Are These Albums Still 10s? (KIDS SEE GHOSTS & YOU WON'T GET WHAT YOU WANT)

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10 ай бұрын

Talking about two 10s from five years ago.
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@OlofMemester 10 ай бұрын

Kid Cudi has become the first artist to receive a 0, a 10, and an "I dont care". Truly inspirational

@Pigmcginnyrig 10 ай бұрын

He truly can do it all

@TimWhitt 10 ай бұрын

What was the idc?

@teamkockroach4080 10 ай бұрын

it was “The Heist” by Macklemore. Kid Cudi actually ghostwrote the whole thing in a revenge bid to steal a Grammy from Kendrick Lamar.

@TedBilk 10 ай бұрын

@teamkockroach4080 what did kendrick do to cudi?

@bknpnck 10 ай бұрын

@@TimWhitt Check the ending 9:16

@trbld5219 10 ай бұрын

I love how kanye and kid cudi collabed, made an album about mental health, etc and sang "I have my issues ain't that much I could do but peace is something that start with me" and then had beef between each other later .

@AidenAlien 10 ай бұрын

Truly the duality of man

@TheJerbol 10 ай бұрын

2 people who have never chosen peace lmao. Feuding with Lupe Fiasco is a direct line to the trash for me

@-kold 10 ай бұрын

@@TheJerbollupe was the one that never forgave cudi for his mental outburts and still calls him a bitch to this day

@lukeshioshio 10 ай бұрын

So what? The reason why they aren't friends anymore is because Kid Cudi has been friends with Pete Davidson for years and Kanye tried to ruin their friendship. You gotta drop people like that from your life.

@tumultuousv 10 ай бұрын

@@TheJerbollupe was in the wrong.

@coldwar45 10 ай бұрын

It sounds like they’re still 10’s for you but you have no desire to listen to them again or think about them again. I feel that way with several albums I’ve really loved over the years.

@user-dnf83n0s8sg9u 10 ай бұрын

This is the best take

@mxchael_0385 10 ай бұрын

Are they really a 10 if you don't feel like listening to them ever again. That's why I feel like some music listeners really get caught up in the moment, they're not objective and it's fine to a degree. But saying stuff like 'this album is an instant classic' or ' this album is perfect, no skips' tends to be a hyperbole alot and never really pans out as soon as a 2 or 3 months later when it's not even in that persons rotation anymore .

@surdukks2219 10 ай бұрын

@@mxchael_0385 well the difference here is that his desire to not listen to KSG specifically anymore is coming from factors outside of the music/album itself not because he got sick or tired of it. I guess if you REALLY wanted to you could say the outside events are apart of KSG and directly change the meaning of the lyrics/message but IDRC. He makes it sound like if kanye and kid cudi died or vanished from social media entirely after KSG released he would listen to it as much as any other album he thinks is a 10

@mxchael_0385 10 ай бұрын

@surdukks2219 yh but so what, I love the weeknd, Jhené aiko, j cole etc. If they got arrested for a murder or sexual assault or fraud idc, there's some songs I will still listen to regardless. If its a 10/10 , you listen to it regardless cos it's just that good.

@FabianEllis 10 ай бұрын

@@mxchael_0385it makes it fundamentally less enjoyable for me to listen to an album by a bad person. Because deep down I feel sorry for that bad person and wish they hadn’t done the bad things they did, so am thinking about that rather than just enjoying it even if it’s a good album.

@leandru7 10 ай бұрын

This video released just as I was wondering why Kids See Ghosts wasn't included in his list of the best rap albums of the 2010s. Glad I might see an answer lol, didn't think I would

@totlyepic 10 ай бұрын

I can't remember exactly where (the end-of-year list for 2018, maybe?), but I'm pretty sure he's said that he's cooled on it since it released.

@Hamid-ve6zw 10 ай бұрын

another reason is he probably didn't want to classify it strictly as a rap album it pulls from so many different genres

@elliottrusso7351 10 ай бұрын

@@Hamid-ve6zwonly someone who only listens to rap would say this

@dancerarinz556 10 ай бұрын

@@totlyepicOn his albums of the decade list, KSG got 7th, while Charli and This Is Happening, which both got 9's, got 6th and 5th respectively.

@ianstratton 10 ай бұрын

I assumed it was because it's closer to being an EP than a full album.

@gramolapietro2491 10 ай бұрын

I look at KSG as a "what could have been" where we got a kanye that was actually taking care of his mental health and asking forgiveness and taking accountability for his actions

@finnthekreatormusic5397 10 ай бұрын

True and considering that his future stuff aside of maybe Donda didn't ever get to that same level of Quality and lack of toxicity, it really feels like one last glimmer of College Dropout to Mbtf Kanye, the one we all loved, the sane charming but still confident Kanye It's a sad album because of what he became really

@andrei11dr 10 ай бұрын

That's what happens when you decide to not get any help for mental health and just really on religion instead, honestly all the yes-man around him that didn't do anything to help him deserve just as much ire as he does

@t0pper8 2 ай бұрын

@@andrei11drhe abandoned his religion now and is arguably the craziest he’s ever been 🤷‍♂️

@maynardwayward12 10 ай бұрын

I'm not surprised about Daughters at all, though this is my first time hearing about it. I remember seeing them in a small venue around 2008. The singer was groping women's breasts. There was no indication of sexual assault. But it's not something you usually see at a punk/indie gig for a reason, and left people uncomfortable. I've had weird vibes about that dude ever since their music came out, and I do like that last album they did.

@archiewall124 10 ай бұрын

Sounds like R Kelly

@gregwilson6636 10 ай бұрын

Arent you lucky that you used to get out of your middleclass suburban home! Did your Dad give you 40bucks to go out that weekend? Did you ask for a refund because you were so offended? Lucky you didnt go to see GGAllin and cop a turd to the face methinks

@imrippingthefuckingheadoff 10 ай бұрын

And that video of him around the same time I think, it's on KZfaq, of Alexis pulling "it" out and wrapping it around the microphone stand and stuff lmao. Then fleeing because someone called the cops and the entire band is left sitting there like haha alright I guess that happened, and the set was over.

@rpemulis 9 ай бұрын

@@imrippingthefuckingheadoff i saw him do this in a coffee shop in teh middle of rural illinois playing to a crowd of like 10 people tops. maybe 2003? whatever it was a good set.

