@Lulu Grce Dm Murdock, passed away with cancer. She embodied a warehouse of information pertaining to Religion and mythology. Interesting that she passed on december 25th. She leaves a legacy in her published works.

I miss her too...one ..one of the most courageous truth and fact tellers of our time!

Then how come historians have debunked her claims??? I'm going to give you the names of two of them and this is enough to destroy you're thinking. Richard carrier and Bart Ehrman These two don't believe in God, however both of them sai acharya's information is not reliable.

@@carloswater7 Richard Carrier is a Mythicist too. He does not believe Jesus ever historically existed just like she does not believe he existed either. What does he disagree with her on?

@@carloswater7 Bart is a believer that Jesus existed. But Carrier does not

But you will never be able to break free from GOD ALMIGHTY - after all HE CREATED EVERYTHING including THE HUMAN MIND denying HIM - what you call break free is being pulled further into THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN - THE DARKNESS!

@AAP and ??

Roses Of Time JP Holding www.truthbeknown.com/holding.htm Shattering JP Holding's Anti-Mythicist book freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=2255

Roses Of Time Primary sources and scholar commentary on them support Zeitgeist part 1 (ZG1): Sourcebook stellarhousepublishing.com/zeitgeistsourcebook.pdf Primary Sources and Scholars cited in the ZG1 Sourcebook www.truthbeknown.com/zeitgeistsources.html Rebuttal to Dr. Chris Forbes truthbeknown.com/chrisforbeszeitgeist.html Zeitgeist Part 1 & the Supportive Evidence freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=2997

Your statements alludes to your profound ignorance of the overwhelming evidence which verifies and validates the authenticity and truth associated and singularly endemic to Christianity. Tremendous supernatural power accompanies Christ's anointed ministering via manifest powers of the Holy Spirit are profoundly exhitbited via Christ mightily anointed in every service daily around the world. There's no excuse for any American today of our generation being ignorant of heavenly manifest powers which accompany proclamation of the Gospel around the world and establishes the reality of Christ's Kingdom among men of our own generation. This is an unassailable fact of reality for any intelligent knowledgeable individual of our generation that the Lord Jesus Christ was exactly as he's Biblically portrayed, being the son of the living God. With the evils of America's youth committing mass slaying on a scale never before in history according to a recent FBI publication show a direct consequences of a nation that has turned its back on God whose president openly promotes Sodomy relations from the oval office are unacceptable conduct in the sight of God for which America will be judged to its own destructive demise for its willful arrogance against divine law and authority.

Traditional Values What's "Traditional Values"? the troll account for tekton and JP Holding? Making outrageous claims based on faith and euphoria no longer works as Christians have failed utterly to substantiate their claims. Even New Testament scholars disagree with you TV: "Apart from the New Testament writings and later writings dependent upon these, our sources of information about the life and teaching of Jesus are scanty and problematic" F.F. Bruce, a founder of the modern evangelical movement - Who Was Jesus? 84 "...there are very few sources for knowledge of the historical Jesus beyond the four canonical Gospels. Paul and Josephus offer little more than tidbits. Claims that later apocryphal Gospels and the Nag Hammadi material supply independent and reliable historical information about Jesus are largely fantasy." John P. Meier - Who Was Jesus? 86 "...Christian scholars over the centuries have admitted that ... "there are parallels between the Mysteries and Christianity"1 and that "the miracle stories of the Gospels do in fact parallel literary forms found in pagan and Jewish miracle stories,"2 "...According to Form Criticism the Gospels are more like folklore and myth than historical fact."3 1. Metzger, HLS, 8. 2. Meier, II, 536. 3. Geisler, CA, 320. - Who Was Jesus? 259 "The Gospels are neither histories nor biographies, even within the ancient tolerances for those genres." Dr. John Dominic Crossan - Who Was Jesus? 24 Even Judaism disagrees with you TV: "The only definite account of his life and teachings is contained in the four Gospels of the New Testament, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. All other historical records of the time are silent about him. The brief mentions of Jesus in the writings of Josephus, Tacitus and Suetonius have been generally regarded as not genuine and as Christian interpolations; in Jewish writings there is no report about Jesus that has historical value. Some scholars have even gone so far as to hold that the entire Jesus story is a myth…" - The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia

Traditional Values I gotta say... for someone who indicates itself to be fighting against ignorance, you sure have a very peculiar way with grammar. And not in a good way. That's not a good place to start. Also, just, by the way... hallucinations, faith healing, etc... not exactly supernatural. There is a lot that goes in to it, and none of that that goes in to it is supernatural... then again, I don't expect you to understand this comment.

she doesnt speak , emotions churns out from the bottom of her heart.

True. She is awesome. A wonderful woman.

