"What does god need with a Starship?"

Star Trek 5 is a masterpiece. Ill die on this hill. Its the only film to capture the Kirk/Spock/Bones dynamic from TOS and doesnt break them off into an A plot B plot. Plus, the opening score and yoesmite scenes are cozy af. Nothing is more trek then when kirk touches the plate that says "Where no man has gone before"

Star Trek Beyond is the worst film. I've never been able to finish the film because I get pissed off at the stupidity. LOL

FINAL FRONTIER and NEMESIS are too entertaining. INSURRECTION is probably my least favorite, but I can still watch it.

Star trek 2009 Into darkness Beyond. Far worse than any of the kirk or picard era films.

ST V is better than ANY ST Discovery episode.

I’ve said it over and over but the Observation Lounge scene with Sybok and the big three is one of the best Character moments in Trek. And the Battle of the Bassen Rift features some of the best Ship-to-Ship combat not only of the franchise but of SciFi in general. Flawed as they may be, but it can’t hate these two movies.

I will always like that line what would a god need with a Starship.

This movie has a lot of charm at least.

You mention JJ at them end. JJ Abrams shouldn't be allowed to touch another franchise. His Trek movies make the 1st and 5th OG movies shine, and his Star Wars movies make me miss Jar Jar.

When Enterprise came out, I was in jail for the first time ever. Pretty much for an unpaid fine. I was in Hennipen county in Minneapolis, mn. A big holding cell full beyond capacity and i was the second whitest guy there. To my shock the only fully white guy asked what tribe I'm from, and I was shocked. Said Red Cliff band Chippewa. Which is true, Anyway, earlier in the biggest most packed holding cell I've ever been in, somehow I got control of the TV.... something i tend to be good at when i visit jails. As I was looking around for something to watch, Enterprise was advertised to start soon, and i was like. Hell, yeah! So it started and that theme song started and i was like.... no... no no no.... No!!! C,mon! I'm in jail and convinced everyone here to watch this! No!!!!

I like The Final Frontier better than the Motion Picture. I don't think Frontier is a particularly good movie, but I wasn't bored to death by it. It even had one of my favorite scenes in a Star Trek movie (when Sybok gives Bones and Spock flashbacks).

Negative reviews of Star Trek V, Batman and Robin and the 1998 Godzilla movie can all be summed up with the phrase "I was not expecting this to be a comedy."

You pronounce Data like Dr. Pulaski. 🤣

Insurrection is my least favorite of the bunch because it is essentially a long and wholly derivative Next Generation episode.

Its Harve (pronounced Harv)for God's sake, not Harvey, LOL :D And as to the theory that all odd numbered movies are bad annoying most Trekkies ... I don't believe that for a second. I personally know a ton of like minded Trek fans, myself included, who agree with the theory. It doesn't make us hate them, but we accept they are the weakest, so speak for yourself JoBlo :)

Everything star trek post 2002 is complete sh*t. Motion picture and 5 are my favorite "what dose God need with a starship?". the picard movies were fun

Not as long as the Kelvin timeline exists

Star Trek V > All TNG crappy movies. The scene where we see McCoy and Spock's pain is one of, if not the greatest Trek moment.

Not as long as Star Trek Into Darkness exists.

Clockwatchers 😂

I hated ST1, 5 i thought was a poor movie. BUT then I watched 3 seasons of picard and by god.... I look back at ST2-10 and frankly.... all is forgiven. even the part where shatner wrestles a furry wearing a nipple bra and drowns her in a fish tank. Seriously ALL IS FORGIVEN! Except the motoneless picture... noting is worse then 12 minutes of vyger shots with nothing happening, followed by 40 minutes of walking, aimlessly through the ship while nothing happens. Even the part where picards mother hangs herself felt less depressing and hopeless then the best parts of the motionless picture.

Life longTrekker here, all of the TOS movies are entertaining for whatever reason… I do tend to watch the 2 3 and 4 story arc the most because the story is soooo good. I also love 6 because it wrapped everything up so well 😊. Have to say 5 was fun cos we took the day off from work and drank a bit before showtime, we knew it wasn’t the best but we still enjoyed it

Star Trek 5 gets an unfair treatment. Just watch it like an extra long episode of TOS, instead of a movie, and it makes perfect sense. Nemesis, however, is indeed irredeemable

The biggest problem with ST: Nemesis is that it is, essentially, The Wrath of Khan. If you don't believe me: 1) Both have a genetically modified/enhanced super villain who was, at one time, banished and mostly forgotten about. 2) Both have a weapon that the genetically enhanced/modified super villain gets his hands on and that weapon has the ability to wipe out life on a planet. 3) Both contain the "death" of a long loved character when their sacrifice saves the lives of those on the Enterprise. 4) The "death" of those characters isn't actually a death because their conscience was transferred to another character and they could be revived later

Star Trek III: The Search for Spock wasn’t a failure under any rubric. It had a good story, good acting, excellent SFX, a soaringly beautiful score, and it made money at the box office, thereby guaranteeing that the sequel Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home would be made.