@vandalg282 5 ай бұрын

Groping tits and signing them, is common with all bands. From Gene Simmons to Kanye, its par for the course. Now saying your husband graped you, yet you stayed in the relationship and have millions of dollars to sue him....is hard to believe. Especially when you see she has a giant chest tatt, and collects horror figurines...sounds like they were both fked. Doesn't matter either way, good music is good music.....so whatever it takes for them to get there.

@benturner3548 10 ай бұрын

The biggest thing for me with YWGWYW is it's so hard to separate this particular piece of art from the actions of it's writer. Paranoia, aggression, addiction, nihilism. These are things he was accused of doing to a person. I think that's what makes it harder to listen to, for me, than KSG.

@maurice7002 10 ай бұрын

@@justsomejusstsome8994weird ass thing to say

@justsomejusstsome8994 10 ай бұрын

@@maurice7002 Yea it kinda is lol Ima delete that

@MegaJayboy17 10 ай бұрын

Who did he do that to

@RadishShifu 10 ай бұрын

@@maurice7002 what did he say

@nihan420 10 ай бұрын

@@MegaJayboy17 Lingua Ignota

@username-1999 10 ай бұрын

you gave mbdtf a 10 and ksg is now a 6?!

@drewallen5444 10 ай бұрын

@elpoodoo3099 10 ай бұрын

It’s at least somewhat of a better take 😂😂

@Okmanl 10 ай бұрын

Rating KSG higher than Atrocity Exhibition by Danny Brown was an L take.

@nicolaslucero141 8 ай бұрын

@@OkmanlI kinda feel like they should both be a 9 imo

@ydije_plum 10 ай бұрын

After kristin statement got published, I don't even understand how someone can listen to the Daughters album. I remember sometime around last year I wanted to listen to it and when I listened his lyrics and I put them in context, it went from being a dark and twisted experience to an unbearebly gross trip to the mind of an abuser

@memphiskash 10 ай бұрын

yeah and the fact that Kristin is dropping her stage name and completely reinventing her image just to distance herself from her trauma and the shit Al*xis put her thru speaks alot to how fucked up of a human that dude is

@godnotavailable2094 10 ай бұрын

Those things are one and the same. Pretty hard to make a severely dark and twisted experience without being a severely dark and twisted person yourself. Pretty sure Michael Gira has allegations as well and his music is fucking horrifying.

@franciscofarias6385 10 ай бұрын

I mean, independently of what the composer actually do in his life those were always real disturbing feelings one might have, if the person singing them actually feels them is kinda irrelevant to the morality of listening. I 100% get it if you're not comfortable listening to it anymore, but to me it keeps being a truly amazing work.

@ydije_plum 10 ай бұрын

@@godnotavailable2094 While I agree that is logical that an album like that one had to come out of someone that reflects the expression, you can feel the same fear, paranoia and helplessness withouth necesarilly have commited the crime he commited. It's a fine line but it makes a difference (at least in the listening experiencie). Didn't know Michael Gira had allegations as well.

@cc3230 10 ай бұрын

@@godnotavailable2094that’s kind of a stereotype. You can make challenging, dark music and not be abusive. Is there a correlation? Yes, but correlation and causation are not the same

@ANDR3alfaro 10 ай бұрын

Kids See Ghosts and Daughters both getting 10s was the Barbenheimer of 2018.

@Ismael-kc3ry 4 ай бұрын

Doom Eternal x Animal Crossing

@daboomchakalaka7898 10 ай бұрын

Daughters was so dark that I’m almost not surprised the lead creator is kinda evil

@lesryglrhfohser 10 ай бұрын

U think Lingua was innocent? Her music is pretty fucking dark too, she’s probably evil also. Abusive relationships are usually two ways.

@WiloPolis03 10 ай бұрын

I love the one meme from r/indieheadscirclejerk that was something like "Daughters fans separating the art from the artist while listening to an album made by an abuser about abusing people"

@gwen6622 10 ай бұрын

yeah like clearly he was not okay. the album spoke to me at the time because i was also not okay, but like... you know, in hindsight, there are different kinds of not okay, lol. it's one thing to be tortured and depressed but it's another thing to be basically writing songs about how fucked up and abusive you are. not directly, mind you, but when you view a LOT of the lyrics on that album through this lens.... things fall into place. he's probably not proud of his actions and it shows, and like yeah dude, you shouldnt be, but maybe dont write songs about it. get some help.

@randomavenger3048 10 ай бұрын

People get evil when they don't get what they want.

@gwen6622 10 ай бұрын

@@randomavenger3048 insensitive joke

@berkeleyisonline160 10 ай бұрын

kristin's impact statement is one of the most harrowing things ive ever read. what she was put through was fucking horrific

@Nick-ft4dk 10 ай бұрын

ikr. its so sad. i hope shes doing ok

@marquesdorman5361 10 ай бұрын

what happened

@recipoldinasty 9 ай бұрын

Wait, they are allegations, some claim they were both toxic so idk

@Viibeezz 9 ай бұрын

@@recipoldinastyehhhhhhhh this is an L take lol

@felipedenis8709 9 ай бұрын

@@Viibeezzwell it's true tho, we may never know what really happen, just the two of them 🤷🏻‍♂️, but I really hope someone take FM to court so he can be investigated

@jgrizzyy 10 ай бұрын

Cudi being punished by Anthony for Kanye being crazy

@mattb121395 10 ай бұрын

That’s the worst part about it. Cudi has publicly stated he didn’t agree with Kanye’s bullshit and some of the best music he’s ever made gets looked down upon because of it

@puncturedbicycle7264 10 ай бұрын

I’d still consider KSG a ten. It’s Kanye and Cudi’s best work in a long time. They brought out the best in each other creating a unique portrait of their relationship and struggles. I have personal connection with that album being that it reignited my love for hip-hop and it got me through tough times. And lastly I’d it’s a Momento from a better time, a future that we could have but it all slipped away.

@comedysyrup 10 ай бұрын

Timestamps: Preamble - 0:00 Album reviews - 9:11

@Gyl_. 10 ай бұрын

Awesome comment

@randomsomeguy156 10 ай бұрын

Do this on every channel video please 🥰

@josephjohnphillips2535 10 ай бұрын

Is The Big Day still a 10???

