Arendal 1961 1S & 1V Subwoofer Review

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Intro: 0:00
1s: 1:26
1v: 5:25
vs RSL Speedwoofer 12s: 8:13
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@Simplektis 5 ай бұрын

It would be absolutely awesome to have a comparison bideo between the Arendals and the SVS 2000-3000 🙌🏼 many ppl would be interested in this

@srbmckenzie 3 ай бұрын

It being exactly as Erin says, subjective, but the Arendal are in a different league (I've owned SB2000, 3000 and now have a 1V)

@aleXtreme_ 3 ай бұрын

Man can't strech enough how valuable the subwoofer reviews you're doing are. There are tons of speaker reviews but not subwoofer. Hope you can do more of them Erin! Always dropping a like on your videos

@ErinsAudioCorner 3 ай бұрын

I appreciate that!

@willbrink 5 ай бұрын

The most pragmatic real world advice for choosing subs yet. Good stuff.

@Mishael_Agyei-Boamah 5 ай бұрын

Indeed... My setup has greatly been sent to the next stratosphere by two of these 1961 1S subwoofers... They've been a revelation 😊

@officialchill1706 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the review and data. The white subs especially look a lot easier to put into a living room without sticking out. Hopefully Arendal can get some of their big boy 1723 subs out!! 🤞

@BL-yj2wp 5 ай бұрын

For a music system and occasional home theatre the 1S is a pretty good choice, something like the RSL (and many other bigger subs) is ... a commitment, especially multiple. If you get the chance in the future, I'd be very interested in a review of the upcoming Buchardt SUB10, maybe they could send you one for review. Also not the highest output for the price, but very compact and quite feature rich.

@user-mz6lt2pr9s 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the review. I have the Arendal 1723 towers and they’re excellent. I can verify their build quality and strong customer service. I went with SVS SB 1000 Pros for my subs. They have a 12 inch driver in a box only about 13 inches wide. They fit my size needs and budget. They were only $900 for the pair open-box from Amazon. Their wireless app is fantastic to control while listening from my chair using my phone or tablet. Peace, love and music!

@demonreturns4336 5 ай бұрын

How do the sb1000 pros perform for you?

@1337sim1 5 ай бұрын

Really appreciate the review! Especially when you mentioned the size difference... The Arendal are babies against the RSL! As you said, it's unfair to compare the output capabilities for 40hz and under. I think the Arendal has the sound, feature and looks lots of people would like. Especially since the SVS 2000-Pro has gone up in price so much. Cheers!

@aceofspades6667 5 ай бұрын

As a 2 channel hifi only enthusiest with Maggie’s the sub data snd reviews is minefield for me. I don’t care about ht, I really don’t care about sub 30 hz excursion, I don’t want to shake the walls of my house, and I don’t want anything that sounds like whale farts. Being a former car audio guy we all know the sound setup for spl flex the windows and rattle the liscense plate off. That scene and sound is like putting a battery to my tongue and a Rusty spoon to my tongue. I want a sealed sub that is lighting fast and doesn’t call attention to itself. Just a bit of punch and presence to help the Maggie’s shine at what they do best. Rel and rythmik servos seem to be the common rec.

@1337sim1 5 ай бұрын

The 1S is a good sealed subwoofer. I don't understand where you're getting at. If you high pass your mains and low pass with a subwoofer you have lots more options of placement to get the best response in your room, compared to let's say... Two big tower speakers.

@stuartboros7693 5 ай бұрын

I have Magnepans LRS+ and the 1961 1S in my 2.1 bedroom system, mainly used for streaming Netflix and the like. Surprisingly easy to integrate the sub with the Maggies (50 hz low pass with a 24db/octave roll off) and more than sufficient extension to shake the walls if I so desire.

@Mishael_Agyei-Boamah 5 ай бұрын

Please do not drink the REL mediocrity koolaid... Get the Arendal or the RSL or the Rythmik

@peterdesmidt8742 Ай бұрын

I built my own open baffle subs using 18" high qts drivers. They sound great with my LRSs.

@BatteryAz1z 5 ай бұрын

Indeed reviewing subs is all about the anechoic measurements. I hope Randy is paying attention.

@johnh3476 5 ай бұрын

He's pretty resistant on changing his mind about that.

