Are We Allowed to Love Baby Reindeer?

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18 күн бұрын

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The spring sun blazed down on London’s Royal Festival Hall for the BAFTA TV Awards on Sunday and the conditions were right for Baby Reindeer to bask in its success.
Richard Gadd’s dazzling “true story” of his experience with an alleged stalker won’t be eligible for prizes until next year, but he attended the 2024 awards with co-star Jessica Gunning to hand out the prize for best Limited Drama.
Clerkenwell Films’ somewhat parochial British story has been the biggest show in the world for the past couple of weeks, and there can be little doubt about Gadd’s astonishing creative achievement in taking his trauma and rendering it into a brutal, beguiling work of art.

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@YouCantDeleteDenzelL
@YouCantDeleteDenzelL 15 күн бұрын
I can tell you this: I'm a male survivor of rape, and I'm glad that not only is Richard Gadd coming forth to tell his story, but because of the show I have felt less afraid to tell people about what happened to me. I'm obviously not at the point where Mr. Gadd is where I can tell literally everyone about it, and the exact nature of it is something I can count the amount of people I've told about it on one hand. But that he told his story and also that I saw myself in a lot of it, especially the fallout of the event, really struck a chord with me.
@YouCantDeleteDenzelL
@YouCantDeleteDenzelL 15 күн бұрын
@@kbbbnnnnnnnnnnn 1. No. It was by a stranger. 2. That's a lot more common among survivors who have it happen to them by someone they know than you realize.
@TheHuYao
@TheHuYao 15 күн бұрын
@@kbbbnnnnnnnnnnn Dude, I'm sure you don't know the shame of being assaulted, many women and men do not report their abusers out of shame Trauma is something hard, it's hard to grasp, to understand, to overcome... "Rape is the most under-reported crime; 63% of sexual assaults are not reported to police" "Factoring in unreported rapes, only about 6% of rapists ever serve a day in jail." You can search those things up on google, don't be an ignorant fool, stop victim blaming.
@ollieollieoxenfree3246
@ollieollieoxenfree3246 15 күн бұрын
@@kbbbnnnnnnnnnnn have you been assaulted? if not, how on earth could you possibly know how they should react to it? what authority do you have on the matter?
@Phd366
@Phd366 15 күн бұрын
I’m sorry to hear you had to go through it. I hope you continue to heal ❤ life can be miraculous 😊
@BreezusSneezus
@BreezusSneezus 15 күн бұрын
@@kbbbnnnnnnnnnnn Ew seek help.
@NoFirstNoLastName
@NoFirstNoLastName 16 күн бұрын
I am just so glad we bisexuals are getting the representation we deserve with one of our known forms: an awkward stand up comedian
@ginismoja2459
@ginismoja2459 15 күн бұрын
What does it matter...
@mamamooscake281
@mamamooscake281 15 күн бұрын
​@@ginismoja2459Exactly ! Last time I checked they were no co-relations.
@suzanne9696
@suzanne9696 15 күн бұрын
Yep what the hell does it matter!
@free2trvl
@free2trvl 9 күн бұрын
Comments proved you right about the awkward! Lol I got a chuckle 😉
@Jessica_Costantini
@Jessica_Costantini 8 күн бұрын
representation does actually matter
@trinaq
@trinaq 16 күн бұрын
I have a lot of respect for Richard Gadd, in not only reenacting his harrowing real life experience of being stalked, but his sexual assault as well.
@kamsismith
@kamsismith 16 күн бұрын
I can't imagine the PTSD episodes he had during filming.
@mindlander
@mindlander 15 күн бұрын
What makes you so sure it's true?
@jaybee4118
@jaybee4118 15 күн бұрын
@@mindlanderas the subjects are all in the UK, there’s no way the lawyers would let it be made without having a LOT of receipts. Also, a lot of people already know who Darien is in real life, it’s well known in the industry.
@oaklandcookie
@oaklandcookie 15 күн бұрын
@@mindlander What makes you ask such a question???
@mindlander
@mindlander 15 күн бұрын
@@oaklandcookie I don't know the truth of the situation. Do you have proof you can share?
@MumfordElectric
@MumfordElectric 16 күн бұрын
I have absolutely no sympathy for a woman who outed herself and went on an international broadcast showcasing herself.
@iain9757
@iain9757 16 күн бұрын
Especially on Piers Morgan
@donovangallegos7839
@donovangallegos7839 16 күн бұрын
The reality is that people found her because the series used Martha's real tweets. Which led to people on the internet being able to find out who that person really is. And she went from being the harassing person to being harassed.
@rudedrugs
@rudedrugs 15 күн бұрын
@@donovangallegos7839 boo hoo :( consequences of her own actions :(
@jaybee4118
@jaybee4118 15 күн бұрын
@@donovangallegos7839I think she would have outed herself anyway. Because I think she’s mentally ill.
@foolishlyfoolhardy6004
@foolishlyfoolhardy6004 15 күн бұрын
Other people outed her. And piers morgan would have been champing at the bit. You don't feel sorry for her, but think of it this way... how many Martha's (or worse) do you think you'll find in a pool of 22million show watchers? And how are all those Martha's going to act when they think people are going to celebrate them and cheer them on?
@kiera2867
@kiera2867 15 күн бұрын
If you don’t want people talking about your bad behaviour, don’t behave badly. Gad has every right to talk about what Fiona did. Why should anyone be forced to quiet about their experiences with someone’s bad side? She outed herself. That’s her fault.
@jaybee4118
@jaybee4118 15 күн бұрын
She’s probably mentally ill is one reason. She has responsibility for her own actions, but there are circumstances that make it much more complicated. She was also pretty much outed before she came forward. I think she might have outed herself anyway, but that’s a different issue. Darien on the other hand, he’s done much worse and has almost certainly done the same to others. It’s an open secret in the industry. I don’t think Gadd doesn’t have the right to tell the story, but I think he should have been more careful.