They "put on the armor of God" and attack anything that is contrary to their view.

what does it profit her to gain the whole world but lose her own soul? she lost

after 20 years of believeing i woke up thank goodness for the Internet!

I had zero choice in the matter. My 'faith' simply evaporated beyond my control even as I tried to hang on to it and rationalize that while not all of it is factual, the spiritual elements/basics are. I *wanted* it to be true. Luckily, I wasn't raised from birth with fundamentalist indoctrination. While my parents believed in god and Jesus, it was in a very broad sense). The indoctrination didn't begin until age nine when I attended a Southern Baptist Christian school (4th through 9th grade and even then, my questioning of some of the outlandish assertions, e.g., the world flood, 6000 year old earth, a loving god with an infinite torture chamber reserved for non-believers effectively resulted in my expulsion by being asked not to return for 10th grade), so I didn't fall into the 'give me a child until age seven' scenario. I imagine those who are born into fundamentalism have an exponentially more difficult time waking up.

I wanted to believe in order to belong, to find a made within the faith and have kids. The American dream. What made me stop trying to believe was after I started to understand human behavior, dark triad traits and anatomy of a good lie. It is natural to want to not die, to keep existing after we die when we do, and to belong to something greater (to that of the faith, as a child of God). Religion just uses our good nature.

Except she is excluded from any scholarly respect. A conspiracy theorist and nutjob that twists and squirms thru her life, trying to gain acceptance but remaining an outsider, without respect from any recognized scholars.

Jonathan Stiles she did have the respect of quite a few people. Most so called scholars who blew her off wee sexist. Many people didn't agree with her but she was never dismissed out of hand. There are quite a few mythicists and astrotheology supporters out there. Although it has not become a mainstream source of Christ Myth theory it's there and slowly but surely gaining ground. We all know that all religion is a conspiracy to control the masses by instilling fear. Religion is pure bullshit pure and simple.

Scholars and others who've actually studied Acharya's work tend to be supportive: "I find it undeniable that many of the epic heroes and ancient patriarchs and matriarchs of the Old Testament were personified stars, planets, and constellations." "I find myself in full agreement with Acharya S/D.M. Murdock" - Dr. Robert Price, Biblical Scholar with two Ph.D's Earl Doherty defers to Acharya for the subject of astrotheology: "A heavenly location for the actions of the savior gods, including the death of Christ, would also have been influenced by most religions' ultimate derivation from astrotheology, as in the worship of the sun and moon. For this dimension of more remote Christian roots, see the books of Acharya S" - Earl Doherty, Jesus: Neither God Nor Man, (2009) page 153 "Your scholarship is relentless! ...the research conducted by D.M. Murdock concerning the myth of Jesus Christ is certainly both valuable and worthy of consideration." - Dr. Ken Feder, Professor of Archaeology "...In recent months or over the last year or so I have interviewed Frank Zindler and Richard Carrier and David Fitzgerald and Robert Price all on the issue of mythicism ... when I spoke to these people I asked for their expertise collectively and what I got, especially from Fitzgerald and Robert Price, was that we should be speaking to tonights guest D.M. Murdock,author of 'Did Moses Exist? The Myth of the Israelite Lawgiver'." - Aron Ra, The Ra Men podcast EP10 - Did Moses Exist? with D.M. Murdock "I've known people with triple Ph.D's who haven't come close to the scholarship in Who Was Jesus?" - Pastor David Bruce, M.Div "...I have found her scholarship, research, knowledge of the original languages, and creative linkages to be breathtaking and highly stimulating." - Rev. Dr. Jon Burnham, Pastor "I can recommend your work whole-heartedly!" - Dr. Robert Eisenman ; )

"When you consider that God could have commanded anything he wanted--anything!--the Ten [Commandments] have got to rank as one of the great missed moral opportunities of all time. How different history would have been had he clearly and unmistakably forbidden war, tyranny, taking over other people’s countries, slavery, exploitation of workers, cruelty to children, wife-beating, stoning, treating women--or anyone--as chattel or inferior beings." - Katha Pollitt

Orion Pleiades you nailed it.

@Jubei Yang which one ? There's millions . Pick your Fable 🤔

Dumb ass

You think she'd make a good sandwich then?

I have no dog in this fight. I have read Dr. Bart Ehrman's book on the subject as well as the the book Kosher Jesus by Rabbi Baltiac. They both point to the existence of Jesus. Read their points of view. It may change yours. Incidentally I don't believe a man can be G-d, and no historian can prove that one way or the other.

he never HAD to exist for the reality of his STORY and his character to be true. It's a story about the divine nature of every human being. We all have "Christ" in us. It's not a person. It's an invisible power, explained by myth, allegory, metaphor, etc.

***** "he never HAD to exist for the reality of his STORY and his character to be true." that's hilarious. how is it 'his' story if he never existed? derp.

