Thank you sir!

Thank you, sir. Thank you for your input. It is nice to hear other opinions on the same subject. Thanks for watching!

Agreed buddy... Nice comment

Thanks. I will have more on both scopes in coming weeks.

Thanks man.

The EP5 will most definitely outperform the SH4 6-24x on high magnification.

It is better for sure. The eye box on the Midas was just slightly better than better EP5

The Delta scopes are KILLER. I have looked at a few and have not had any luck getting a hold of one yet.

I'd research the Warranty and if they actually have a USA warranty center to repair scopes. I don't think they swap out warranty issues for brand new scopes. You don't want to have to mail your scope internationally for any warranty issues. The Trijicon Tenmile appears to be a very similar scope with a Lifetime Warranty and it's a USA company. Nevermind scratch those suggestions, the Trijicon Tenmile only has a 5 year warranty on their electronics not lifetime while the Delta Stryker has a 10 year warranty for the original owner.

The EP5 beat the Helos in a video I done. The Helos ret is just a little thick for me on high power. Thanks for watching

@@pantherhollow5290 awesome, thanks for the info! Yes I agree, that's my only complaint I have about the Helos.

@@pantherhollow5290 Thanks for another great Video, Does this comment on mr Russell's question only apply to the MOA version? Because if that the only factor the Helos would be the choice since the MRAD version has a much finer reticle and is completely different from the MOA version. Is this true?

@@francoisstoltz7762 the ret thickness is the same on both versions. But the mil floating dot is better in my opinion.

I'd personally buy the Midas TAC 6-24x50 (currently $500-$600) and run a 20moa rail. I was going to buy an Arken EP5 until this review stated it's good up to around 20x. At least the Midas TAC 6-24x50 is good throughout it's entire magnification range and wouldn't worry about Athlon staying in business or not having an instant replacement for a warrantied scope.

The old camera I had out does not have a external mic hookup. I was not wanting to get out my new camera in those conditions. Thanks.

@@pantherhollow5290 I know then struggle. What I have done is that I just record with my phone with the lavalier microphone and match with waveform post production to things all nice. The nice thing about is that you can have your phone in your jacket pocket recording and the lav mic is just on your jacket.

@@MontanaAirGunner Thanks man. I will try that. Thanks for the tip. Thank you for watching.

yes, the Midas is a Great scope for the money.

I am working on a video that addresses this issue!

@@pantherhollow5290 Awesome! Thanks for everything you do!

When all 4-16x of these scopes are compared side by side, the Midas Tac is hands down, the clearest and probably the most reliable followed by the Arken EPL4 then SH4 then Element Optics Helix last. The Midas Tac is also clearer with better turrets than the Element Titan. It's also very close in optical clarity compared to the Nexus believe it or not. Many would even say they like the Midas Tac better than the Nexus. I prefer the Ares BTR Gen 2 over the Nexus.

go with the EP5.. better tracking!

@@pantherhollow5290 thanks a lot

If you can get the Athlon Midas TAC 6-24x50 at a reasonable price ($500-$600) I'd get that instead. Use a 20moa rail if needed. It's hands down the best Chinese made scope in it's price range especially if glass quality and price reliable tracking are important to you.

@@comeonsense2022 I'd recommend the Ares BTR Gen 2 4.5-27x50 whenever they go on sale for under $600. Much better image quality than the Midas Tac.

they are almost the same. I would guess the glass is probably the same grade.

Okay. Thans mike

The image quality is noticeably better on my Ares BTR Gen 2 4.5-27x50 than my Midas Tac 6-24x50. They both use Athlon's HD glass but to my own eyes, I prefer the Ares BTR Gen 2 glass much better and it should be superior since there's a $200 price difference. I haven't bought the 5-25x56 34mm Midas Tac since I don't think they are worth the price they charge even on sale since the Ares BTR Gen 2 has nicer glass compared to the 6-24x50 Midas Tac. I can tell you that the Ares BTR Gen 2 is better than a lot of scopes price much higher and when you buy them on sale for under $600 it's guaranteed you will feel really good about your purchase with no regrets.

Thank you for you input. Thank you for watching

Yup, without a doubt! Athlon all the way.

The Aries is a very nice upgrade to the Midas. More travel and better glass.

I love my ETR. The glass is much better than the tac.

@@maxcopple8187 Been thinking of etr, I have midas tac. Is it that noticeable of a difference in glass?

@@Neverknight2 yes. That is the main thing you are paying for with the increase in price. The glass on the tac is not bad but especially if you are going to shoot at distances over 400 yards the difference is much more noticeable at longer ranges. The tac is still a good scope though.

A 20mm rail would be a much cheaper upgrade.

LOL.. Wrong... I guess you have not seen my other videos?