@Joy.W.
@Joy.W. 15 күн бұрын
@@jaybee4118 “he should’ve been more careful” - that’s victim blaming
@bd1043
@bd1043 15 күн бұрын
And it’s more than Fiona. But his grapist. He has every reason to tell him story about his abuse, which I think is the REAL part of the story yet people focus on Fiona. I think she’s almost a byproduct of his SA
@laurastutt3442
@laurastutt3442 15 күн бұрын
@@Joy.W.i think OP was saying he should’ve been more careful about protecting her identity if his intention was for her to not be found. That isn’t victim blaming because he’s not the victim of his Netflix show, he’s the victim of her stalking him. If we’d said he should’ve been more careful not too encourage her stalking, that would be victim blaming
@dannielleburrus6117
@dannielleburrus6117 15 күн бұрын
@@jaybee4118 So because a perpetrator is mentally ill the victim doesn't have a right to tell their story or make art about their own experiences? No.
@MadArtLang
@MadArtLang 16 күн бұрын
It helps men who are abused bc their stories don't get told bc of shame. His story is raw and honest and abusers should not be protected. I have no sympathy for her. Not naming her explicitly was gracious but also will probs be his saving grace. She's the one choosing the spot light. She wants attention. She seemed unhinged in the interview too.
@jaybee4118
@jaybee4118 15 күн бұрын
There’s reasons to protect. Not giving them attention, there’s a possibility of outing other victims who don’t want to be named (thinking more the case of Darien there), she is quite possibly mentally ill etc. there’s honestly a lot of reasons.
@t_ylr
@t_ylr 15 күн бұрын
I've had two friends tell me stories about hooking up with some grown woman when they were teenagers I'm highschool. Neither of them talked about it like it was a bad thing. There's this old school attitude that male sexual assault is either a joke or actually good depending on how attractive the person doing it is. Hopefully this story will help men to not see it that way anymore.
@jazarahcatx
@jazarahcatx 15 күн бұрын
​​@@t_ylrMy current partner told me about his "xbox gf" and he was in his teens. He JUST NOW realized "wow... that wasnt a good thing" after me telling him that after every time hes told me the story that it wasnt good. I also know someone who thinks it was hos fault for "being a flirty little shit" over a babysitter SAing him and he thinks its a fond memory. He was under the age of 10 or at most 10 years of age... I have heard so many stories of men during their boy years and it always makes me cry that if it was a woman its somehow okay. I wish it wasn't thought of as "hooking up" and what they actually are...
@user-xr7ci8tf3e
@user-xr7ci8tf3e 15 күн бұрын
Most men get assaulted by other men, so I don’t think the issue here is women.
@aaronbarkley539
@aaronbarkley539 14 күн бұрын
​@@t_ylrand those people have not understood that they were abused sadly
@pembrokelove
@pembrokelove 16 күн бұрын
I don’t know if Kayla sees the comments, but if she does - she did the only correct thing she could have done with regard to Elaina. I agree that most mentally ill people are more of a risk to themselves than to anyone else - but when someone has a specific fixation, it changes things. It raises the stakes considerably. That fixation is much more likely to result in harm because instead of a thousand random interests… there becomes one specific target for that anguish to be directed towards. As a long term stalking victim - it was nearly a decade long campaign of stress and fear - I have been unable to watch Baby Reindeer. I don’t need to know how scary a stalking situation can become - I know. I will say, though, that there is no doubt in my mind that Gadd has the right to tell his story. Is someone not allowed to speak about, for example, their sexual assault because their attacker has the right to privacy? Of course not! We preserve the identity of victims because they are not the ones causing harm or whom others would be best warned about. Aggressors, perpetrators, and criminals - their victims are absolutely allowed to tell their stories and even to name those people should they choose. “Martha” decided to disclose her own identity - Gadd did her a favor she did not deserve.
@mialarosa4434
@mialarosa4434 16 күн бұрын
Well said.
@zabi_aka
@zabi_aka 16 күн бұрын
You're totally right. I wholeheartedly support Gadd in his desire to conceal the identities of his perpetrators, and his plea for people not to look for them. Even without watching/reading the media reports i understood that the intention was to share a story kind of as an example of one type of case of stalking, such a commonplace thing all over the world. Which is also ignored and brushed off for so many reasons by both the victims and the authorities that could help. The audiences should've stayed put and listened to Gadd, and if the Martha character decided to step up - it's her own decision, plus as a stalker albeit she might not be as dangerous as portrayed in the story, but nonetheless she is potentially a criminal who might continue stalking someone else now. Hopefully Gadd has enough evidence to illustrate the degree of stalking involved in court if it comes to that, and his justification for fictionalizing the thing that he did is reasonable enough.
@jaybee4118
@jaybee4118 15 күн бұрын
In all of this, people are missing that the worst part of the story wasn’t Martha and the stalking.
@zabi_aka
@zabi_aka 15 күн бұрын
@@jaybee4118 i don't think it's missed. Many people tried to look for the guy, but Gadd asked to not inaccurately (and with not much concrete evidence) accuse people, including people around him, so people are talking about the only person who confessed to be the person portrayed in the show. (Plus Martha was the main plot point of the show, the most recurring character apart from Donny) Looking at the way that guy, producer, behaved in the show, it was not his first or the last time doing such a thing to his juniors and who knows who else. Hopefully he has a guilty conscience (which by his portrayal, i highly doubt) and steps up, but otherwise unless Gadd and/or any other people who suffered from that guy's abuse decide to step up we might never know. This is awful, of course, and that guy should be stopped, but we as the public have little power to do anything. Mob justice is not always the way, fortunate or not.