The message of the Christ avatar character in the story remains untouched. Just like Krishna. Just like Buddha. Just like Osiris. The avatar of the story had a message. The message is the most important thing. So that begs the question, what do you suppose the "gospel of Christ" to be? The gospel he preached. You think you "know" it, I'm sure. But I would venture to bet that you really don't know how to articulate it, based on the truth contained in the "story" given in the scripture! Notice how religion has jaded and divided people from one another over dogma? Its all inside you. Pick an avatar. Any story well studied brings you to the same divine truth. We are indeed divine beings...created in the "image" of gawd. Doh!! Did you forget the story dude? Greater is he that is IN YOU....

***** I don't think its a question of weather he existed or not, its a question of how much his story has been embellished.Did Davey Crockett Exist, well yeah, did he kill a bear when he was 3 yo well maybe not. There is so much verifiable stuff hinging on Moses that he had to have existed.

i just can't believe she died of cancer so young she looked so healthy!

Your response is exactly why people such as D.M. Murdock are great to have had on this planet. I am a believer but you sadly sound like a brainwasher fundamentalist type Christian who sounds more like evil than good. Open your mind! Stop being such a follower! Do you actually think Jesus would have said what you wrote? Omgosh! You make true Christians' look really bad! You should be ashamed of yourself! BTW who was Jesus praying to in the garden? Himself? I don't even know why I am entertaining this. People like you create the divide that so many of us are trying to correct. Your thoughts and words create wars! Very frightening actually!

Thanks for the info I'm very sad. I'm so behind. If what you say is true I am terribly saddened she has changed my whole life.

loksterization : I just left a meeting with Jesus Christ and he said you’re full of shit....

She confirmed a lot of the studies I myself we're doing. I had already discovered many flaws in Scripture that separated me from the church. To me she was and is a Goddess.

Please don't call her "Dorothy." Those who actually knew her never ever called her Dorothy. Why does Acharya S use a pen name? freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=4753#p4753 ; )

Which scholars???

@@youngknowledgeseeker en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_myth_theory

@@maxdoubt5219 This is literally from that page….also this isn’t even all of it but just a small excerpt….(thanks for your reply though!) “Scholarly reception - Lack of support for mythicism In modern scholarship, the Christ myth theory is a fringe theory, which finds virtually no support from scholars, to the point of being addressed in footnotes or almost completely ignored due to the obvious weaknesses they espouse. Common criticisms against the Christ myth theory include: general lack of expertise or relationship to academic institutions and current scholarship; reliance on arguments from silence, dismissal of what sources actually state, and superficial comparisons with mythologies. According to agnostic scholar Bart D. Ehrman, nearly all scholars who study the early Christian period believe that he did exist and Ehrman observes that mythicist writings are generally of poor quality because they are usually authored by amateurs and non-scholars who have no academic credentials or have never taught at academic institutions.” So I’m not sure what the “more and more scholars are agreeing comes from”. According to Bart Ehrman this is just simply false, he is quoted saying only a few years ago that you won’t find one top, reputable, peer reviewed, editorial board reviewed, scholar, with relevant training in the fields related to this study, ever suggesting that Jesus didn’t exist, get baptized by John, and die by crucifixtion. Sure historians can’t take the supernatural parts seriously though and some might outright claim they’re myths

What's her name?

@@williamjames4031 D M Murdock...spoke 10-15 Languages...her Greek was so good..she could deceive the Greek locals when she went on Archeological Sites with her Dad .

@@rationalsceptic7634 Thanks alot, I googled her name and she died in December 25th 2015, extremely sad. Rest in peace D.M Murdock.

@@williamjames4031 Indeed...so desperately sad..she was an awesome woman..with the Brain of a Planet ..we miss her fierce Intellect and Beautyl...she had to say Goodbye to her Son . .. she died on Christmas Day.😟🙏

sad but most people will stay delusional!

what does it profit a person if they gain the whole world but lose her own soul ?

@@jwsanders1214 Time to put away your childish bed time stories and join humanity in the 21 first century! What say ye?

@@expandingknowledge8269 what are you enlighten ones offering ? Only lies , spare me, I know Jesus , I have The Truth

She still had to bow and confess that Jesus is Lord of all

what difference at this point does it make? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ja9xhbB-2bvIioU.html If Jesus is not the Truth, then eat, drink and party for mankind is doomed. just so you know, the Bible speaks of a one world government, religion and leader at the time of Jesus's Return to save the earth, that's Weird?

What does it profit a person to gain the whole world , and lose her own soul ?

Raymond warren " wgat go you want" Huh?

Raymond warren Oh, so you are going to resort to name-calling to respond. And I guess you think you made your point clear. So be it.