8:37 It has no clear-cut villain?? What?!? The god-creature may have only been in a single scene, but jeez, the thing killed a key character, played a large role in redeeming TWO lesser-villains, was the cause of the whole situation by using Sybok's gifts against him halfway across the galaxy no less,... just because it was quickly dispatched doesn't mean it wasn't a grave threat to the galaxy. It was literally a "maximum security prison escape attempt." But "no clear-cut villain"?? I suppose even movie reviewers experience their own plot-holes sometimes.

The campfire scene in STV is one of the best character scenes in Trek. Absolutely love that scene. I think The Final Frontier gets a bad rap and isnt half as bad as people say.

Minor correction. The X-Men films aren't a part of the MCU, so when Patrick Stewart returned to that franchise, he wasn't returning to the MCU. A very unimportant nitpick.

The Abrams films are the worst. Plus the streaming Trek is worse as well.

“Uh, Excuse me… What does God need with a spaceship?” Is the only line you need to justify STV’s existence.

V is a guilty pleasure. I think the budget and FX are the main problems. It's the one Star Trek film that puts the Kirk, Spock and McCoy trinity front and center. The comedy could be toned down but that scene where Kirk says "I need a shower." And Spock deadpan delivers "Yes." Is brilliant. I just needs some tweaks and it would be great.

The Final Frontier and Nemesis are masterpieces compared to Jar Jar Abrams Trek, Discovery, Strange Woke Worlds and Picard season 1&2. Not to mention ANYTHING from Disney Star Wars.

Star Trek V: The Final Frontier received the Golden Razzie for Worst Picture.

Honestly, I think I like these better than Voyager Home 😂 I know it made a ton of money but Voyage Home always seemed a bit forced to me - we've seen them time travel before, suddenly now Earth is an alien culture to them? At least both of these were space opera.

If Star Trek 5 had just been a slice of life Kirk Spock and Bones camping, would have been a significantly better episode

Does anyone else feel like 5 & 6 should have swapped titles? Try it. Honestly consider the plotline of each movie vs their title. Then do it again w/ the other movies title.

The big problem with *Star Trek V* was all the bad "comedy" they forced in to make it like *Star Trek IV.* The actual plot is a nice call-back to the original series, and everyone loves the "I need my pain" scene. ... *Nemesis* is underrated. It's definitely better than *Insurrection,* which sank the franchise with its smug tone and TV-level production. Its big weaknesses are that the final battle drags, and the death of the villain feels underwhelming. I watched season 3 of *Picard* after hearing the hype, and was very disappointed (especially as the showrunner had made the *12 Monkeys* series). The plot was unengaging, the dialogue was mostly exposition dumps, and frankly the acting was weak.

The movie was about televangelists, and to me, it showed. Sure the first antagonist was sympathetic, but he felt a bit shallow and not really fleshed out. To me, the outward flamboyance and stereotypical image of televangelists was captured, but I found it hard to believe that Sybok could have such a large following - telepathic powers aside. To me, Sybok should have been like Khan from the series - with an extreme level of charm and charisma, that hides his more negative aspects. It just didn't seem believable that such a misguided and somewhat ignorant "villain" would be able to convince a veteran crew member, like Sulu, to betray his crew, his friends, his ship, and everything he believed in. The second problem, was indeed the effects. To me, that indicated that there was so much commitment to the idea of addressing televangelists, that it prevented the film from reaching its full potential. There were a lot of scenes I really liked from the movie. It wasn't all bad. However, the final scenes reminded me of something from The Ten Commandments - which was fine for the 50's, but maybe not for an 80's sci-fi film, on the verge of entering the 90's. What the film deserved was something on the level of Raiders of the Lost Ark, in its climax. Maybe, if there weren't enough funds to do the film properly, it might have been worth trying a different theme, until the effects could do it justice. Many of my favorite scenes could have also worked for a different type of film. The film could have dealt with Klingons and Romulans, and maybe it would have turned out better. I still think that ST V wasn't entirely bad, but maybe it was a bit too ambitious for the time.

Data's head is still in that cave too.

Nemesis is my favourite Trek movie....even over First Contact. I have never understood the hate? Well developed bad guy, good space battles, Picard, Data & Riker getting the airtime. I think I'll watch it again 🙂

clockwatchers?

I can answer that right away. STAR TREK V (1989) and NEMESIS (2002) ✝ were great. So which STAR TREK films sucked and were utter abominations? Abrams (2009) was one. INTO DARKNESS (2013) was the equivalence of smashing a crucifix. And don't even get me started on BEYOND (2016) .