@thewhiterabbitchaser
@thewhiterabbitchaser 15 күн бұрын
This is so untrue on the front of victim survivors of SA, it is famously shameful, difficult, dangerous to speak out, including to the extent that in some places in Australia it is illegal for victims to tell their stories publicly to 'protect them', this law is in the process of being protested and has been now overturned in some places but there are many 'gag order' laws for survivors of SA globally, this is misleading information.
@maryalicefike4704
@maryalicefike4704 16 күн бұрын
the first five minutes was amazing storytelling, bravo
@etanu8308
@etanu8308 9 күн бұрын
it really was, really inspiring
@gogopartytime
@gogopartytime 16 күн бұрын
That Piers Morgan interview was so wild to watch, and the fact he followed it up with a panel featuring Dr. Drew was even more heinous. Somewhere between Richard and Fiona though, there is the truth. What Richard did by sharing his story has already helped so many people.
@stinkynorsk5883
@stinkynorsk5883 15 күн бұрын
I'm sorry if this is a controversial opinion, but I feel this very strongly -- how is this even a discussion? I absolutely despise being that guy, but why are we sympathising with an assaulter? Is it because Richard Gadd is a man? Is it because, no matter the situation, we see the woman as the victim? (I'm very much a believe all victims guy and know very well that women are overwhelmingly the absolute majority of assault victims; not my point though). I see people saying that she was harassed by people on the internet; and? Why should we care? If this was a man, people would be seething to get him more jail time, and I'm sorry, this feels so hypocritical that it makes me sick. I'm a man, I've faced assault (albeit, from another man), and I cannot imagine how much more appalled people would be when I tell them about it if I was a woman. It's always an awkward, embarrassed look and silence. This show is incredible for speaking out about this in such a succinct and genuine manner. Men are allowed to tell their stories too, no matter how detailed, and for fuck's sake, he didn't even name her, which he very much could've. All my respect to Gadd and all my bafflement against the critical response to this.
@HeySlothKid
@HeySlothKid 15 күн бұрын
I've also seen so many people criticising him for not naming The person who assaulted him and "allowing him to run free". Just because he's a man doesn't mean he doesn't face the same challenges as any woman in reporting their assault or naming the r*pist! People seem to think he's somehow doing "being a victim" wrong
@stinkynorsk5883
@stinkynorsk5883 15 күн бұрын
@@HeySlothKid couldn't have said it better! There's no wrong way to be a victim! (Even moreso seen in the horrid case of the G. Rose Blanchard "fandom").
@clover6236
@clover6236 15 күн бұрын
I’m very concerned how many youtubers seems to worried or want to protect this dangerous woman! That’s nuts!
@advancedraymondology2914
@advancedraymondology2914 6 күн бұрын
There are people out there whose allegiance to their made-up "side" is more important than reality. You see it in politics constantly, but it happens with the men/women thing too. I'm embarrassed now, but I used to be really into the whole anti-feminist thing. (I mean, online. I didn't, like, go to MRA conferences or rallies or anything 😂.) But I eventually saw that many of those people were every bit as ridiculous and unwilling to take a shred of accountability as the people they were against. There's plenty of nutty-ass dudes out there, always assuming the woman is a liar or gold-digger. But there are also many women who just can't handle it when the villain is female. And then you got the male pick-me's, falling all over themselves to show how down they are with the cause. 😂 Those kind of voices are always the loudest, but they're a very small minority. I think most rational people can see what this woman is. The oddest thing is she's made it soooo much worse. Only a few internet sleuths had any idea who she was before she started screaming, "It's me, over here! I'm the real Martha! Only...I'm not, because it's not true!"
@martina-cc3ch
@martina-cc3ch 16 күн бұрын
I feel that people have the right to portray their trauma via art to heal. I know he has a big platform and everything but is not his responsabillity to protect someone that did that to him. He changed the name, she decided to come out and tell everybody, Richard didn't do that. Also I can't stop comparing this to a song a famous singer writes about something like an abusive relationship or something like that, many people are gonna figure out who that person was but, who cares? Nobody forced the person to do terrible things, talking about a traumatic experience just to get revictimized by the person that made you a victim in the first place is beyond fair. It would be a different conversation if the person didn't do any of the things they're acussed of, but that would be lying and it wouldn't be a real trauma story and I think that's diffamation. Like you can't be mad you did something horrible and the person you did that to telling their story, like just don't do that and people are not gonna say u did it.
@vvitch-mist20
@vvitch-mist20 15 күн бұрын
It could also be that people who are in his position could easier relate to his story by watching a character go through it. It's like finding a quiet commonality around a serious trauma. Work like this is super important, and people getting mad at him when they should be mad at her shows people will never stand with the victim.
@camipco
@camipco 16 күн бұрын
Lifehack: if no one ever watches Piers Morgan, eventually he will go away.
@ginismoja2459
@ginismoja2459 15 күн бұрын
Why do people dislike him?
@moshki80
@moshki80 9 күн бұрын
​@@ginismoja2459 literally what is there to like???
@blanchebau8807
@blanchebau8807 6 күн бұрын
@@ginismoja2459 he's been involved w things like the daily mirror incident where he allegedly published falsified photos of Iraqi prisoners
@TMichelle555
@TMichelle555 15 күн бұрын
I think it’s wild she’s trying to sue when she clearly states over and over it’s not her…. But she’s suing Netflix for portraying her and incorrectly saying she has a criminal record? Also in the interview with Piers she clearly states “‘it’s not defamation if it’s true” LMAO like she really just outted herself. This is what stalkers want in the end - attention
@iain9757
@iain9757 16 күн бұрын
I do sorta feel that the UK Government pushback was because of the Netflix series “The Crown” and “Scoop” which involve the British Royal family.