Raymond warren Denied history? I don't believe that the man called Jesus existed as he was portrayed in the Bible. There is not ONE "contemporary, CONTEMPORARY" historian who wrote about him. The New Testament was not a CONTEMPORARY account of what happened during the time of the man called Jesus. It was written from 30 to 150 years after his alleged death. It is loaded with contradictions and falsehoods, PROVEN FALSEHOODS. And using the Bible to prove that he did indeed exist is like using a Superman comic book to prove the existence of Superman.You say that supernatural events should be discarded. Well then THAT in itself would eliminate the Jesus carachter from the get-go since he was "born" of a virgen birth. You have just proved my point and I thank you for that.

Raymond warren LOL...again with the name calling to "try" to take the higher position. Well Raymond, they DID have writers back then who wrote about the events of the day and not all of them were priests, as you have FALSELY stated. This "unknowning fool", as you have characterized me, would like to show you a list of WRITERS who recorded history and were NOT priests as you have stated: Historians and chroniclers of the Ancient World: Herodotus (484 BC-c. 420 BC), Halicarnassus, wrote the Histories that established Western historiography Thucydides (460 BC-c. 400 BC), Peloponnesian War Xenophon (431 BC-c. 360 BC), Athenian knight and student of Socrates Ctesias (early 4th century BC), Greek historian of Assyrian, Persian, and Indian history Theopompus (c. 380 BC-c. 315 BC), Greek history Eudemus of Rhodes (c. 370-c. 300 BC), Greek historian of science Berossus (early 3rd century BC), Babylonian historian Ptolemy I Soter (367 BC-c. 283 BC), general of Alexander the Great, founder of Ptolemaic Dynasty Duris of Samos (c. 350 BC - after 281 BC), Greek history Manetho (3rd century BC), Egyptian historian and priest from Sebennytos (ancient Egyptian: Tjebnutjer) who lived during the Ptolemaic era Timaeus of Tauromenium (c. 345 BC- c. 250 BC), Greek history Quintus Fabius Pictor (c. 254 BC-?), Roman history Artapanus of Alexandria (late 3rd to early 2nd centuries BC), Jewish historian of Ptolemaic Egypt Cato the Elder (234-149 BC), Roman statesman and historian, author of the Origines Gaius Acilius (fl. 155 BC), Roman history Polybius (203 BC-c. 120 BC), early Roman history (written in Greek) Sempronius Asellio (c. 158 - after 91 BC), early Roman history Sima Tan (165 - 110 BC), Chinese historian and father of Sima Qian, who completed his Records of the Grand Historian Sima Qian (c. 145 BC-c. 86 BC), founder of Chinese historiography who compiled the Records of the Grand Historian (although this was preceded by the Book of Documents and Zuo Zhuan) Agatharchides (fl. mid 2nd century BC), Greek history Posidonius (c. 135 BC - 51 BC), Greek and Roman history Julius Caesar (100 BC-c. 44 BC), Gallic and civil wars Diodorus of Sicily, (1st century BC), Greek history Sallust (86 BC-34 BC), Roman history Liu Xiang (scholar) (79 BC-8 BC) (Chinese Han Dynasty), Chinese history Theophanes of Mytilene (fl. mid 1st century BC), Roman history Dionysius of Halicarnassus (c. 60 BC-after 7 BC), Roman history Strabo (63 BC-24 AD), geography, Greek history Livy (c. 59 BC-c. 17 AD), Roman history Marcus Velleius Paterculus (c. 19 BC-c. 31 AD), Roman history Memnon of Heraclea (fl. 1st century AD), Greek and Roman history Ban Biao (3-54), (Chinese Han Dynasty), started the Book of Han that was completed by his son and daughter Quintus Curtius Rufus (c. 60-70), Greek history Ban Gu, (32-92), (Chinese Han Dynasty), Chinese history Flavius Josephus (37-100), Jewish history Pamphile of Epidaurus, (female historian active during the reign of Nero, r. 54-68), Greek history Ban Zhao (45-116), (Chinese Han Dynasty, China's first female historian) Thallus (early 2nd century AD), Roman history Plutarch (c. 46-120), would not have counted himself as an historian, but is a useful source because of his Parallel Lives of important Greeks and Romans Gaius Cornelius Tacitus (c. 56 -c. 120), early Roman Empire Suetonius (75-160), Roman emperors up to Flavian dynasty Appian (c. 95-c. 165), Roman history Arrian (c. 92-175), Greek history I should INFORM you that Pliny the Elder actually LIVED in Judea at the time of the man called Jesus and wrote NOTHING about him. A man who supposedly: 1. Was born of a virgen. 2. Could walk on water. 3. Could revive the dead. 4. Could cure terminal illnesses. 5.Return sight to the blind. 6. Could turn water into wine. 7. Could feed 5,000 people with three loaves of bread and my favorite 8. Upon his death, the dead arose from their graves and roamed the streets of Israel where they were SEEN. I guess these events were so common place to that era that NOBODY cared to mention them. So you continue to tell me how FOOLISH and IGNORANT I am because I have NO facts to back up my claims. Hmmm...how does that CROW taste???????

