Battle of the Neck, Ottomans to the Anzacs after the second wave. After that Ottomans literally prayed for the death Anzacs after the 'massacare'

.. russians will say (Whiat is the Problem? Chappens All se Time!

@@gabelnewborn To be fair, yep, it's not a problem for russians.

No need to imagine; Ukraine's alreedy in one.

For the vast majority if people it’s still better than using their brains.

Classic cinematographers were something else

@@dingusbingus7463 Think you're right. Today's movie would cut between the soldiers and the machine gun.

@@user-dc1ud6px3s there are still some really good DP/cinematographers out there, they just tend not to work on the "blockbuster" movies produced for mass consumption.

/Quake has entered the room

Those armored troops were right out of Monty Python! “Get up, it’s just a flesh wound!”

Funny how that was the concept of TANKS back in ww1.

@@Historylover-ho6lg "Because we tried that last time...and 17 times before that."

A quote from Black Adder?

​@@vaughanpower4538Yes. "How could you possibly know that, Blackadder?! It's classified information!"

@@thecircleoft.e.d2121 And because we've done it 18 times before, they won't expect us to do it now! (or something like that)

But there is no doubt that their armour was of little use and the Italian soldiers made a pointless

Made me imagine a bunch of Black Knights (John Cleese) heading off.

@@darjeelingenfield7966 Their best bet would have been to use that armor in a static defense. That is the worst terrain one can imagine for any sort of charge

The armour shown in the film is actually an American design that came about just before or during WW1. I think it’s called Brewster body armour or something. The Italians had their own armour they wore in WW1 and it looked much better than that. Many other nations also had similar ideas, but you can look that up yourself.

@@Highlander_Red The italian armour concepts used by units such as the Arditi were for hand to hand combat in the alps and not really what we'd call 'body armour' by todays standards. It was just crude metal plating that consisted of a breastplate, shoulder guards and a specialized helmet called a Farina. The American Brewster armour was designed to deflect shrapnel and potentially bullets (unlikely lol) for pushing across open terrain in no man's land. The Italians designed it for melee fights in the CQC of the alps so it needed to be more mobile and lighter. WW1 was simply insanity....

"You see, killbots have apreset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men until they reached their limit and shut down."

That isnt 100% right at least for west front. Generals were in difficutal situation to make breakthrough just with men. Really quickly they start underground war and also war in the sky also huge artillery preparation but they lack most of time better option than send soliders in wawes to enemy.

This armor probably made 1 bullet ricochet inside the armor several times causing more harm than if the bullet had just grazed them. made them bigger target. only protected them from indirect fire. disgusting and yes that general deserved to be hanged for treason

Was the Garbage Can Squad a real thing? I think its made up as they would have tested it first and seen the garbage was not think enough.

The garbage can guys actually made it the furthest. Not because the armor protected them from the bullets, but because the Austrians were so confused by what they were seeing that they hesitated in a major way and held their fire.

Some men go insane from injuring someone, what’s ur point? 😂😂

@@Baegitte POV: braindead

@@Baegitte The point was made, and quite clearly. You're just not that bright.

Well said mate. I remember reading about something similar! In the book it wrote a little about the mental strain etc of the machine gunners, stretcher bearers, medical officers and nurses -- during the Gallipoli campaign. And how it was a continuous mental battering from day 1 until we retreated some 9 months later. We sent 18,000 Australians and of those men, about 30% died. Just imagine the Western Front... If I remember correctly, it is around 60% casually rate. I always think of my great pop and how it must have affected him too. Anyway, I'll stop going on! 🙂👍🏻

@@Ozzies hello, what is the name of the book you read?

So just Tanks, then?

@@thecircleoft.e.d2121 What ?

No not a fuel tank. Although I guess you could carry them ON the cistern. But they mean more like a boat but on land. Its crazy no one had made one.

​@@lucass610landship

​@@flaminghailstorm9149Now we are onto something!

LOl

😂 exactly!

When they all were shot down by machine gun I thought their commander will shout: "why are you lying, you lazy bastards, stand up and go forward!" 🤣

“Your guts are hanging out!” “No they’re not!” “Then what’re those?” “…I’ve had worse.”