@Openeyesopenheart42 5 ай бұрын

Randy is a moron

@vitalii1372 5 ай бұрын

Hey, Erin! Long time have a question about subwoofers. Can you tell me your opinion on is there’s something special in Rythmik direct-servo subs? How it can be measured? Sorry this isn’t about the subs in this reviews. Highly appreciate the job you’re doing here! Thanks for the great content 🙏

@John-ok8ts 5 ай бұрын

I bought a sub and really liked it so I bought another of the same and it sounded/measured so different I thought it was broke but when I swapped their positions it was obviously just the room. Makes me believe the only thing that matters is how loud they get and the compression at all spl volumes. Plus whether they work well at your normal listening volume.

@BatteryAz1z 5 ай бұрын

That plus group delay. I tried integrating an SB-1000 Pro with two Arendals but it just wouldn't gel, the SVS has 1+ cycle phase shift going below 30hz while the Arendals stay at half a cycle. So now I just own two 1723 1S and a 1961 1S :P

@hotdog9262 5 ай бұрын

some subs are significantly more snappy then others, usually also having all around better control. matters a lot especially for music. just the fact that a newer sub can make use a good modern class d amp..

@John-ok8ts 5 ай бұрын

@@hotdog9262 Yea that's true but I'm not sure how that shows in measurements which is Erin's thing. What I like to see in measurements is how it handles at different SPLs because I think it really does make a difference to how you perceive how good a sub is and you can then combine that with the more subjective stuff like whether it's fast and details etc

@MikeYoungeasytravel 4 ай бұрын

Hi Erin, can you please try to measure the Monitor Audio Anthra W10 or W12? I’m curious about these subs with their 25mm excursion. Thanks in advance!

@dilbyjones 5 ай бұрын

Nice

@HiFinest343 5 ай бұрын

I have a question about 4:37. Does this measurement imply that this subwoofer wouldn’t be a good candidate for a traditional house curve? The curve rolls off way early, meaning if we try to make the 30-20hz range the peak SPL, we’d be dragging down the 100hz SPL like 15-20dB lower than its capability, when basically means muting so much of its output capability? I’m asking because I have dual SB16’s, and they start to rolloff at like 30hz. So when I applied the house curve, it measured well with my EQ, but it sounded like ass because at higher volumes, I was pushing the low end too hard, and the mid bass was brought down to match the house curve, but I had lost all that SPL by design? This sealed sub I imagine would sound similar when pushed like that. Any thoughts on that? Thanks!

@Scav68 5 ай бұрын

If you can get a sample can you test the REL classic 98 next?

@tomaszoslizo9226 5 ай бұрын

Thanks Erin for another great video. I read somewhere that Arendal has better group delay than many other subs especially SVS. How important this parameter is in your opinion in music listening systems ?

@1337sim1 5 ай бұрын

I think he said that for him it's important to have good group delay around the crossover frequency (if I remember correctly).

@michaelwyckoff7593 5 ай бұрын

Hey Dizzle😊

@MrCommunistGen 20 күн бұрын

I'm currently researching a possible Arendal 1961 1S purchase to go in my very small guest house that I'm currently living in where floor space is at a HUGE premium. I'm currently using some poor, used 6" Sony HTIB sub that I found at a thrift store for $10 to add some bottom end to my KEF Q150 bookshelves (and let me apply a crossover so they're not trying to play deeper than they're comfortable). It barely makes a difference, but it's noticeable, moreso in extension than output. It starts distorting badly just before it's as loud as I want it to be. I think it's a combination of hitting Xmax and some port chuffing... maybe cabinet resonance -- it's just cheap MDF with probably little to no bracing. I've only got about 13" of clearance behind my entertainment center and nowhere else I can put a sub. The Arendal 1961 1S is just about the only subwoofer I've found that'll fit back there. FWIW, an SVS 3000 Micro will fit back there too, but the Arendal should definitely have more output and LFE extension at the same price. Interesting comparison to the RSL Speedwoofer 12s, which piqued my interest... but the RSL is HUGE in comparison. Even the 10s is too big for my current space. Maybe when I'm in a house again I'll go get a Speedwoofer 12s. Wish you had an affiliate link for them.