@G_FRE 10 ай бұрын

@nikita_soloviev 10 ай бұрын

It's just bigday/10, and always will be

@billhicks8 10 ай бұрын

you can really tell who is like 15/16 years old max by these kind of comments

@acidbog 10 ай бұрын

I haven't listened to Daughters since I read Kristin's statement. Loved the music, but I feel incredibly uneasy knowing that they all knew what was going on and chose to look the other way.

@danielgaldamesorellana5871 3 ай бұрын

Same thing here

@MattsThere 10 ай бұрын

I relate to this when talking about slowthai’s UGLY from this year. Absolutely loved the record from its release and had it up pretty high in my favorite albums of the year. Then the allegations came out and because of how personal and deep that record was, what was happening on the outside in regards to the artist himself was very distracting and contradictory to everything he was expressing on UGLY. I have conflicted feelings on the record now until further updates are provided. I agree with a lot of the comments here though, the separating the art from the artist argument definitely varies from case to case.

@IntenseCircumstances 10 ай бұрын

I feel the same way about UGLY as well. Loved the record, but as you said, once the allegations came out.. It really skews your experience with the record & how you feel about slowthai himself. Then again, the allegations were from a period of time before UGLY may have even been conceived/thought of. Perhaps His past caught up maybe when he was making honest efforts to be a better person? Who knows. I just hope none of it is true.

@yidas-builds 10 ай бұрын

I totally agree. For some reason, with Slowthai & UGLY specifically, I really struggle to separate art of artist. It was my AOTY and on repeat for weeks when it came out, but since the charges/allegations have surfaced, I never listen to it. I even skip songs from it when they come on shuffle, it just makes me feel, icky? Yet there are other artists I have no problem separating art from artist. Weird.

@anonymouscommenter8520 10 ай бұрын

Yeah, I have trouble separating the art from the artist in slowthai’s case and I think that’s because before the allegations, I really liked his personality and related to him personally having grown up in a poorer environment in the UK, I wasn’t only attached to the art, but the artist himself and that makes me not want to listen to him anymore because it doesnt feel the same. The allegations also make the opening line of HAPPY really gross which bothers me a lot

@bigjuice2623 7 ай бұрын

What were the slowthai allegations?

@yidas-builds 7 ай бұрын

@@bigjuice2623 2 counts of r@pe

@marcusmclean132 10 ай бұрын

Wow 5 whole years of me saying "I should check out that Daughters album soon, Fantano gave it a 10"

@G_FRE 10 ай бұрын

Definitely just leave it alone lol

@omgkthxbi 10 ай бұрын

fuck man Daughters (their first album when they were grindcore) was the band that first got me and my bff to bond when we were 16. I had no idea about any of the allegations until this video.

@tumultuousv 10 ай бұрын

@@omgkthxbirip

@mackereltacos2850 10 ай бұрын

@@G_FRE

@G_FRE 10 ай бұрын

@@mackereltacos2850 the entire album feels like this emoji

@sqyx93 10 ай бұрын

3:10 why did you abbreviate kids see ghosts they have the same amount of syllables

@GenesisJames 10 ай бұрын

I had the same response to the Daughters record. Loved it when it came out, but man, it's just... hard to separate it from the artist when its so personal and knowing how bad his actions were. If it was some rando member that they kicked out after the accusations, that's one thing, but when it's the lead singer and frontman... that's pretty much the end of that. I actually went through this before with a Korean band called Drug Restaurant. They had a super cool and moody rock sound, and I thought they were gonna be one of my new favorite Korean artists... until it came out that their lead singer was heavily involved with the Burning Sun scandal from a few years back. Kept my CD just for history's sake like I did with the Daughters album, but I haven't listened to them since.

@MinnieBlues4444 10 ай бұрын

Yep

@oliverquick3405 10 ай бұрын

To some somgs i still listen,but more as a reminder and as some kind of blunt and disgusting confession, and straight after that, as a let's say "fitting" answer i listen to lingua ignota. It's perverse, but it's a perfect example of what humans are capable of,or simply what they are.

@nathanieledwards7150 10 ай бұрын

City song, Satan in the wait, the flammable man, and of course guest house will never leave my playlists. But, I also listen to Charles Manson unironically. If you choose to not listen that is your right and I totally get it though. We all have our own paths to plow thru. Carry on

@bruh......2005 10 ай бұрын

Daughters is honestly one of the few bands I can separate the art from the artist. And honestly I don't blame anyone that can't, the serious allegatitons combined with the many questionable lyrical undertones that in retrospective have aged horribly............ But man, even with that YWGWYW and S/T still hold a special place in my heart and are albums I still listen to this day. I don't think I will ever find band that really makes take all the anger out while making me question my existence like Daughters. Till this day I'm still horrified by Marshall's action, but I'm not gonna pretend like He isn't one of my fav frontman musically ever

@bluelagoon5235 10 ай бұрын

I've been a fan of Daughters since 2003, but after hearing about everything about Alexis and all his terrible behavior, I can't listen to their music in his conscience anymore. After reading Lingua Ignota's writing about everything she went through, I haven't been able to touch anything by them since

@sarvagyakaushik7976 10 ай бұрын

Chat Pile and Model/Actriz are good substitutes for Daughters.

@tackycardia 10 ай бұрын

Chat Pile has nearly filled the noise rock shaped hole in my heart

@swingAE86 10 ай бұрын

I can confirm the guys in chat pile are the sweetest men ever.