Tis is but a flesh wound. 😂😂😂

I was thinking Monty Python,

You're both wrong. You guys never watched Blackadder goes forth? "Would this new plan by any chance have us climbing out of our trenches and walking very slowly towards the enemy?"

@@rickoshay5525 yes darling!

I really really need to know what happened to that italian commander. i’m so frustrated by the end of the video that the italians didn’t just turn around and kill that man.

Thank you. I needed a good book recommendation for the summer. Much appreciated!

​@@dolsopolarlook up Cadorno, he was the guy the character was based on

@@dolsopolarYup, I could never understand why the higher-ups in the chain of command were not simply killed by their own troops. After all, many of these soldiers knew such charges were a simple death sentence, with no gain whatsoever. Respect of authority sure is a weird thing.

The armor depicted seems closer to the American Brewster armor!

Modern armies learnt a lot of lessons from world war 1, trained that compassion out of people. Back in those days it was almost gentlemenly, now its clinical.

@@graithen8955 If we aren't careful the future will be sociopaths and actual robots.

Ich glaube man will eher selber überleben als andere retten..

I don't necessarily refrain from wasting ammo... my kit gets lighter the more mags i dump so i can carry more cigarettes and loot

​@@AremStefaniaKJust like every good soldier. 👍

That "soldier" was the commander of this regiment, and was so pissed of the entire bullshit of the war that he charged with his men and died in this attack. It's the guy that screamed "savoia! savoia!" in the beggining

It’s not a lie it’s just insane to use that logic in a modern war. Armor started being fazed out when line battles started happening because even the most rudimentary bullet, the musket ball was able to punch through a lot of armor and the amount of armor needed to stop a musket ball even at that time was largely considered impractical and usually only used for Calvary who had no means to fire back at the enemy. It would be like a modern Lieutenant saying that longbows helped the English win at Agincourt. Yes, that is true but it doesn’t mean in any way that they should be implementing the same tactic on a modern battlefield.

@@samarmstrong904The roman soldiers won because of tactics and discipline, not armor.

@@carcotasu081 I know and I did think about that in my response but the heavy armor definitely did help and regardless I was trying to make a point.

@@carcotasu081 Nope, mostly they won because it was 10000+ bloodthirsty trained men descending on peaceful tribes numbering 10000 maximum everybody counted, who mostly fielded militia aimed at fending off the occasional-cattle raid. Note the bloodshed whenever Romans came up with someone their own equipment level.

Grim.

Reminds me of the people who think they can change their sex by merely wishing it.

@@dudeonyoutube then maybe you're obsessed by them.

@@QT5656 ?

Jajaja muy bueno😂

Well this made me laugh

Winter fighting in mountains also did not help.

On the western front generals were bad also think about French Nivelle and his catastrophe attack!

​@@marcovitali3833no one can defeat Cadorna tho 😂(and enver Pasha)

@@user-hq8tb8dy4t ?

​@@marcovitali3833 Tbf Nivelle used methods he had applied with great results in verdun just a few months prior. The germans just adapted very fast + the plans got leaked

Also if you just blow their legs off, you don't have to get through the armor. Artillery is the main killer in war, so trading the nimbleness of being unarmored for the goofy penguin walk of being armored, you're not doing yourself any favors.

@@nathanbennett9999 Well, for trench raiders, who often attacked at night in small numbers, such armor like what the Arditi wore would absolutely have helped, and it did. Largely because they're in trenches and their armor protects what enemy troops would be shooting at: Their center mass and head. Also keep in mind, the average infantryman in WW1 was using a very long bolt-action rifle. Shotguns were almost exclusively used by Americans, and SMGs were only introduced very late in the war and were also exclusively issued to trench raiders and other special units. Hence, you're an infantryman in a trench, you're being raided, you have to swing your rifle around, bring the sights up, and start shooting. You'd be lucky to get one, *maybe* two shots off if you're lucky before you start getting return fire. If your armor only protects you from one or two shots...well it works well enough!