@kgjames3603
@kgjames3603 13 күн бұрын
Oh for sure. They've been trying to push this through for a while now.
@NotAnotherKuromi
@NotAnotherKuromi 12 күн бұрын
It's more the true crime programmes which have raised concerns, I know the Jeffrey Dahmer one caused a lot of issues including upsetting the relatives of the victims.
@SmileyxKyley
@SmileyxKyley 9 күн бұрын
⁠@@NotAnotherKuromi I’m confused as to why the UK government would be concerned with Dahmer? I was under the impression all of his victims were in the Midwest (wisconsin and maybe one in indiana or ohio)
@ThyCatalystRave.z
@ThyCatalystRave.z 16 күн бұрын
Welll uh.. thar was the MOST cinematic and dramatically beautiful opening you have ever done. You okayy?? I loved the vid tho!
@UrbanDecayLova247
@UrbanDecayLova247 16 күн бұрын
I feel like going on Piers Morgan should cancel out her trying to sue. Not everyone watched it and ran to social media to find her…but my mom who hadn’t even watched the show yet was talking about seeing a clip of that interview on the news.
@bigchez2855
@bigchez2855 16 күн бұрын
I love the more creative storytelling of this video, I'm down for this direction every couple of videos if you still have it in you
@cassielcruzchavolla809
@cassielcruzchavolla809 15 күн бұрын
I don't think Fiona has much of a case against Netflix, i mean i get that she's a lawyer and I'm not but "Martha" legally is a fictional character , she's not being accused of anything directly, therefore it can't be defamation?
@SmileyxKyley
@SmileyxKyley 9 күн бұрын
After the first scene in the series, the text on screen says “this is a true story”. So it can be defamation by implication. A lot of people’s perception of what is defamation and what isn’t is actually kind of reversed. The best course of action is to state that this is your opinion, and explicitly cite all of your sources and reasoning as to why you feel that way. If you’re non-specific, cite anonymous or generic sources that might imply insider information (like I can’t say who but people in the industry have been saying he’s a creep for years), but what you’re implying can be reasonably construed to be about a specific person, and the thing you’re implying is untrue, you can absolutely be sued for defamation.
@Lacrosse2471
@Lacrosse2471 16 күн бұрын
Loved the personal story intro, getting better and better at storytelling
@emanuelzbeda1420
@emanuelzbeda1420 16 күн бұрын
That personal anecdote was the best part of any one of your videos I've seen.
@beckyyeomans2531
@beckyyeomans2531 16 күн бұрын
I feel like a baby reindeer it's such an honest retelling of this experience, it feels way too genuine to be fake. I would hope that Netflix would have been a DBS check, (this is what we call a police check in the UK), but if we did "Martha" would have generally been made aware as we send what we find to the person's home address.
@jaybee4118
@jaybee4118 15 күн бұрын
She certainly knew that there was a stage play about all this, so I don’t think it was a complete surprise to her anyway. No matter what she says. If there’s one thing I believe, it’s the amount of emails, voice mails etc she sent. He’d have to have them ready to prove in case she sued because of the way it’s done in England. I suspect that’s why she specifically said she’s suing because he had her go to prison and plead guilty, as I don’t think she did. They just wanted a more upbeat ending than the truth, nothing happened to her.
@vicariously143
@vicariously143 16 күн бұрын
He is an amazing talent. I think he stuck as close as he could while translating it to effective tv.
@SK28th
@SK28th 15 күн бұрын
It’s Anne Rice and her son Christopher isn’t it? Truly chilling beginning 😳
@clover6236
@clover6236 15 күн бұрын
I thought the same
@OctopusWhoSeesAll
@OctopusWhoSeesAll 14 күн бұрын
I though the same as well
@missdenisebee
@missdenisebee 11 күн бұрын
That was my first thought, too.
@sillygo0oser
@sillygo0oser 9 күн бұрын
Why bother trying to figure it out, and announce it to earn internet brownie points.
@inferiorinferno8859
@inferiorinferno8859 15 күн бұрын
As woman with a stalker and a history of SA, Baby Reindeer broke me and I personally have no sympathy for Fiona, she dug her own grave with her actions and I agree with the people that part of why people sympathize with her does has to do with her being a woman. I bet all of you would judge my stalker more harshly even though he hasn't assaulted me or anyone close to me (yet) unlike Fiona is implied to have in the show. He's this scrawny man in at least his fifties that stalks me almost exclusively in summer months ever since I was 20 (I'm currently 26), often wears a ratty cap and has this pair of thick lensed glasses that enlarges his eyes a bit and makes his psychotic stare even more obvious. He's kept harassing me all because I was raised to be polite and greeted him once or twice when he drove by when I was doing grocery shopping. That's all it took for him to start mapping out my routes and following me, and sometimes he would wait until I was all alone at home as I still live with my mother and then he'd keep ringing the doorbell and trying to get in my home. Once or twice, he got so persistent that I was shaking with a kitchen knife in my hand, afraid he'd actually break in. I fear him crawling out of the woordworks now summer has arrived once more. I don't care how mentally ill he is, I am autistic and have C-PTSD myself but I would NEVER harass someone to the point they would be scared of their life. Richard is a brave man and asking him to protect the person who stalked and assaulted him is literally disgusting to me. Victims aren't obliged to do that, once you assault someone you lose that right. If anything, the men around the world are now warned about Fiona, and it could save a future victim considering she is still unhinged.