@spookysilly668 10 ай бұрын

I love Chat Pile but it's just not comparable

@GENXJOPLIN 10 ай бұрын

Christ on a stick my babushka were your parents siblings? The vocal styles are where the similarities begin and end

@honeycomblord9384 10 ай бұрын

KEN Mode is another band if you want that sort of sound

@whatisyoutube600 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for speaking on this. Kristin’s impact statement about Alexis is so horrific I don’t care to listen to any Daughters’ material ever again, and I was once a big fan. I’ve filled the Daughters void pretty easily though, with bands with a similar energy and sound like The Jesus Lizard, Chat Pile, and The Birthday Party (who were obviously a huge influence on Daughters). If anyone has any other recs comment 👇

@bluelagoon5235 10 ай бұрын

I was a fan of Daughters for close to 20 years, and then I heard about the allegations and read Kristin's writings and interviews about what she went through, and I haven't listened to them since. Hearing and reading about her ordeal made me feel sick to my stomach. I sincerely do hope she's been able to find healing after all the horror she had to go through

@kelleyreeves965 10 ай бұрын

I bet anyone who was a fan of YWGWYW would like at least a couple of songs off of Model/Actriz's debut album Dogsbody that came out earlier this year. Similar noisy intensity yet insanely danceable too. I'd actually say that in my experience Model/Actriz was a better live experience than Daughters

@gwen6622 10 ай бұрын

@@kelleyreeves965 dogsbody is so good, completely agree

@htgfrds 10 ай бұрын

i recommend people actually read the full statement by kristin. It's pretty nuts, i can't imagine ever enjoying listening to someone like that (daughters frontman)

@GuyWhoLikesTheSnarkies1435 10 ай бұрын

If you like The Jesus Lizard as well as Daughters' early math/grindcore stuff, I highly recommend you to listen to Dazzling Killmen and Craw. You may also like Japanese prog/noise drummer Tatsuya Yoshida who's been a part of the noise scene for a long time, I recommend you check his projects such as Ruins, Koenjihyakkei and Korekyojinn. These bands are unique for incorporating progressive instrumental palettes over the base noise composition in a very interesting way.

@JoelVega 10 ай бұрын

It's not that I can't separate art from the artist and this past year I enjoyed listening to some of Kanye's songs but it's just not the same as it was before, it's especially true for his last few albums that focused on mental health, family & faith. it's much easier to have a good time listening to his classics as it completely feels like something from the distant past that has been solidified as a classic.

@mikekasabion 10 ай бұрын

As I have always put it, there’s a difference between Kayne West, and Ye…

@korontos9038 10 ай бұрын

@@mikekasabion kayne

@apostlep 10 ай бұрын

how??💀 yall are acting like kanye is trying to end the world, kanye has and will always be controversial and if you can’t handle that listen to someone else

@sebc.416 10 ай бұрын

@@apostlepthat is what they are doing lol?

@Guanjyn 10 ай бұрын

When I first put on that Daughters album, I thought you were smoking crack to give it a 10 but after I listened to the whole thing from start to finish, I could see why you did.

@c0ggg 10 ай бұрын

I think the daughters record is unique because the lyrics are so frightening evil and insane and finding out there not like a extra character there actual actions of Alexis and it turns the album from unsettling to outright evil and disgusting.

@elijahanderson7353 10 ай бұрын

I had the same thing with Kanye but I've gotten back into him a decent bit, but man the daughters thing is a different level for me. Like I can't at all revisit the daughters record

@leohickey4424 10 ай бұрын

This is the same take I have. The Alexis situation is on a whole different level. Kanye is fully to blame for his hateful behavior, and it has certainly has material consequences, but such unabashedly evil, life ruining and violent domestic abuse puts you far above any level of attention-seeking hate speech. The Ye situation has me torn about listening to his music sometimes, sure, but I could solidly never listen to YWGWYW again.

@Amaling 10 ай бұрын

It’s probably because Kanye material I’d argue doesn’t have anything to do with the fucked up shit he’s done, but Daughters album quite literally have abusive lyrical content

@elijahanderson7353 10 ай бұрын

@@leohickey4424 I think that's a big part of it for sure. Plus a part of me wonders if Kanye says the dumb horrible things for attention and other crap but with daughters they did those disgusting things and the album in a way seems like they brag about it and it's just really weird.

@billhicks8 10 ай бұрын

@@Amaling does it though? I've looked through the lyrics and it just seems like abstract existential dread and regret. I guess it's people putting together why the singer feels that way to write what they did, but it doesn't exactly map one-to-one with any actual things that occurred...

@tonzurakoite1768 Ай бұрын

Yeah, its a 10/10 for me, but after I read the impact statement I could never listen to it again.

@navdalmia6488 10 ай бұрын

You’ll always be a 10 to me Anthony

@Z3in_ 10 ай бұрын

🍆🚴‍♂️

@hichicon4953 10 ай бұрын

Light 6

@db7467 10 ай бұрын

glazing

@babytuckoo 10 ай бұрын

KSG but by Nav and DaBaby called Nav Sees DaBaby and it’s a picture of Nav looking at a young black child

@hichicon4953 10 ай бұрын

That would go hard

@bugbear89 10 ай бұрын

I also can't listen to either anymore. And I was a huge Daughters fan. But people think it's like suddenly you go "Nope! They did something bad and I have to stop listening or I'll look bad too!" No. I have values and things that I know are straight up unforgivable. We all fuck up sometimes. But being antisemitic or violent to women isn't just a fuck up. Even if they made apologies and did things to somehow back track their actions people are not obligated to give them another chance just because they're artists. I know plenty of people who, like myself, have gone through darkness and find release by expressing artistically. Nothing wrong with that. But Alexis chose to also make his darkness everyone else's problem in and that's where I have to say "fuck you".

@thewisemanpaul 10 ай бұрын

Get off your high horse you aren't better than anyone else

@billhicks8 10 ай бұрын

@@thewisemanpaul I can bet you they are better than Alexis

@xenpink Ай бұрын

i know this is an old video but i really appreciate the honesty here. all the losers in the comments claiming "death of the author" to justify their enjoyment of these albums are missing the point; sometimes an artist ruins their own art for you. with a platform like yours, it's both mature and responsible of you to admit these albums' vibes have changed in your eyes (ears?) i loved that KSG record when it dropped, but im also in that position where i don't think i'll really ever spin it again because of how sour it's optimistic energy is knowing kanye went on to do some really awful stuff

@corychristopherson5883 10 ай бұрын

I've always felt like an apology is kind of an insincere gesture. Applogies can be faked. Sincerity can be faked. I do agree that its important to acknowledge ones own wrongdoings but hell man think about somebody like Chris D'elia's apology. It seemed way sincere but clearly it sort of made way for him to keep doing all that heinous shit

@kaydenjones3183 10 ай бұрын

It sucks that you think that because they shouldn’t be lol. Just goes to show how scummy celebs are i guess

@MysteryMustache 10 ай бұрын

Kids See Ghosts is my favorite Kanye shit ever. In my head, there exists an alternate reality where Kanye and Cudi are the greatest duo of all time.