I'm mostly sure the arditi had a larger variety of armor with leg and arm plates sometimes documented and ye very unlike what bf5 shows ( whowouldhaveguessed ) they would use things like knives clubs or more often just wire cutters with pistols being rare and anything larger probably not used by them

The problem the arditi faced was that their amor was just plain metal, yeah it could stop a few rounds but regardless of the penetration the bullet would still shatter upon impact. You know what was rarely ever armored? Your chin and jaw. When the bullet shattered on the armor the shrapnel shot up and shredded the lower mouth an throat. That’s why modern Kevlar plates use plastics and Kevlar to stop this from occurring.

@@P.W.N.ed_9000 ye and spalling kicked off by rounds didn't have to go far

Thank you for sharing

It's a movie lol

@@jojachow A movie yes but it shows events that happened in WW1 especially during the first year of combat on the western front and later on in the Izonzo Battles. (It may not be 100% historically accurate but it still sends a powefull statement).

The Italians managed to use the Zapp Brannigan tactic of feeding more and more men into the grinder until the enemy didn't have the heart to fight back anymore. They had to rotate out the machine gunners due to the severe trauma of such a slaughter

@@jojachow Lookup Luigi Cadorna, the real WW1 Italian general this is based on. The filmmaker had the misfortune of fighting under his command, and the movie shows parallel versions of real events. They really did force mass human wave attacks, and when that didn't work Luigi blamed the 'cowardice' of his troops and had them decimated - ie, every tenth guy is murdered by the other nine He's pretty much the quintessential shitty WW1 general

He wanted it to work, but knew probably isn't going to work. But his got to try for that small chance that they could easily destory the enemy.

@@lolasdm6959still not an excuse to gun down your own men, let them retreat, rebuild, and d fight stronger another day… Christ that’s how the American Revolution was pretty much won

@@factsinthemiddle1472 American Revolution war won because the fxing French bankrupted themselves to support the Americans, and the British colonial army, the American continental army joined in the revolution. You should look at how well the average militia men fared. One British grenadier charge, lose 2 men, kills 60 Americans the rest couple hundred men ran away. You ain't crap without the backing of a real army.

@kyler6861 You need to work on your reading comprehension. "As secure as anyone could be." He's EFFECTIVELY saying that the armor is useless. You just reiterated his point, and in doing so, made yourself look like an idiot.

​@kyler6861Yeah, and did everyone else. They were as secure as anyone else charging acrossnno-mans land

Is it wrong to laugh at this scene. Seriously these generals had no tactics. I sent waves and of my own men till the enemy got tired of slaughtering them. I gave the all PTSD except a few those ones seemed to enjoy the slaughter, someone should check them along with me for send those poor troops to their death

@@willwaldo8599 Yeah, it's wrong to laugh. They willfully executed these men and made it look like combat to avoid mutiny. The machineguns in WW1 weren't for suppression, they were to force the riflemen to advance.

@@ToyotaTechnicalItalian military was a joke in all wars it’s faced

And also, Mussolini was communist right after ww1 because of shit like this until he created fascism

It wasn't the soldiers who overthrew the tsar by and large. Mostly industrial workers, academics, and then a small number of troops from convalescent units. The Russian army mostly just carried on with the war, though more defensive action and less meat grinder attempts to take ground. Basically it was more the economics and mass media/education that lead to the revolution. Life in Russia was brutal long before WW1, but now there was a growing middle class that had economic power and were educated/awake to how brutal and backwards the Tsarist regine was. What the war really did was move all the Tsar's loyal troops far away from the palace and create an opportunity for what was more of a coup than a revolution, initially.

Nothing to do with their de facto feudal system... nothing to do with tzarist repression... nothing to do with workers struggling to survive... indeed socio-economic conditions do not have any weight in human beings decisions... sure thing Such a lazy and classically rancid vision of yours BTW... I would love to read about your vision on the other imperialists joining forces to assist White counterrevolutionaries, besides arming and supplying them That fact for certain did not contribute at all the civil war (sarcasm on)

@@ismaeljimenez6562it was right before that he was a sociaIist.

And then communism started murdering even more people….

it's d-day everyday on ww2 eastern front.