In Nemesis at the first scene showing Enterprise E, Whomever did the CGI forgot to place a bump map on the impulse engines, that is a beginner's mistake.

All TREKK is beautiful and important to me because it's about the continuing mission! Including 5,and Nemesis. Star Trek is mostly campy,and that's why I love it. Discovery has really tried to get away from campy and has lost it's trekness.TOS,TNG,DS9,VGR,ENT,LDS,PRO-- are all about; "And the Human Adventure Continues..."

I think STV suffered from production problems and going over budget. Nemesis suffered from budget cuts and trying to play the story too safe. Like Insurrection, safe stories are not meant for theatrical outings.

I enjoyed Nemesis, it has its highlights, and disagree about the CG being bad.

Disagreed about the CGI in Nemesis. I still feel that it holds up very well to this day. The scene when the E and the Scimitar collide I believe was a blend of practical and digital effects and, frankly, looks amazing. The story is definitely open to criticism but the quality of the effects work I feel stands tall.

Star Trek 5 has a number of good scenes. (It always gets bonus points with me for allowing Bones to shine in it.) With some script tinkering and the proper SFX company/budget/time, it could have been a fine entry. I've never had a problem with Sybok, especially since it makes perfect sense that Sarek would have had a first wife. Vulcans are paired at a young age and marry at their first pon farr, so why would he have ended up with a human at a much older age? Because he'd had a first wife. Logical. But if Shatner is inspired by the Bakers, then Sybok should not really be a true believer but an exploiter of faith in others. In the end, our liking Sybok deprives the movie of a villain. The smart thing would have been for Paramount to delay the release to allow for the proper SFX and then release it in 1990 when box office competition would have been light.

They destroyed the original script and couldn’t get ILM to do the special effects. This did not help

11:45 And that was a cover of a Rod Stewart song.

I’ve somewhat reappraised Final Frontier since the various remasters have at least made the visuals acceptable, it still jumps the shark in a few too many scenes, but it has plenty of good moments and is perfectly watchable.

Star Trek V is my favorite of the original cast movies. Felt the most like the series, both in theme and (cheesy) production. Given I hate all of the TNG and Abrams movies, I find it illogical that it could be the worst.

I liked ST V as a youngster, and I still enjoy it now for nostalgic reasons. Nemesis wasn’t terrible… I would still take these movies over almost anything post 2009

As a lifelong Gen X Star Trek fan who has seen the original series & movies countless times, I’ve concluded that The Final Frontier isn’t that bad Afterall, and I’m not brainwashed from the masses, I definitely prefer it over Star Trek The Motion Picture, which doesn’t feel anything like the light hearted original series, But I do consider The Voyage Home the most enjoyable & rewatchable Star Trek movie.

I'll take 5 over Nemesis any day of the week

Insurrection is probably my least favorite. Kind of boring with sketchy effects. I really liked Nemesis and never quite understood why no one else does, though I wish some of the deleted scenes were left in. To each their own I guess. I remember after being so into Treks II-IV, then seeing V in the theater and just being so disappointed. It looked pretty awesome in the previews. Trek VI was one of the best theater experiences I ever had - people applauding and what not - so I guess that kind of made up for V.

I agree, two worst Star Trek movies. However, it was jokes like Scotty hitting his head that ruined Star Trek 5, not because it wasn't funny. Scotty hitting his head was one of the funniest scenes ever but it belonged in a blooper reel not in a Star Trek movie. The humor of Star Trek 4 worked not because it was hilarious but because it was the kind of humor that fit Star Trek, that flowed naturally from the characters. The humor of Star Trek 5 may or may not have been hilarious but it didn't fit Star Trek, it didn't flow naturally but felt instead like one of those old time variety shows like Carol Burnett or Sonny and Cher. It just wasn't Star Trek.

I saw Star Trek V opening day. It is a guilty pleasure. I overlook the bad effects, because that was a timing/ budget issue. I do find it an interesting take on the characters.

Its great that the Franchise overall has stayed alive.

The beginning of Final Frontier was the best part and unfortunately Insurrection was just a borefest!!🤣🤣

16:43 Um... then what was _Looney Tunes: Back in Action?_

Both movies also didn't go well with Canon. ST 5 the go to the heart of the Galaxy in days, when it should have taken decades. In ST 10 Worf is back in Star fleet when he was supposed to be the ambassador to the King on homeworld not to mention Romulan Ale being illegal, when it was legal I'm DS9 after the Romulans joined the War against the Dominion.

Picard was terrible...the final season could have been so much better also

I still say part 5 is better than the first one

If there is a Star Trek original series movie that I have watched more than any other it is Star Trek five. Star Trek five feels like an episode of the original series and that’s why I love it. I love the character interaction, and I’m even willing to accept less than stellar special effects. In the end, this movie has what feels like a lot of heart and I think that it captures the essence of original series Star Trek.