Mike at Panther Hollow sells both Arken and Athlon as well as Element Optics brands of scopes so I really don't think there's any bias regarding his recommendations. In fact, he doesn't even sell Tract Optics or Maven and he did favorable reviews on the ones he got and spoke highly of March which he doesn't even sell. Mike is one of the few people I personally trust on KZfaq for unbiased reviews and trustworthy opinions. X-RING is the other honest KZfaq reviewer I personally trust who will tell it exactly like it is without sugarcoating anything and even does some drop tests and see if the scopes or equipment fails after actual testing.

will do

Another good comparison would be the Element Nexus 5-20x50 vs the Arken EP5 specifically at 5-20x. We were really surprised to see how incredibly close they were in glass and the EP5 smoked the Nexus in turrets and tracking. This will be a really eye opening test if you publish one on KZfaq. It's probably what Rex Reviews really meant about the Arken EP5 beating $1500 Japanese scopes.

trying to keep the cost down on a great scope !!

I wish they came with a few things in the box just to keep pace with these other brands.. 🙂

Get the cheaper 6-24x50 Midas TAC and use a 20moa rail.

@@comeonsense2022 I like to use Burris Signature XTR rings instead of a 20 MOA base. They are the best rings money can buy and never leave a single mark or blemish on your scopes and adds up to 30-40 MOA if and when needed and never require any lapping. Your scope will still look brand new as though it's never been mounted before.

So, let's get some number right. Sunshade is $25 Rings $60 Level $20 Scope covers $35 Arken EP5 $550 Athol Midas Tac $750 out of my shop. Both scopes are good, and they out preform each other in different categories. Arken EP5 Scopes are going up in price. I am not sure of the new price yet and the goodies will not be free for long!

@@pantherhollow5290 And there you have it! Propping up mech that you sell. I knew you had an agenda.

@@scanyoursector5731 Umm yea! I never said that I did not have a shop.. No agenda for me bud, this is a hobby... plus you had the prices wrong.. lol..

If you're getting all that for $550, then they are skimping somewhere. Nothing is free.

@@FC2ESWS If you look at reviews outside of YT, the reviews for Arken QC and CS seem all over the place. I'm thinking you can get lucky and end up with a really really nice scope that compares with higher end scopes, or you just end up with a "$500 scope".

no.. I have done plenty of these types of videos and they seem to work in the platform offered. would you like to donate a camera??

I do not know I have not handled the CTS scopes.

Depending on when the video was shot and what the conditions were, my opinion may have changed!! the scopes themselves may have gotten better or worse. Scope upgrades happen ALL the time. even if the label does not change the scope may have been upgraded. Let's take the Element Titian for example. The first scopes I received to test were REALLY good and then they made some changes to the glass to save money and they REALLY sucked. The upgrades in the (Glass) were not upgrades at ALL. The 3rd gen of that scope came out 9 months after the first Gen.. and the branding never changed.. so sorry for changing my mind, this is how the scope companies play the game, so I have to adapt along with them to give my viewers a truthful and honest video..

@@pantherhollow5290 Such terrible news regarding Element Optics if their practices is in fact downgrading their glass quality (probably for much higher profits is totally believable) instead of making improvements while their prices remain ridiculously high. No wonder people who bought them when they first came out several years ago had a much better satisfaction ratios compared to right now. For the price Element Optics charge, you can actually buy TWO much better EP5 scopes or the far superior Athlon Ares BTR Gen 2 currently on sale for much cheaper. I've heard recent comments that any other cheaper brand of scope is better than the Element Titan including the Discovery PRS for half the price of the Titan. Coming from people who got burnt buying their overpriced Element Optics scopes based on all of the previous hype. As I said many times before, regarding Element Optics scopes, their glass aren't their strong point and you're paying way too much money when buying anything from that brand when there's superior alternatives sold by other brands such as Athlon for example for around the same prices or even cheaper. There's also been reports of their Titans turrets seizing up and just poor quality control. There have been reports of even some of their super expensive Nexus scopes that slipped through quality control even though they're supposed to be made in Japan. Their Helix has very terrible glass for the prices they charge. They really are in dire need of better quality glass that's for sure!!! I've spoken to a couple of Element Optics dealers and asked what they though about the actual longevity of the brand to actually honor their lifetime warranty and was told that's a good question. They're also really hyped up by a lot of air gun shooters so no wonder they don't need good glass if they aren't shooting long distance anyway and reading all the customer reviews sure enough it's air gun shooters who recommend buying Element Optics scopes.

LOL.. You are right. Thanks for watching buddy.

It wouldn't count since it's not visible unless it's totally dark.

@@comeonsense2022 You got THAT right!!! It sucks!

no need it is online!

Tell Arken to please use better quality glass...

@@comeonsense2022 Not only that, but make sure the employees are shipping the right things. Their quality control is also horrible.