@GonzoCiosain 10 ай бұрын

It's a transmission from the Good Timeline for sure, I feel like we've been in the Bad Timeline for about a decade now.

@robbed1994 10 ай бұрын

Yes, and Travis ACTUALLY fulfills his role as the rightful successor to the thrown 😂😂

@hzrnvm_ 3 ай бұрын

@@robbed1994*throne

@robbed1994 3 ай бұрын

@@hzrnvm_ 🙏

@themawofacamar 10 ай бұрын

no matter how good i may still find YWGWYW, it’s fuck daughters forever for what their lead singer did to lingua ignota. whole album soured for me when i heard about that shit

@yiit2925 9 ай бұрын

The Daughters album is straight up masterpiece, still couldn't listen anything that aggressive, nihilist and at the same time awesome and productionwise perfect.

@maxparsons8655 10 ай бұрын

Slowthai is also someone whose music is difficult to listen to now. I'd enjoyed his three albums, but some of the content feels very real in light of his current situation.

@dclarkmusic 10 ай бұрын

I can’t stomach listening to Daughters after what happened, as much as I love their music. The lyrical content is just so directly tied to the behavior that I just can’t ignore it

@ultra3755 10 ай бұрын

Respectfully disagree. Not being able to enjoy music cause of what the person who made it did is some of the softest shit I've ever heard of

@vinceeager8553 10 ай бұрын

@@ultra3755I can't listen to Lostprophets anymore because it reminds me of what Ian Watkins did, and I don't want to think about that. I think that's perfectly reasonable, as is not wanting to listen to Daughters for similar reasons

@ultra3755 10 ай бұрын

@@vinceeager8553 if certain music makes you think of something that makes you uncomfortable therefore you can't listen to it I can somewhat understand. I just think the idea of "omg this artist did something terrible I'm never listening to that awful music again🤮" is cancerous.

@Pineboxdoggo 10 ай бұрын

Differently gives a whole new level of unease listening to the record now

@arielpagliero9619 10 ай бұрын

@@ultra3755normalize being soft.

@ST4T1C330 10 ай бұрын

Cant believe you raised your score for both of those albums to 20s! That’s why your the best critic of the century :D

@hyjaph 10 ай бұрын

hello st4t1c.

@AugustRx 10 ай бұрын

you're*, right?

@riley6171 10 ай бұрын

omg ive seen u on aoty hiiiiiii

@WarDoctor42 10 ай бұрын

niche internet microcelebrity spotted

@GVRswag 10 ай бұрын

no way its static

@AtomicPancake 10 ай бұрын

Looking good, dude. Keep it up!

@qtf0x 10 ай бұрын

What does Melon mean by "formerly known as" Lingua Ignota? Is she done with that project or something?

@alexddragame 10 ай бұрын

Yes, she now makes music as Reverend Kristin Michael Hayter. Lingua Ignota as a project is put to bed iirc

@radical6905 10 ай бұрын

Kanye really out Morrissey'd Morrissey in the 'how much of a khunt can you be in comparison to the greatness of your music' stakes

@jacobringenwald 10 ай бұрын

You have said before that you rate music based on enjoyment, and if something affects that the way you enjoy an album then it makes sense that you would re-evaluate them like you do in this video.

@JustaRandomGuy890 10 ай бұрын

There might be a curse that Tony gives to his 10/10. Zach Hill might kill somebody soon

@unhelpfulrevelations7989 10 ай бұрын

I think there was some recent gossip surrounding Andy Morin and his ex-girlfriend, but it didn't really turn into anything. Kinda like that Spreadie Gibbs shit. Hopefully it checks the box for DG and we never have to hear some awful shit

@nashcasler7789 10 ай бұрын

Can’t believe it’s been 5 years. Feels like kids see ghosts came out yesterday.

@123rtXd 10 ай бұрын

kids see ghosts sometimes kids see ghosts

@MatchaCutie14 10 ай бұрын

I listened to it for the first time last year (I know, I'm late) its still my favorite album of all time.

@CadeoradeXD 10 ай бұрын

Albums? 10's. Artists? Not so much

@rohumzaman9742 9 ай бұрын

I understand what you mean but KSG was not Kanye's album. I would argue it was more Cudi's as I felt it was more focused on Cudi journey and struggles with mental health. I know kanye is in a bad spot in his career, but Cudi should not suffer especially since he and Kanye dont have a relationship anymore. listen to the album man.

@SanVanSkater 10 ай бұрын

Do you feel the same about Arcade Fire now, last three records aside? I saw one of your TikToks where you were more negative on Funeral than in the past

@finnthekreatormusic5397 10 ай бұрын

It really sucks because this year I checked out Funeral for the first time and it really resonated with me, it's a brilliant album But yeah the allegations do make me not want to stream the music too much or go to a life show: it kinda sucks Same thing with Kanye

@SanVanSkater 10 ай бұрын

@@finnthekreatormusic5397 I love all of their records,. absolutely my favourite band. It's rough

@gag5642 10 ай бұрын

Good take, i saw Daughters live on the ywgwyw tour and bought a shirt and I don't even feel comfortable wearing it in public anymore due to this shit. Its a really awkward and uncomfortable situation as a fan.

@kelleyreeves965 10 ай бұрын

Same, I have two Daughters shirts that I'd like to get rid of but am concerned that I wouldn't be able to find someone to give them to

@gag5642 10 ай бұрын

@@kelleyreeves965 I just use mine as a sleep shirt now. Fuck Alexis Marshall, sucks for his band mates too but theyve been awfully quiet on this whole thing so idk

@gag5642 10 ай бұрын

@@kelleyreeves965 just read Kristen hayters full 7000 word statement and decided to throw the shirt in the trash shits really bad . As a survivor of mental and physical abuse myself i can't feel right wearing a shirt platforming someone like that.

@billhicks8 10 ай бұрын

I feel this way about Neurosis, another extreme band I adored, with an undeniably bad person in it.

@martynsharman1735 10 ай бұрын

ywgwyw is a masterpiece, but can't bring myself to listen to it anymore.