@ep3989
@ep3989 7 күн бұрын
That's horrible, I'm so sorry. Have you reported him? Maybe tell other people too, family and friends, so that they are in the know just in case. Maybe collect some evidence by recording him without puting yourself in danger ofc.
@pettylisa5599
@pettylisa5599 16 күн бұрын
I just got done watching Kennie JD's video on it, and look what pops up. 😆
@TylaStark
@TylaStark 15 күн бұрын
Lmfao literally same
@missauroraroseblairsays
@missauroraroseblairsays Күн бұрын
Late but same
@sp0Oky2004
@sp0Oky2004 16 күн бұрын
Wow, I didn't know how unique this show was. I'm immediately giving it a watch!!
@jaybee4118
@jaybee4118 15 күн бұрын
It’s good, but be warned there’s much heavier subject matter in it than Martha and the stalking, and that’s bad enough!
@sp0Oky2004
@sp0Oky2004 15 күн бұрын
@jaybee4118 I recently got some trigger warnings whilst looking more into it, definitely agree that there's much more than Martha🫣 ty for the warning!!
@ginismoja2459
@ginismoja2459 15 күн бұрын
It's really not.
@sp0Oky2004
@sp0Oky2004 15 күн бұрын
@@ginismoja2459 agree to disagree.
@sp0Oky2004
@sp0Oky2004 15 күн бұрын
@@jaybee4118 ty for the heads up!!
@kezia8027
@kezia8027 16 күн бұрын
This was an absolutely phenomenal video. As someone who has struggled and sent messages that might have seemed unhinged when I was at my worst - ultimately it was about seeking out connection. Needing someone to notice and listen to me. In the moment, she may not have felt thankful for your actions, but it probably (hopefully) led to her getting help that she clearly wasn't getting. You noticed yourself that she had been getting worse, clearly her situation was not improving. At least with a change, there is the opportunity for her that things would improve. I know if it was me, I would be thankful. Thank you for sharing such a vulnerable, compassionate and private moment with us.
@hkhutton
@hkhutton 15 күн бұрын
I work in a similar job where we end up having to listen to a lot of mentally unwell people. Sometimes we can help, but often we can't. I'm grateful that I have time to lend to folks. I received a call from a woman who seemed kind but agitated by her own conspiracy theories. She had weaved herself a tapestry of evidence to confirm her thoughts, and had herself all mixed up into knots. Don't get me wrong, when people are rude or unpleasant I won't grant them much of my time, but it was clear to me that this particular woman was going through something. I listened to her talk for about 40mins. She was upset by something that didn't really affect her personally, by her own admission. She just related to some aspects of the situation to the point that it *became* a personal issue. I mostly ummhmm-ed and affirmed her throughout, but most of that three quarters of an hour was listening to her. She wasn't comfortable giving me her address and implied that previous people hadn't listened to her and had been mean to her (which, given the context, I took to mean that they had called for a welfare check), and at the end she thanked me for being the only one, out of a litany of agencies, that actually listened to her. It's strange how moving these conversations can be, however nonsensical they are.
@NotAnotherKuromi
@NotAnotherKuromi 12 күн бұрын
Although this women's perception of reality sounds off I doubt that her saying people being mean to her meant a welfare check (a lot of people do not even bother doing that.) A lot of people see obviously mentally unwell people as either an easy target to be horrible to, including physically assault. Or they view them as someone less worthy of respect so ok to be incredibly mean to, not just disagreeing but insulting and being verbally abusive.
@hkhutton
@hkhutton 10 күн бұрын
@@NotAnotherKuromi I understand what you're saying, and you're not inaccurate, but given the context of the call and where I work, I'm pretty sure it was a welfare check. While I appreciate your perspective in a generalized sense, I should also point out that people in delusion absolutely do not appreciate being questioned about that delusion from the context of anything but agreement. This is understandable, I wouldn't appreciate my reality being questioned either. Again, I am not saying that your points are invalid or unwarranted--they absolutely aren't. And I'm not even saying that there's not a chance that folks were unkind to her during said welfare check, or at the very least didn't hear her out. I am just certain that, given everything surrounding the interaction we had including my job, her questions and presumptions, and the things she said aside...it was most certainly a welfare check.
@originaozz
@originaozz 15 күн бұрын
I think as humans, we are craving to feel something "real" more than ever and Baby Reindeer is the first true crime series that allow me that introspective look of the people behind the mess without glamorizing either sides. There should not be anything wrong about wanting to relate, but once we crossed the line of being entertained to "feeling entitled" to all the facts and the juices, it just devalue the whole experience for me. Media literacy shouldn't mean we could gather all the details to critcize the content and make theories anyway we want about the facts. It should be more about reflecting on the experience based on the content itself and how it make you feel: the good, the bad, and the why.
@princesstelimena2887
@princesstelimena2887 16 күн бұрын
I really liked this video! The personal anecdote was perfect for the topic and shows a deeper perspective. I agree that this was a very complicated topic to create art about, but I’m also really glad he was so honest and raw about his story
@melanino
@melanino 16 күн бұрын
I think its different a bit? Maybe because im vindictive, but if she did half that shit she did in the show.... well, her getting clowned on the internet would be the least of her problem. Great vid, lovely insight from youm
@mauriboquitas
@mauriboquitas 15 күн бұрын
I loved Baby Reindeer. But I didn't enjoy it very much. I had an out-of-body experience with it. Episode 4's montage of Donny using his sexuality in a self-destructive way after being SA'd looked so much like what I had done to myself in my mid-twenties. And the words. The monologue where he says how he did it to try and feel like he could go back to that moment and gain a sense of agency. To try and get control over it. I've already talked about that situation in therapy, and it was almost word for word, what my therapist explained some SA victims do. So yes, I loved Baby Reindeer because it allowed me to see from the outside how sad it was living through that and appreciate how far I've come in overcoming it. I've (and all of us who've been able to survive similar situations) done a good job. Richard's work helped me see that.