Raymond warren Matthew 27:52: The Death of Jesus …51At that moment the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split. 52The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. 53After Jesus’ resurrection, when they had come out of the tombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people.… Raymond, it would behoove you to actually READ the Bible. I too am an atheist, though I call myself a secular humanist.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

All hail the All-Father!!!

Look, all of you, there is ONE TRUE SUPREME DEITY, it's the FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER. Now eat your damned noodles.

Luckystrike please calm yourself - remember Pastafarians are not supposed to try to enforce the true religion onto others... Enjoy the rest of this holy day, (Friday)...

GorillaGuerilla Sarcasm sir, sarcasm. Now eat your noodles! (LOL) Ramen

It's a fallacy to say that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Sounds good, but it's just not true.

@@dougoverhoff7568 Oh really? What fallacy is that?

@@skyeangelofdeath7363 Why would it be true that an extraordinary claims would REQUIRE extraordinary evidence? Please enumerate and give examples. (That's what you fakers always say, isn't it?) That's strictly hyperbole and a wive's tale, it has no foundation in merit, or in logic.

@@dougoverhoff7568 I notice that you failed to even attempt to name the fallacy you had claimed. Most likely that is because you religitards have no clue what a fallacy is. As to examples, firstly; you are really not even giving the subject any thought at all or you would not have to ask. However, if you want an example that is quite easy. Let us say that a friend tells you that he & his wife went to dinner at the new seafood restaurant in town. What proof would you require in order to believe him? You probably would not need anything more than his say so right? On the other hand; what if your friend told you he had been abducted by aliens? What kind of evidence would you require to believe him then? Now think about the reason for the difference between the two things. One is ordinary & one is extraordinary....... Get it?

@@skyeangelofdeath7363 Not all fallacies are logical fallacies, some are just lies or untruths, a mistaken belief, or a false notion. In the case of the claim in question, I would simply say that it is a nonsequitur, if you're looking for a technical term. Your analogy is quite interesting, but does not describe a fallacy. Neither would I believe your friend, even if he were to provide some extraordinary "evidence", as I don't have any doubt as to the fact that he would have been lying. There's a difference between what I would call extraordinary, and what's flat out impossible, inconceivable, or beyond reason. We see people doing extraordinary things all the time, and extraordinary events, too. We see them on TV, or on KZfaq, and even in person. But, we don't require anyone to provide any extraordinary evidence along with it, nor do we ask for it, in order for us to believe it. So, how do we describe "extraordinary", and who is to be the judge of that? I'm not arguing that some things are hard to believe, but only that not everything that seems extraordinary to us is, in fact, all that difficult to explain. And does not require "extraordinary" evidence for it to be believed: only normal, ordinary, and believable evidence.

Damn, John, what an excellent comparison, "The Laurie Anderson of Scholars", a very loving comparison!

Actually she did nothing. Her arguments are weak and sophomoric. In truth she is really not taken seriously in academic circles today both in the private and public college setting. Even Bart Ehrman argued that she herself was "factually wrong" in many of her assessments. Apparently she knows nothing of textual criticism.

Matthew Engheta Honestly you're clueless. Ehrman is a great linguist, but his book on the existence of Jesus got shredded by Carrier and Price, amongst others. In other words Ehrman got his ass owned. Btw Robert M. Price thought her ideas were very interesting, and did have academic value. And btw most Biblical Scholarship is a joke. Many scholars have to affirm the Bible regardless of any contradicting evidence or they lose their job. Fitzgerald did a poll of the religious affiliations of Biblical scholars. 70% were Christian, and 40% of them were contractually obligated to not deny the Bible. Brodie is a perfect example. He's now Emeritus. Said Jesus is a myth, and he no longer had a job. So you can piss off with your most scholars agree argument, because the evidence doesn't remotely add up to nonsense they claim, using methods that historians would laugh at.