@MathcoreIndex 10 ай бұрын

Was curious about your updated perspective on YWGWYW, definitely can’t listen to Daughters with the same ear now myself

@zer0953 10 ай бұрын

ive had existential crisis back in 2018 and its same now, dude being accused of something changes absolutely nothing for me, i dont even known the guy, im here for the music, ofc its horrible what he's done ,but i relate to pointlessness and existential dread that album is about

@_kenny7878 9 ай бұрын

Bro this popped up on my feed and maybe my humor is fucked but that shit made me laugh out loud 💀 i fw u for representing boldy✊🏽

@Gelly6987 10 ай бұрын

I think there is a genuine difference between art that can be considered offensive and an artist who is fundamentally a horrible human being. People often have to check their morality at the door with most form of celebrities and their art but when an artist crosses a certain line it does detract any enjoyment of that art (on an individual basis). In some more extreme examples, despite like some of their music and it being a whole band and not one individual, I cannot listen to Lost Prophets. Even tracks I used to particularly enjoy have been forever tainted because I cannot help but be reminded of what Ian Watkins did just in hearing his voice. Apply that to Kevin Spacey films etc.

@PinkSheepification 10 ай бұрын

Holy fucking shit. I'm not one for getting very involved in the lives of the celebrities I enjoy, so it's not uncommon for me to be blind sided by info about info pertaining to them. But knowing that Sinner Be Ready is influenced by experience with abuse is insane to me. Not surprising, it makes so much sense in retrospect, but as a fellow victim of abuse my deep love of that project takes on a whole new meaning to me. I'm genuinely at a loss for words

@andrewfuentes1632 10 ай бұрын

Loved this. I had no idea about the daughters stuff but have wondered how you felt about KSG

@HoboBrute 10 ай бұрын

I tried to listen to liberation transmission not long ago, which was one of my favorite albums in Highschool and honestly it was still kinda hard. I absolutely love some of the songs on there still, but even with Watkins in prison, it felt weird. Idk, hoping I can listen to it in peace when he finally bites the bullet

@farfle10 10 ай бұрын

What that guy did is so beyond most 'cancellations' entering into the depravity the likes of serial killers that I do not know how you could even entertain listening to any of it

@HoboBrute 10 ай бұрын

@@farfle10 honestly, was a test of separating the art from the artist, and while in the abstract, there were songs I enjoyed and had nostalgia and good feelings towards, I ultimately couldn't do it. I spent a lot of time asking myself if I could have gotten through it if he hadn't been lead vocals, but I think that being front and center really makes it un-doable, at least for me. The rest of the band went on and made some decent tracks once he was behind bars, so I'll stick with those for now

@zander3943 10 ай бұрын

i’ve never understood your insane hype of kids see ghosts, it’s great but no more than an 8 for me. you won’t get what you want is still one of the most haunting, surprising, dark, and catchy albums i’ve ever heard. 10/10

@WilliamSussman 10 ай бұрын

I agree, feel the love is much stronger than really all the other tracks to me

@zander3943 10 ай бұрын

@@WilliamSussmanyes, every talks about reborn but feel the love is such a banger

@FriedrichNietzsche85 10 ай бұрын

I always understood the 10 rating. It's flawless for me. Every instrumental is incredible and it pulls from such a wide range of genres in a really creative way with such great execution. Song topics are personal and conceptual, Kanye and Cudi both have amazing performances, rapping and singing, and the features are great. Best thing Kanye's ever done in my opinion.

@kemarcusdepay1853 10 ай бұрын

I always thought the album doesn’t hit hard enough. With more distortion and powerful bass lines the album’s aggressive nature would come to the front. I listen to a song like freeee and I’m left wanting more. If it had a kind of Pinkerton/ ITAOTS type distortion on drums I would understand the hype. Overall good songs but mid production.

@daysfnm9663 10 ай бұрын

It’s pretty sad knowing that these two records received critical acclaim, got 10s, and both are surrounded by people that have done such terrible things. Truly disappointing

@peopleperson 10 ай бұрын

ok?

@randomname6475 10 ай бұрын

@@peoplepersonYou added less to the conversation than they did. You should be more direct. Do you disagree? Thing it shouldn't matter?

@enochannor6550 10 ай бұрын

@@user-us2cl5lr7z Bro kanye has a history of complaining about racism enacted on him and the black community, but now hateful behaviour is just some words? It's so funny how fast ya'll become racist just because an artist you like makes music lmao. You have the moral backbone of a squid, degenerate behaviour.

@mauricioandres7470 10 ай бұрын

I mean its not the first time it happens and wont be the last, Lou Reed was terrible and mysogine but TVU and Nico is a masterpiece, David Bowie had intercourse with a minor and made 10/10 albums

@Magic7ball 10 ай бұрын

i have news for you that more than two amazing albums have been made by terrible people

@lauinka 10 ай бұрын

I get your point and all but I would’ve liked some musical takes rather cause although you do that on the best level in your reviews they are all mostly (regardless of the time listening) recent takes and hearing your musical opinion 5 years later would’ve been interesting

@theaurawizard 10 ай бұрын

5:43 Melon dissing himself 😭😭. Was wondering why KSG had been absent on your most recent best hip hop albums lists, including the one with NFR. Thanks for the explanation 🍈!

@midwestrogen6569 10 ай бұрын

Honestly incredibly well spoken, Anthony. More people should be like you in terms of this.

@uglyaniimals 10 ай бұрын

memes aside, i appreciate the hell out of you for making this video. i've had my own similar thoughts on this and hate how dismissive a lot of folks are abt the idea of finding an album that's basically a horror movie in music form and and an album abt transcendent self growth harder to listen to when the people who made them turn out to be a serial abuser and a raging antisemite, respectively, esp when this same crowd seemed super quick to turn on lizzo when less bad (but still awful in its own right) shit came out abt her. at the end of the day it's a complex scenario with no right or wrong answer, but it genuinely seems like your heart is in the right place and i appreciate the hell out of you for making this sort of statement knowing that there's a large chunk of people who are gonna disagree with your take on it

@icehot900 9 ай бұрын

uhh buddy you forgot to add "Unsubscribed and reported" to the end. Hope this helps you fit better into the comment section!

@bowbow77 10 ай бұрын

Was looking at the Corey Feldman record noticed all the artists in FFO we definitely there and related from you, Danny brown swans, death grips, daughters, Doug walker, black midi, microphones. Maybe it’s from a playlist of songs from your review. Thought it was funny.