That happened throughout the war. The french never stopped fighting the germans though. They mutinied against useless charges across no mans land

Not near the end. The most famous was in 1916, during the Battle of Verdun, so pretty much halfway the war. And like MortenHendriksen noted: it was not a real mutiny. They held their lines, fought the enemy when they attacked, still suffered losses, they just refused to do human wave attacks that got the entire unit killed

the problem the french had going back to napoleon at waterloo was despite all evidence to the contrary they believed in the bayonet charge above all else. the situation for example at waterloo when the old guard were sent in was to smash through the enemy line in huge columns .this might work with a demoralised enemy softened up by artillery but put simply wellington had every musket in his army firing at them in line whilst the french could only reply with thirty muskets at the head of each column.even colossal losses to breech loaders in the franco prussian war didnt change their tactics.in ww1 at verdun for example officers were told to ensure their men attacked with empty breeches to be sure they relied on the bayonet. even when they knew as also tragically happened at the somme ,that the enemy had simply withdrawn from the shelled trenches until the barrage was over then returned and that the wire was intact they persisted in full frontal bayonet charges with appalling casualties.in fact the shelling often turned the ground into a qaugmire slowing the troops to a crawl making them even easier targets.also for much of the war the french and british never seemed to grasp the tactics of using machine guns the way the germans did.the british were still doling out 2 per battallion when the germans often had 6 or more per company and machine gun regiments to reinforce attacks or defence.the french soldiers didnt mutiny in the accepted sense they retained their positions didnt run away they just at verdun refused to obey the suicidal tactics of generals miles from the front who had no idea of the situation.sending wave after wave of men against a heavily fortified position across half a mile or more of rough open ground was slaughter.

​@@mikekemp9877Yep, took them ages to actually change tactics as well. It was basically mass murder, shameful period of history. Young men were also executed as deserters, even under age kids that lied about their age at recruitment. Horrible.

@@phillawrence5148 Yeah which make you realize if it not for the British to back them up. I doubt they can last long enough against the German. Honestly the German could easily hold the Western Front. While they focused on the Eastern Front better by knocking Russia out first. No need for going through Belgium and to get the British involved.

Most of italy's problems were a result of Luigi Cadorna, Once he was replaced by Armando Diaz Italy knocked Austria-Hungary out of the war very quickly, and Armando Diaz was considered to be one of the best generals of world war 1. Arguably, They outperformed the ottomans and Austro-Hungarians throughout the war.

@@thedon9247 Cardorna was replaced after the Battle of Caporetto where the Germans and Austrians used blitzkrieg tactics (without the tanks and aircraft). Sadly for them (though happily for the Italians) they ran out of steam just as British and French reinforcements arrived. These reinforcements and the exhausted state of the German and Austrian troops allowed Diaz to stabilise his front on the Piave. A year later he was able to counterattack. Away from the mountains which had been their main defensive strength, weaker than before and without their German allies who were now being committed to the Kaiserschlacht the Austrians were easily pushed back and within a few months had lost all they gained a year earlier and sued for peace.

@@thedon9247 By the time Diaz showed up, the Austro-Hungarian Empire had already collapsed. Easy to win if the enemy is already in shambles.

@@thedon9247 He certainly didn't surpass a few of the Ottoman commanders. Ottoman army was in poor shape but they were led much better than Austrians and Italians with the exception of Enver Pasha who caused 90.000 men to freeze in caucus mountains.

Armando Diaz surpassed the ottomans quite significantly, and was on par with ataturk and the other "top" generals. The ottomans were very poorly led during most of their battles and this is heavily reflected by the fact that without ataturk the ottomans likely would have capitulated far sooner. Most of the successes of the ottoman war effort was overseen by a German General also, so I'm not sure where you're coming up with this. If you're talking about ataturk, then yes, he was a very competent general. But he was one of very few among the ottomans. If you don't believe me, perhaps you'll believe encyclopedia Britannica and Wikipedia which both agree Diaz was one of world War 1s most talented and skilled generals.

Or at least a dirty "business"... but certainly see his point.

WW1 was brutal for soldiers who participated. WW2 didn't make any seperation between civilians and soldiers. Any large scale war in future will even be more brutal.

The main horror thats really had to convey would be artillery and high explosives that would be doing most of the killing, most of these movies from the time period always show machine gun slaughter cause its just easier to film.

You mean medieval mentality from the officers clashing with modern technology...