@abbarabba21
@abbarabba21 15 күн бұрын
We might consider the ethics of media outlets that give this woman a platform. It feels very cynical to put a likely unwell woman on a major talk show who's implicitly being accused of serious crimes and self-identifying as the subject of this show. People are saying they have no sympathy for someone who outed herself, well, hey, there's media outlets giving her that platform entirely complicit and responsible for making this a much more fucked situation for everyone. We are in the middle of witnessing a deeply complicated story unfold between two tortured people and an international audience; might be worth giving a fuck about how our thinking and commentary plays a part in how things shake out.
@bethandoeswords6750
@bethandoeswords6750 15 күн бұрын
I think what Richard Gadd did was therapeutic writing at its essence and Netflix failed in their duty of care to everyone involved. It was Richard’s intention that people not be identified - so it is then on the company to make sure that is the case. Yes, he could have made some better choices in the script by changing elements that wouldn’t hurt the story (the job she says she has, the hanging curtains joke etc) even him playing himself is ethically really dodgy territory! (It does make it so powerful though) I’ve not been able to stop thinking about the show at all - I thought it was wonderfully written and explored, but all the bother that’s come after it has made me so sad. We have a culture of name and shame, and whilst Netflix and Richard may not have anticipated its success, there really could have been things put in place to help prevent this. I do not think this woman should have a platform at all. The fact it was a Piers Morgan show she went on just shows that it’s not the right situations she is putting herself in and she is being indulged by the wrong people - people messaging her, the talk show, etc. it makes me hurt for all the people who have had similar experiences to Richard and to know that in a lot of these cases, the people who intend you harm (in whatever way it’s displayed) can thrive right beside you and you can’t escape it. That was a bit of a soapbox rant, I do apologise.
@bethandoeswords6750
@bethandoeswords6750 15 күн бұрын
I should add, what I’m worried about is the people who immediately found her and involved themselves in the story. It wasn’t just a released show and then her coming out as Martha. It was a few days where there were dedicated people over Reddit and Facebook etc, going through old Twitter posts etc, and sharing all the info they had found - which then naturally turned into people with more clout like Piers Morgan getting involved.
@hannarealestate
@hannarealestate 16 күн бұрын
Much respect for talking about something so real and so under-discussed
@user-fn8bq7ef7t
@user-fn8bq7ef7t 12 күн бұрын
Sooooo where was all this concern about privacy and internet sleuthing when the Legion 52 Part TikTok story came out? I feel like a lot of this thumb twiddling is because the abuser is a woman in this case. People see her and don’t see a threat. They feel pity for her just as Gadd did in the beginning. But she is a threat, and she has done terrible things to Gadd and other people.
@AnaPie896
@AnaPie896 15 күн бұрын
3:09, wow instant new subscriber here! I’m so touched by how much empathy and kindness you have for both the author’s family and towards the woman having a mental health crisis in this message 🩷
@mialarosa4434
@mialarosa4434 16 күн бұрын
I love the share of your experience, Kayla. Many people can relate from a personal perspective hearing about someone like Elaina, or from characters in the Netflix series. I like the questions you pose for discussions. Basically, "What would you do or not do?" How did that choice affect everyone involved? What was the final end? It's not JUST the story itself. From a personal perspective, ANY type of stalker is scary FIRST! Sure, the person is ill, that's a given, and you can want to have all the empathy in the world for them. That said, if you've been their fascination on any level that empathy turns to fear that never leaves you and you learn to live in shadows to protect not only yourself, but those you love. You never fully trust anyone. Polly Anna is DEAD. The series sounds interesting, the emotions you suggested seem spot on. You did the right thing regarding Elaina. That took courage, and you did exactly what you were "supposed" to do. Well done Kayla ❤
@intrepidabsurdist
@intrepidabsurdist 9 күн бұрын
Yes, I think the people in this story have a right to privacy, but it is not Richard Gadd’s responsibility to ensure that privacy. He has the right to tell his story. It doesn’t help that she outed herself so thoroughly.
@kgjames3603
@kgjames3603 12 күн бұрын
The fact that she's sacrificed her anonymity to become a celebrity feels like the exact sort of move I would expect from how the show depicted her. I can't stand the sight of Piers Moron, so I haven't watched the interview, but I can only imagine what it must feel like to see her becoming a recognisable face and milking it for her own benefit. It's about power. He got to tell his own story, but even keeping her name out of it, she couldn't let him have that power. Classic abuser stuff.
@tj-8422
@tj-8422 16 күн бұрын
This was so unexpected and I really appreciated your takes in this video, Kayla. I say keep up the good work (you always produce good work, I mean re new video concepts etc.)
@cs6465
@cs6465 16 күн бұрын
This is your best video. Don't get me wrong, I like your other videos, but I would love to see more like this from you. Thank you for making this
@CathysWorld383
@CathysWorld383 15 күн бұрын
I think Richard Gad took the necessary measures to protect her identity, and I have no sympathy for her because she outed herself. It’s her own fault, not Richard’s.
@SmileyxKyley
@SmileyxKyley 9 күн бұрын
I think including unaltered quotes from publicly available posts (like her tweet, which is how she was eventually identified) was probably misguided. Feel free to use the unedited quotes from the emails, hell, even use the raw audio from the voicemails. But you have to realize that when you search the quote about the curtains in Richard Gadd’s twitter mentions, it’s going to show up. IMO he shouldn’t have to protect her identity in the first place, but as far as I understand, since he made it out to be a true story (although he’s since added that parts are dramatized) legally it’s not really okay if any of the “dramatized” aspects are defamatory. Like if she genuinely has never been in jail for stalking in previous instances, it’s defamatory to say in the series that “Martha” was.