@Harveygregorxotwod 10 ай бұрын

Kid Cudi: What he saying fuck me for?

@Evan8506 10 ай бұрын

yeah. the kanye/cudi situation makes my stomach turn because kids see ghosts is one of my favorite albums of all time

@straightXjessedge 10 ай бұрын

I have the same experience with YWGWYW. That album already made me feel uncomfortable in a good way, but now with the context it just makes me feel uncomfortable in a bad way. I feel the same about Hell Songs and the self-titled as well now (Canada Songs just didn't have the same tone as they other albums).

@tombrophy6288 10 ай бұрын

This is also the case with Sun Kil Moon as you did give both Benji and Common as Light and Love Are Red Valleys Of Blood a 9/10 but since the allegations that have come out against Mark Kozelek, you have pretty much stopped talking about him and his music. And that's okay, if you are off putted with listening to his music because of that. Same goes with Ariel Pink.

@kaiser371 9 ай бұрын

I'm a Kanye fan, through and through. His beliefs don't reflect mine, so I can let it slide. The most his lunacy does for me is make it hard for me to defend being a Kanye fan and make me feel bad for him because someone as old as Kanye should be past this petty shit

@jrandaman989 10 ай бұрын

Can i just say the melon has one of my favorite communities online. The discussion of whether or not you can seperate art from the artist, financially supporting said artists and whether or not fantano had an obligation to no longer platform these artist is an incredibly nuanced and complicated subject and these talking points so often get conflated with each other its just so refreshing to see a discussion about this subject without the bad faith and straw man arguments

@goddamndog 10 ай бұрын

Sorry, no, you can't say

@eltonwebb5530 10 ай бұрын

The whole Daughters stuff is so heartbreaking. When YWGWYW came out, it was genuinely therapeutic for me. It was so perfect for letting out stress in an especially stressful time of my life. Now, knowing what we know, it feels like abuse from the perspective of the abuser which makes it difficult to engage with to say the least. Fuck Alexis Marshall. I wish nothing but the worst for him.

@theo8370 10 ай бұрын

I’d be curious if you have these same thoughts about “to be kind”, given the allegations against Michael Gira.

@legokidfister3335 10 ай бұрын

We need a 'Good Lookin' - Dixon Dallas Review

@obzzidian94 10 ай бұрын

This doesn’t change the fact that IDLES’ “Joy As An Act Of Resistance” is the best album of 2018 and the best album of the decade.

@heckicusdoomicuswizardus1382 10 ай бұрын

"The group claim that vulnerability is their armour, where exactly is all of this vulnerability? It’s as if the lyrics have been generated by a Guardian designed algorithm, every red button issue of the day systematically addressed in the most predictable way imaginable. Nothing all that personal is ever laid on the table. I don’t feel like I learn anything about Joe Talbot by listening to Joe Talbot. The easiest way to gain popularity online of course, is simply to regurgitate what everybody else already believes. It’s in this way we’ve ended up in a freefall where meaningful self-expression is concerned. Terrified of making a wrong step in a world where people are regularly hung out to dry for not having the right beliefs, the right points of view, we have left ourselves marooned in a monoculture, and I purport that IDLES are the indie rock manifestation of this depressing trend." - Lias Saoudi (Fat White Family)

@obzzidian94 10 ай бұрын

@@heckicusdoomicuswizardus1382 🤓☝

@Huntly23 10 ай бұрын

As someone who adores kids see ghosts and loves how it has made a impact to my life, I still really enjoy the album. With that being said what Kanye has done is awful and clearly incredibly stupid, but it’s tough for me to stop listening to a guy that I grew up with and has consistently been in my top 5 most listened to artists from year to year. I just don’t know how to feel man 😢

@-nomi.- 10 ай бұрын

the good an album does you can be more than the bad it does listening it. idk if a good album from a bad person helps you be a better person for listening to it, do your thing. grew up dealing with racism, hate the shit he said, still listen even to ye

@SUcC.. 10 ай бұрын

Kanye still valid ion care

@OakQueso 10 ай бұрын

nothing wrong with listening to him

@id1550 10 ай бұрын

I don’t really care whether Kanye is on his Nazi arc or not, I just want to listen to good music!

@libanscekei8942 10 ай бұрын

Kanye says some weird stuff because of his bi-polar condition in like 2022 and then people will then feel bad about listening to his music made literal years before the incident. So crazy lol.

@jesu3962 10 ай бұрын

idk about you guys but this felt like one of those apology videos famous people make after being cancelled when in reality it is just melon revisiting albums

@MarkGraves5 10 ай бұрын

YWGWYW was such a fantastic record. I can't listen to it either anymore. 😢

@nikfinite 10 ай бұрын

thank you Anthony - important to have your voice in these discussions

@lizzz-io9sb 10 ай бұрын

2016 was weird man especially with melon out there supporting his favourite orange guy

@mannis 9 ай бұрын

crazy mentality considering what happened at astroworld and your review/opinion on travis and utopia. i know you’ve acknowledged it but it seems like your grudge with kanye is deeper than travis

@remyboyzz399 10 ай бұрын

that pete davidson roast made my day

@kamaujayjay9556 10 ай бұрын

I'm feeling the same way as slowthai

@Zeldamarie1482 10 ай бұрын

What u mean?

@kamaujayjay9556 10 ай бұрын

@@Zeldamarie1482 he had 2 rape allegations which he said that he wasn't guilty, but I have yet to see some proof in the matter

@Zeldamarie1482 10 ай бұрын

@@kamaujayjay9556 oh nah, cmon not slowthai

@thebohr11 10 ай бұрын

@@kamaujayjay9556you said it yourself, you have yet to see any proof. Why would you feel that way about him then? Seems a bit premature. False allegations are far too common these days that my perceptions don't change until I see valid evidence. Even then, my opinions on the music itself wouldn't change, but it certainly would on the artist as a person.

@kamaujayjay9556 10 ай бұрын

@@thebohr11 I guess I'm thinking too much about it

@drfrog4 9 ай бұрын

i don’t want to listen to your reviews anymore because your wife left you

@caseystu123 10 ай бұрын

Artists are humans so sometimes great artists will be bad people. Sometimes great people make bad art. At the end of the day people want good art so it’s going to take some ability to appreciate the art without attaching it so much to the people.