I have read that battlefield medicine at the beginning of WWI was roughly equivalent to battlefield medicine in the Civil War, but with a few improvements. The ideas of anaesthetic and aseptic surgery were already known but not yet fully developed. A lot of the development came throughout WWI. That's always blown my mind how fxcked you likely were during WWI if you got any significant wounds.

medieval technology lol, are you American or something

This armour design was real (ish) but it was American and never saw combat. The Brewster body shield was a much sturdier construction than you see here, and could stop rifle fire. Of course it weighed 18kg, and you couldn't see very well. Full coverage was not required. It's designed to save your life and make you harder to kill, not make you invincible.

Back then, they weren't thinking of those things like we do now. WWI was hell of a war, the combination of old and modern warfare.

Because it never happened. Its from a fictive book, not a history book.

@@kirgan1000 The Arditi DID wear body armour, but not like this one.

My man i though the same, what the hail are these steel scuba 🤣

My thoughts also, maybe on Skaro before Daleks were released.

I... WAITED...

Cybermen

not really real in terms of use. Italians had a kind of armor for sentry duty, but it didn't look like that. It wasn't effective enough to keeo using, but it did not look like Doctor Who armor.

Hah, every conflict in the Middle East and Jerusalem laughs 😂

Also, every Eastern Europen post Soviet Union

All wars are pointless

@@nicholasmuro1742all wars have a point. It usually just isn’t worth the trouble that entails.

@@ryv2484 A point for who? Vietnam was to stop the expansion of communism. Protect the democratic way of life. USA lost. Vietnam became united. Nothing changed here. What was the point?

Why? I think the knights didn't look much strange.

that was an unused model I looked it up and the armor they did wear was much more familiar looking, like a simple made late renaissance armor, a proper helmet with I think a visor? and a chest plate, that's it, not...w.e the f this comedic armor is.

@@BringDHouseDown It wouldn't have mattered what armor they used. The way they just marched out it would've ended the same. And the Roman legions wore less armor than what was shown here or what you described. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there were any armored up charges in WWI. The armor used there was strictly defensive. And you right, the armor shown here does look like something out of Looney Tunes.

Name checks out when you said "soda can brigade".

Soda can brigade 🤣

Came to this clip right after watching Monty Python's killer joke sketch. This one seemed to start out in the same vein.

Ukraine is getting there. Trench warfare, huge losses for an advance that gains no territory. It is truly horrible

Same here it looked like a skit

Well right now what is happening in Donbass region of Ukraine is pretty much like WW1 from a front line soldier's POV.

Isn't the word facina just related the word face or wall in engineering etc?

@nickthorp6361 Fasces were ceremonial weapons carried by lictors, the bodyguards of ancient Roman officials. They were bundles of sticks. When leading an army (or when a dictatorship was proclaimed) axes would be affixed to the bundle of sticks, to signify that the official in question was exercising military authority. In the 1910s, the term “fascio” came to be used to refer to trade unions, and Mussolini, being a socialist, brought the term with him when he founded his fascist party as a nationalist alternative to internationalist communism and liberal capitalism.

Human shields.

id say humanity

I think you’re right

yea Luigi Cadorna was kinda bad at doing war

The Italian / Austrian theatre was very mountainous and even small artillery pieces were hard to get into position

Almous every war (exludeing Crusades).

@@dominiknycz7912History facts : 4th Crusade , instead of going to jerusalem , they went to Constantinople and massacred 30000 christians , childrens and women and burn all churches all way long !!!

its hard to imagine humanity will never see this stuff again. It'll be very dangerous in the future when these wars are forgotten and what they did to us

Not exact .Germany exctually didn't get bad end of ww1.yes the payout was huge but land wise they got good deal

​@@wingedhussar1453east prussia was literallly split from the rest of Germany. In what world is that good?

@@croatianwarmaster7872 prussua never was Germany it was a crusader state

Which battle of the Isonzo is this? Answer "yes".

Hmm I think we have the men for another

I think this is the 23rd, but im not sure, it could be the 45th

The wire is closer to the germans which, I suppose? Lots of areas in ww1 where the wire wasnt as layered as we are used to from France.

There is no way in hell an armor like that would stop a full caliber rifle bullet from WW1.

@@giovannipiacen85 Actually the armor this is based on did in fact stop rifle bullets. The actual Italian army wasn't meant to stop machine gun or rifle rounds but mostly sharpnell, debris, barbed wire and grazing shots. The event in the film probably never happened since there's no evidence and the Armored soldiers were engineers meant to clear the way before the actual assault.

