Matt's document can convince not just react viewers, but also explain the problem to react streamers themselves. Unfortunately, since Matt is so passionate about it and clearly labels react streamers as bad people, this will probably be hard to swallow for most people.

It's a 10 v 1 here on subscribers so I'm worried. KZfaq people are known to mobilize at basically nothing.

@@Blucario90 Tbh Matt made good points so I can respect him arguing with someone who has WAY more supporters than him and can, at any time, "hate raid" him. It's a different case if he's just ranting pointlessly, but the reality is, it's the opposite.

I actually think Matt might grow from Charlies reaction :')

@@dan4992 yes, look at how much he has grown since, kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mdeHgdCJvqmbZnU.html

you don't know how to use twitter?

You can search it up you know? It's not exactly some underground confidential document.

@@stellar1252 yeah but to take it completely out of context and then not have the decency to support your argument by linking the document? No one is going out of their way to find that trust me

Yeah I feel bad for my boy Jay. At least EFAP is always by his side

yeah, there's about the comment i was gonna make. exactly this, jay talked about very specific types of reaction content and she doesn't otherwise go after anyone producing react content except for the most notable and overall disliked sorts. and she even gets second opinions from other youtubers and some disagree with her main point. her video is very thoughtful and lighthearted and this is just goofy.

@@randomnerd3402 Yeah EFAP is top tier shit. Really says how to do good, transformative react content right there in the name: Every Frame A Pause.

@@pharoahcaraboo9610 I also appreciate that Jay mentioned in the video that she is herself makes react content both in video and stream form, and that she likes the majority of it. She doesn't just pull this weird "react channels are bad people" shit because it's just not true.

@@tgoas3503 Rags and Fringe arguing about an alligator comparison is really something else

Lmao what?

Damn I did not expect to see you here. love the videos. Reminds me of sam onella mixed with history house productions.

Jus cus u said that I subbing u cus u jus make react contnt n u gro off it lmaooo

Yeah I get your viewpoint, but it likely is lost views if they do the reaction like some streamers do; just sitting there and watching the whole video unedited,which equals to lost money and a bad taste for the creator while the reactor runs off with a thousand bucks in their wallet. Why watch original content when you can watch the video with someone else reacting to videos? Why go out of your way to find the original piece of content after you've watched a reaction video of that same video with someone else's commentary. If someone makes video X, that took 1000 hours to make, it's full of knowledge, research, nice editing, background footage, the whole shabang, and a reactor comes around and watches video X, uses only 10 minutes of effort to nick your video and put it on the screen and just talk about it every now and again, video X's creator doesn't make any money or views from it, at the very best like 300 inactive subs and 3 new viewers that stick around, while the reactor gets $2000 from video X's creator's 1000h of labor. With game reviews and gameplay, you can't get the whole experience of the game from a video, there's always some aspect in the controls that make it worth it to buy the game, videos don't have this luxury, if you watch a video, that's it, you know the video now, sure you can come back and watch it again since it was good, but you're not likely to go off a reactor's channel to a whole different channel to seek a single video out.

Just wanted to say your videos are bangers

@@TheBiggestCorn i don't think it's the stream reaction that's hurting the original videos to be honest. It's when people (not the streamer) clip the whole reaction from the stream and post it on youtube and then makes it to the front result

Barley gives exposure tho lol

Only 1% of the time it actually gives exposure, which dies off quickly anyways

yeah but they most often talk about weird films or larger channels where they usually heavily criticise them and making new content around it instead of just watching a smaller channels content and profiting off of it

Those are different than reaction channels tho. Those are commentary channels

He said there are differences between actual reactions that add something and hasan leaving his room while a video plays like it happened with his video.

Imdontai

Does he actually call out these people? That would be an absurd thing to say a Drew Gooden video isn't transformative. I was under the impression that it was streamers who were being called out: like Hasan, XQC, and Pokimane, who watch KZfaq videos or TV shows and just kinda sit in the corner.

The huge Charles channel is a giant example of why react content is bad. It's like 10 videos a day of just stream highlights and double dipping on content from twitch. Kind of scummy.

Dude people can disagree and still get along tho. It’s okay.

I mean charlie is doing it too of course he would defend it if it makes money for him easily

Dude Charlie is a react streamer. He reacts more than xqc