@andres77fj 5 ай бұрын

Would love to see you reviewing the sigberg-audio-10d sub

@weeooh1 5 ай бұрын

SPL + extension are main criteria, got it. Guess that would knock REL a bit down vs other subs in similar price range.

@Mishael_Agyei-Boamah 5 ай бұрын

Yes... RELs are mostly overpriced midwoofers

@madcrabber1113 5 ай бұрын

I know I am doing it wrong but to my ears using 4 different models of subs in my room but having to adjust them depending on what I am listening to sounds amazing to my ears.

@CC-xu2yz 5 ай бұрын

Not wrong.

@Artcore103 5 ай бұрын

Yes wrong. Not the 4 different models but the constant adjusting - if you keep physically adjusting controls on the subs that is. If you're just pushing a button on a remote big deal. Nothing is ever set up perfectly for all sources and all material. But a computer is the best source for everything, and the best audio control center. AVR's are dumb and a rip off. Power amp(s), DAC and/or DSP processor (miniDSP for example), is all you need and is better in every way except convenience for noobs in the initial setup.

@l.s.1709 5 ай бұрын

You mean you adjust the settings on all your 4 subs every time you play a different album or movie?

@samsneediii1793 5 ай бұрын

Actual dimensions for Rsl 23×19×23 the box it comes in at 29×25×29 is the container size. With that being said it still is a bit bigger than the 1961 1v. I bet the two played simultaneously are beastly. So I guess i need round up the funds to get a Rsl.

@magnusdanielsson2749 5 ай бұрын

One need to remember that the free field curves say very little about how itll perform in room. Even half space or ground plane isnt really helpfull. In room youd typically see around 10-15 dB higher lvl at 20 hz compared to half space.

@ErinsAudioCorner 5 ай бұрын

Of course.

@sudd3660 5 ай бұрын

for people with no dsp and time delay to mains option, the processing delay on a active subwoofer would be helpful to know.

@ErinsAudioCorner 5 ай бұрын

I have group delay provided on my website. Looks like 15ms (which includes ~3ms of delay due to the 1 meter distance).

@sudd3660 5 ай бұрын

@@ErinsAudioCorner thanks, then the group delay at the crossover point is the one to look out for.

@BatteryAz1z 5 ай бұрын

@@sudd3660 According to Arendal the DSP processing delay is 8 ms. Add 3ms plus half a cycle and that's about what Erin measured. It's super worth it to invest in a minidsp flex though before buying expensive subs that you can't integrate well.

@valtomus7214 5 ай бұрын

Your size comparison appears to be completely wrong. YOu have listed the RSL 12s at 29"x29"x25" which their wbsite says is its shipping dimensions. The real dimensions are 22.75"x18.875"x22.25"

@demonreturns4336 5 ай бұрын

Damn that’s a BIG difference 🙀

@D1N02 5 ай бұрын

More useful than Cheap Audio Man complaining about it not rattling his teeth

@michaelratner8890 5 ай бұрын

Given how servo subs use lower distortion as their selling point, curious why you don't show any distortion info.

@ErinsAudioCorner 5 ай бұрын

It’s on my site. Along with group delay.

@nealphelps5260 5 ай бұрын

I believe your RSL size dimensions are off. Maybe those are the shippee box dimensions? The RSL I know is 18.75 in wide.

@ErinsAudioCorner 5 ай бұрын

You are correct. I’ll edit the video.

@edwardnevill242 4 ай бұрын

How should we think about frequency response vs CEA 2010 data? E.g., in your frequency response for the 1S, you list max SPL of 108db and compression of 20db at 20hz, whereas the CEA 2010 data states it can produce 102db at 20hz. Ignoring room gain, which is more applicable to real world use? Thanks!!

@ErinsAudioCorner 4 ай бұрын

Personally, max SPL wrt frequency response is more important.

@edwardnevill242 4 ай бұрын

@@ErinsAudioCorner how come? Maybe I’m misunderstanding, but your frequency responses give me the impression that the 102db CEA value isn’t achievable in regular content… really appreciate the response!

@JohnTwo1 5 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot for the review. I own a 1S and it is a steal compared to the SVS SB-1000 pro, 3000 micro and KEF KC62. Highly recommend it instead.

@carltoft5097 5 ай бұрын

Hey any news on a Ascend Acoustics Sierra LX review?