@@Umcarasemvideo you need around 25 mm thick steel plates to stop a .308. An armor like that would weigh more than 100 kg, so I strongly doubt it could stop anything more than pistol caliber rounds realistically.

@@giovannipiacen85 .308 Isn't the only rifle round there is and this was WWI. It stopped a .303 not a .308.

This is WW1

Not really, pretty much every attack was a planned offensive. Just that both sides couldn't break through each other defenses without an insane amount of men and munitions expended.

these are Italians

was thinking the exact same thing, so glad another Aussie saw ned kelly in these italians

I saw Ned right away...

@@harryholden795 apologies to the French...bonkers Italian military..E...

I think Ned’s rig was better, heavier steel with a groin plate

Запомни эти Слова ....!!! Нельзя с начала убивать потом шептать - Я не нарочно !! Нельзя всё время предавать , потом молить - Исправлюсь Точно ! Нельзя сначала принижать потом просить - Прости за шутку ! Нельзя трусливо убегать сказав - Я на минутку ! Нельзя вернувшись сделать вид что всё как прежде остаётся ! Ведь жизнь на месте не стоит ! За всё .. Всегда .. Платить Придётся !!

Same as muscovites today. Dying for nothing in a foreign land.

@@croatianwarmaster7872 Im Krieg geben Politiker Munition, die Reichen Essen und die Armen ihre Kinder. Wenn der Krieg endet, geben sich Politiker die Hand, die Reichen erhöhen die Lebensmittelpreise und die Armen suchen nach den Gräbern ihrer Kinder.“ - Serbisches Sprichwort

@@croatianwarmaster7872 They were zombied. Propaganda plus dictatorship. Psychology, psychotronic weapons, fear. Many of them seriously believe that they are fighting for good. But Lord, your fellow Russians were killed by you in Mariupol, a hundred thousand civilians were killed by crazy people.

During middle ages and Renaissance, Venetians and Genovese often hold back Ottomans. They just collapsed since modern era, because of their desunion and having missed the industrial revolution.

And looking for a Pack of Trojans

I'd say it was one of the worst front s in the whole war

Still nothing compare to the Doiran heights at Salonika Front which is FAR WORSE than the Italian front. 220,000 Entente soldiers tried to climb that damn height for 4 years and they never made it until the Bulgarian surrender.

I'd say Stalingrad was the height of brutality, but the Great War sure deserves the second place.

Because shields wouldn't do anything against 7.62 rounds and be even more cumbersome. It was hoped they would cut the wire and clear wider paths for troops to cross. Now weapons because they couldn't see and had little arm movement

Modern-day bullet resistant ceramics wouldn't exist for another half century, and Kevlar would be a decade or more after.

@jamalwilburn228 So if a shield wouldn't stop projectiles, then why would this? I don't think a shield would be more cumbersome. At least you could discard it. Again, if it was too cumbersome and poor visibility to wield a weapon, what's the point?

@jamalwilburn228 I'm not talking about modern body armor. If these suits were thought to work prior to the battle, why not make a shield of the same material?

@nicholasmuro1742 Desperation and false hope. They were sending thousands to their death and hoped maybe these would work. Even when if didn't, they still ordered the attack.

Thats what old men want gullible kids to think.

Probably worked on small calibers like pistols and smg but not rifles and MGs

@@guts-141 I was about to say the same thing. Smokeless powder was still fairly new and people didn't yet understand there was a dramatic difference between a full size rifle round and a slower pistol round.

@@austinhuber3131 I'd wager that the movie scene being slightly innacurate and the actual attack having a more nuanced, albeit unworkable concept, rather than the people making the armor didn't know how how their own bloody guns worked.

This armor is based on the Brewster armor which was a real thing that Americans developed. The Italians never used it though since they had their own lighter body armors. It was tested and could actually stop full sized rifle rounds but it was really heavy and unwieldy, so I can't find anything about it ever being used in the field.

Austro Hungarian Empire.

Both some german units have fought with austrians

😂😂😂

@@borisbejarano6408 What's so funny?

From 1917 onwards, both.