@DJthehuman
@DJthehuman 16 күн бұрын
heard a lot about baby reindeer, this was the piece to finally decide to watch it. always love your videos kayla, you are a great storyteller and any style of video you post is sure to be solid
@mutantsupremacies
@mutantsupremacies 16 күн бұрын
I am someone who is schizophrenic and has experienced stalking. I have not seen this show because it would be too triggering for me, but at some point, there has to be a recognition and accountability that despite a persons mental illness, they have to take some responsibility.
@jazmineraymond7495
@jazmineraymond7495 15 күн бұрын
Yeah, she didn't have to stalk him, he chose too.
@sillygo0oser
@sillygo0oser 9 күн бұрын
@@jazmineraymond7495 *she chose to (Sorry)
@jazmineraymond7495
@jazmineraymond7495 9 күн бұрын
@@sillygo0oser I blame autocorrect.
@Littlestraincloud
@Littlestraincloud 15 күн бұрын
I hope Chris Rice sent you a muffin basket
@seattlejayde
@seattlejayde 15 күн бұрын
Wow, you summarized this brilliantly
@judebarriscale223
@judebarriscale223 15 күн бұрын
So insightful, kind, and well put x
@Cloudsurfer69
@Cloudsurfer69 15 күн бұрын
This was really good mate! Loved the personal story and connection to then subject matter
@collinmarlin921
@collinmarlin921 15 күн бұрын
This was such a great video. I really liked this format!
@camilaaroca7108
@camilaaroca7108 15 күн бұрын
Kayla this might be your best video to date, it was absolutely fantastic
@MaryisMary
@MaryisMary 15 күн бұрын
Speaking as someone currently studying to be a licensed psychometrician, I just want to let you know that what you did aligns with our code of ethics (I'm Philippines-based). The moment our client states an intention of harming another person, we have to violate their confidentiality and warn that person to protect them. The safety and protection of someone's life and wellbeing is a right considered more important the privacy of an individual.
@chrisbuckley1785
@chrisbuckley1785 15 күн бұрын
Kudos to you Mama.... for spilling...
@DionysianLaw
@DionysianLaw 15 күн бұрын
underrated comment
@westophateforever
@westophateforever 16 күн бұрын
love this 🫶 thank you for sharing
@lalaunascope
@lalaunascope 15 күн бұрын
Absolutely fantastic video. This was a really empathetic, nuanced take on this show and the situation in general.
@livharris7776
@livharris7776 15 күн бұрын
It’s probably telling of my age but my first thought of a vampire author and her author son was Anne Rice not Stephanie Meyer..
@missdenisebee
@missdenisebee 11 күн бұрын
Same!
@stereofuzzoffical
@stereofuzzoffical 15 күн бұрын
I love your content, I always leave with a different perspective than I had before…and this was one of those times..I just binge-watched this series on Netflix and you said everything I was thinking while watching it, I just didn’t know how to articulate it my thoughts, It was such a thrilling, entertaining yet somber story to watch unfold, especially when I found out it was actually based on real life events.
@duartsy
@duartsy 15 күн бұрын
This is lowkey my favorite video you’ve ever done, i just wish it was longer
@cvl1030
@cvl1030 16 күн бұрын
Great video! I’ve been enjoying everything you put out!
@talonthehand
@talonthehand 16 күн бұрын
I like changing things up from time to time - wouldn’t mind seeing more :)
@danim896
@danim896 16 күн бұрын
Ugh Kayla once again great work. Please look up crackhead Barney 😭😭
@jrb409
@jrb409 11 күн бұрын
Really enjoyed this video Kayla. It was great
@Musical_Kook
@Musical_Kook 16 күн бұрын
Great video! Very insightful
@iain9757
@iain9757 16 күн бұрын
I think we all stand on the edge and watch the Rabbit Hole. It’s why we all consume trash on the tv or online to make sure we don’t fall in.
@Myoriginal.
@Myoriginal. 15 күн бұрын
Been waiting for this vid. Love this channel 😍
@TheArea42
@TheArea42 16 күн бұрын
I can’t stand it when artists are held accountable for the actions of audiences members. Not that I’m defending the show, as I’m not the biggest fan, but Rick and Morty creator Dan Harmon being asked to answer for the stupid “szechuan sauce” incident is simply unfair. It’s not his fault that people are morons.
@tejpikle5876
@tejpikle5876 15 күн бұрын
Such a well written video, Kayla! I have been following you since your first Drag Race rant and it’s so good to see how you have honed your craft and love this trajectory! The video was great and I really hope that you continue to making more like these ❤
@aviandekeizer9208
@aviandekeizer9208 15 күн бұрын
I know this is a departure from your normal content, but I really enjoy it! Good job blending your personal experience within, and examining theoretical questions around, art, identity, and privacy.
@mobyoctopad
@mobyoctopad 15 күн бұрын
This was a great video! Please include more anecdotal/narrative content, Kayla!
@matthewmcdonald3451
@matthewmcdonald3451 16 күн бұрын
Loved this format
@user-xg8qj4nz2h
@user-xg8qj4nz2h 16 күн бұрын
This was a fantastic video please make more in this style
@cwag07
@cwag07 16 күн бұрын
This was an incredible video Kayla
@TheDawnofVanlife
@TheDawnofVanlife 15 күн бұрын
My biggest issue with the "real Martha" getting all this publicity is it basically has made Richard her target all over again. I actually missed the "based on a true story bit" because I was distracted when I hit play on Netflix and watched the whole thing as fiction. Finding out it was based on real events and that the lead actor was also the victim of a stalker like Martha made me appreciate the artistry of it. Everyone's now distracted by being true crime sleuths instead of enjoying the art for the art and the catharsis it hopefully allowed its author. And I find it rather disgusting.