Scholars who've actually studied Acharya's work tend to be supportive: "I find it undeniable that many of the epic heroes and ancient patriarchs and matriarchs of the Old Testament were personified stars, planets, and constellations." "I find myself in full agreement with Acharya S/D.M. Murdock" - Dr. Robert Price, Biblical Scholar with two Ph.D's "Your scholarship is relentless! ...the research conducted by D.M. Murdock concerning the myth of Jesus Christ is certainly both valuable and worthy of consideration." - Dr. Ken Feder, Professor of Archaeology Earl Doherty defers to Acharya for the subject of astrotheology: "A heavenly location for the actions of the savior gods, including the death of Christ, would also have been influenced by most religions' ultimate derivation from astrotheology, as in the worship of the sun and moon. For this dimension of more remote Christian roots, see the books of Acharya S" - Earl Doherty, Jesus: Neither God Nor Man, (2009) page 153 "...In recent months or over the last year or so I have interviewed Frank Zindler and Richard Carrier and David Fitzgerald and Robert Price all on the issue of mythicism ... when I spoke to these people I asked for their expertise collectively and what I got, especially from Fitzgerald and Robert Price, was that we should be speaking to tonights guest D.M. Murdock,author of 'Did Moses Exist? The Myth of the Israelite Lawgiver'." - Aron Ra, The Ra Men podcast EP10 - Did Moses Exist? with D.M. Murdock "I've known people with triple Ph.D's who haven't come close to the scholarship in Who Was Jesus?" - Pastor David Bruce, M.Div "...I have found her scholarship, research, knowledge of the original languages, and creative linkages to be breathtaking and highly stimulating." - Rev. Dr. Jon Burnham, Pastor "I can recommend your work whole-heartedly!" - Dr. Robert Eisenman Here's what Dr. Robert Price had to say about this issue regarding Bart Errorman: “Such libel only reveals a total disinclination to do a fraction of the research manifest on any singe page of Acharya’s works.” - Dr. Robert Price, page xxi of the book, ‘Bart Erhman and the Quest of the Historical Jesus of Nazareth: An Evaluation of Ehrman’s Did Jesus Exist?’ Richard Carrier defended Acharya on this issue in the book too as well as across several of his own blogs: “At the very least I would expect Ehrman to have called the Vatican museum about this, and to have checked the literature on it, before arrogantly declaring no such object existed and implying Murdock made this up … She did not make that up. The reason this error troubles me is that it is indicative of the carelessness and arrogance Ehrman exhibits throughout this book … [Ehrman] often doesn’t check his facts, and clearly did little to no research. This makes the book extremely unreliable. A reader must ask, if he got this wrong, what other assertions in the book are false? And since making sure to get details like this right is the only useful purpose this book could have had, how can we credit this book as anything but a failure?” freethoughtnation.com/the-phallic-savior-of-the-world-hidden-in-the-vatican/#comment-11233 Bart Ehrman caught in lies and libel? freethoughtnation.com/bart-ehrman-caught-in-lies-and-libel/ Here's what non-biased scholars say about Jesus: "The only definite account of his life and teachings is contained in the four Gospels of the New Testament, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. All other historical records of the time are silent about him. The brief mentions of Jesus in the writings of Josephus, Tacitus and Suetonius have been generally regarded as not genuine and as Christian interpolations; in Jewish writings there is no report about Jesus that has historical value. Some scholars have even gone so far as to hold that the entire Jesus story is a myth." - The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia Below are some very interesting comments by highly respected scholars: "This book is a slightly revised version of my doctoral dissertation entitled “Solar Worship in the Biblical World” which was submitted to the Graduate School of Yale University in the Spring of 1989. As may be judged from the title of that work, I had at one time planned to cover more territory than sun worship in ancient Israel, but found the material pertaining to ancient Israel so vast that I never got beyond it." - Rev. Dr. J. Glen Taylor, "Yahweh and the Sun: Biblical and Archaeological Evidence for Sun Worship in Ancient Israel" (1993) "At Stonehenge in England and Carnac in France, in Egypt and Yucatan, across the whole face of the earth are found mysterious ruins of ancient monuments, monuments with astronomical significance. These relics of other times are as accessible as the American Midwest and as remote as the jungles of Guatemala. Some of them were built according to celestial alignments; others were actually precision astronomical observatories ... Careful observation of the celestial rhythms was compellingly important to early peoples, and their expertise, in some respects, was not equaled in Europe until three thousand years later." - Dr. Edwin Krupp, astronomer and director at Griffith Park Observatory in Los Angeles Star Worship of the Ancient Israelites astrotheology.net/star-worship-of-the-ancient-israelites/ ; )

I am clueless? I will have you understand that I have 3 degrees under my belt and have sat under some of the brightest men in academia. I am sorry to inform to you that all of your argumentation is weak and I'll founded. Any credible scholar will affirm the historicity of Jesus of Nazareth. You along with this select group of people represent a small and I mean a small number. Oh and by the way Ehrman is more than a linguist buddy. He is one of the nations leading New Testament scholars. Again nobody accepts this bogus stance in academia and if you do your a laughing stock.

Matthew Engheta You are a liar. Good bye. Then why was Ehrman clueless to the previous 2 centuries worth of criticism starting with the German, French, and Dutch scholarship? Hmmmm........good bye. You're a fraud just like your religion. 3 degrees? Woooop teee dooo.....William Lane Craig has a PhD and a BA and he's full of crap 100% of the time.

humm ... what on earth do you mean by "One Love Queen"?