@ErinsAudioCorner 5 ай бұрын

Nope. I haven’t talked to Dave in a while. Although if I asked, I’m sure he would be willing to send one out if enough interest is there from the audience.

@carltoft5097 5 ай бұрын

@@ErinsAudioCorner Thanks for the answer. I hope it gets reviewed as i am considering buying them as my first good speakers:)

@zefrog7482 5 ай бұрын

Hi Erin. Any idea if you will get the chance to review the PSB Alpha IQ in future? Relatively cheap small powered speaker, seems interesting.🙂

@ErinsAudioCorner 5 ай бұрын

Not sure.

@jalmagro36 3 ай бұрын

I missed the harmonic distortion part, it's a pity

@harisjaved1379 5 ай бұрын

Erin! Subwoofer is the Hardest thing to review! I commented on your previous video on subwoofer integrated into a 2.1 system and it has been hell. I am thinking just removing it from my 2 channel system.

@ErinsAudioCorner 5 ай бұрын

It’s easy to review. It’s hard to integrate. Two things can be true at the same time. 🙃

@l.s.1709 5 ай бұрын

Why has it been hell? Have you tried using a $100 UMIK-1 and integrate them based on measurements?

@ronalcasid3844 5 ай бұрын

I thought the 1961 series was discontinued? Why review them?

@ErinsAudioCorner 5 ай бұрын

Not their subwoofers.

@simoSLJ89 5 ай бұрын

The only problem is that SVS has the App for the 1000 line, while Arendal has the App only for the bigger brother 2S/2V. I find the app really useful.

@seanb3303 5 ай бұрын

I think Elac wins the app battle. With ELAC you can measure your room inside the app and auto or manual correction can be done for delay, phase, etc

@simoSLJ89 5 ай бұрын

@@seanb3303 didn't know! Never tried it.

@user-gf7kj5vj3p 2 ай бұрын

Probably better for a Hifi sub tbh

@IrenESorius 5 ай бұрын

AC⚡DC,, 🔥🥰🔥 Thank you kindly Erin, for the time, work and money you are investing and sharing your knowledge,, ☀🌟❣🙏❣🌟☀

@ErinsAudioCorner 5 ай бұрын

You are so welcome!

@IrenESorius 5 ай бұрын

@@ErinsAudioCorner 💖

@Bradimus1 5 ай бұрын

I think they need an app for the setup of these, but they seem well made. Drop the screen to add BT or WiFi.

@kungfooey6571 5 ай бұрын

They have an app.

@Bradimus1 5 ай бұрын

@@kungfooey6571 oh, I missed that!

@jdm724 5 ай бұрын

15ms latency.... Arendal rep said 7ms

@ErinsAudioCorner 5 ай бұрын

Just make sure to subtract about 3ms for time of flight due to mic distance of 1 meter.

@longplayer8600 5 ай бұрын

Never seen a reviewer less comfortable with using subjective phrases to describe stuff.

@sudd3660 5 ай бұрын

it is like a human trying to be a robot....

@cvstuff1409 5 ай бұрын

How does an engineer say I love you?...."I'm experiencing an epogenetic phenomenon whenever I get visual confirmation you are near. This is stimulated by 3 chemicals in the brain: noradrenaline that stimulates adrenaline production, dopamine and phenylethylamine. Fertile female do you reciprocate?"

@Roddy451 5 ай бұрын

Have you danced with the Devil by the pale moonlight?... Why, no... but the dang algorithm would love to.

@tylerrynberg 5 ай бұрын

The low frequency output on these is very poor for the price.... Not a good value at all.

@Harrisongrey19 5 ай бұрын

Not a good value for who? everyone? Or just you?

@Bradimus1 5 ай бұрын

Just a relatively small enclosure. Something is gonna give.

@BL-yj2wp 5 ай бұрын

These don't offer the highest SPL for their price, but is that really everything that counts for everyone?

@twistacatz 5 ай бұрын

@@Harrisongrey19 Let's not use the word value. How about SPL below 40hz given the cost? I mean you can phrase it however you want. When the first graph came up on the screen I almost died laughing. If you need expensive, small subs with weak output after 40hz look no further.

@CC-xu2yz 5 ай бұрын

It's all about tradeoffs.