@iain9757
@iain9757 16 күн бұрын
I think we would all happily tell the truth about everything but there are just people especially online who are your moral enemy for no reason you can understand. The internet is full of bots and haters and just very mentally unwell people. I think this is one of you best so far while being very different from you normal content. The end result doesn’t really matter when it’s more about the thrill of getting there especially the internet. It’s fun of speculation, joining in with an online community and connecting the dots especially with a tv show- no one actually cares what the ending is
@anthonyrau5313
@anthonyrau5313 15 күн бұрын
You are a great content creator! Loved this video
@sophtube6617
@sophtube6617 15 күн бұрын
This was a really great video!!!
@rowannnnnnnnn
@rowannnnnnnnn 14 күн бұрын
Magnificent video, my dear. Bravo 👏
@Pingota24
@Pingota24 11 күн бұрын
Kayla thanks for yours videos. It help me so much in my listening. I'm from Spain and I love your channel, yours opinions are so interesting. Only I need to say it 💜
@ViliFerrari
@ViliFerrari 15 күн бұрын
Discovered your channel recently, this video was great!
@brandonmcauley2911
@brandonmcauley2911 14 күн бұрын
I love your videos! You remind me so much of the Daily Show from my university days. You’re poignant, intelligent, fair and have your finger on the pulse of internet culture. I really appreciate your content. Thank you!
@ruwaydah3363
@ruwaydah3363 16 күн бұрын
amazing video!!
@rodrigo354
@rodrigo354 15 күн бұрын
Cool video! Loved the story you told.
@cimi1272
@cimi1272 16 күн бұрын
I really liked BR. But it left me with questions and ideas that went unanswered. I don’t even know what those questions were? I guess just unease. I think due to how open Richard is with his thoughts and feelings regarding the show just made me rethink some of my private thoughts. I don’t understand how someone can be so open about their mistakes. How that’s contributed to their mental health. It’s a melancholy feeling. On one hand someone is is being the worst person you know and you’re disgusted. On the other, you understand and empathise completely with how he feels. Seeing him go further and emphasise with Martha/Fiona is just unsettling, but feels so real
@annablackwell444
@annablackwell444 15 күн бұрын
Loved this video Kayla. I find your personal experience so fascinating, and it's important to defend the art of storytelling. I think it must be terrifying to create something nowadays with the threat of it being completely pulled apart online..
@rocyrino
@rocyrino 16 күн бұрын
Are the authors Anne and Christopher Rice?
@Nickp725
@Nickp725 16 күн бұрын
Congrats on 100K!
@HannahPowersTheYoutuber
@HannahPowersTheYoutuber 15 күн бұрын
kayla this video was phenomenal!!!! Excellent story telling, I found myself relating very similarly to curiousity driving me to work possibly outside of my own best interest. People like fiona and elena give us such a fantastical escape from the duller and sadder parts of our reality.- sent from iphoen
@sphynxboogies
@sphynxboogies 9 күн бұрын
I love this video. Thank you for sharing your story. I used to work with people with mental illness, addiction & developmental disorders, and they would definitely act in ways that people around them struggled with supporting, including myself. Truth be told, when someone is a danger to themselves or others, even those closest to the person are left at a loss for what the best solution is. And that’s why unfortunately we have no choice but to try to trust the systems in place to protect others and the person - regardless of how shitty, broken & fucked up they are. There is just simply no other choice. So I guess I’m saying this because 1. I’m proud of you for making the call you did & 2. I think the making of baby reindeer was completely within the right of the victim - especially because the perpetrators identity was hidden before they themselves revealed it. I just wonder if gender roles had been reversed if the world would see it differently.
@Tacom4ster
@Tacom4ster 15 күн бұрын
Congrats on 100 K subscribers! 🎉
@pieguyandfries5401
@pieguyandfries5401 12 күн бұрын
Really great video 👍
@yeet-lj3dr
@yeet-lj3dr 15 күн бұрын
great video!!
@dannielleburrus6117
@dannielleburrus6117 15 күн бұрын
Great video!
@claire_2288
@claire_2288 15 күн бұрын
I LOVED this video and I really appreciate you sharing your story. I had a lot of the same thoughts and questions about the ethics of the show while watching it. I ultimately settled on the thought that even with all its potential problems, the catharsis the show brought to people who've struggled with these taboo subjects is why it needed to be made. The show is a necessary and honest depiction of victimhood; the good, the bad, and the ugly.
@karleeschilling7245
@karleeschilling7245 16 күн бұрын
Baby reindeer helped me too. From my own perspective and that of my stalkers too.
@laurendavi1989
@laurendavi1989 15 күн бұрын
loved this video
@donnaimanbrown
@donnaimanbrown 15 күн бұрын
I’m not going to watch the show, but great video! I like the fresh approach a lot. It’s tricky when the things in place to supposedly “help” people, create the very problem you’re trying to solve.
@silashurd3597
@silashurd3597 4 күн бұрын
HOL’ UP! How is it that a couple days ago on the plane, I saw the guy sitting next to me watching this show, and now I’m coming across this video on that show??! WHAT IS HAPPENING??!!!?
@jiggyg123
@jiggyg123 15 күн бұрын
Dude loved the intro!!
@Thenewboidahlia
@Thenewboidahlia 16 күн бұрын
I appreciate you not naming the writer and her son, considering wasn’t it a year ago now or so she passed?
@ThatLizHunter
@ThatLizHunter 15 күн бұрын
I also worked overnight as a tv news producer! I just quit that job and lol, those phone calls are something else
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