5 is SOOOOOOO Baaaaaaad!

BOOM! i got both! idk what that means but...yea!

It's not that all the odd numbered ones sucked, it's just that the even numbered ones were generally far superior.

ST5 has several missteps. The flaws are : 1) bad F/X, 2) too short - about 14 minutes were cut out, thus background narrative is missing and 3) a bit too much corny humor (trying to ape ST4). But I still don't think ST5 is terrible.

Nemesis was not that bad really. Not perfect but also somewhat unfairly criticised by a increasingly toxic Fandom at the time. Yes it had flaws and some pretty stupid parts but it was okay. Star trek 5 was just dire

If Chris Bumbray has anything to do with it, I will watch. He has this calming narration that works every frickin' time. Thank you.

I consider Search for Spock a weaker film. There were some nice ideas in ST5. It needed a rewrite to punch up the story.

StV doesn't bother me so much, Nemesis doesn't exist

I disagree wholeheartedly. I love Star Trek 5. Some of the best Star Trek scenes in the whole franchise, thanks to the great trio of veteran actors.

Even my mom loved IV.....hello computer! V was definitely not the worst by a long shot. In fact most of the films that came after it were worse, especially the one where they killed Kirk, and once they went off into the alternative universe with weird looking Romulan garbage men it was all over....and those were light years ahead of the new series Picard and Discovery. At least they chose actors that vaguely looked like the old cast all be it weak sauce versions. I don't even remember anything about the Next Generation era of films even though I liked the series. The films were just unmemorable. Now that you mention it removing Wesley was a good move. I was at a convention where a vendor who was talking to a young lady announced, "hey everyone, teenage girls hate Wesley," at which point the whole room applauded.

I liked V better than IV, the regular music returned as well, weirdly missing from IV

IMO opinion the 2 all-time WORST are: 1. Star Trek: Insurrection; 2. Star Trek: Nemesis.

5 is leagues better than any of TNG movies.

The theory doesn't annoy Trekkies? They're the ones who came up with it 😜 The fact the odd numbers movies suck is what annoys them.

Harve Bennett's first name is pronounced "Harv", not "Harvey". "Harv" is how Shatner and Nimoy say it.

I must be the only person on the planet who both enjoyed ST: Nemesis and the Green Lantern movie.

Holy crap all the "new trek" hate! If you don't like something, thats cool, but don't piss in someone else's corn flakes. "Abrams movie sucked" yup...that's why it got two sequels with a third in the works before the untimely death of one of the actors. "Disco sucks!" Yup, clearly since it got five season in the era of shows being canceled after 1. "SNW is garbage!" Thats like...your opinion man! I'm going to be over here enjoying the new meaning of K-pop TYVM!

I find Star Trek V hilarious. I prefer it over The Motion Picture. I also find at least the scene where McCoy relives killing his father so moving. And I will always defend V.

Just watched The Final Frontier. It was pretty good. Limited by the budget, but I enjoyed it more than Voyage Home.

STAR TREK 5. Problematic. Especially after the gauntlet set down by The Voyage Home. I still like 5. It has some wonderful TREK moments in it.

I still don't understand all the hate for Star Trek 5 !!!

Both films had great potential but a lot of nonsense happened behind the scenes like most cases.

Cool. I have to make a video about those things I dislike so I can feel important. Off my list of channels to watch. Cheers!

I love the enterprise theme

Star Trek died in 2005.....

The Jar Jar Abrams trilogy films and the modern Trek series are far far worse than ST 5 & Nemesis in my own opinion. I would gladly rewatch 5 and Nemesis anytime over any of the reboot crappy films & modern Trek series, IMO. Peace ✌️

Star Trek The Slow Motion Picture is the worst. So slow paced, so boring and so hard to watch, it's only blind nostalgia which makes people put it above these two

I like both ST1+7, and I hated ST4 with its strange "future meets earth present" jokes. But I am not a treckie at all ;)... But 1+7 at least were interesting for me. Maybe you need to be a ST fan to only like the even numbers stories

Star Trek Nemesis was not a bad film. The film before it Insurrection was a bad Star Trek film. And when it comes to Star Trek 5 ,a writers strike and budget cuts were against William Shatner . & the highest grossing film of 1987 and was Beverly Hills Cop 2

I disagree. Star Trek IV - The Voyage Home is the worst Star Trek movie.

Ikiked it ST V.

Let's be honest, Nemesis sucks, but it's not as terrible as Insurrection. That movie is unwatchable.

Yeah it's a weak Star Trek movie overall... lacking in many ways... but still, i think the fact that William Shatner directed it is quite remarkable.

I kinda lost interest Around 87 and 89 trek hasn't done well next generation had mediocre episodes through first 2 seasons granted they had bad episodes throughout but next generation wasn't the best in beginning then st5 final frontier hit in 89 luckily it got some good to not so good movies later on