@JerekBilbar 10 ай бұрын

I agree with everything said in the video. However, as a Swans Fan, I think it’s time you turn your attention to Micheal Gira. He raped a collaborator in about 2001 or so. When discussing the situation, he acknowledged the incident as a ‘mistake,’ but insisted that the act was consensual despite the victim continually asserting that it was not. Maybe you just have t heard of the allegations, but it’s the reason I never feel comfortable listening to Swans’ releases from after the 90s.

@billhicks8 10 ай бұрын

I don't think there's really enough on Gira for it to be quite the same thing. I'd need more substantial allegations to come out from other sources than Larkin for it to really negatively affect my listening experience, personally

@BeenDrowned 9 ай бұрын

i really respect the fact that fantano isnt afraid to take a stand on things like this especially since hes so popular and respected in the music scene even though he keeps his personal life private which i completely respect i have no doubt in my mind that fantano is a good person

@jamswie 6 ай бұрын

i find myself disagreeing with the majority of what he says outside of music, but i can respect his right to express his opinion on his platforms

@SamsaraTAS 10 ай бұрын

You Won't Get What You Want actually spoke to me more after the allegations came out. i mean i've never listened to it and never will, but the title has so much more meaning to me now given that what i want is for women to not be fucking abused or assaulted

@igorstevensvelaidesruiz8191 10 ай бұрын

but if you haven't listen to the album how do you come to conclusions like that, I'm sure could be valid for ya but that doesn't make any sense

@jdg1251 10 ай бұрын

What a nothing burger of a comment, just keep quiet holy shit

@unhelpfulrevelations7989 10 ай бұрын

The title and art for that album was what made me interested in it to begin with. I remember Anthony unpackaging the vinyl only to unfold an empty black gatefold, before commenting "You really won't get what you want." I thought that art decision was so clever...

@CTR333Z 10 ай бұрын

What’s with the scenery change? Anthony

@AuraFxs 10 ай бұрын

kids cant see ghosts anymore :(

@Stellarawesomeness 10 ай бұрын

Idk if you're going to see this, but what about the entire Travis Scott fiasco with the people that died at his concerts? Do you hold a similar judgment towards him, even though you were quick to listen to and review his work positively?

@user-dnf83n0s8sg9u 10 ай бұрын

LMAO PREACH

@dud324 10 ай бұрын

he doesn't cause it was pure recklessness and not out of malice and mostly was live nation's fault considering they have a track record of 200 deaths total at their performances in general no other performance brands has that issue.

@DavidYrselfClean 10 ай бұрын

I absolutely cannot go back to YWGWYW based on how closely the lyrics of the album meet the 'accusations', but I do think it's still a 10 (as if that actually matters). That album blew me away the first time I heard it and I loved it from before I saw your review. As for KSG, it was never a 10 but ultimately I think we're all waiting for Ye to either sincerely apologise or leave the public eye so we can remember him for the artist he was and not the arsehole he is. I’ve edited this to change how it came across as I really did not mean it to sound as awful as it clearly came across.

@michaelbenham3603 10 ай бұрын

Sincerely apologize or die is absolutely crazy bro

@thegunn7526 10 ай бұрын

this is ye we’re talking about he’s never going to explicitly apologize

@hichicon4953 10 ай бұрын

⁠@@thegunn7526he has apologised for the slavery comments and the Taylor swift incident. But yeah it’s probably less likely for him to apologise for this

@alexgonzalez5390 10 ай бұрын

@DavidYrselfClean to say that it would be better for an artist to die for them to be remembered only for their art is such an awful take. it’s because of who they are/ were their art even exists

@DavidYrselfClean 10 ай бұрын

@@michaelbenham3603 yeah that’s a terrible take and I didn’t mean it in a apologise or die way, I don’t want Ye to die and I can’t articulate the way I did mean it without it sounding just as bad, so I’ve changed my comment. My bad.

@LucasXavierReis 10 ай бұрын

idk i loved both albums when they came out but like i can only listen to ksg nowadays idk what kanye need to do anymore for me to "cancel" him but yeah at the same time i can't separate the artist from the art with daughters

@relaxrallex 10 ай бұрын

My thing is what other song am I supposed to use to say Good Morning to my people very valid takes!

@dylanmyers4474 10 ай бұрын

Day 6 of asking for Pink Floyd tier list

@lithiumeater100 10 ай бұрын

Didn't Anthony do a classic review of The Queen is Dead this year? The hypocrisy is crazy

@archiewall124 10 ай бұрын

Morality is always selective it seems. People are never consistent.

@billhicks8 10 ай бұрын

Maybe he just has a bit of a deeper understanding of why he feels it is ok to classic review that album all these years later, in a way you just don't understand because you're so simple minded that you call him hypocrite before even actually asking

@thisiscjshandle 9 ай бұрын

Just a general question to throw out there: I have not listened to either of these albums. Is it still worth it for me to give them a listen even knowing what I know about their creators, or at this point am I better off avoiding them?

@thedeadguy2456 9 ай бұрын

Listen to them and form your own opiniom

@arrowheaded 10 ай бұрын

honestly distracted by how pretty the lighting makes you look

@evanfortunato2382 10 ай бұрын

I relate to this. I wasn't a huge hip-hop fan by the time Kanye started to form his reputation, so when I did really get in the genre, I felt no draw to his work. I had a bunch of people who were longtime rap fans say "oh this Kanye album is great one of the best rap albums of all time" but I have always felt like I won't be able to set aside my dislike for him and just take the music at face value. Thank God I'm not a music critic who has to be up to date with all the big influential artists

@glitchhhhhhhh 10 ай бұрын

i hate everything that went down with daughters, like, i've been a huge fan since their grindy noisecore days, later "hell songs" has been one of my favorite albums for a long time and i was super excited about "you won't get what you want" coming out, because it's been forever since their last record. and i was excited about the exposure they got from your review. but when i read kristins statement i was disgusted and disappointed. so many great memories i had with their music turned sour. terrible dude, i wish all the best to kristin moving forward.

@antheacao2316 10 ай бұрын

I looked up Kristin’s statement just now. I don’t know how someone could be subjected to what she endured and still have the strength to go on. This guy should be locked up.