@@donotcare44 One Love is an Rastafarian expression, basically it means much respect and honor! Hence, my name is Haile Selassie, I was named after the Ethiopian Emperor (The Rastafarian) ! As an, now Atheist who was indoctrinated my entire life by Christians, Acharya is an Queen to me! One Love

@@hailegripshealthfitnessmil7270 Thanks for explaining all of that! I'm sooo glad that you made it out and away from all of that religious crap! High-5!

@@donotcare44 thank you! My children and I are the only Athiest in my family, it's the greatest thing I could've ever done ! One Love

@@hailegripshealthfitnessmil7270 Good job! Have you and your kids seen Zeitgeist part 1? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rtpdpLx1x525k30.html ; )

The JEWISH Bible! And JEWS have no rights to Palestine! Their claim is based on MYTHS!

Take it up with the Smithsonian.

Hey! Sun worship is fun and profitable. The Jewish aspect is regretable though.

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Only problem with that is the Holy land and the birth and death and resurrection of Jesus

Real scientists without some sexual or ego perversion axe to grind know that there is too much in the frequency spectrum we have no way of detecting, that there are not higher forms of life in higher - not foreign - realms. Plus she simply does not know the bible and had no desire to read it accurately. People are stupid, especially when denying the God that gave them brains. You are being ignorant and arrogant about the realities that are graciously described to you by a loving powerful God. She actually says "yadda yadda".. yea very clinical, very professional. LOL

@@ME-ru4hv the quantum field disagrees with you. Core equations and theory complete as of July 2012 when the last particle was discovered...the Higgs field/boson. There is simply no more room for "woo"...Take a class in particle physics, geology and chemistry...just to mention three elements of a good education. You will discover reality.

@@jeanetteyork2582 There are no quantum physics. Isn't it funny that these terms coincide with the rise in computer technology? We ascribe to nature the limited understanding of it based on where we are at the moment. These are the postulations of nerds with blinders on. When you can "quantify" an electromagnetic field than maybe start putting water into that bucket. You cannot quantify reality; light has no speed nor is it a particle because it is a pure energy expressed in truly *continuously* variable frequencies and shapes. Computers that quantify with numbers can only model crude approximations of reality. These truths and the power that belong to them will be handed off to the meek ones who did not blaspheme our wonderful maker who exists in undetectable form for our benefit. See Radiation.

she as a great understanding of nothing

@@ME-ru4hv do you have any evidence for your rather bald assertions? Also... I'd really like to know...have you ever taken a class in physics? Also...if "it" exists in undetectable form...how do we know it's there?

Masked behind the veil of spiritually as the cornerstone of belief.... interesting book though.....

@ Gerald McFarlin > .. and you can't spell

+jaybone23 My sentiments exactly. Her work will live on - and may yet become a cornerstone of the new research. R.I.P. Miss Murdock.

Absolutely right.

Paul does refer to James the brother of the Lord. So he clearly believes in a historical Jesus

Paul refers to Jesus' Last Supper, and mentions James the brother of the Lord, who Josephus also mentions. Mostly likely conclusion is they were real people.

How do you garantee ?

when the evidence presented is falsified, then the claim can be rejected.

Derek Beauchamp God saves everyone he can

2000 and now 2100 does not look too far fetched.

Derek Beauchamp , lol, lol

i agree with all blasphemy against god and jesus you think they would come out and stand up for themselves unless they never existed strange!

adventure is out there ヅ cop out

+JESUS CHRIST! You're right about one thing. She is beautiful.

+JESUS CHRIST! Yep - brilliant and gorgeous. Thank you DM Murdock. We need our own "churches of philosophy", hopefully filled with women like her. The Unitarian Universalists (UUs) are basically that church.

+leatutor She is beautiful BECAUSE she is smart. Beauty is never separated from smartness. I can see you are a fool.

Yes from the No Zone no she's beautiful AND smart. Someone can be ugly and smart. She is beautiful because she is a kind soul NOT because she's smart

True, but she passed away from us some years ago. Maybe you ahe something on the links below. A very interesting and large archive on this kzfaq.infovideos Santos connects astrology with the human body kzfaq.info/sun/PL9oUspkyb4AWVzawrhvw9rFRNzWD6PiOr Kelly explains Revelations kzfaq.info/sun/PLY53H1xfhNhG8YUGPO0TA3tWkQ5pYTKf9

@@a.v.d sorry about it. I just knew it some days ago... She was a great enthusiastic of show us the truth. Thanks a lot.

@@a.v.d by the way...all the work of her was around of December 25 ... exactly when she passed away.... And more than this for some ones 2015 would be the beginning of aquarius age.

+Bill Keon Did you actually read what Dirk Stabins wrote?

Its True What Jesus Claims Are! He Made More claims than That! The Things Jesus said was No Mere Man Claims!

+FingaPrintz1 You are only emphasizing Dirk Stabins argument.

No the Claims Jesus Made! Only God Can Make these Claims

+FingaPrintz1 Too bad Jesus was a false prophet who died before who ever wrote John's Gospel was born. You do understand that there's no good reason to believe the Gospel authors knew Jesus? You really should research who wrote the Bible and not just go on blindly believing things that are not true.

"Please note that I do not concur with Atwill’s Josephus/Flavian thesis vis-a-vis the origin of the canonical gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. There remains no clear, scientific evidence for the emergence of the canonical gospels as we have them until the end of the second century, when they suddenly burst onto the scene with a slew of commentary." Atwill & Acharya interview: A Conversation on the Caesar's Messiah Thesis freethoughtnation.com/contributing-writers/63-acharya-s/729-a-conversation-on-the-caesars-messiah-thesis.html ; )

What happen to her .. Lightning. ?

agreed 100% with you Dan Miller. Carlin was also a visionary and knew how to transmit through humor that insight that Acharya had! I can't get enough of this great woman who was so down to earth, reasonable, temperate and wise...I'm at the end of Christ Conspiracy, and beginning her Suns of God book, have on order Who was Jesus and Did Moses Exist...and hope to be able to afford Christ in Egypt...

George Carlin is my favorite comedian of all time because his humor was based on reality and things as they should really be seen and is extremely funny to this day. Religion is a control mechanism and those that cannot see that must like to be controlled i guess? It is like a prisoner you had locked in chains for many,many years and one day you take off the chains and he does not escape or try to get away.

@@illusion_of_your_delusion well even Jesus said "Know the truth and the truth will set you free"

@@healthyone100 Right and Jesus was anti religion.

@@illusion_of_your_delusion i know Jesus really existed as a man just like me and you the only person he saved was himself and we must do the same!

what an asshole.

Paul knew women were smarter than him and would ruin his campaign of ignorant bliss.

@@bobs182 Christianity would have ended long ago if Jesus ordained women priests. The devil knew why he chose to deceive the woman. We are back to square 1.

I was referring to religious people. I thought it was clear

+henochparks Religion and the PhD: A Brief History www.freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=18804#p18804 ; )

henochparks​​ Your comment is a logical fallacy itself. Philosophy (or Religious philosophy) and logic are not synonyms. Just because some idea is philosophical does not necessarily make it logical. Also, even if you attempt to apply logic to reasoning based upon supernatural beliefs (premises ) it does not make the premises factual and based on evidence. There is no evidence for any supernatural beliefs. Religiously philosophical or not. Its that simple, really. There is no point in explaining logic and concept of evidence to someone who does not value these concepts or value them less than his/her lifestyle attachments/identities and cognition deriving from, and revolving around beliefs (wanting something to be true without evidence).

+Extreme Kaos Your logical fallacy is that you claim that religious people do not value science/logic. Secondly many issues are not of mathematical nature (true or false). When the woman in the video says there are different stories (or details in them) she is totally right. In a simplified, none educated, low scientific logical result one can say that the story isn´t true due to that fact. But what does science actually say? Police investigators KNOW by scientific study that people forget and add details to their stories without lying (that´s how the brain works). I made a simple study that even you can do... I showed students a video about a car accident... I then talked other stuff with them for 5 minutes, and then made a survey of what they had seen in the car accident film. The majority of the students remembered one or more details wrong, like time of day, car color, number of cars in accident, description of the surroundings... and this was 5 minutes after they saw the event. Now if someone interviews these teens (or biblical figures, let´s say 3 or 7 years later) can anyone demand that they would remember ALL the details exactly? NO, not scientifically. Instead, if all the stories were EXACTLY a copy of each other with all details in place (in the bible), one would suggest that they either are copied from ONE external source alone, or copies of each others... making the claim LESS believable. Now we seem to have true stories from several sources, in the actual fact that the stories do differ. Logically this would mean that there is a TRUE CORE in the story, while details may be remembered falsely.

+PjotrII If someone values science more than their personal beliefs, then they would be able to effectively apply scientific method to your own thought process not just your trained professional skill. Therefore they would come to logical conclusion that there are no gods or superstitions due to lack of evidence of any kind. If someone that something is true without evidence (beliefs) , then logically they failed to apply scientific method to their own cognition. If someone is a religious person and also performs some scientific tasks then they are simply categorical thinkers performing trained skill. They are not proper scientists if they are unable or unwilling to apply scientific method to their own cognition. I would call them semi-scientists. There are plenty of them. Christian semi-scientisis, Muslim semi-scientists, Mormon semi-scientists (Jewish, New Age, Truther etc), and so on. About the rest of your comment, I will skip replying, as nowhere in my comments I refered to any of these. I recommend YT video called "Scientific Method Made Easy".